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The Nycton-Class Nuclear Missile Guided-Battleship offers a rival for the Doujin-Class
Super-Dreadnought. The hull and superstructure have been designed to minimize the radar
cross section, with features including the use of radar absorbent material and angled sides
to reduce the return signal to hostile radar. There is virtually no Right-Angle on the ship.
The Carbon-Fibre and Composite RAM will allow it to absorb radar and sonar waves.
There are 3 Belts on it, so if a a large hole would be shot through her, she would be able to
limp home. Inbetween each 'Belt' and the Hull connecting to the Bulkheads, there are massive
springs, the same ones used by Nuclear-Bunkers to absorb shock. The springs are covored by
non-flamable rubbery sealant which will disallow any fire to burn on the ship. Nycton-Class
Battleships were built to take premptive hits.
The TERAIS (Target, Engage, Reload, Artificial Intelligence System) is a Artificial Intelligence
system eliminating human's from physicaly reloading, targeting and firing. This same system is
used in the X1a2 Achilles. In the bridge, 1,700 targets can be tracked up to 1,000 miles away,
evaluate the threat posed by each. The AI will present the
best options of what weapons to use, the crew will pick, and the ship will engage.
Nycton-Class Battleships will have NBC, and could survive a Nearby-Nuclear Blast, but would have
to sustain repairs afterwords. Other classified advanced systems she will apply are Sonar, GPS,
Night Vision, Heat Sensory, and Radar Jamming.

Model: BBNG-774 Class Battleship (Nycton-Class)
Type: Battleship, Nuclear Powered, Guided Missile
Crew: 5,010 (4,070 Crewman, 401 Officers, 500 Marines)
Cost: 322 Billion

Displacement:
Empty: 1,755,000 tons
Full: 2,162,000 tons

Dimensions:
Length: 3364.6 ft
Width: 799.8 ft
Dought: 92 ft (Empty), 114 ft (Full)

Armament:
20 x 32" Electro-Thermal Naval Guns
12 x 10" Electro-Thermal Naval Guns
30 x 5" Electro-Thermal Naval Guns
160 x 40mm Guided Cannon Systems
34 x 20mm Mk 15 Phalanx CIWS
30 x RIM-116 Rolling Air-Frame Missile (RAM) Launcher (10 Missile Each)
72 x AGM-84 Harpoon / Harpoon Block II Anti-Ship Missiles
56 x Tomahawk Cruise Missile
4 x Depth Charge Launchers

Armor:
Outside HP Belt: 28" Titanium incased Steel Armor, 4" Composite RAM, .5" Carbon-Fibre
Outside LP Belt: 22" Titanium incased Steel Armor, 3" Composite RAM, .5" Carbon-Fibre
Middle HP Belt: 20" Titanium incased Steel Armor, 2" Composite RAM
Middle LP Belt: 14" Titanium incased Steel Armor, 1" Composite RAM
Inside Belt: 12" Depleted uranium/titanium incased steel armour
Bulkheads/Deck/Overhead: 10" Reinforced Steel Armor
Main Turrets: 10"-18", 5" Composite RAM, 2" Carbon-Fibre
Barbettes: 18" Titanium incased Steel Armor, 4" Composite RAM, 2" Carbon-Fibre
Secondary Turrets: 4" Titanium incased Steel Armor, 6" Composite RAM, 2" Carbon-Fibre

Performance:
Designed Speed: 34 kts
Trial Speed:

Powerplant: 5 Navistan X3W Nuclear Reactors
Propulsion: 12 Shaft Geared Turbines

Aircraft:
VF-99 VTOL Fighter: 20

IC: Contracts for this ship is currently closed. We have a couple handpicked countries that we will offer a contract too.

And at your age and size you made this how? I'm just wondering. And strangly, they cost more than my Terracostes do. Hmmmmmm.

If you check, i'm slightly smaller than Doujin. If you accuse me godmodding, i guess he is too. My defense budget is 9 trill, his is 3.

OOC: -sighs- you guys will never learn... I would like to see Doujin's battleship take thirty to forty SS-N-19 anti-ship missiles with scramjet propulsion from a single submarine. With ample stealth technology Doujin would need to be within 27km to detect my subs with SONAR. That's what you need, not a big piece of dreadnaught behemoth crap - no offense.

[I believe a Doujin has taken forty missiles in combat and only had the primary radar mast collapse, and I suspect that that was pure luck. And I'm curious as to how you came up with that number for detection range, not all sonar is made equal after all and somehow I doubt that Doujin is going to install run-of-the-mill sonar in his top-of-the-line ships.]

[I believe a Doujin has taken forty missiles in combat and only had the primary radar mast collapse, and I suspect that that was pure luck. And I'm curious as to how you came up with that number for detection range, not all sonar is made equal after all and somehow I doubt that Doujin is going to install run-of-the-mill sonar in his top-of-the-line ships.]

OOC:

You're talking about tracking a surface fleet - which top range is about 700km - tracking a submarine IS MUCH DIFFERENT. If you want some proof talk to Artitsa and Iron Blood - both experts in modern armaments.

Yea, the missiles may be able to take out an American missile, or a normal SS-N- 19..but with scramjet my SS-Ns would be too fast, simply put..and I could just use a sea skimming Principe III (my creation...better than the Yahkont) which anti-missiles can't even touch.

What I want to know is how the heck the Doujin could take on missiles coming on at 6,000 at once while my Hydroskipper Anti-Ship missiles are breaking the sound barrier hitting the other ships. (Then another 1 1/2 or 2 minutes later, another barrage of 6,000 missiles coming in)

Also, the SS-N-19 has a range of over 250kms while my Principe III has a range of over 500kms and reaches the attack stage at 200kms range of the enemy.

What I want to know is how the heck the Doujin could take on missiles coming on at 6,000 at once while my Hydroskipper Anti-Ship missiles are breaking the sound barrier hitting the other ships. (Then another 1 1/2 or 2 minutes later, another barrage of 6,000 missiles coming in)

Because he's a godmodder? You have to argue with people like that - sometimes you win, sometimes you dont..next time, use big words to impress him.

Look another one...whooopdi doooo!

Because he's a godmodder? You have to argue with people like that - sometimes you win, sometimes you dont..next time, use big words to impress him.
Agreed. I believe that I'll start charging my I.G.N.O.R.E cannon right now until it's needed.

[Actually, I'm talking about tracking a sub. My subs probably have the most extensive stealth measures of any sub below the 2020 tech line and even I don't have the audacity to claim that I can maneuver my subs with 27km of a fleet capship and then fire missiles without having that sub destroyed almost immediately. If there's a Doujin in your fleet, then then every ship in that fleet had better have active sonar/lidar all the time.

And I don't believe I was talking about counter-missiles, I recall saying that a Doujin has been hit with 40 ASMs and survived with only moderate damage. What propulsion system your missiles have is irrelevent, the fact is is that a Doujin can survive such a salvo.]

OOC:

You're talking about tracking a surface fleet - which top range is about 700km - tracking a submarine IS MUCH DIFFERENT. If you want some proof talk to Artitsa and Iron Blood - both experts in modern armaments.

Yea, the missiles may be able to take out an American missile, or a normal SS-N- 19..but with scramjet my SS-Ns would be too fast, simply put..and I could just use a sea skimming Principe III (my creation...better than the Yahkont) which anti-missiles can't even touch.

Iron Blood is 15 years old, hardly an expert - Artitsa is 17, again - hardly an expert.. not saying that their age has a major effect, but they've both proven in the past that they are hardly experts.. Freethinkers, Clan Smoke Jaguar, and Western Asia are more the standard when it comes to naval weapons and technology.

From now on all these wannabes and uber-bb's just get slapped with the ignore because this will not be the next Nation-States FAD as long as I can help it.

[Actually, I'm talking about tracking a sub. My subs probably have the most extensive stealth measures of any sub below the 2020 tech line and even I don't have the audacity to claim that I can maneuver my subs with 27km of a fleet capship and then fire missiles without having that sub destroyed almost immediately. If there's a Doujin in your fleet, then then every ship in that fleet had better have active sonar/lidar all the time.

And I don't believe I was talking about counter-missiles, I recall saying that a Doujin has been hit with 40 ASMs and survived with only moderate damage. What propulsion system your missiles have is irrelevent, the fact is is that a Doujin can survive such a salvo.]

OOC: I doubt he can survive a Principe III with a OctaNitroCubane warhead going at Mach 6 hitting right through his double hull, while another 40 hit elsewhere... his ship would capsize in minutes. What Doujin does is godmod.

If you want a REAL expert talk to Agrigento - one of the best RPers, right on top with Tahar Joblis.

Iron Blood is 15 years old, hardly an expert - Artitsa is 17, again - hardly an expert.. not saying that their age has a major effect, but they've both proven in the past that they are hardly experts.. Freethinkers, Clan Smoke Jaguar, and Western Asia are more the standard when it comes to naval weapons and technology.
1) You're being agist even if you say you're not.
2) Just because they're your allies doesn't mean they're the best.
3) You really need to stop defending yourself so much and getting into the godmodding part. You're losing a lot of respect from a lot of people.

*Fires I.G.N.O.R.E cannon at Doujin*

Because he's a godmodder? You have to argue with people like that - sometimes you win, sometimes you dont..next time, use big words to impress him.

I don't recall ever godmodding, and I've only been in two military engagements that I can think of, and all parties agreed that my attack and response was more than "real".

1) You're being agist even if you say you're not.
2) Just because they're your allies doesn't mean they're the best.
3) You really need to stop defending yourself so much and getting into the godmodding part. You're losing a lot of respect from a lot of people.

*Fires I.G.N.O.R.E cannon at Doujin*

Freethinkers, Clan Smoke Jaguar, and Western Asia are the people on NS that pretty much everyone agrees are the top with Naval stuff. Clan Smoke Jaguar has written all the guides and FAQs in regards to Naval Technology, and CSJ and Western Asia constantly tell people flaws and why their ship wouldn't work - and every time they give all the reasons, and not just say "godmod" and move on.

OOC: I doubt he can survive a Principe III with a OctaNitroCubane warhead going at Mach 6 hitting right through his double hull, while another 40 hit elsewhere... his ship would capsize in minutes. What Doujin does is godmod.

If you want a REAL expert talk to Agrigento - one of the best RPers, right on top with Tahar Joblis.

You know nothing about the Doujin's armor arrangement, therefor you cannot say that my ship would capsize in minutes.

I don't recall ever godmodding, and I've only been in two military engagements that I can think of, and all parties agreed that my attack and response was more than "real".

OOC: 6,000 sea skimmers do much more damage than the person said you reported. A modern anti-missile missile can't hit a sea skimmer (unless you design it to do so) and the missiles on your battleship aren't designed to complete the job.

You know nothing about the Doujin's armor arrangement, therefor you cannot say that my ship would capsize in minutes.

You obviously fail to realize what an OctaNitroCubane warhead is... or what scramjet is... that basically goes THROUGH ANYTHING..and burns up through ANYTHING...

OOC: Don't you all realise that everytime someone creates another "Super-dreadnought", Doujin is winning? He is forcing you to put your defence budget into building a counter to his ships. Your are spending trillions of dollars to counter a ship that costs 250 billion. Its crazy, and yet you all seem to be falling for it.

You obviously fail to realize that there are substances that exist now that resist anythign at high temperatures, and there are armor schemes that are there to combat kinetic kill vehicles. You are also forgetting that the Doujin has armor in excess of 30". Furthermore, you are overestimating the power of a SCRAMJet.

[First of all, good RPers do not make for experts in naval systems. Second, if you're claiming a sea skimmer can do M6 without going on a ballistic course, I'm going to call bullshit on your missile. Third, the Doujin is a trimaran, if you don't know what that means look it up. Fourth, if you knew anything about the armour scheme of the Doujin, you'd understand why I'm pretty damn unimpressed with your implications of massive KE and high explosives.

And Kamata, I am going to call bullshit on you. Not only would "hydroskipping" missiles cost millions of dollars because of the precise machining needed in the manufacturing process, but there's no way in hell you could afford to launch 12,000 of them in a single battle. I can do it, but then again my most expensive missiles costs 2 million dollars and my naval budget puts your entire military's budget to shame.]

You obviously fail to realize that there are substances that exist now that resist anythign at high temperatures, and there are armor schemes that are there to combat kinetic kill vehicles. You are also forgetting that the Doujin has armor in excess of 30". Furthermore, you are overestimating the power of a SCRAMJet.

OOC: Let me guess that you made up these "armored schemes"; the point isn't high temperature - it's the force of a missile going at Mach 6 - there's no underestimation in that - with an armored piercing warhead ... my battleships have around 24"s of armor and it isn't that great. The OctaNitroCubane comes in handy after it's gone through the armor.

Look, I know most of you are against Doujin. However, he does have MY funding and backing. Which helps a little. I'm going to reopen my Terracoste storefront soon, which is going to annoy a lot of people. Just a heads up. And Doujin, look for it after I post this. You get some free.

I dont see why soo many people are racing to make such large ships. Sure they pack a punch, and would look really intimidating, but wouldn't a well thought out and coordinated attack pretty much take one out pretty easily.

Also, I am in no way an expert in naval tech, or warfare, these are just my thinkings.

The link to the pertinant information regarding the Doujin Class Mk.2 armor scheme is in my signature. And also, SS is right - you won't get a sea-skimming missile to go at Mach 6 speeds without a balistic trajectory.

why are people trying to build big powerfull ships to take on the doujin. I got my own rivel to it that is far more pratical. Click here for more info. (http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showtopic=1055)

Just to confirm, a Doujin WOULD be destroyed if hit with one of those suborbital antifortress missiles I described in the other thread, right?

*doubts your armor could take a hit from something moving at orbital velocities*

Axis Nova

why are people trying to build big powerfull ships to take on the doujin. I got my own rivel to it that is far more pratical. Click here for more info. (http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showtopic=1055)

You are actually joking? If you even got this close enough to launch, six torpedos wouldn't sink the Doujin, assuming they all hit, plus you'd lose the submarine in the process. So you just wasted 110 men and a multi-billion dollar submarine scratching paint work? Good work that man.

Just to confirm, a Doujin WOULD be destroyed if hit with one of those suborbital antifortress missiles I described in the other thread, right?

*doubts your armor could take a hit from something moving at orbital velocities*

Axis Nova


i doubt his armor would servive if a penny fell on it from orbit.

The Doujin Class has the most powerful sonar in the world [at least we claim it, if anyone wants to dispute this fine]. When diverting all power to the active sonar arrays, firing a single pulse would travel for several miles, literally destroy all passive arrays on all allied and enemy vessels, and depending on the closeness of a submarine, has the capability of killing the crew of a large submarine if within 2-5 kilometers, and a small one if within 10.

Note: I am not the one who said this, someone conceded that fact to me.

Just to confirm, a Doujin WOULD be destroyed if hit with one of those suborbital antifortress missiles I described in the other thread, right?

[Are we talking ICBM re-entry speeds here? If so, I'd say that would seriously screw up any ship. The Doujin's resistance to KE is primarily land- and sea-based weapons.]

A penny would burn up from atmospheric friction.

Axis Nova

A penny would burn up from atmospheric friction.

Axis Nova

it was a metipor meaning just about anything falling from orbit would destroy anything in its path

You are actually joking? If you even got this close enough to launch, six torpedos wouldn't sink the Doujin, assuming they all hit, plus you'd lose the submarine in the process. So you just wasted 110 men and a multi-billion dollar submarine scratching paint work? Good work that man.

its a stelth sub the whole point of it is that it would not be picked up untill the torps are in the water and by then the enamy are to worryed about them to care about the sub giveing it time to escape

Which brings me to Rods of God, which I (and Freethinkers) have repeatedly said would hurt the Doujin - bad. You guys conveniently ignore this, though, and keep bitching and moaning. Personally, I don't care - I've been wanting to get rid of the whole super-battleship doctrine for awhile, and furthermore ive been wanting to get away from NS for awhile, but i have nothing else better to do so I am here.

its a stelth sub the whole point of it is that it would not be picked up untill the torps are in the water and by then the enamy are to worryed about them to care about the sub giveing it time to escape

I have yet to find a submarine that can become that undetectable to active sonar, passive I can believe - but when a ship goes active = when a submarine runs.

ML - Yeah, sure you could escape a 100 ship armada that would be actively pinging away to find you, which if you are running, wouldn't be that hard. Sub doesn't look that stealthy to me. Unless you sat on the sea bed and waited for the group to pass right over you, you'd be detected by the first ship to ping its sonar. And as i already said, the Doujin crew are hardly gonna be worried by six Spearfish torpedos. 600 maybe, but you dont have a hundred of these submarines.

its a stelth sub the whole point of it is that it would not be picked up untill the torps are in the water and by then the enamy are to worryed about them to care about the sub giveing it time to escape

[Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. Do you even have any how many escorts a Doujin has in my fleet or Doujin's? There are more than enough destroyers and cruisers surrounding a Doujin that even if you did manage to get in your precious sub would be mince meat in seconds. As it is, no torp is going to do anything to a Doujin except scratch its paint.]

The Doujin Class has the most powerful sonar in the world [at least we claim it, if anyone wants to dispute this fine]. When diverting all power to the active sonar arrays, firing a single pulse would travel for several miles, literally destroy all passive arrays on all allied and enemy vessels, and depending on the closeness of a submarine, has the capability of killing the crew of a large submarine if within 2-5 kilometers, and a small one if within 10.

Note: I am not the one who said this, someone conceded that fact to me.

what would be the point in using that! Anything that strong would litalrly shatter the hull of anything the sonar hits plus the hull of the ship that emitted it on the return pulse. Well not right away but it would weaken the hull structure and with constant usage it wouldn’t take long for the hull to buckle. plus it would shatter the doujin array to on the return pulse so say agian what is the point of it

[Excuse me while I laugh my ass off. Do you even have any how many escorts a Doujin has in my fleet or Doujin's? There are more than enough destroyers and cruisers surrounding a Doujin that even if you did manage to get in your precious sub would be mince meat in seconds. As it is, no torp is going to do anything to a Doujin except scratch its paint.]

it wasent desinged for the doujin i was just saying that it coul;d take it on

[Sounds only destroy things when they achieve harmony with whatever is supposed to be destroyed. Metals have high sonic resonance while sonar has low sonic resonance, no hull is ever going to be shattered by... well, anything really.]

The government of The Evil Empire of Akaton has come out with an official opinon regarding the growing threat of Doujins and other super battleships. The world is not safe so long as these devestating ships go unchallenged by conventional weapons. At the rate that battleships are expanding in size, they will soon reach a point at which nuclear weapons are the only thing able to harm them. The eventual nuclear war will devestate most of the world, killing billions of civilians. Not even my evil little nation wants a nuclear appocalypse.

I say stop the arms race here and now! Don't give in to the temptation of simply building more big ships to fight other big ships. Instead, the world must devise new weapons to advance the technology of war. Weapons such as the sea skimmer and railguns are effective, show immagination, and are more realistic.

OOC: I won't accuse anyone of godmodding, as I have seen the Doujin's stats, and it is theoretically possible to build. No offense, but the super battleships seem like a lame way to oppress smaller nations who can't afford to fight them. It looks to me like the nations in question who produce these ships just want something better than everyone else, rather than to contribute to the interestingness of the world. :headbang:

Mac, the doujin mounts an impressive sonar system. The example I gave to you weeks earlier was that of a dipped sonar on that on a smaller vessel. The Doujins sonar is HUGE and very powerful.

it wasent desinged for the doujin i was just saying that it coul;d take it on

Yep. And lose. Spectacularly quickly.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342478

Probaly the most exhaustive discussion on how to sink a Doujin that's currently available on NS . . .

it wasent desinged for the doujin i was just saying that it coul;d take it on

No, it really couldn't take the Doujin on - and no, it wouldn't do anything to the hulls of the ships[at least those in service of Doujin]. It would most certainly, though, destroy all passive sonar arrays like I said, as those are very sensitive.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342478

Probaly the most exhaustive discussion on how to sink a Doujin that's currently available on NS . . .

In all honesty, that isn't even the second. The first one I believe was 15 pages long @ 20 posts per page or something.

[Sounds only destroy things when they achieve harmony with whatever is supposed to be destroyed. Metals have high sonic resonance while sonar has low sonic resonance, no hull is ever going to be shattered by... well, anything really.]

ok fine its been to long since physics class:)

destroy all passive sonar arrays like I said, as those are very sensitive.

and it would probebly destroy yours on the return pulse

That is why I said all. I doubt you were ever in a physics class, because I doubt you've even graduated high school with your atrocious spelling.

That is why I said all. I doubt you were ever in a physics class, because I doubt you've even graduated high school with your atrocious spelling.

thats because i'm DISLEXIC!!!!

thats because i'm DISLEXIC!!!!

Oh dear, I'm sorry...

oh wait, I'm not - I don't care at all wether you suffer from dyslexia. Comes with being a cold-hearted bastard, I guess.

That is why I said all. I doubt you were ever in a physics class, because I doubt you've even graduated high school with your atrocious spelling.

Well . . . maybe he was like me and had a physics teacher who didn't bother to teach them half the curriculum that was on the regents . . .

OOC: I doubt he can survive a Principe III with a OctaNitroCubane warhead going at Mach 6 hitting right through his double hull, while another 40 hit elsewhere... his ship would capsize in minutes. What Doujin does is godmod.

If you want a REAL expert talk to Agrigento - one of the best RPers, right on top with Tahar Joblis.

ooc: Really sorry to hijack this thread a bit, but I would like to thank Macabees for the comment, that is really nice. Thank you very much for thinking so highly of me. :)

I really don't see much to add to this thread, so I will take my leave.

Note-322 Billion is the total cost for design/devopment of it. The cost to build each individual one have not been released yet.

[First of all, good RPers do not make for experts in naval systems. Second, if you're claiming a sea skimmer can do M6 without going on a ballistic course, I'm going to call bullshit on your missile. Third, the Doujin is a trimaran, if you don't know what that means look it up. Fourth, if you knew anything about the armour scheme of the Doujin, you'd understand why I'm pretty damn unimpressed with your implications of massive KE and high explosives.

And Kamata, I am going to call bullshit on you. Not only would "hydroskipping" missiles cost millions of dollars because of the precise machining needed in the manufacturing process, but there's no way in hell you could afford to launch 12,000 of them in a single battle. I can do it, but then again my most expensive missiles costs 2 million dollars and my naval budget puts your entire military's budget to shame.]
People aren't paying any god damn attention to me or my postings anymore. I specifically stated that many vertical launch missiles. It would only take several hydroskipping missiles, which by the way, skip because they have a heavy payload and a wing underneath them. And I called those on his escorts, not main ship. They wouldn't do jack there. Just for being ignorant and not taking the time to read my posts, you're going on my ignorant list and will not be paid very much attention to.

[I don't have time to carefully read over what you write, it all tends to run together and by the time I finally get to responding it's all a mess in my mind. And it's no real loss, I don't intend to ever RP with you, there really wouldn't be much challenge to it, kind of like squashing a bug.]

Note, I didn't say ignore, I said ignorance. It only means I'll just swat you away like a mosquito and wave whatever you say right over my head.

Thanks for the feedback about my ship! :sarcasm:

ooc: I was just thinking... all anyone has to do is strike an alliance with some future-tech civilization far out in the galaxy... have them send some uber-big-uber-powerful space ship with an uber-dooper-cannon and blow the heck out of any so-called "advanced" ship. lol j/k