NationStates Jolt Archive

1. Pandora's Box nuclear missile equipped war sattelite (upgraded with ability to knock out incoming nukes just after launch.)
2 Golden Dragons. ultimate joint fighter/bombers. (Most advanced in the world, stats are top secret.)
1 Battle Island (WBI Brezhnekov) 5 miles in area, capable of holding 1 divisions, and 1500 aircraft. And numerous supplies. Can move from one ponit to another
(was two, but one was decommissioned)

15,000 thermo-nuclear tipped ICBM's

46,899,632 standing troops
1 million AK 47's
250,000 M249 machine guns
45,899,632 IMI Tavor TAR-21 Assault Rifles
45,899,632 bullet proof vests

5,000 M1A2's
20,000 air medevac vehicles
15 Ticonderoga class aircraft carriers
50 Yorktown Class aircraft carriers (holds 95 planes)
50 Arizona Class Batteship
400 Kirov class nuclear powered cruisers
200 Ticonderoga II class Aegis cruisers
500 Arliegh Burke Aegis guided missile destroyers
100 Farragut Class Aegis Stealth Destroyers
300 Galaxy class nuclear stealth subs
300 Seawolf class attack subs


5,000 Apache Attack Helicopters
4,500 F117 Knighthawks Stealthfighters
1000 B1 bombers
3,000 WASP Stealth Attack Choppers (purchased from Gforce4)
7,000 AV-8B Harrier bombers
20,000 F-111 Multipurpose tactical fighter bombers
500 B-2 multirole fighterbombers
1,000 B52 Stratofortresses
2,000 F35 Joint Strike Fighters
200,000 RIM-18ANSAM Surface to Air Radar Guided Missiles (for destroyers and Aegis Cruisers)

OOC:Please tell me how you can support that?

OOC:Please tell me how you can support that?

He's an older nation that it says on this forum.

OOC:but wouldnt the cost to support all those ships take alot of money?

OOC:Please tell me how you can support that?
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342929

He can support it. Same as I can support my huge military. But then again the EOL is comprised of Layarteb and a pair of commonwealths so...

OOC:but wouldnt the cost to support all those ships take alot of money?
I always budgeted my stuff out just to make sure:

I copied from my sight so I can paste here:
The post for the budget the Pandoras box, nukes and the battle island were lost in a forum purge.

Defense Budget: 5,155,957,806,000

45,899,632 standing troops@$6,536 each=300,000,000,000

Subbalance: 4,855,957,806,000

$45,899,632 IMI Tavor TAR-21 Assault Rifles
" " Bullet proof vests
both above combined: 30 billion

subbalance: 4,825,957,806,000

50 Yorktown Class aircraft carriers (holds 95 planes)@4.5billion each = $225 billion

50 Arizona Class Batteships @ 3.5 billion each = 175 billion

400 Kirov class nuclear powered cruisers @ 1.2 billion = 480 billion

200 Ticonderoga II class Aegis cruisers @ 900 million = 180 billion

500 Arliegh Burke Aegis guided missile destroyers @ 800 million = 400 billion

100 Farragut Class Aegis Stealth Destroyers @ 1 billion = 100 billion

300 Galaxy class nuclear stealth subs @ 1.2 billion = 360 billion

300 Seawolf class attack subs @ 1 billion = 300 billion

subbalance=2,015,957,806,000

7,000 AV-8B Harrier bombers @ 10 million = 70 billion

20,000 F-111 Multipurpose tactical fighter bombers @ 21 million = 420 billion

subbalance= $1,525,957,806,000

500 F117 Knighthawks @ 45 million = 22.5 billion

500 B-2 multirole fighterbombers @ 600 million = 300 billion

1,000 B52 Stratofortresses @ 6 million = 6 billion

2,000 F35 Joint Strike Fighters @ 35 million = 70 billion

200,000 RIM-18ANSAM Surface to Air Radar Guided Missiles (for destroyers and Aegis Cruisers) @ 250,000 = 50billion

290,000 (5,800 per carrier) Carrier personnel@6536= 1,895,440,000


subbalance = 1,075,562,366,000

95,300 battleship personnel (1906 per ship)@ 6536= 622,880,800

subbalance = 1,074,939,485,000

7,800 crew Ticonderoga II Aegies Cruiser (390 per ship) @ 6536= 50,980,800

Subbalance= 1,074,888,504,200

190,000 crew for Arliegh Burke Aegis Guided Missile Destroyer (380 per ship)= 1,241,840,000

Subbalance= 1,073,646,664,200

16,400 crew for Farragut Stealth Aegis Destroyer (164/ship)= 107,190,400

Subbalance= 1,073,476,473,800

39,000 crew for Galaxy class nuclear stealth submarine (130/ship)= 254,904,000

Subbalance= 1,073,221,569,800

39,000 crew for Seawolf Subs (130/ship) = 254,904,000

Subbalance= 1, 072,966,665,800


7,000 pilots for AV-8B Harrier (1/plane)=45,752,000

Subbalance = 1,072,920,913,800

20,000 pilots for F-111 multipurpose tactical fighter bombers (2/plane)= 261,440,000

subbalance= 1,072,659,473,800

1,000 pilots for B2-Spirit mulitrole heavy bomber (2/plane)= 6,536,000

subbalance= 1,072,652,937,800

500 pilots for F117 Nighthawk stealth fighter/attacker (1/plane) = 3,268,000

Subbalance= 1,072,649,669,800

5,000 crew for B52 Stratofortress heavy bomber (5/plane)= 32,680,000

Subbalance= 1,072,616,989,800

2,000 crew for F35 JSF (1/plane)= 13,072,000

Balance: 1,072,603,917,800

5,625,000 CV9030 Infantry Fighting Vehicles (can transport 8 troops) @ 5,000 = 28,125,000,000

balance= 1,044,478,918,000

16,875,000 crew for CV9030 Infantry Fighting Vehicles (3/vehicle) = 110,295,000,000

balance= 934,183,918,000

320,000 crew for Kirov class cruiser (800/ship)=

This is my Army:

6 Infantry Divisions
- 90,000 Men.
- Standard Arms XM29.
- USP9SD Side Arms.
- Each Squad carries a Stinger AA Launcher
- Each Squad carries an updated Bofors RBS-56 BILL.
- Each Squad is wearing the new Water Based anti penetration Kevlar suits.
- 1 Out of every 5 squads has the new H&K GMG.
- Each Squad is armed with an XM312 mountable machine gun.
- Every Platoon has 1 Sniper with a AI AW-50.

2 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
- 30,000 Men.
- Armed with XM29's as primary weapons.
- Each squad Armed with XM312 mountable machine gun.
- Each Squad carries an updated Bofors RBS-56 BILL.
- Each Squad is wearing the new Water Based anti penetration Kevlar suits.
- 1000 BMP3M's.
- 500 APC's.
- 100 HMMVVS.

20 Infantry Support Air Groups
- 5 AH1's in each.
- 5 AH64's in each.
- 5 ADI-AV-33's in each.
- 5 UH-60 Blackhawk's for Troop Lifts e.t.c.
- 5000 Personnel.
- Armed with XM8's as primary weapons.

10 Artillery Infantry Support groups with:
- 50 ADI-M50 "Super Howitzer's" in each.
- 50 T-90-ADI49 “Thumper” Artillery Tank's in each.
- 20 MML's Radar Artillery in each.
- 5000 Personnel.
- Standard Arms - XM8.

4 Armored Divisions
- 1000 M1A2 SEP's.
- 1000 Challenger 2's.
- 40,000 Men.
- Armed with XM8's as primary Weapons.
- And USP9SD's as sidearms.
- They also carry a full compliment of 6 Standard Hand Grenades.
- And are kitted out with the new Water Based Anti Penetration Kevlar Armor.

2 Light Armored Divisions:
- 400 RNI-AM8's.
- 400 M2A2's.
- Armed with XM8's as primary Weapons.
- 15,000 Personnel.

Navy:

3 Fleets:
2 Carrier Groups in each Fleet, each contains:
-1 Nimitiz Class Carrier (with 50 F87's on each and 35 F5K's and 3 CH-53 Sea Stallions)
-4 Arleigh Burke AEGIS Destroyer.
-3 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers.
-2 General Purpose Gunboats.
-2 Oliver Hazard Perry Class ASW Frigates (50 Tactical Tomahawks and 50 TLAMS on each).
-2 Virginia Class Future Attack Submarine.
-2 Trident II Class Ballistic Missile Submarines (30 Tactical Tomahawks on each).
-1 Inchon Class Command Minesweeper.
-1 Command Ship.
-1 AOE-6 Combat Logistics Ship.
-Total of 110,000 Personnel
(2 Curtis Fabus Class Battleships on thier own)

Airforce:

3 Airbourne Divisions
2 Bomber Wings in each:
- 5 B52's in each.
- 50 F111's in each.
- 50 B1B's in each.
- 50 Tu-160 Blackjack's in each.
- 3 B2's in each.
- 3 F117's in each.
- 1 E-2C Hawkeye in each.
- 1 KC-135 Stratotanker's in each.
- Total: 40,000 Personnel

2 Fighter wings in each:
- 50 F23's in each.
- 50 F35-JSF's in each.
- 1 E-2C Hawkeyes in each.
- 3 KC-135 Stratotanker's in each.
- Total 40,000 Personnel.

1 Transport Wing in each:
- 5 C-130 Hercules.
- 5 C-17 Globemaster IIIs.
- 5 C-5 Galaxy.
- Total 10,000 Personnel.
(all Airforce carry USP9D Sidearms).

I have a military budget of $240 Billion, can I support these or do I have to downsize it? If so tell me the areas in which I should downsize

I redesigned my superbattleship, I think it should be the official capital ship of the Whittier Pact, that thing can take on Doujin class ships

http://s4.invisionfree.com/Empire_of_Layarteb/index.php?showtopic=21&view=getnewpost

Here is mine and when you combine my three areas of the empire you have a total population of:

Layarteb: 1.505B
Dnalkrad: 1.268B
South Eastern Virginia: 1.496B

And my economy in Layarteb is frigtening.
Now before you start whining about godmodding I asked, before I did any colonization, on the technical forum and the mods and other people said it was cool, so long as I did some sort of RP and I have. SEV was annexed via sale and DNAL was annexed after a war. And yes I support all three and use all three in RPs and such...

This is my Army:

6 Infantry Divisions
- 90,000 Men.
- Standard Arms XM29.
- USP9SD Side Arms.
- Each Squad carries a Stinger AA Launcher
- Each Squad carries an updated Bofors RBS-56 BILL.
- Each Squad is wearing the new Water Based anti penetration Kevlar suits.
- 1 Out of every 5 squads has the new H&K GMG.
- Each Squad is armed with an XM312 mountable machine gun.
- Every Platoon has 1 Sniper with a AI AW-50.

2 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
- 30,000 Men.
- Armed with XM29's as primary weapons.
- Each squad Armed with XM312 mountable machine gun.
- Each Squad carries an updated Bofors RBS-56 BILL.
- Each Squad is wearing the new Water Based anti penetration Kevlar suits.
- 1000 BMP3M's.
- 500 APC's.
- 100 HMMVVS.

20 Infantry Support Air Groups
- 5 AH1's in each.
- 5 AH64's in each.
- 5 ADI-AV-33's in each.
- 5 UH-60 Blackhawk's for Troop Lifts e.t.c.
- 5000 Personnel.
- Armed with XM8's as primary weapons.

10 Artillery Infantry Support groups with:
- 50 ADI-M50 "Super Howitzer's" in each.
- 50 T-90-ADI49 “Thumper” Artillery Tank's in each.
- 20 MML's Radar Artillery in each.
- 5000 Personnel.
- Standard Arms - XM8.

4 Armored Divisions
- 1000 M1A2 SEP's.
- 1000 Challenger 2's.
- 40,000 Men.
- Armed with XM8's as primary Weapons.
- And USP9SD's as sidearms.
- They also carry a full compliment of 6 Standard Hand Grenades.
- And are kitted out with the new Water Based Anti Penetration Kevlar Armor.

2 Light Armored Divisions:
- 400 RNI-AM8's.
- 400 M2A2's.
- Armed with XM8's as primary Weapons.
- 15,000 Personnel.

Navy:

3 Fleets:
2 Carrier Groups in each Fleet, each contains:
-1 Nimitiz Class Carrier (with 50 F87's on each and 35 F5K's and 3 CH-53 Sea Stallions)
-4 Arleigh Burke AEGIS Destroyer.
-3 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers.
-2 General Purpose Gunboats.
-2 Oliver Hazard Perry Class ASW Frigates (50 Tactical Tomahawks and 50 TLAMS on each).
-2 Virginia Class Future Attack Submarine.
-2 Trident II Class Ballistic Missile Submarines (30 Tactical Tomahawks on each).
-1 Inchon Class Command Minesweeper.
-1 Command Ship.
-1 AOE-6 Combat Logistics Ship.
-Total of 110,000 Personnel
(2 Curtis Fabus Class Battleships on thier own)

Airforce:

3 Airbourne Divisions
2 Bomber Wings in each:
- 5 B52's in each.
- 50 F111's in each.
- 50 B1B's in each.
- 50 Tu-160 Blackjack's in each.
- 3 B2's in each.
- 3 F117's in each.
- 1 E-2C Hawkeye in each.
- 1 KC-135 Stratotanker's in each.
- Total: 40,000 Personnel

2 Fighter wings in each:
- 50 F23's in each.
- 50 F35-JSF's in each.
- 1 E-2C Hawkeyes in each.
- 3 KC-135 Stratotanker's in each.
- Total 40,000 Personnel.

1 Transport Wing in each:
- 5 C-130 Hercules.
- 5 C-17 Globemaster IIIs.
- 5 C-5 Galaxy.
- Total 10,000 Personnel.
(all Airforce carry USP9D Sidearms).

I have a military budget of $240 Billion, can I support these or do I have to downsize it? If so tell me the areas in which I should downsize
Do what I do, make a budget for them.

http://s4.invisionfree.com/Empire_of_Layarteb/index.php?showtopic=21&view=getnewpost

Here is mine and when you combine my three areas of the empire you have a total population of:

Layarteb: 1.505B
Dnalkrad: 1.268B
South Eastern Virginia: 1.496B

And my economy in Layarteb is frigtening.
Now before you start whining about godmodding I asked, before I did any colonization, on the technical forum and the mods and other people said it was cool, so long as I did some sort of RP and I have. SEV was annexed via sale and DNAL was annexed after a war. And yes I support all three and use all three in RPs and such...

how does that work?

I just yesterday and copied in down in Word, and my estimates came to $221 Billion, unfortunately I cant seem to find the damn file. Dunno whether I even saved it.

IDF: Thats a good idea, thats an awesome Battleship.

Do what I do, make a budget for them.

I do that as well and the rest I put in a surplus fund. It's currently at a total of 1.32291E+12 (yes 1.3xx trillion). So much to spend, so little things to spend them on

how does that work?

Very carefully. It isn't easy and I have my military forces divided up covering the three areas but it does cost more to maintain because of logistics. One big problem is that I have mandatory military service so I have so many damn new recruits each year and I have cut down on the numbers just to maintain a positive income flow.

I just yesterday and copied in down in Word, and my estimates came to $221 Billion, unfortunately I cant seem to find the damn file. Dunno whether I even saved it.

IDF: Thats a good idea, thats an awesome Battleship.
IDF's ship will be the official battleship of the Whittier Pact.

IDF's ship will be the official battleship of the Whittier Pact.

Another ship that's so big I just want to sink it (along with the Doujin one). LOL...mind if I sink yours too? LOL!!!

How about... We collectively build a new ship, it could be built at IDF's shipyards but collectively if all Whitier Pact Nations donate and work together on this project - we could create the most dominant battleship on NS.

How about... We collectively build a new ship, it could be built at IDF's shipyards but collectively if all Whitier Pact Nations donate and work together on this project - we could create the most dominant battleship on NS.
I can make my ships, all pact nations get 15% off. I'm in the process of making an airplane store, but that takes longer as there are tons more there than there are ships.

The better idea is we each design our own, share the technologies developed though and compete for the best design, like what the US and Brittain did during the Cold War.

How about... We collectively build a new ship, it could be built at IDF's shipyards but collectively if all Whitier Pact Nations donate and work together on this project - we could create the most dominant battleship on NS.

You could but you'd be competing with my own personal BBs that are not 1,000s of meters long so they are agile, heavily armored, and heavily equipped. After-all, a 900 foot battleship is certainly going to outmanuever a 3,000 foot one. Hell, look how unagile an 1,100 foot carrier is. Unless you have side thrusters of propellars or air jets that battleship is going to take a whole ocean to turn around.

Another ship that's so big I just want to sink it (along with the Doujin one). LOL...mind if I sink yours too? LOL!!!
I never bought any of these ships.

You could but you'd be competing with my own personal BBs that are not 1,000s of meters long so they are agile, heavily armored, and heavily equipped. After-all, a 900 foot battleship is certainly going to outmanuever a 3,000 foot one. Hell, look how unagile an 1,100 foot carrier is. Unless you have side thrusters of propellars or air jets that battleship is going to take a whole ocean to turn around.

I only have a few of the superbattleships, most of my fleet is and will remain the smaller Arizona and Iowa II class BBs

You could but you'd be competing with my own personal BBs that are not 1,000s of meters long so they are agile, heavily armored, and heavily equipped. After-all, a 900 foot battleship is certainly going to outmanuever a 3,000 foot one. Hell, look how unagile an 1,100 foot carrier is. Unless you have side thrusters of propellars or air jets that battleship is going to take a whole ocean to turn around.
True. Link to your store?

I only have a few of the superbattleships, most of my fleet is and will remain the smaller Arizona and Iowa II class BBs

Yeah Iowa's are my choice. My Layarteb Class is a modified IOWA with some major improvements. My Bismarck II Class is also heavily modified from the original but still packs the original main guns and secondary guns. Oh man is that a sight for sore eyes!

True. Link to your store?

In the signature...Go to the forums or the storefront...

Yeah Iowa's are my choice. My Layarteb Class is a modified IOWA with some major improvements. My Bismarck II Class is also heavily modified from the original but still packs the original main guns and secondary guns. Oh man is that a sight for sore eyes!
I would take a Yamato over Bismarck, the ship was sunk on it's 1st deployment I may add.

My IOwa II is obviously a modernized version of the old ship.

My Arizona is a custom modern ship that is larger thatn Iowa, but still considered a regular sized BB, it has good sized guns and good missile systems

honestly, in rl, battleships are like the dinosaurs today. They're redundant. THe real sea power is in carriers and missile submarines and cruisers.
Battleships are only worthwhile if they are capable of launching cruise missiles.

I would take a Yamato over Bismarck, the ship was sunk on it's 1st deployment I may add.

My IOwa II is obviously a modernized version of the old ship.

My Arizona is a custom modern ship that is larger thatn Iowa, but still considered a regular sized BB, it has good sized guns and good missile systems

Yes it was but it surely took a LOT to sink the monster...btw I like your sig (I am a NYY fan but hey I'd love to see the Cubs in the series...but against the NYY).

Not necessarily, you see the theory is that if you have a Super Battleship, you can displace massive amounts of firepower per minute that you wouldnt be able to do with an Aeroplane, the theory also follows that if enough nations begin to buy battleships, other nations needs battleships to combat them. Thus beginning an arms race.

Not necessarily, you see the theory is that if you have a Super Battleship, you can displace massive amounts of firepower per minute that you wouldnt be able to do with an Aeroplane, the theory also follows that if enough nations begin to buy battleships, other nations needs battleships to combat them. Thus beginning an arms race.

If you fire those 30" ETC cannons all at once that Doujin has it's going to tip it over...Also, those big battleships are a piece of cake to sink. Sink they are so big, so unmanueverable, etc. you just shoot a few torpedoes at it in the right quantity and walla, $200B wasted! No decoy is going to hide something that big.

a study by the US Navy said that a single 10 inch rail gun can deliver the firepower of a whole carrier air wing, the rail gun can fire over 300 miles and my ship has 18 of them. (Doujin has 20 of them)

They don't tip over because they are trimarian hulls. They are hard to sink because they are armored with multiple layers and it would take tons of direct hits through the armor to sink something that big. I mean, loock how long it took to kill Bismarck, they launched torpedoes at it and it did little damage. In fact, I saw a dive to the wreck on History Channel that suggests the ship was scuttled and the torpedo hits did no damage that would sink the ship. Same with this, but mine has escorts that prevent you from getting a shot

a study by the US Navy said that a single 10 inch rail gun can deliver the firepower of a whole carrier air wing, the rail gun can fire over 300 miles and my ship has 18 of them. (Doujin has 20 of them)

Fire them all at once and imagine the force going out. That's a lot of force pushing outward, thereby pushing the ship the opposite way. I fire 9 16" guns and the ship will list but not tip.

Fire them all at once and imagine the force going out. That's a lot of force pushing outward, thereby pushing the ship the opposite way. I fire 9 16" guns and the ship will list but not tip.
I edited that post and added stuff you should read

True, they are really just floating batteries. Thats why they are so easy to sink. But if you have naval superiority and can place Super Battleships at your will, you can easily displace firepower equivalent to that of Bombing wings.

a study by the US Navy said that a single 10 inch rail gun can deliver the firepower of a whole carrier air wing, the rail gun can fire over 300 miles and my ship has 18 of them. (Doujin has 20 of them)

They don't tip over because they are trimarian hulls. They are hard to sink because they are armored with multiple layers and it would take tons of direct hits through the armor to sink something that big. I mean, loock how long it took to kill Bismarck, they launched torpedoes at it and it did little damage. In fact, I saw a dive to the wreck on History Channel that suggests the ship was scuttled and the torpedo hits did no damage that would sink the ship. Same with this, but mine has escorts that prevent you from getting a shot

Yes ultimately the Bismarck was scuttled. Crazy huh.

What a torpedo does is take the water out from underneath the ship, thereby making a vacuum of air that can only be filled by more water. The ship will immediately try to fill that vacuum first and that leads to the hull splitting in two. Use enough of them at once and at the same time and the ship won't have anything to support it (i.e. the water underneath it).

but, try and get close enough with dozens of escorts

but, try and get close enough with dozens of escorts

Like I said to Doujin. I have submarines quieter than the Virginia NSSN (RL) because of the use of pumpjet propulsors, large blades, and quieting systems. I don't have to get that close. An ADCAP has a range of 27NM. All I have to do is fire a bunch of them at your fleet at 20NM in passive mode. You'll hear them but not until it's too late. Unless you ping away with active sonar (thereby giving away your position) you aren't going to hear them creep up. Also once you give away your position guess what, you'll have so much enemy forces descending upon you it'll eventually just overwhelm you. Battlefleets never said with active sensors on at times of war if there is a threat. They use passive. Once you go active, everyone knows where you are and can target you.

wHittier builds few weapons, the only things I make are missiles.
The DingDong Air to Air Missile
The Trilobite ICBM.

wHittier builds few weapons, the only things I make are missiles.
The DingDong Air to Air Missile
The Trilobite ICBM.

Well if you like anything on my storefronts I got you covered.

Thanks.
I try to buy out, since domestic production always turns out to be more expensive than outsourcing for some reason.

Thanks.
I try to buy out, since domestic production always turns out to be more expensive than outsourcing for some reason.

LOL yeah sometimes. I like to stay in though and develop my own stuff. Hell, I think I have some fine naval products (probably the best of the things I have) so...

http://s4.invisionfree.com/Empire_of_Layarteb/index.php?showtopic=21&view=getnewpost

Here is mine and when you combine my three areas of the empire you have a total population of:

Layarteb: 1.505B
Dnalkrad: 1.268B
South Eastern Virginia: 1.496B

And my economy in Layarteb is frigtening.
Now before you start whining about godmodding I asked, before I did any colonization, on the technical forum and the mods and other people said it was cool, so long as I did some sort of RP and I have. SEV was annexed via sale and DNAL was annexed after a war. And yes I support all three and use all three in RPs and such...

Layartab, it's been said before by people who rp here that it isn't acceptable, and I do remember the mini-debate me, you, and a couple others had. It isn't against the rules to do so, however many people will ignore it - simply because there is nothing to stop someone from getting a handful of puppets and annexing them through a RP and magically getting a billion+ population bonus. That's not how it's supposed to work ;)

This is my Army:

6 Infantry Divisions
- 90,000 Men.
- Standard Arms XM29.
- USP9SD Side Arms.
- Each Squad carries a Stinger AA Launcher
- Each Squad carries an updated Bofors RBS-56 BILL.
- Each Squad is wearing the new Water Based anti penetration Kevlar suits.
- 1 Out of every 5 squads has the new H&K GMG.
- Each Squad is armed with an XM312 mountable machine gun.
- Every Platoon has 1 Sniper with a AI AW-50.

2 Mechanized Infantry Divisions
- 30,000 Men.
- Armed with XM29's as primary weapons.
- Each squad Armed with XM312 mountable machine gun.
- Each Squad carries an updated Bofors RBS-56 BILL.
- Each Squad is wearing the new Water Based anti penetration Kevlar suits.
- 1000 BMP3M's.
- 500 APC's.
- 100 HMMVVS.

20 Infantry Support Air Groups
- 5 AH1's in each.
- 5 AH64's in each.
- 5 ADI-AV-33's in each.
- 5 UH-60 Blackhawk's for Troop Lifts e.t.c.
- 5000 Personnel.
- Armed with XM8's as primary weapons.

10 Artillery Infantry Support groups with:
- 50 ADI-M50 "Super Howitzer's" in each.
- 50 T-90-ADI49 “Thumper” Artillery Tank's in each.
- 20 MML's Radar Artillery in each.
- 5000 Personnel.
- Standard Arms - XM8.

4 Armored Divisions
- 1000 M1A2 SEP's.
- 1000 Challenger 2's.
- 40,000 Men.
- Armed with XM8's as primary Weapons.
- And USP9SD's as sidearms.
- They also carry a full compliment of 6 Standard Hand Grenades.
- And are kitted out with the new Water Based Anti Penetration Kevlar Armor.

2 Light Armored Divisions:
- 400 RNI-AM8's.
- 400 M2A2's.
- Armed with XM8's as primary Weapons.
- 15,000 Personnel.

Navy:

3 Fleets:
2 Carrier Groups in each Fleet, each contains:
-1 Nimitiz Class Carrier (with 50 F87's on each and 35 F5K's and 3 CH-53 Sea Stallions)
-4 Arleigh Burke AEGIS Destroyer.
-3 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers.
-2 General Purpose Gunboats.
-2 Oliver Hazard Perry Class ASW Frigates (50 Tactical Tomahawks and 50 TLAMS on each).
-2 Virginia Class Future Attack Submarine.
-2 Trident II Class Ballistic Missile Submarines (30 Tactical Tomahawks on each).
-1 Inchon Class Command Minesweeper.
-1 Command Ship.
-1 AOE-6 Combat Logistics Ship.
-Total of 110,000 Personnel
(2 Curtis Fabus Class Battleships on thier own)

Airforce:

3 Airbourne Divisions
2 Bomber Wings in each:
- 5 B52's in each.
- 50 F111's in each.
- 50 B1B's in each.
- 50 Tu-160 Blackjack's in each.
- 3 B2's in each.
- 3 F117's in each.
- 1 E-2C Hawkeye in each.
- 1 KC-135 Stratotanker's in each.
- Total: 40,000 Personnel

2 Fighter wings in each:
- 50 F23's in each.
- 50 F35-JSF's in each.
- 1 E-2C Hawkeyes in each.
- 3 KC-135 Stratotanker's in each.
- Total 40,000 Personnel.

1 Transport Wing in each:
- 5 C-130 Hercules.
- 5 C-17 Globemaster IIIs.
- 5 C-5 Galaxy.
- Total 10,000 Personnel.
(all Airforce carry USP9D Sidearms).

I have a military budget of $240 Billion, can I support these or do I have to downsize it? If so tell me the areas in which I should downsize

My Army is Bigger

8,000,000 Troopers
200,000 AK-47
600,000 machine Guns, all types
30,000 RPG Launchers
50,000 Humvees
900,000 War Mastdons
230,000 Swordsmen
1,000,000 Men on Horseback
23,000 Ninjas

Just look at My Navy

23,000 Neherenia Class Battle Ships
90,000 Black Dragon Class Destroyers
20,000 King Tut and Golden Queen Galaxia Air Craft Carriers
70,000 PT Boats
100,000 Sea Wolf Class Subs
20,000Death BusterClass Troop Carrier Subs

May the Air Force is with me.....

80,000 MIG-29's
40,000 MiG-28's
70,000 Sivik Death Fighters
23,000 F-16 Tomcats
50,000 C-17's
60,139 B-52

Time for the Big Guns

45,400 Sherman Tanks
24,000 Jian-lin Super Tanks
34,000 Cannons
Tons of Land Mines (Anti-Tank and Presonel)
500,000 Cruise Missles
78,000 IBCM's With all kinds of Warheads
56 Death Ray, with more Being made

you want to mess with me now??

My Army is Bigger

8,000,000 Troopers
200,000 AK-47
600,000 machine Guns, all types
30,000 RPG Launchers
50,000 Humvees
900,000 War Mastdons
230,000 Swordsmen
1,000,000 Men on Horseback
23,000 Ninjas

Just look at My Navy

23,000 Neherenia Class Battle Ships
90,000 Black Dragon Class Destroyers
20,000 King Tut and Golden Queen Galaxia Air Craft Carriers
70,000 PT Boats
100,000 Sea Wolf Class Subs
20,000Death BusterClass Troop Carrier Subs

May the Air Force is with me.....

80,000 MIG-29's
40,000 MiG-28's
70,000 Sivik Death Fighters
23,000 F-16 Tomcats
50,000 C-17's
60,139 B-52

Time for the Big Guns

45,400 Sherman Tanks
24,000 Jian-lin Super Tanks
34,000 Cannons
Tons of Land Mines (Anti-Tank and Presonel)
500,000 Cruise Missles
78,000 IBCM's With all kinds of Warheads
56 Death Ray, with more Being made

you want to mess with me now??

^-^ hi newb :)

Layartab, it's been said before by people who rp here that it isn't acceptable, and I do remember the mini-debate me, you, and a couple others had. It isn't against the rules to do so, however many people will ignore it - simply because there is nothing to stop someone from getting a handful of puppets and annexing them through a RP and magically getting a billion+ population bonus. That's not how it's supposed to work ;)

It may be and I remember but the mods said it was cool so it's cool.

heh, nice militaries...everyone. All I am willing to pay for are seven Regimental Combat Teams ^_^.

Um, can someone link me to how I can estimate what military I can afford?

heh, nice militaries...everyone. All I am willing to pay for are seven Regimental Combat Teams ^_^.

Um, can someone link me to how I can estimate what military I can afford?


http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?region=new_york&nation=layarteb

Replace the first bold with your region and the second with your country name. All spaces must be filled with _ .

It may be and I remember but the mods said it was cool so it's cool.

The mods don't RP here, they rp in NationStates - I do not recall TJHairball, the only mod that gives a real damn about II saying that it was ok, in fact I do remember him saying not to do that.

This is complete BULLSHIT... There is no way you can have a navy in this day and age of thousands of warships, especially with the high-cost of current navies and technologies. This is especially true for Whittier, when he only has a REASONABLE economy. Even my nation with a higher GDP per capita, GDP, and better economic rating (but less population) is unable to maintain so many warships.

Finally, Layarteb, it is a commonly accepted rule that puppets are not counted in the nation's totals. If that was accepted by four puppets will give me a population of about 10 billion and with a very big GDP.

This is complete BULLSHIT... There is no way you can have a navy in this day and age of thousands of warships, especially with the high-cost of current navies and technologies. This is especially true for Whittier, when he only has a REASONABLE economy. Even my nation with a higher GDP per capita, GDP, and better economic rating (but less population) is unable to maintain so many warships.

Finally, Layarteb, it is a commonly accepted rule that puppets are not counted in the nation's totals. If that was accepted by four puppets will give me a population of about 10 billion and with a very big GDP.

Here we go again...It doesn't bug me at all because like I said, I did it the right way and RP'd it the right way. Hell it means I have to defend 3 fronts, not easy at all.

This is complete BULLSHIT... There is no way you can have a navy in this day and age of thousands of warships, especially with the high-cost of current navies and technologies. This is especially true for Whittier, when he only has a REASONABLE economy. Even my nation with a higher GDP per capita, GDP, and better economic rating (but less population) is unable to maintain so many warships.

Finally, Layarteb, it is a commonly accepted rule that puppets are not counted in the nation's totals. If that was accepted by four puppets will give me a population of about 10 billion and with a very big GDP.
Another whiner.
My navy does not contain thousands of warships. only a few hundred.

Another whiner.
My navy does not contain thousands of warships. only a few hundred.

I think he was meaning me too.

Let's break it down:
2,847 surface ships (yes that is a lot)
1,200 of them are LCACs
600 are LCU-2000s
210 are "other" ships (basically merchant vessels we use in times of war)

So in essence we have only 837 combat ships (Not much more than the 600 ship Navy of the US in the 1980s).

I'm talking to Whittier. You do have 1,915 warships...

46,899,632 standing troops

Exactly how does your 8 million population nation manage to have 46 million troops?

Exactly how does your 8 million population nation manage to have 46 million troops?
He's a nation that had 3.1+ Billion pop. Or, he was, but got deleted and uses his old population.

He's a nation that had 3.1+ Billion pop. Or, he was, but got deleted and uses his old population.

Note the past tense in your post - "was".

Many nations, Five Civilized Nations included, have decided to I.G.N.O.R.E. Whittier for continuous godmodding/powergaming/wanking, etc... *shrugs* There is no real way to change his ways...

Many nations, Five Civilized Nations included, have decided to I.G.N.O.R.E. Whittier for continuous godmodding/powergaming/wanking, etc... *shrugs* There is no real way to change his ways...
whatever,

Note the past tense in your post - "was".
wasn't my fault it was deleted, so if you don't like it, as I said before, too freaking bad.

wasn't my fault it was deleted, so if you don't like it, as I said before, too freaking bad.

If it was accidentally deleted couldn't you get the mods to reinstate it?

I think it was more that he was purposedly deleted, unless I'm mistaken..

If it was accidentally deleted couldn't you get the mods to reinstate it?
why? I am might be deploying in a couple of months and it will be auto deleted for lack of activity anyway.
though I am considering it, with the tgs and these posts and all.

(In reference to the post prior to the one above)
Is it not then customary to start afresh?

I think it was more that he was purposedly deleted, unless I'm mistaken..
I think the same, cause in one of the thread from general,


Vagari
Member

Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 183

Quote:
Originally Posted by Colodia
Damn, I was fine with Canada and the whole of Europe until I came here and discovered stereotyping at its best.

Now I got this HUGE problem with Canada and I have this urge to conquer Europe.

Hell, now I sing "Blame Canada" at Cross Country workouts all the time.



I don't really care either way about Americans as a whole. I just like to correct the occasional blatant misinterpretations of history they occasionally put forward, such as "W3 w0n teh w0r of 1812!!!!!1111" I also like to correct blatant misinterpretations of history put forward by fellow Europeans, lest they make me look stupid by association.

I have lots of online friends who are American, and I have nothing against the country in general. Just idiots like Whittier.




Stephistan
NationStates Moderator Team

Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 5,596

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vagari
Just idiots like Whittier.


Then you'll be happy to know I deleted him...

found here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341856&page=2&highlight=whittier

*shrugs*

In general, if the mods or admins delete a nation, you'll have to start all over again... I don't know how this is going to work though...

Whittier, try to get your nation resurrected...

*shrugs*

In general, if the mods or admins delete a nation, you'll have to start all over again... I don't know how this is going to work though...

Whittier, try to get your nation resurrected...
the appeal has officially been filed in moderation.

appeal failed.

the appeal has officially been filed in moderation.

appeal failed.

Figures...

what is the whittier website?