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Background

Unlike the current rush by a multitude of nations to build larger, slower vessels, the Imperial Navy of Tyrandis focuses primarily around fleets of Ekranoplans. This allows Tyrandis's seaborne forces to be more flexible and swift when dealing with threats and targets.

Ekranoplans are somewhat of a cross between aircraft and ship; they utilize the phenomenon of ground effect to fly.

Because the ekranoplan does not suffer any drag from the water, this allows them to operate at phenomenal speeds over 10x as fast as traditional warships.

The latest offering from Tyrandis Military Systems is the Aquadragon-class Anti-Shipping Ekranoplan, designed to annihilate any vessel on the high seas.

Technical Stats

Dimensions:
Length: 300 feet
Wingspan: 168 feet
Height: 70 feet
Powerplant: 8x Paladin turbofans, rated @ 48,000 lbs thrust each
Speed: 450 mph cruise, 520 max
Range: 3,000 miles
Max ceiling (Yes, it does have a ceiling): 28,000 ft
Weight: 1,125,000 lbs
Weapons:
30x SA-N-10 "Sea Grouse" AA missile
40x SS-N-19 "Shipwreck" AS missile
4x Mauser 27mm cannon

Images

http://www.globalaircraft.org/photos/planephotos/lun_ekran4.jpg
http://www.globalaircraft.org/photos/planephotos/lun_ekran3.jpg
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Price
350 million USD. Discounts for allies (NATO, ANP members)

OOC: Hey, it's not the size, it's how you use it. Besides, I figure that this would be a switch from the current trend of building massive, overly large battleships.

UPDATE:

The Aquadragon-B has been released for export. Combining the extreme speed of the original and a new adapted SS-N-26 Yakhont launcher, the Type B is an improvement in every single department over the original.

Dimensions:
Length: 320 feet
Wingspan: 168 feet
Height: 70 feet
Powerplant: 8x Crusader turbofans, rated @ 50,250 lbs thrust each
Speed: 470 mph cruise, 560 max
Range: 3,300 mi
Max ceiling (Yes, it does have a ceiling): 28,000 ft
Weight: 1,222,000 lbs
Weapons:
38x SA-N-10 "Sea Grouse" AA missile
35x SS-N-26 "Yakhont" AS missile
4x Mauser 27mm cannon

Price: 375 million USD

We'll get 2 for trial runs. US$700million wired upon confirmation. How well armored is your Ekranoplan?

-Fleet Admiral Masato Storm

We will take 10 and if possible five that have been converted into troop transports for raiding missions.

Orders confirmed -

The Aquadragon has about 12 inches of titanium incased armor with 3.5 inches of composite RAM around; it has slightly less around the missile launchers.

It's not as well armored as a standard warship, but weight had to be reduced for the ekranoplan's ability to fly.

We are planning on releasing a version of the Aquadragon as a modified troop carrier; however, it's still in testing phases.

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The Evil Empire of Akaton will be interested in purchasing three modified transport versions once they become available. For the time being, you may wish to contact the Ant-Doujin Pact. They may purchase large numbers of missile launching Ekranoplanes for a missile saturation attack on a Doujin.

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Need to look into this one's feasibility, then usefulness in my waters.

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Orders confirmed -
The Aquadragon has about 18 inches of titanium incased armor with 5.5 inches of composite RAM around; it has slightly less around the missile launchers.


Would you mind telling me how you generate the thrust to keep a vechile with that kind of armor above the water? Not a flame, just a question.

Would you mind telling me how you generate the thrust to keep a vechile with that kind of armor above the water? Not a flame, just a question.

DOH... not 18 w/ 5.5 in... meant to say 12 w/ 3.5 in. I really need to reread my posts more often.

Other than that, the first Ekranoplan ever built (Caspian Sea Monster) had 15 in armor if I remember correctly, and it had the same 8 engine config as mine.

Ok, sorry about that :)

OOC How many crew required?

*gags* yours are selling! Damn you all!

Anyway, nice work. I concede to you. The first to actually manage to shift Ekranoplans. The worlds greatest invention*, sorely un-used.
Heh, my tartaros class was/is similar to this, except with main guns, and not missiles.



*may not actually be the greatest invention. But very nice.

OOC How many crew required?

Nine.

*gags* yours are selling! Damn you all!

Anyway, nice work. I concede to you. The first to actually manage to shift Ekranoplans. The worlds greatest invention*, sorely un-used.
Heh, my tartaros class was/is similar to this, except with main guns, and not missiles.



*may not actually be the greatest invention. But very nice.

I don't like main guns on an Ekranoplan, considering that the recoil would suck arse. But other than that, Ekranoplans are the greatest naval invention evar...

Fast swarms of these > Doujins :D

I was thinking about making something simular, but it could also submerg to create less a target. BTW, nice pics. TAG to see if this is possable (which from what I see it can if enough money is put into it)

Fast swarms of these > Doujins :D

If you can fire enough missiles. With all the CIWS's on the Doujins and the surrounding fleet you'll be luck if 10 out of 200 missiles get in. And even then, the missiles will only do minor superficial damage to the Doujin's armor.

Nine.

I don't like main guns on an Ekranoplan, considering that the recoil would suck arse. But other than that, Ekranoplans are the greatest naval invention evar...

Fast swarms of these > Doujins :D

Railguns lack recoil. ETGs would have recoil to a point.

If you can fire enough missiles. With all the CIWS's on the Doujins and the surrounding fleet you'll be luck if 10 out of 200 missiles get in. And even then, the missiles will only do minor superficial damage to the Doujin's armor.

I was talking about using a swarm of these against a Doujin toe-to-toe. Considering that they cost a measly 350 mil each vs 250 bn, I end up with around 700 vs one superbattleship.

I doubt a Doujin is capable of withstanding 28,000 SS-N-19s.

If you can fire enough missiles. With all the CIWS's on the Doujins and the surrounding fleet you'll be luck if 10 out of 200 missiles get in. And even then, the missiles will only do minor superficial damage to the Doujin's armor.

Alright, consider the Ekranoplan against 1 Doujin

Ekranoplan costs $350 million and has a crew of 9.
Doujin costs $250 Billion and has a crew of 6250 +1000 troops + 160 planes worth of flight crew (call it 3 per avg so 480 pilots) = 7730

If I spend $250 billion, I get one Doujin, no planes - or 714 Ekranoplans.
714 Ekranoplans need a total crew of 6426 vs Doujin's 6250/7730.
Total missiles would be 28560 on the Ekranoplans. The Doujin carries 48 Antiship missiles and 80 torpedoes.

Granted, the Doujin has superior firepower overall - but the main guns are useless on Ekranoplans (they cannot track that fast), so that slows it's overall ability.

28560 missiles fired at a Doujin would sink it. If I was planning for anti-Doujin ops, I completely get rid of the AA missiles and replace with all Antishipping, meaning each fires 70 missiles, not 40. This increases the total to 49980 missiles fired at the Doujin, massive overkill.

Ekranoplan losses could be renewed inside a year, Doujins take 30 to make.

Yes, I discounted the surrounding fleet because Ekranoplans are SO CHEAP! Each additional would mean more missiles coming in which would sink each ship in turn - remember, for a billion, I can get 3 of these, which means 120 missiles at the target. Equal spending, and the Ekranoplans would destroy the fleet - with massive losses, but who cares because they can be swiftly replaced where the Doujin fleet will need decades to come back.

If you can fire enough missiles. With all the CIWS's on the Doujins and the surrounding fleet you'll be luck if 10 out of 200 missiles get in. And even then, the missiles will only do minor superficial damage to the Doujin's armor.

Ignoring the outer fleet again (remember, they're all sunk by the first wave of missiles from the first swarm of Ekranoplans, which all get sunk in turn), you fire 28560 missiles.

Lets take your numbers and say 5% hit (absurdly low) = 1428 impacts.
Doujin sinks.

Remove outer fleet protection, using only the Doujin's antimissile defenses, lets say 40% impacts. Thats 11424 impacts. Again, Doujin sinks.

^^^^what he said :D

We believe we shall begin with a purchase of 100 Ekranoplans, but with some modifications, owing to conditions:

-installation of MIDAS ice detection suite, or better.
-modified for subarctic operation, including superior de-icers and redundant heater units for crew.
-the Mauser 27mm cannons to be modularly installed.

We also must request a five year "you break it, we fix it" clause in the contract, barring damage due to conflict.

It will be our pleasure to wire 35 billion USD to you for this purchase. It may amuse you to know that was our entire ship purchasing budget for this fiscal year, so confident are we in your offering.

Prosperity and Peace,

Namaste,
Sultan Sinjin Lefkowitz al-Din

We believe we shall begin with a purchase of 100 Ekranoplans, but with some modifications, owing to conditions:

-installation of MIDAS ice detection suite, or better.
-modified for subarctic operation, including superior de-icers and redundant heater units for crew.
-the Mauser 27mm cannons to be modularly installed.

We also must request a five year "you break it, we fix it" clause in the contract, barring damage due to conflict.

It will be our pleasure to wire 35 billion USD to you for this purchase. It may amuse you to know that was our entire ship purchasing budget for this fiscal year, so confident are we in your offering.

Prosperity and Peace,

Namaste,
Sultan Sinjin Lefkowitz al-Din

OOC: A sultan in a frozen climate? lol

IC:

The modifications you requested will take an extra two weeks total for the Ekranoplan's production.

All 100 will arrive within 5 NS months. On the 3rd of every month, twenty Ekranoplans will be shipped to Vastiva.

28000 feet is very high for a GEV...

Hes got multiple doujins

I would like 10,000. 3,500,000,000,000 USD will be wired on confirmation.

28000 feet is very high for a GEV...

OOC: True, but my powerplant is much more powerful than the earlier Ekranoplans by the Russians, and the max ceiling is just that a max. You wouldn't operate it there for very long, because you'd end up running out of fuel to sustain that flight.

Hes got multiple doujins

OOC: So? I've got multiple Aquadragons. It all balances out in the end. Either way, swarms of these pwn any super dreadnought anyone can build.

I would like 10,000. 3,500,000,000,000 USD will be wired on confirmation.
OOC: You're spending 1/3 of your defense budget for these things, you know. I take it you won't be purchasing anything new for awhile.

IC: Order confirmed, although it will take at least 41 years to complete. Every 3rd of every month, 20 Aquadragons will be delivered to JJR.

Hes got multiple doujins

My, but you do love waving your ego. Or rather, riding on his ego. Why would you believe anyone cares?

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OOC: You're spending 1/3 of your defense budget for these things, you know. I take it you won't be purchasing anything new for awhile.[QUOTE]

OOC: I know. While, not QUITE 1/3. I have 14 trillion and a couple hundred billion to spend.

I have one issue:

As far as I know, the Shipwreck is a somewhat large missile, so I don't think you'd be able to fit 40 on there.

But otherwise, that's a nice ship. I think I'll buy 10.

*Money wired*

Order confirmed, and they will arrive within the month.

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OOC: A sultan in a frozen climate? lol

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341045&page=2&pp=15

Nations history is a bit down the page. So, yep, Sultan in a frozen climate. Would you believe a good portion of my population is Jewish as well?

I'll take 10, 4.5 billion wired upon confirmation.

Don't you mean 3.5 bn? Either way, order confirmed.

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We believe we shall begin with a purchase of 100 Ekranoplans, but with some modifications, owing to conditions:

-installation of MIDAS ice detection suite, or better.
-modified for subarctic operation, including superior de-icers and redundant heater units for crew.
-the Mauser 27mm cannons to be modularly installed.

We also must request a five year "you break it, we fix it" clause in the contract, barring damage due to conflict.

It will be our pleasure to wire 35 billion USD to you for this purchase. It may amuse you to know that was our entire ship purchasing budget for this fiscal year, so confident are we in your offering.

Prosperity and Peace,

Namaste,
Sultan Sinjin Lefkowitz al-Din

Send 100 more soonest, modified as above.

35 Billion USD wired on confirmation.

We give our formal endorsement to this vessel, most certainly an equalizer for the smaller nation.

Sultan Sinjin Lefkowitz al-Din

The Great Armed Republic of Nutropinia is Interested in Buying ONE Ekranoplan for sneak attacks and raids. 350 Million Dollars Will Be Wired Upon Confirmation.

Dictator Silver of Nutropinia would like to know when he will recieve his Ekranoplan.

If possible the Great Armed states of Nutropinia would like to increase their order to 6 Ekranoplans. This comes to a total of 2.1 Billion Dollars.

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because, mostly, wanna buy more!

OOC: So? I've got multiple Aquadragons. It all balances out in the end. Either way, swarms of these pwn any super dreadnought anyone can build.

ooc: Ah yes, but Doujins + swarms of these = my fleet kicking ass.

I believe I'll order some when it's not 6am here.

All orders have been shipped.

OOC: I was away on vacation. Sorry about that :D

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An ASW version of the ekranoplan saught. We can now kick most fleets out of our waters with sheer missile power, but something that can hunt and kill subs (and avoid torpedoes heh) would be appreciated.

I will purchase two Aquadragon AS Ekranoplan's for a total of $700,000,000 has been sent to your account.

Order confirmed.

Vastiva: We are currently adapting an Ekranoplan design for ASW purposes, but the weapons system (guided torpedoes) is proving extremely problematic to implement.

The Imperium is wishes to buy the production right at 1 trillion USDs(this is goana sink my budget) If not we wish to buy a hundred of them

*Money wired upon confirmation*

Order confirmed.

Vastiva: We are currently adapting an Ekranoplan design for ASW purposes, but the weapons system (guided torpedoes) is proving extremely problematic to implement.
OOC: how many types of Ekranoplanes do you have in total? may think about buying about 1000 or so of these... and can these be launched from Amphib assault ships?

The Imperium is wishes to buy the production right at 1 trillion USDs(this is goana sink my budget) If not we wish to buy a hundred of them

*Money wired upon confirmation*


OOC: how many types of Ekranoplanes do you have in total? may think about buying about 1000 or so of these... and can these be launched from Amphib assault ships?

OOC: I have several types (logistics, combat, transport), and they can't be launched from amphibious assault ships, due to their size. I mean, it's really a cross between a boat and a plane. Only selling the Aquadragon for now though.

The Imperium is wishes to buy the production right at 1 trillion USDs(this is goana sink my budget) If not we wish to buy a hundred of them

*Money wired upon confirmation*

We cannot sell production rights, for security reasons, but your order has been confirmed.

I would like 15 normal aquadragons and 6 modified to transport troops.

7 billion wired on confirmation.

I would like 15 normal aquadragons and 6 modified to transport troops.

7 billion wired on confirmation.

Order confirmed. Note that the troop transport version has only two Mauser 27mm cannons and an AA launcher for protection. It also carries up to 35 soldiers, with equipment.

Nutropinia Would Like to Buy 4 Transport Version Ekranoplans for 1.4 Billion Dollars.

minor bump.

Vastiva is curious if you ever finished an ASW version.

Vastiva is curious if you ever finished an ASW version.

We are currently in the midst of trials of the Wolfeater-class, and will alert you as soon as it passes our rigorous standard of quality.

OOC: I haven't had time to type up the dimensions and systems info on it. I'll probably update later this vacation week, soon as I finish my HW.

OOC: Saw a episode on discovery about these planes. Looked rather neat.
Official Communique from Hardheads M.O.D.
We would like to aquire 5 of these Ekranoplan's for testing. With the possibility of aquirering more later.
*the amount of 1,85 billion $ will be wired as soon as the order is confirmed*
OOC: Just to clarify I meant the standard, anti ship version.

Your order has been cleared, and production is currently underway.

*the money has been wired*
Certainly looks impressive enough on paper. Is it possible to get some information about these being used in actual combat?

*the money has been wired*
Certainly looks impressive enough on paper. Is it possible to get some information about these being used in actual combat?

Well... perhaps the history of the Aquadragon in its engagements should be noted:

1. War against Colodia in Russia:
Two hundred type A Aquadragons with AWACS support sunk three full Colodian fleets during an intervention against Colodia's attempted invasion of Russia.

2. Defense of Tyrandis against Huzen Hagen:
One hundred and fifty type A and fifty type B Aquadragons with AWACS support managed to destroy a huge HH amphibious assault force during the desperate naval conflict between Tyrandis and Huzen Hagen.

3. The Invasion of the Democratic Republic of the Congo:
Two hundred type C (the newest version, which uses a proprietary modified SS-N-26 missile. Not for sale.) Aquadragons managed to sink a number of minor vessels (Destroyers, Frigates, Oilers, etc.) and one Nimitz-class nuclear carrier.

To: Tyrandis
From: Invincible Empire of Roach-Busters Department of War

We would like to purchase 1,000 of them, for a total of 375 billion USD. Money will be wired upon confirmation. Thank you very much.

-Secretary of War Lester Lindsey

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OOC: Assuming you'd like the B variant.

IC:

Order has been confirmed, although such a massive delivery will require at least two decades to complete. We assume that you will be paying in installments of 375 million for each one delivered.

OOC: Assuming you'd like the B variant.

IC:

Order has been confirmed, although such a massive delivery will require at least two decades to complete. We assume that you will be paying in installments of 375 million for each one delivered.

OOC: Correct.

IC: Affirmative. Money has been wired. Thanks!

2. Defense of Tyrandis against Huzen Hagen:
One hundred and fifty type A and fifty type B Aquadragons with AWACS support managed to destroy a huge HH amphibious assault force during the desperate naval conflict between Tyrandis and Huzen Hagen.

ahahahahahahahahaha, for one i was kind not to ignore those. You destroyed nothing (if you re-read the thread you will find you asked not to be invaded and so the rp stopped), for anyone reading this thread all you need to defend against these is some type 45's. The missiles these fire are so huge they are easy game for aster missiles