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Diplomatic Tensions on the Rise With Canada and Sevaris - Page 2

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Sevaris
27-07-2004, 20:51
"This is your last chance. Turn around at once."
Communist Mississippi
27-07-2004, 20:52
The PMC planes continued to fly dangerous close to unfriendly ships and planes, attempting to goad them into firing first.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 20:53
"All units, hold your bloody fire!" bellowed the regiment commander, tracking the enemy planes with ease on his Su-33B's radar. "Bunch of fucking twats! Keep your radars locked. Let them of only if they go out of range." That would be difficult. The SBI-16(i) could track the enemy planes to a range of 230 miles.
Praetonia
27-07-2004, 20:54
The Praetonians were disciplined. They were instruced not to fire until ordered, and they would not question their orders. They knew what would happen if they fired. Meanwhile the ships had all been assigned targets. They were ready to fire two high-tech Javelin SAMs at each CM plane within an instant of the first shot being fired. The Oberon Class Missile Defence Frigates were ready to shoot down any ordinance that came up against the ships.
Communist Mississippi
27-07-2004, 20:58
The PMC flight leader said over the radio, "Alpha Zulu."

The planes flew an impressive series of maneuvers and then turned around and went supersonic to fly back to their bases.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:00
*Sevarisian MiG-29s shadowed them to ensure they left Sevarisian airspace.*
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:00
"Let them go?"
"Let them go. For now." The regiment leader breathed a sigh of relief. Below him, the cruise missiles were disengaged, the submarines unflodded their tubes. For now.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:03
Official Statement from the Ministry of Defence.
We are sending the 3rd Fleet out on an observation mission to the Falkland Islands. We will not stop for the blockade.
*The 3rd Fleet then left its base at St. Bevell and steamed out of the harbor*
Communist Mississippi
27-07-2004, 21:05
Airpower Unlimited was ordered to move in conjunction with "Yacht Club" and if Sevaris attempted to break the blockade they were to send every ship to the bottom.


Airpower Unlimited: Specializes in providing fighters to gain air superiority. Employs 1,000 MiG-31s, 2,000 F-16s, 1,000 F-14s, and 500 F-35s. Price 200 billion dollars per month.


The Yacht Club: Specializes in naval warfare. 6 Ohio SSBN, 18 Los Angeles attack submarines. 18 Oliver Hazard Perry, 22 Arleigh Burke, 18 Kirov CGN, 2 Fabus Class Super Carriers (Nimitz just renamed) (50 F-14Ds. 15 F/A 18 Hornets. 20 Rafale M). Cost 500 billion dollars per month.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:07
Our ships are going on a humanitarian mission to the Falklands, to ensure the proper treatement of civilians. Fire on them, and total war will occur.
Hogsweat
27-07-2004, 21:07
OOC// Shit whoops
Okay, not too well handled by me, I apologise for rashness but.. anyway

he United Kingdoms of Hogsweat, noting the situation and considering Sevaris to be in the correct, has taken a stance of :
CONFLICTIAL ASSISTANCE TOWARDS SEVARIS
The King, King John Williams I, has called for Directive AC12 To be put in action. Parliament has agreed by a vote and the following has been called.
MOBILIZATION OF SPECIAL FORCES AND ARMY UNITS

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/hogsweat.jpg
-Mark Twain
-Minister of Foreign Affairs
-United Kingdoms of Hogsweat
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:08
You've declared war?
Communist Mississippi
27-07-2004, 21:10
The United Kingdoms of Hogsweat, noting the situation and considering Sevaris to be in the correct, has taken a stance of :
CONFLICTIAL ASSISTANCE TOWARDS SEVARIS
The King, King John Williams I, has called for Directive AC12 To be put in action. Parliament has agreed by a vote and the following has been called.
A DECLARATION OF WAR UPON KAHTA AND HER ALLIES
MOBILIZATION OF SPECIAL FORCES AND ARMY UNITS


Occ- You're either still in or just got out from a civil war. What can you do? Your land is in ruins.

Occ- Also I'm not an ally, I'm just a merchant of death. The PMCs work for the highest bidder.
Hogsweat
27-07-2004, 21:13
Editified.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:14
OOC: Sevaris, there was a cock-up. Sorry man, my bad. No war, yet.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:20
"On this, the 27th day of July, 2004, a new chapter in our history has begun. Hogsweat, after seeing the atrocities Kahta has committed, has joined my cause, but not only has he joined my cause, he has also declared war. Even though peace had a remote chance of surviving- it was too small to be significant. It has become quite apparent that neither Kahta nor her allies are willing to back down on their blockade- which, as I have stated, it's removal is the gateway toward peace. And so, because of the heinous acts and crimes committed by Kahta, I am forced to bring my nation into war. The Republic of Sevaris formally declares war on the Kahtan Empire. However, we will not fire the first shot. No, our mandate extends to our home and nothing more. You want to destroy us---come and get us, then."- Premier Alec Mannerheim.

*3rd Fleet heads back for home to regroup*
Chellis
27-07-2004, 21:21
"Shit, enemy planes are coming up"

"Scramble I-4's! Full AA armament!"

"Yessir"

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The Large carriers began launching planes, about 120 each, though only 100 were launched from each. The escort carriers didnt launch their aircraft however, but about 400 I-4's were in the air in a short time.

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The helicopters began inching closer and closer to the Sevaris waters, the helicopters staying their ground. "Turn back now or be destroyed!" Yelled one of the pilots, and at that, three pilots began firing their 30mm guns at the water in front of the ships. If the ships headed into the guns, the ships would be shot.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:22
Er...Sevaris...no declaration of war has been issued...threre was a balls-up...
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:23
I decided to issue my own. I needed to, in order to stop all these incursions on my airspace/waters. However, we will not fire the first shot. They must come to us to attack us.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:24
So basically we have the same situation as before, where we wait for them to shoot and they wait for us to shoot, but even more tense.

OOC: Not a great move, but hey, it ramps up the tension. :D
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:25
OOC: Not a great move, but a necessary one.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:26
OOC: Can't you just stop it? They know that war will start if they actually fire. All this does is make it all the more likely and make you in effect the party pushing war closer.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:28
OOC: Stop what? I am just letting them know. No more warnings. No more escapes. They want to invade my airspace- they will die.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:30
OOC: Thus giving them a nice excuse and making you the aggressor when you fire the first shot. You can't win this war; the only way to avert it is to let them do pretty much anything short of open fire.
Sarzonia
27-07-2004, 21:30
[OOC: So is this war officially on?]

Patinkin heard the declaration of war and angrily slammed his fist into the padded wall in the situation room. He had been hoping that the two sides would be content to sit there and posture and trade insults until they reached a peace accord. He also hoped that Senior Vice President for External Affairs Mark Lorber would find a way to broker a settlement and avert a potentially horrific war.

However, those things didn't seem to come to pass.

"Ready the fighter squadrons," Patinkin ordered. "Increase to maximum fighter cover."

"Aye, sir."

The Vengeance and the Valiant each launched one squadron to supplement their squadrons already in the air, while each of the remaining eight carriers launched two squadrons each. That was the maximum defensive coverage of the Sarzonian fleet. The AA destroyers readied their anti-aircraft defense guns and all ships in the fleet readied their anti-missile defense systems.

The imaging satellites working with each of the satellites bearing tungsten rods began programming targets, though the tungsten rods were not locked onto any specific target and would not unless the Sarzonians were fired upon. In addition, the anti-missile defense systems throughout Sarzonia were on maximum alert in the event of an attack on the homeland.

"Shall we open fire, sir?" the commanding officer of the air escorts asked Patinkin over the communications panel.

"Negative," Patinkin said. "We're not firing the first shot. Fire only if we are fired upon."
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:31
Look- I can still win this war. Anyone with a brain would know that I did not fire the first shot. The first "shot", even though there was no shooting, was fired long ago by Kahta.
Sarzonia
27-07-2004, 21:31
OOC: Not a great move, but a necessary one.

[OOC: I'd say a RECKLESS one. I have half a mind to withdraw because, quite frankly, you're beginning to alienate us.]
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:32
"Oh God. The idiots have declared war." The 2IC shook as he watched the fleet. Romanov swallowed.
"Return fire only. Do not fire first. Launch weapons on warning of enemy launch. All ships and aircraft to ready electronics. Assign targets if possible."
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:33
Look- I did not want to do this. I had to. I laid out my terms for a settlement. They were not willing to withdraw the blockade. I am only doing this just to ensure that my forces are ready when they attack. Firing the first shots of the war is up to them.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:33
OOC: I'm with Sarzonia. I came to your aid because you needed help from a reckless aggressive nation, and you seem to be becoming what I'm meant to fight.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:35
I am not being aggressive. I am not ordering any attacks. I am just doing this so I am ready. Why in bloody hell can't you understand that? I have been walked on by them too many times. I have to do this- or else they'll just be able to run over me. I still need your help. I am just defending myself from agression by making sure I am ready when it comes.
Praetonia
27-07-2004, 21:38
I'm with Sarzonia and DPUO.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:38
I can understand that, but you were prepared enough as it was. Now you're effectively goading them on, because all you've done is removed the last rung of the escalation ladder by declaring war. Your very words, "I have been walked on too many times," smack to me of pride; and in this case pride does go before a fall. I hate to say it, because it feels humiliating as hell, be it in NS or RL, but have no alternative but to swallow that pride, unless you want your allies to begin deserting you and your nation to be decimated.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 21:38
"We're getting orders... Sevaris has declared war on Kahta, and by extention, us."

"Shall we attack them then?"

"Nah. Boss wants us to provoke them. Pull up to 56k. We're gonna pull vandal manuvers. Split into groups of 25. Y'all know the drill. Have radars detecting targets, missiles armed, all the good stuff."

"Rgr"
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:40
I can't afford to lose my allies. I am merely preparing for the inevitable. Look- this war, whether you realize it or not- started when Kahta announced his bid to smash me into slavery. I do not wish to be the aggressor. I will not. They will come to me if they want. If they don't, fine.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:42
Kiev-II-class CVH Winged Dragon

"Captain! RWR detects we are being illuminated!" shouted a young seaman.
"Activate jamming systems! Ready SAMs, order all aircraft to be ready for action."

12 Yak-41Ms turned toward the inbound Chellian aircraft and lit off their radars. The move was repeated by evry plane in the group within 1 minute.
Sarzonia
27-07-2004, 21:44
I am not being aggressive. I am not ordering any attacks. I am just doing this so I am ready. Why in bloody hell can't you understand that? I have been walked on by them too many times. I have to do this- or else they'll just be able to run over me. I still need your help. I am just defending myself from agression by making sure I am ready when it comes.

"We understand where you're coming from, but quite frankly, we have more than just one nation to think about," President Mike Sarzo said as he ripped the phone from the hand of Assistant to the Senior Vice President for External Affairs Jordan Diehl.

"Your actions are jeopardizing the lives of billions of citizens in the world; far more than just your own country. By the terms of the Victoria Alliance, we are coming to your aid. In our desire for peace, we have proposed a treaty that is fair to both sides. However, you currently are jeopardizing that peace by declaring war against countries that are many times your size and military strength. That gives them all the justification they would need to strike first and strike hard. Then that unfortunate piece of rubbish Chellis calls a treaty would be generous in comparison to what you'll end up with.

"Parliament is breathing down my neck about withdrawing our forces. One more reckless act on your part and I'll be forced to listen to them. I don't like backing out of supporting my allies, but I can't support them when they seem to run toward suicide as their only option. The choice is yours."

Sarzo handed the phone back to Diehl.

"I've had about enough of their shit," he said.

Diehl blinked. It was unlike Sarzo to use that word in all but the most informal settings. Around his friends, he cursed like a sailor, but in a professional atmosphere, he did his best to sound presidential. All that was about to go out the window.

[OOC: Edited slightly because it didn't say quite what I wanted it to say.]
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:45
We know that you're ready! You've been ready for the last 2 days! Everbody is well aware that any firing will result in similar response, but all you're doing is upping the ante; you're effectively playing chicken, daring Kahta to come for you. Before you were doing it silently, but now, to continue the simile, you're saying "bet you don't have the balls." Not good.

IC: Telegarm from Marcus Jones, PM of DPUO:

"We will not stand with you if you continue to goad Kahta into military action while claiming it is his aggressiveness forcing it upon you. Your readiness level remains unchanged from yesterday, but your declaration of war simply increases tensions all the further and tempts Kahta all the more strongly to reciprocate. If you do not withdraw your declaration we will withdraw all forces immediately. My people will not support a war against a stronger power for the sake of a nation that does not know when to shut up and put up, for its' own good and everbody else's!"
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:45
Look- I only did the declaration for a technical reason anyway. It's just to bring up our forces to DEFCON I. Per military protocol, wartime is the only time I can bring the military up to DEFCON I.
Praetonia
27-07-2004, 21:47
So you possibly destroyed our war effort over a technicality?
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:48
This war has been going on for days already- undeclared, anyway. I was tempted to declare war long ago. I am working on something to fix that anyway.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:50
Stand down from DEFCON 1 or we will begin pulling out our forces.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:53
Why? We are not moving towards them. We are merely going to shoot them down if they try another stunt like they have been for the last few days. (e.g., crossing my airspace and getting away with it.)
Chellis
27-07-2004, 21:53
"DPoU aircraft on our tail"

"Forget em. They wont fire."

"Roger."

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25 I-4's, or 16 groups total, were in different positions outside of sevaris waters, at about 56k feet in the air. Each group was designated with a letter, from A to O.

"Begin, vandal une"

"rgr" "copy that" "Cc"

The groups pulls a hard turn and all of them began heading into Sevaris at high speeds and high altitude, with radar detecting and missiles ready.

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To sevaris-

Why do you think Kahta said he would annex you? He didnt just wake up one day and decide it. Realize the reason he said that.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:54
I know why he said it, of course. It's because I was helping the people of Caelta preserve their freedom and their lives. So, he feels the need to smash me into slavery. Quite simple. Idiots tend to think like that.
Praetonia
27-07-2004, 21:55
OOC: Chellis you do realise that going into Sevaris = first shot.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:56
Chellis, do you really want to be held accountable for firing the first shot of this war? You and your side will be throughly discredited.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 21:56
I know why he said it, of course. It's because I was helping the people of Caelta preserve their freedom and their lives. So, he feels the need to smash me into slavery. Quite simple. Idiots tend to think like that.

You were offering the rebels economic and military support, indirectly helping kill Kahta soldiers. That sparked it. He didnt ask you your opinion, you shoved it down his throat.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:57
I don't seem to be getting through to you. YOU CANNOT WIN THIS WITHOUT YOUR ALLIES! YOUR ALLIES WILL PULL OUT IF YOU FIRE THE FIRST SHOT! Understand? I for one am about ready to go now.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:57
DPUO- at this point, it looks like I'm not firing the first shot. That rests solely on Chellis's shoulders.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 21:58
OOC: Chellis you do realise that going into Sevaris = first shot.

OOC: In your eyes. He is going to have to shoot me to do anything, as my planes arent shooting anything.

IC: We are not firing any "Shots", we dont see what you mean by this.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 21:58
DPUO- at this point, it looks like I'm not firing the first shot. That rests solely on Chellis's shoulders.

OOC: You are if you try to down my planes.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 21:58
We can only assume you will bomb. We will fire. And, you will have fired the first "Shot" by crossing into my territory intentionally.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 21:59
It's not a matter of whether they enter your airspace, it's a matter of whether you engage them when and if they do. If you do engage them without their firing first AT A TARGET then we pack up and go home.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 21:59
We can only assume you will bomb. We will fire. And, you will have fired the first "Shot" by crossing into my territory intentionally.

We have not crossed your territory at all, what are you talking about?

OOC: By the way, the planes are all armed with AA weapons, but then again I guess you dont really know that IC.
Praetonia
27-07-2004, 21:59
OOC:

1) Please do NOT reply IC to my clearly marked OOC posts.
2) Violation of air space is an act of war.
3) No one is going to win this. Why can't everyone pull out and negotiate?
Chellis
27-07-2004, 22:02
OOC:

1) Please do NOT reply IC to my clearly marked OOC posts.
2) Violation of air space is an act of war.
3) No one is going to win this. Why can't everyone pull out and negotiate?

OOC: For your number one, the IC comment was meant towards Sevaris. sorry you got confused.

2. War has already been declared on us by Sevaris, so I dont see a point in caring about that.

3. If sevaris hadnt declared bloody war on us...
Praetonia
27-07-2004, 22:03
OOC: Actually Kahta declared war before this thread was made.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:03
We did not declare war on you. We only declared war on Kahta. There's a legal difference.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 22:03
OOC: True, but he hasn't opened fire, yet.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:04
Praetonia has a point. I stated this earlier. No one listened. Why?
Chellis
27-07-2004, 22:05
OOC: Actually Kahta declared war before this thread was made.

OOC:Quote?

Also, Declaring on Kahta is declaring on me, as i am his ally here.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:06
There was no official declaration of war against Chellis. You had to declare war on us. Anyway, turn your bombers around- or we will reduce them to scrap metal.
Sarzonia
27-07-2004, 22:06
Sarzo had seen and heard enough. He picked up the phone and called Admiral Marcus Patinkin.

"Admiral Patinkin, this is the President."

Patinkin realized it was grave. If not, the President would have been much less formal.

"Yes, Mr. President?"

"Initiate full scale withdrawal from Sevaris."

"Sir! They'll surely be conquered then! And they're in the Victoria Alliance!"

"You heard me. That's an order."

Patinkin gulped. He didn't like the implication it might give the world.

"But, Mr. President, we'd lose the respect of many countries throughout the world for failing to meet our obligations to our allies."

"That's a chance we're going to have to take," Sarzo said. "There's no way Parliament is going to support this war. If the peace process had failed and Kahta and Chellis had declared war or fired the first shot, things might be different. But you are under strict orders to initiate withdrawal immediately."

"But what if Praetonia's forces are attacked?"

Sarzo sighed. He was getting really tired of Patinkin's whining. However, he made a valid point, but he also knew what Parliament would do in that case.

"We'll cross that bridge when we get there," Sarzo said. "You heard the order, Admiral. I suggest you follow it now."

Patinkin gulped. He knew Sarzo was about ready to ream him out in a few seconds if he didn't comply.

"Aye, sir."

Patinkin shut off the communications device with a heavy heart. He picked up his fleet-wide commincations device.

"All units, commence immediate withdrawal. We're heading home."

Except for standard escort aircraft, the mass of fighters launched to stand ready for defensive purposes landed and the fleet set its course for Sarzonian waters at flanking speed.

"Notify the Praetonians that we are withdrawing from the combat zone," Patinkin said. "If they're attacked, we'll be doubling back at full steam."

"Aye sir," the lieutenant responded. Patinkin slumped into his command chair and buried his face in his hands. He knew Sarzo's decisions on military action were final and there was nothing he could do about it.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 22:08
There was no official declaration of war against Chellis. You had to declare war on us. Anyway, turn your bombers around- or we will reduce them to scrap metal.

We have no bombers even in the air. We are very perplexed by your comments.

And you knew that declaring war on Kahta would require a declaration of war on you by us, so dont play stupid.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:09
We denounce the COWARDICE of the reactionary members of the Sarzonian goverment. You must see, Kahta declared war on me long ago when he announced his bid to smash me into slavery. He started this war. I will end it- with a victory for the free, democratic world.
Sarzonia
27-07-2004, 22:09
There was no official declaration of war against Chellis. You had to declare war on us. Anyway, turn your bombers around- or we will reduce them to scrap metal.

[OOC: You said Kahta and her allies. That includes Chellis.]
Praetonia
27-07-2004, 22:09
OOC: Im going to bed. Bye.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 22:10
"Sarzonia... Its retreating!"

"Bloody hell, we're good, but that good?"

"Who cares. Lets pull back for now. keep radar on and missiles armed, but head back out to the edge of Sevaris territory. See if anyone else wants to pull out."
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 22:11
The Sarzonians were forced into withdrawing by your insanity. Engage even one aircraft before it fires on an allied target and we will leave also. Final warning.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:12
I declared war on Kahta alone. I have yet to issue one against Chellis. You said, as I show here,

"25 I-4's, or 16 groups total, were in different positions outside of sevaris waters, at about 56k feet in the air. Each group was designated with a letter, from A to O.

"Begin, vandal une"

"rgr" "copy that" "Cc"

The groups pulls a hard turn and all of them began heading into Sevaris at high speeds and high altitude, with radar detecting and missiles ready.".

And,with the declaration of war, I said:
"The Republic of Sevaris formally declares war on the Kahtan Empire. "
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:13
DPUO and Sarzonia, don't you realize what you're doing? You are letting them win. This isn't just about me. This is about saving all the little nations in the world- and keeping them free. We will defend our soil. We will not fire until they cross onto our land. I will not let my land be violated.
Sarzonia
27-07-2004, 22:13
We denounce the COWARDICE of the reactionary members
of the Sarzonian goverment. You must see, Kahta declared war on me long ago when he announced his bid to smash me into slavery. He started this war. I will end it- with a victory for the free, democratic world.

Sarzo angrily picked up the phone again.

"I have already told you where my country's stance is on your reckless behavior," Sarzo said curtly. "You had allies who were ready to risk their lives and their own freedoms for you, but you have alienated this ally. You have consistently ignored the advice of several allies with regard to peace talks. We can not afford to help those who are so unwilling to help themselves. Our withdrawal order stands."

Sarzo slammed the phone down and kicked a chair over in the bunker where he was temporarily working. He grabbed a "Do Not Disturb" sign and put it on the door and slammed it shut. He was going to need space to calm down after that statement from Sevaris.
Axis Nova
27-07-2004, 22:15
Axis Nova declares it's full support for Sevaris and will send every unit of the ANAN we can spare to assist them, as well as all the supplies available.

(OOC: And don't expect to see one of those lame lists from me. You want to know what I'm sending, send out a recon flight.)

Axis Nova
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:15
"Bastards." Mannerheim slammed down the phone. "We tried for peace. Our single condition was not acceptable to them. We then had to resort to force to save our society. Sarzonia took the French approach. Bloody wonderful."
Alec then looked out his office window, and saw the new 6th fleet steaming out to assume positions near the shore. "We are willing to help ourselves. We will."
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 22:16
"If you engage any non-Sevaris or allied aircraft without the enemy firing, we will withdraw. We are prepared to defend you, but only if you are prepared to give your all to finding a diplomatic solution and not act like a superpower, which you aren't." Marcus swore as he sent the email. Lucy looked at him worriedly.
Axis Nova
27-07-2004, 22:19
Axis Nova will not engage any enemies unless we recieve an indication of hostile intent.

However, if such intent is demonstrated, we will respond with overwhelming force.

Axis Nova
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:19
*Alec sat down at his computer and typed a message*

To the DPUO:
We are trying for diplomacy. We have agreed to The Island of Rose's peace proposal. We are awaiting a repsonse from Kahta. We are trying to negotiate, but at the same time we will defend ourselves. If they cross and fly over Sevaris proper, then they will be a target for my guns. It's just as bad as attacking me in my opinion.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:20
We thank Axis Nova for helping us. Their help is most appreciated.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 22:21
I declared war on Kahta alone. I have yet to issue one against Chellis. You said, as I show here,

"25 I-4's, or 16 groups total, were in different positions outside of sevaris waters, at about 56k feet in the air. Each group was designated with a letter, from A to O.

"Begin, vandal une"

"rgr" "copy that" "Cc"

The groups pulls a hard turn and all of them began heading into Sevaris at high speeds and high altitude, with radar detecting and missiles ready.".

And,with the declaration of war, I said:
"The Republic of Sevaris formally declares war on the Kahtan Empire. "


OOC: You are a huge bloody idiot, arent ya? You cant tell the difference between actions and messages? That was things we were doing, I wasnt sending you a message telling you I was crossing your border. When I was messaging you, I was denying sending planes. God your a bloke.

IC:

"We're being ordered back in, but only group A this time... Boss wants us to provoke the Sevarians I suppose..."

And with that, 25 I-4's turned back into Sevaris, as the others exited.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 22:23
Marcus grabbed the mike and started a voice conversation. He glugged down a shot of vodka, then shouted:
"Your opinion is not important! We will not have a war started in which thousands of our men will die because you cannot suppress your self-centred pride and let them fly a few planes over you! Do you think this is how anybody in their right mind acts?! If the Soviet Union had shot down every US spy aircraft that had ventured over their border, would you be here today?! NO! So start acting like a President, and not a bloody child!" He switched off the mike and slumped back int he chair; Lucy came over and held his hand, smiling wanly. "You're doing the best you can," she said reassuringly. "It'll be alright."
Sarzonia
27-07-2004, 22:23
"Bastards." Mannerheim slammed down the phone. "We tried for peace. Our single condition was not acceptable to them. We then had to resort to force to save our society. Sarzonia took the French approach. Bloody wonderful."
Alec then looked out his office window, and saw the new 6th fleet steaming out to assume positions near the shore. "We are willing to help ourselves. We will."

[OOC: I didn't want to get involved with this because I was just coming off being in TWO F*ing wars and the primary reasons I was even in it were 1) you're in Victoria Alliance and 2) one of our closest allies Victoria Alliance or no (Praetonia) was being threatened by a superpower. When you try to force the issue by blatantly ignoring the advice of your allies, you alienate them.

If Kahta or any of the allies attacks Praetonia, you can bet your bottom dollar Sarzonia's coming right back. But your George W. Bush impression isn't the way to win friends.]
Kahta
27-07-2004, 22:24
OOC: Actually Kahta declared war before this thread was made.

When?

Where?

This is simply disgraceful. Killing 35,000 of what you claim are your own civilians INTENTIONALLY in war time is always an evil act. If the government of Katha does not cease these activities- we may have to intervene militarily. The situation is rapidly growing intolerable.

Defence Minister Paine
People's Republic of Sevaris

That was your threat to me several days ago.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:24
OOC: There's a little invention called RADAR! We had enough time to identify your planes, track them, etc.

*Anti-Air Defences all over Sevaris were activated and readied*
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:25
We're not taking the Bush approach. We're taking steps necessary to defend our soil. Why can't you see that?
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 22:26
It is not necessary to defend your soil by shooting down the aircraft of any power who ventures over it, hostile or not. If they launch their weapons, fine; if not, you are the aggressor!
Chellis
27-07-2004, 22:27
OOC: There's a little invention called RADAR! We had enough time to identify your planes, track them, etc.

*Anti-Air Defences all over Sevaris were activated and readied*

OOC: Then say you detect me with radar! Dont quote my posts, that does nothing, jesus.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:27
How are we the agressor if HOSTILE aircraft fly over, despite repeated warnings to turn back?
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:28
OOC: Ok- whatever. Irrelevant now.
Sarzonia
27-07-2004, 22:28
We're not taking the Bush approach. We're taking steps necessary to defend our soil. Why can't you see that?

[OOC: Declaring war when there was a military stand off and alienating one (and possibly as many as three allies) is very much the Bush approach. If Kahta or Chellis or anyone else supporting the two fired the first shot in this standoff, we would not be withdrawing forces right now. Your insanity is forcing us to take a step we really would rather not take.]
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:29
We're not insane. We are taking steps to defend our home. This threat is right on our door. Besides, they fired the first shots long ago- Kahta did when they announced their plans to absorb my nation.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 22:29
"We're getting awefully close to Sevaris land..."

"Bank left when we get above the coast. We're gonna follow it, and get over that port that our bombers were gonna hit before. That will scare the shit outta em"

"Cc"

And the planes headed for the coast.
Chellis
27-07-2004, 22:30
We're not insane. We are taking steps to defend our home. This threat is right on our door. Besides, they fired the first shots long ago- Kahta did when they announced their plans to absorb my nation.

After you announced your plans to intervene militarially against kahta. First shots if I can see.
Morathania
27-07-2004, 22:31
OOC: Sarzonia I think thats an insult to Bush. He wouldn't do anything as crazy and hazardous to his country as Sevaris is doing right now.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 22:32
OOC: Chellis, I think we all know that this means actual use of weapons so stop trying to get one up on him, if you would be so kind.
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:32
Not against Kahta. I was going in there on behalf of Caelta.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 22:33
Accepted. Please will all parties just agree not to kill each other?
Chellis
27-07-2004, 22:35
If the government of Katha does not cease these activities- we may have to intervene militarily.

Whether you were going to help Caelta or not, you were threatening Kahta with attacks against him, quite obviously.

OOC: Sorry DPoU, i just dont like him insinuating Kahta started the war.
Tyrandis
27-07-2004, 22:38
OOC: Kahta proclaimed a desire to do an AMF-style conquest of Sevaris, remember?
Chellis
27-07-2004, 22:39
OOC: Kahta proclaimed a desire to do an AMF-style conquest of Sevaris, remember?

And?
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 22:41
ALRIGHT! ENOUGH! How's this:

1) Kahta accepts guilt for the present situation, since Kahta moved forces toward Sevaris first.

2) Sevaris accepts guilt for intervening in the affair between Caelta and Kahta by supplying forces opposed to Kahta.

3) Both sides pay reparations of approx. 20 million dollars, for losses and inconvenience caused by the situaition.

4) Both sides withdraw to pre-war positions.

5) Kahta pledges to undertake no offensive action against Sevaris for reasons not pertaining to the safety of Kahta itself.

6) Sevaris pledges not to take offensive actions against Kahta unless Sevaris itself is threatened.

7) An internationsl Naval Force remains in place to ensure no movements by either side toward the other.

8) Kahta holds free and democratic elections within Caelta.

9) Pows to be exchanged.
Morathania
27-07-2004, 22:48
DPUO that is a very good treaty. It is fair and equal to both sides. I think that we should have a peace based on this model.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 22:49
Alright, I'm going to copy this into TIOR's thread.
Tyrandis
27-07-2004, 22:50
OOC: DPUO's treaty looks fair, although I would suggest that Sevaris pay Kahta for the shot-down F/A-18, and Kahta pay Sevaris for the economic damage the blockade caused.
Kahta
27-07-2004, 22:51
The president of Kahta answered the phone. His face grew pale. HE slow put the receiver down and said aloud in a weak, dry voice. "War has been declared on us by Sevaris." These were the words he had dreaded to hear for the past few days, he knew he was not going to fire the first shot. He was going to first issue a warning to all allied nations of Sevaris:

"Because Sevaris has declared war on us, we will now be moving towards attack against his targets. We will avoid hitting any units that are allied with Sevaris unless they fire back. We are going to be attack Sevaris' units only."

-----------------------

The klaxon sounded plainly through the night sky. The jet base roared to life, within 30 seconds every light in the base was on, and pilots were getting into their flight suits and grabbing their rations. The same thing was going on all over Kahta's airbases as their tactical and strategic bombing forces readied for action.


----------------------------------
The following forces are being launched and can be called back.

Targetting Infastructure and military installations
2,000 B-2's
900 B-1's
[5,000 Escorting F-22's]

Tactical Attacks
3,500 F-117
7,500 F-16 (Ground attack Variant)
[3,000 Escorting F-22's]

Jamming Sevaris will be 750 EA-6's

The units will be meeting up with all the possible tankers, which currently numbers 930.

If Sevaris Agrees to a temporary cease-fire I will recall my forces for a 72 hour stand down.
Grunge-France
27-07-2004, 22:52
*In the Jet Squadron in the Sevarian territorial waters:

Pilot1: Captain, the ships are indeed withdrawing, but some of them have anti-air weapons ready to take us down.
Captain Gondor: Are they crazy enough to make the first shoot?...

--Captain Gondor, this is Admiral Duran from the 3rd Armada. You have authoritsation to enter into Sevarian coastland "escorting" the Sevarian ships that have wisely decided to return home. Have your weapons chared and prepared, but do not fire, I repeat, do not fire unless you are fired. Let´s hope the Sevarians can see the difference between your Squadron of Jet Fighters with no bombs whatsoever, and our bombers that we are keeping out of these... --


Captain Gondor: Well guys, you heard it. Let´s get deeper into Sevarian waters, we will not stop until we have arrived at the coastland.

-And the 20 Jets started to escort the civilian ships that were returning to Sevaris, up to the coastland of Sevaris-


***************************************
-In The 3rd AoE2 Armada:

Admiral Duran: Well, I think now this possition can be protected by the Chellian forces. 2nd Captain! Give orders to start movilising our fleet and don´t stop until we have gone 10 kilometers into the territorial Sevarian waters. As usual, do not fire, I repeat, DO NOT FIRE without my authorisation.

-And the 3rd AoE2 Armada started to get deeper into the Sevarian waters-

****************************************

Official Communicate from the Secretary of Defense:

Sevaris has shown his real intentions: he wants an excuse to make his wish of engaging in a war with Kahta possible. Let´s all remember why we are here, we are here because Sevaris THREATENED Kahta first, when Kahta did not even had the idea of who the hell was Sevaris. Now, Sevaris is trying to fulfill its dream... and drag all of us into it, dissregarding our interests or the thousands of lives that might be vanished from the Earth due to a conflict of this size.
No, we cannot risk our brave AoE2 Regional Soldiers to the maniatic dessires of Sevaris. We defend liberty, that is why we defend Kahta. We defend honor, that is why we are supporting our allies. We defend peace, that is why, disregarding the declaration of war issued by Sevaris to Kahta, we will NOT declare war on Sevaris. We value too much the lives of our brave soldiers... soldiers with family, children, with hopes and with liberty.

The 4th AoE2 Regional Armada left the AoE2 Region some time ago as we published and is en route to Sevaris, to support the activities of the 3rd AoE2 Regional Armada. We are afraid Sevaris´maniatical decissions will commit our forces to make offensives, and we need them to be as strong as possible, based in our principle of quality not quantity.


*4TH AoE2 REGIONAL ARMADA
Lead by: Commodore Rupert Lion
“President Gallé” Nuclear Battle Carrier
“Admiral Treznev” Nuclear Battle Carrier
15 Destroyers
4 "Mistral City" Battleships
3 "Etagelieux" Battleship
15 Medium Frigates
7 Anti-air cannoners
4 Cruisiers
7 Light Frigates
7 "Palmer" Missile Frigates
80 "Riga" Heavy Bombers
80 "Golden Eagle" Jet Fighters
50 Transport ships with: The New Volstik AoE2 Regional Battalion (40,000 soldiers, 350 “Loter” Heavy Tanks and 1 artillery division)
4 Supplies vessels
3 Oil suppliers

EN ROUTE


*********

NEW RELEASE OF THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE:

Grunge-France will stick to any dispossal of Kahta regardin the new propossed threaty, and we will also accept a ceasefire (even if nobody is fighting), however, we will not change our dispossals regarding the sending of another Armada and the movements of our jets and the current Armada there UNTIL everything is solved.
We also want to add to the propossed plan of DPUO the paying of 160 million dollars to the Grunge-French Government: 30 million to pay a small part of the expenses of this movilisation and 130 million dollars to pay for the economical damage this crisis has caused.
Ever since Sevaris threatened to interfeer in Kahta, The commerce between Grunge-France and Kahta was damaged. And it was a very important damage, for we are Trade Partners. Several Grunge-French Companies established in Kahta decided to leave the country, scared something could happen there. This has damaged several commercial interests of Grunge-France and we demand PAYING for them.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 22:52
I wills ay this only once. Please give me information, both of you, pertaining to the Treaties or your aircraft will be engaged and destroyed. Both sides. my MSN is hammer_n_sickle@hotmail.com
Sevaris
27-07-2004, 22:56
We have agreed to the ceasefire. All forces are on standby until further notice.
Grunge-France
27-07-2004, 23:02
*I have edited my prior post according to the new dispossals, please read the last part of my prior post, especially you Sevaris.
-The Jets have been ordered NOT to enter into the coastland, and are returning to the carrier.
-The 3rd AoE2 Armanda is still slowly navigating into deeper Sevarian waters.
-The 4th AoE2 Armanda is still en route.
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 23:04
Grunge-France, I appeal to your humanist view to do what you can to persuade Kahta to accept peace!
Chellis
27-07-2004, 23:05
Grunge-France, I appeal to your humanist view to do what you can to persuade Kahta to accept peace!

Kahta offers peace, already. Sevaris is the one who refuses to negotiate until we stop blockading.
Barilko
27-07-2004, 23:07
We will help you agains the british federation with:

1 very young soldiers with no experience at all
2 crapy ships
3 very little food
4 loads of drunk generals (they will make speeches on how good we are doing)
DontPissUsOff
27-07-2004, 23:25
Revised Treaty, acepted by Kahta.

1) Kahta accepts guilt for exacerbating the situation, since Kahta moved forces toward Sevaris first.

2) Sevaris accepts guilt for intervening in the affair between Caelta and Kahta by supplying forces opposed to Kahta.

3) Both sides withdraw to pre-war positions.

4) Kahta pledges to undertake no offensive action against Sevaris for reasons not pertaining to the safety of Kahta itself.

5) Sevaris pledges not to take offensive actions against Kahta unless Sevaris itself is threatened.

6) An internationsl Naval Force remains in place to ensure no movements by either side toward the other.

7) DPUO accepts that the launch of the Sevaris cruise missile, though accident caused by a short circuit, was caused by poor operator use on our part, and will pay for repairs to the carrier.

8) PoWs to be exchanged.

9) Sevaris to be allowed to maintain an ICBM force. A DPUO SMF Colonel to be in each missile control bunker. If DPUO recce satellites over Sevaris' areas of worry confirm a missile launch, DPUO officers will execute the launch. To thie end we will give Sevaris 4 Early Warning Satellites, and build a local relay station to allow fast processing of incoming data.
Kahta
27-07-2004, 23:30
Revised Treaty, acepted by Kahta.

1) Kahta accepts guilt for exacerbating the situation, since Kahta moved forces toward Sevaris first.

2) Sevaris accepts guilt for intervening in the affair between Caelta and Kahta by supplying forces opposed to Kahta.

3) Both sides withdraw to pre-war positions.

4) Kahta pledges to undertake no offensive action against Sevaris for reasons not pertaining to the safety of Kahta itself.

5) Sevaris pledges not to take offensive actions against Kahta unless Sevaris itself is threatened.

6) An internationsl Naval Force remains in place to ensure no movements by either side toward the other.

7) DPUO accepts that the launch of the Sevaris cruise missile, though accident caused by a short circuit, was caused by poor operator use on our part, and will pay for repairs to the carrier.

8) PoWs to be exchanged.

9) Sevaris to be allowed to maintain an ICBM force. A DPUO SMF Colonel to be in each missile control bunker. If DPUO recce satellites over Sevaris' areas of worry confirm a missile launch, DPUO officers will execute the launch. To thie end we will give Sevaris 4 Early Warning Satellites, and build a local relay station to allow fast processing of incoming data.

We accept all terms.
Uncle Noel
28-07-2004, 00:10
Sevaris would do well to follow the example that a younger Uncle Noel was forced to set. Many years ago a nation called the High Cabal was bullied by larger nations into doing their will and Uncle Noel protested.

'How can you bully this nation?' protested Uncle Noel.
'Stand down,' came the reply, 'Or we shall invade YOU as well.'
Uncle Noel swallowed his pride. He relented and backed away from conflict and in so doing safe guarded his people. Sevaris should do well to remember that only the fool-hardy mouse dances before the cat.
Grunge-France
28-07-2004, 00:20
Uncle Noel is ruled by intelligent people, which is not the rule in Sevaris...

(that was an IC estatement, if you had any doubt)
Kahta
28-07-2004, 00:22
Uncle Noel is ruled by intelligent people, which is not the rule in Sevaris...

(that was an IC estatement, if you had any doubt)


Yes, Sevaris made that very clear when he called the president of Kahta a Jackass.
DontPissUsOff
28-07-2004, 01:20
BUMP. Sevaris, plesse get on and indicate acceptance/not of the Treaty. Check TGs before you make any decision.
Axis Nova
28-07-2004, 01:26
Kahta offers peace, already. Sevaris is the one who refuses to negotiate until we stop blockading.

Peace offered from the barrel of a gun is no peace at all.

Axis Nova
Communist Mississippi
28-07-2004, 01:34
I'm going to give added incentive for Sevaris to agree to peace.



Occ- We are considering that CM may begin mobilizing volunteers from CM Army and Republican Guard units that are interested in possibly fighting against Sevaris should he spark war.

Occ- We expect possibly 200 divisions of volunteers supported by 5 volunteer carrier groups and 5,000 volunteer aircraft.

Occ- Since these men are all volunteers, CM cannot be held responsible if they go into battle and fight Sevaris (Ie. He cannot fire cruise missiles or bomb my cities without risking open-war with CM, because CM is not attacking him. CM citizens are volunteering to go after him)


Ic- Secret: Also, the "Christian Martyrs Brigade" has pledged 20,000 Crusaders to fight against Sevaris. The main tactic used by the Martyrs brigade is suicide bombing to kill civilians.

Secret: We will begin our infilitrating the Martyrs Brigade into Sevaris to prepare for massive suicide bombing attacks in the event he tries anything funny. Also we are recruiting citizens in Sevaris to form into cells of the Brigade.
Axis Nova
28-07-2004, 01:41
OOC: The concept of a volunteer carrier group is ridiculous. No one but a major government can afford one.

Axis Nova
Communist Mississippi
28-07-2004, 01:52
OOC: The concept of a volunteer carrier group is ridiculous. No one but a major government can afford one.

Axis Nova


The government gives free weapons, training, and logistical support to volunteer groups that the government likes.
Itinerate Tree Dweller
28-07-2004, 02:00
The Emperor has agreed to sign the new treaty, if Sevaris does the same.
Sevaris
28-07-2004, 02:57
We agree to DPUO's peace treaty.
Cebat
28-07-2004, 03:02
So that means the wars off? So this thread is just 374 posts of superpower standing around saying "we'll only fire if we're fired on first". Waste of time... and i was hoping to see some fireworks.
Morathania
28-07-2004, 03:04
Well thats how it happens in the real world. Ever heard of the cold war? That was 50 years of superpowers standing around and saying that we'll only fire when fired upon.
DontPissUsOff
28-07-2004, 03:15
OOC: YES!!

IC: "We are immensely relieved to hear of Sevaris' acceptance of the Treaty. We applaud most heartily the maturity shown by both powers when it was needed the most, and hope that this will lead to a happy and prosperous future for the region." Marcus finished recording the voice message and sent it on its' way. Then he turned to Lucy, held her tight, and wept.

The Nyerushimiy

Romanov was still poring over the maps, and his ships were still waiting, poised to open fire, when the message declaring total peace came through. He turned to his bridge crew, grinning shakily, and said simply:
"Well, that's it. Steer course 288, speed twenty knots. All battlegroups to join in triple-line-abreast on my heading." As his orderes were repeated, he want out onto the bridge wing. As he did so, he saw the other ships of the 500-strong fleet begin to receive the message. Aboard several there was cheering, including the Nyerushimiy. As he watched, a pair of sailors who he knew were engaged kissed one another and waved upward to him. He smiled tiredly back, watching as the man and his wife-to-be performed a dance on the deck to the accompaniment of an accordion. Vodka was being drunk by all, apart from the helmsman. They had earnt it.

Below them, and to the West, the submarines began to steam silently home. The Typhoons stood down their constant watches and went back to peacetime operations, back into the depths to wait for the next call to action, and hope it would not come.

Romanov watched as a Grunge-French ship passed his in the distance, men waving from her graceful hull and superstructure at their former enemy. He waved back, as did his men and women. The elation was tangible. Not a few people were crying with relief. He could feel why. He picked up the satellite telephone, and told his wife that he would indeed come home to see their grandson born.
Itinerate Tree Dweller
28-07-2004, 03:18
Kahta and Sevaris have both signed the treaty. ITD forces have been ordered to return to their assigned ports. All embargoes imposed by ITD have been lifted and trade will commence as soon as the national defense grid has entered into its shutdown stage.

The Emperor of ITD urges all nations involved with this incident to return to their homes. The stipulations of the treaty should commence when all non Sevaris forces have left the Sevaris port.
Communist Mississippi
28-07-2004, 04:01
Occ- Sevaris, since I didn't tell you about this beforehand, you can ignore it if you so choose; but I think it will make for some fun.


They were both members of a sleeper cell of the Christian Martyrs Brigade movement that only had a few dozen members in Sevaris, but they were willing to act on their words.

Two men were getting on a train in the Sevaris capital. The other people getting on were all happy, cheerful, the week had ended and the commuters were going to be going home to their families. But these two men, they were unassuming, lonely, and distant, they only stood out because they attempted not to. One took a seat in the middle of the front car, the other sat in a car 3 back from his friend, and he took a seat in the rear.

The man placed his duffle bag on the seat next to him, inside was 75 lbs of C4 high explosives. Each man had a duffle bag, and they each had 75 lbs of C4 high explosives.

The train blew the warning bell and the last few stragglers ran for the door. One man slipped and fell backwards, landing on the platform, the train doors sealed and he cursed. Later he would learn just how lucky he was.

There were about 300 people on the train, it picked up speed. A small child ran up and down the isle, she stopped and stared at the man with the duffle bag. Her mother came to get her, she said, "Mommy, that man is ugly." The mother slapped her and then told the man, "I'm so sorry about her, she says things without thinking." The man smiled and said, "That's okay, I was a child once." They moved on, he saw them move to the middle car, he was somewhat relieved because he felt pity for those heathens, she was well mannered and he didn't want a well-mannered person to get killed. "No, No", what was he thinking, "They're the enemy, don't pity the enemy, never pity the enemy. This is Crusade, civilians will die, and it is inevitable."

The reason he looked so ugly is because he was dying, he had tuberculosis and it was too resistant to the medications currently available. He was 19 years old. He looked down at his watch, 2 minutes until 5:30, almost time.

He looked around, there were people talking on mobile phones, eating a light snack, catching some sleep, reading a good book. He sighed, he didn't want to kill them, but they were the enemy, they were the heathens, the unbelievers, and God demands the righteous wade through the blood of the wicked.

In the other car the 21 year old soon to be suicide bomber was ready for his mission, he knew God was on his side, God had to be on his side.

Their watches had been synchronized, and they hit 5:30. Both men stood up in their respective cars, and each shouted the same thing, "God is great! Death to the unbeliever!" then they pressed a red button and the explosives detonated.

The media footage would show a train with 4 cars destroyed, the other 5 blown off the tracks, and a twisted mass of wrecked and ruined metal all in a heap of death and blood. Pieces of bodies were scattered along the sides of the tracks.

A letter sent to the local police said, "The Christian Faithful will never stop in their crusade against evil. We will Martyr ourselves until the unbeliever is destroyed."
Chellis
28-07-2004, 06:44
Chellis will sign if number five is verbally agreed to extend to chellis.
Sevaris
28-07-2004, 12:00
OOC: CM- I'm ignoring your little thing mainly because I'm a tad busy at the moment. Plus, we're a Christian (predominately Lutheran) nation.

There was much celebration all across Sevaris when the peace treaty was signed- Celebratory gunfire, public drunkeness, etc, but no one seemed to care. 3 days of the blockae and the most military equipment staring each other down in recent history was at an end. The fleets finally turned around and headed for home.

Meanwhile- in the capital.

Premier Alec Mannerheim let out a big sigh of relief. His worst crisis yet was finally over. He then started writing a speech to give during the Victory Parade the next day.
Vollmeria
28-07-2004, 13:01
****
To: Premier Alec mannerheim
From: Ministry of Foreign affairs
subject: peace treaty

We are pleased to see an agreement is finally reached and this conflict ends. We hope this peace to last long and your nation to be safe from invaders. If you ever face a similar problem, the Empire will not hesitate to help in any way it can.

*****

*****
To: Chellis
From: Ministry of Foreign affairs
subject: peace treaty

Why should number five extend to Chellis. Sevaris poses no threat at all, they also suffered greatly in Algeria. We ask you to sign this peacetreaty and finally end this conflict.

*****
Grunge-France
28-07-2004, 18:18
-The 3rd and 4th AoE2 Armadas started to leave Sevaris. Sadly, they were not heading to hom, not yet: The Halla conflict had escalated, and they were ordered to direct to Hallad, to prevent a Hattian counter offensive. The men were sad to hear that their mission was not over, and that the only thing it had changed it was the enemy-

Message to DPUO:

Though we might crash with each other in the Hattian conlfict, this has nothing to do with it. We consider DPUO a noble nation and a trust worthing nation, and there is still sum of money who has not yet been payed to us, and that DPUO granted to pay in on behalf of Sevaris.


-The 2nd Armada, who was ordered to stay in the Kahtian coast, was ordered to leave that possition and set sail to Hallad-
DontPissUsOff
28-07-2004, 18:24
Of course. Apologies to Grunge-France for the delay. Money wired to you effective immediately. Money also wired to Kahta, while I think about it. *Grins* It's no more than the cost of an Oscar-III :). Hopefully we can try and avoid a destructive war over Hallad, as war has been avoided here.
Grunge-France
28-07-2004, 18:31
*As soon as the money was received,the Companies that sued the government and won got payed their claiming. A happy ending for my capitalistic society :)
DontPissUsOff
28-07-2004, 18:33
Heh...couldn't happen in my country...unless the state can sue itself...:?
Communist Mississippi
28-07-2004, 18:36
Heh...couldn't happen in my country...unless the state can sue itself...:?


Occ- DPUO, something very important about the peace plan, get to msn asap. Top secret.
Dor-Galen
28-07-2004, 19:09
i request to be in this to help mediate peace on my personal ship the "Fingolfin"
Chellis
28-07-2004, 20:04
To: Chellis
From: Ministry of Foreign affairs
subject: peace treaty

Why should number five extend to Chellis. Sevaris poses no threat at all, they also suffered greatly in Algeria. We ask you to sign this peacetreaty and finally end this conflict.

*****

Because our bloody ships are still right outside Sevaris waters, 8 battle groups of them, and we wont leave until its ammended. We wont blockade, but if sevaris wants 8 fully functional battle groups right outside his waters, then he can not agree to ammend it.
DontPissUsOff
28-07-2004, 20:05
Oh right, so you want another clause which states that "Sevaris will not undertake offensive action against Chellis unless the latter threatens the safety of the former, and that Chellis will reciprocate this policy?"
Sevaris
28-07-2004, 20:18
Chellis, if you do not agree to the terms of this treaty, then a state of war will still exist between Chellis and Sevaris. If you want your ships to be blown out of the water, fine, but, if you want peace, please sign the treaty.
Axis Nova
29-07-2004, 01:34
Because our bloody ships are still right outside Sevaris waters, 8 battle groups of them, and we wont leave until its ammended. We wont blockade, but if sevaris wants 8 fully functional battle groups right outside his waters, then he can not agree to ammend it.

If he isn't blockading, then I suggest all parties ignore his fleet and he can let it sit there till it rots if he wants to. If there's peace between Sevaris and kahta, then Chellis has no reason to be in the area (except so far as he wants to waste supplies, time, and money keeping them there for no reason).

Axis Nova
Sevaris
29-07-2004, 01:35
The war is over. Finished.
Kahta
29-07-2004, 01:43
Chellis, if you do not agree to the terms of this treaty, then a state of war will still exist between Chellis and Sevaris. If you want your ships to be blown out of the water, fine, but, if you want peace, please sign the treaty.


"This is pure idiocy doesnt he realize he will be destroyed and this macho tough guy talk is just like the Bush Administration?" President MacDonald punched the wall, making his right hand bloody and scraped. He didnt know what to do.
Morathania
29-07-2004, 01:45
OOC: Please stop ripping on Mr. Bush. At least he only takes on people he can defeat. He isn't endangering his own country. He's not taking on a country the size of China and the United States combined.
Axis Nova
29-07-2004, 02:43
OOC: Please stop ripping on Mr. Bush. At least he only takes on people he can defeat. He isn't endangering his own country. He's not taking on a country the size of China and the United States combined.

OOC: He is kinda justified here. Chellis seems determined to provoke a war so that he has an excuse to attack Sevaris.

Axis Nova
Chellis
29-07-2004, 02:47
Oh right, so you want another clause which states that "Sevaris will not undertake offensive action against Chellis unless the latter threatens the safety of the former, and that Chellis will reciprocate this policy?"

This is exactly what chellis wants, and will fully withdraw from Sevaris if it gets this.
DontPissUsOff
29-07-2004, 03:15
President MacDonald, please calm down. I believe that the final remaining issue with Sevaris can be resolved, and peace return to your region.

President Mannerheim: will you accept the proposed amendment regarding Chellis?
Itinerate Tree Dweller
29-07-2004, 03:26
The Emperor of ITD believes this to be a matter between Chellis and Sevaris.
This amendment would put the treaty at risk, if adopted. If either of the two nations were to violate that clause, the entire treaty would be endangered.

ITD encourages Chellis and Sevaris to settle this seperately, perhaps as a seperate treaty or agreement.
Itinerate Tree Dweller
29-07-2004, 03:31
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Chellis
29-07-2004, 03:40
The Emperor of ITD believes this to be a matter between Chellis and Sevaris.
This amendment would put the treaty at risk, if adopted. If either of the two nations were to violate that clause, the entire treaty would be endangered.

ITD encourages Chellis and Sevaris to settle this seperately, perhaps as a seperate treaty or agreement.

If Chellis or Sevaris violate it, it will be a matter between Sevaris and Chellis.
DontPissUsOff
29-07-2004, 13:11
On reflection, ITD's Emperor has hit the nail on the head. We would urge Chellis and Sevaris to negotiate a separate non-aggression Pact, so as not to disturb the peace now regining between Sevaris and Kahta.
Sevaris
29-07-2004, 13:15
To be frank, Why does Chellis get anything from this treaty? As far as I'm concerned, they were not an active participant. He destroyed nothing of mine, I destroyed nothing of his.
DontPissUsOff
29-07-2004, 13:16
Please, if you wish to hammer this out with Chellis, do it somewhere else. The last thing we need is another stand-off.
Sevaris
29-07-2004, 13:28
I'm just saying, he should agree to the peace treaty accepted by myself and Kahta.
Uncle Noel
29-07-2004, 18:42
I'm beginning to wonder if it was worth the efforts of so many in protecting your honour when you seem so determined to go the 'strong man' route.

When you're the size of Chellis, you can threaten to sink any ship that comes into your waters. I'm happy to fight for the underdog, but not when the underdog is determined to get himself invaded.
Camewot
29-07-2004, 18:47
Are you aware that the Victoria Alliance backs him up?
He should play the strong man, he is
DontPissUsOff
29-07-2004, 19:09
So your alliance backs needless offensive actions, arrogance, over-confidence and intransigence?
Chellis
30-07-2004, 00:46
If this is the position that sevaris is going to take, we are going to keep our 8 fleets in international waters. If some of our planes happen to go over merchant ships and hit them, that will probably be accidental.
DontPissUsOff
30-07-2004, 00:53
Chellis, please. We will work on a solution with Sevaris.
Morathania
30-07-2004, 00:53
Well what I see is that both sides are trying to lure each other into the trap of striking first, which neither country is willing to do. Therefore what we have no is a kind of cold war were we have two countries each trying to be more agressive and increase his stature in an attempt to get the other country to attempt a first strike. A first attack so to speak. So unless both nations back down it will be inpossible to resolve. This is not entirely Sevaris's fault nor is it entirely Chellis's either. Both through threats and posturing have been trying to provoke a first attack.
Grunge-France
30-07-2004, 01:14
-Grunge-France has already withdrew from this conflict for the Kahtan issue has been worked out. However, should a state of war between Chellis and Sevaris appeared AND Sevaris called for the aid of his allies, we will back up Chellis for we consider him a friend-
DontPissUsOff
30-07-2004, 01:20
Sevaris: Again, will you please accept that clause? It does not affect your freedom of action apart from meaning that you cannot launch a war of aggression against Chellis - which was accoridng to you never intended - and prevent Chellis from doing likewise. It is not in any way against you.
Sevaris
30-07-2004, 01:21
In the interest of ending this, I have agreed to accept the clause. It really means nothing serious anyway. Chellis stays out of my business- I stay out of his.

Premier Alec Mannerheim
Grunge-France
30-07-2004, 01:27
So then I think everything it is over... a war avoided by the good disposal of the interested parts and the superb job of DPUO.
Grunge-France officially declares that as far as we are corncerned this crisis over.
DontPissUsOff
30-07-2004, 01:27
Then....we have...peace?
Sevaris
30-07-2004, 01:28
I suppose so.
DontPissUsOff
30-07-2004, 01:28
Why thankyou, Grunge-France. Not all Communists do not care about human life.

OOC: Oh yes! I AM the peacemaker! :D
Sevaris
30-07-2004, 01:29
You are to be credited for coming up with the right treaty. You will be invited to our Victory Parade in Kalinsburg.
McLeod03
30-07-2004, 01:30
OOC: Damn it. I never got to launch my little surprise. Although i could launch anyway.....
Sevaris
30-07-2004, 01:31
Don't do it. We just finished one conflict. I've other business to attend to anyway- such as allegations about my sex life.

Premier Alec Mannerheim.
DontPissUsOff
30-07-2004, 01:32
Many, many thanks, President. I assure you my wife and I will travle there and view the parade personally!
McLeod03
30-07-2004, 01:33
OOC: Nice way of responding to an OOC post ICly. So i'll just pretend it didn't happen. Anyway, i could launch, and you'd never know who it was. Or at least, you'd never be able to prove it.
Sevaris
30-07-2004, 01:33
There's a little invention called GPS.
Itinerate Tree Dweller
30-07-2004, 01:35
The Emperor examines a copy of the revised treat, contemplating each clause carefully, always with a grim face. The Emperor would have much sooner accepted the prior treaty. This new clause would be of much danger to this delicate peace that has been formed.

A royal advisor walks into the throne room.

"My Lord, we are ready to transmit the message to the other nations." the advisor said.

"We best not keep them waiting. Get ready to transmit on my mark." said the Emperor with a brief pause at the end. "Transmit"

"Fellow nations. I give my reluctant support to this new clause. I still persist that it should have been a seperate treaty, but it is not to be. My military forces are no longer in the area of Sevaris, so I expect this to be one of my last transmissions on this subject. ITD Out."

And the transmission ended.
McLeod03
30-07-2004, 01:40
The three EB-3s turned off station and began to head home. As it left, one released a single SAGM-37NL Screamer missile from its bay, heading away from Sevaris. The missile, barely detectable on radar, fell to a little over 200 ft above the sea before heading due south for two minutes flying time, then turning back towards Sevaris on a course nowhere near the McLeodian aircraft. It was untraceable, even by GPS. It was a little over 400 miles out when it turned back in, so should be in range within ten minutes.
Chellis
30-07-2004, 02:07
Chellis is glad that sevaris has agreed to this final act of peace, and chellian naval assets are returning to either their posts in the pacific, or Chellian Mobica.
Itinerate Tree Dweller
30-07-2004, 04:10
The three EB-3s turned off station and began to head home. As it left, one released a single SAGM-37NL Screamer missile from its bay, heading away from Sevaris. The missile, barely detectable on radar, fell to a little over 200 ft above the sea before heading due south for two minutes flying time, then turning back towards Sevaris on a course nowhere near the McLeodian aircraft. It was untraceable, even by GPS. It was a little over 400 miles out when it turned back in, so should be in range within ten minutes.


OOC: It seems something big is going to develop, so I am going to make a preimptive response to the McLeod3 attack. [if nothing happens, then disregard.] I am going on vacation... so im gonna be gone for a few days.

The Emperor of ITD deplores the incident, but regrets that he cannot intervene or participate.
-Emperor, ITD
McLeod03
30-07-2004, 04:55
OOC: It seems something big is going to develop, so I am going to make a preimptive response to the McLeod3 attack. [if nothing happens, then disregard.] I am going on vacation... so im gonna be gone for a few days.

The Emperor of ITD deplores the incident, but regrets that he cannot intervene or participate.
-Emperor, ITD

OOC: What incident? Has anything been hit yet? Nope. Has the missile done anything except fly yet? Nope.

IC: The King wishes to know which incident it was that is being deplored?
Itinerate Tree Dweller
30-07-2004, 06:10
ooc: i just posted that cause im not gonna be around for a few days
Sevaris
30-07-2004, 12:00
I only agreed to the Chellis clause because he is a blowhard, and would not back down unless I agreed to it. It means nothing in my mind anyway.

Meanwhile......
*Missile Defence systems spotted a little blip on radar. They knew it was not one of theirs, so they activated their systems, ready to fire when they found out more about it.
McLeod03
30-07-2004, 13:06
OOC: I have no idea how you spotted that one tiny little dot, seing as how its about 200 miles away, is RAM coated, and designed to be extremely hard to detect, but who cares?

IC: The missile, now some 200 miles from the Sevarisian coast, activated. Inside the delicate body, heavy duty transmitters began to broadcast false radar target information back to the Sevarisian radars. All of a sudden, one tiny little blip became nearly a hundred, all racing towards the Sevarisian shoreline. The Sevarisians, of course, would have no idea these were fake targets. As far as they knew, these were attack aircraft heading straight for their country at close to 600 knots.
Sevaris
30-07-2004, 13:11
*Missile Command was very confused. 100 missiles had appeared out of nowhere. It was too fantastic to make any sense. It didn't. So, they sent out a flight of MiG-29s to investigate. Perhaps McLeod was trying to decieve them, perhaps not. Missile Command eagerly awaited the report from the MiGs.
McLeod03
30-07-2004, 13:14
The targets rapidly closed in on the country, dipping low into the ground clutter, flickering realisitically like intermittant targets, before even splitting into groups, and heading towards major military installations near to the coast.

OOC: How could you possibly know it was me ICly? Stealth aircraft 400 miles away launches a stealthy missile that approaches from a completely different vector than both my country and my aircraft even if you could find them.
Sevaris
30-07-2004, 13:16
OOC: That was a slipup. I forgot I did not know who it was yet.

*The MiGs spread out and scanned. It seemed that many of the missiles were illusions. However, they got readings of other real missiles.*
McLeod03
30-07-2004, 13:20
OOC: Eh? What makes your Mig-29 radars more advanced than your ground based ones? Infra-red would prove them fake, but you'd have to get fairly close. Oh well, never mind.


IC: The groups began to head rapidly towards their targets. The Screamer itself began a slow circle back out to sea, ready to ditch when it felt its mission had been accomplished.
Sevaris
30-07-2004, 13:24
OOC: They did get fairly close.....they had to. Infrared is all that would've worked.

*A confused Missile Command, even though they couldn't establish whether or not the missiles were real, fired their ABMs.*
McLeod03
30-07-2004, 13:29
IC: On detecting the massive ABM launch, the Screamer climbed to almost two thousand feet before executing a ballistic and very terminal dive into the ocean below. Its job was done, causing enough panic amongst the Sevarisians to cause them to waste hundreds of millions of dollars worth of ABM missiles firing at thin air. As the missile hit the water, every false target disappeared just as quickly as they had arrived.

OOC: Now imagine what would of happened if i'd launched ten of those over a fleet. Chaos. Utter chaos. Credit for the idea has to go to Dale Brown, a fantastic fiction author for anyone interested in modern aviation technology.
Sevaris
30-07-2004, 14:15
An enraged Mannerheim ranted about this: "YOU MEAN TO TELL ME WE WASTED $75 MILLION WORTH OF ABMs ON FALSE TARGETS? GOD DAMN THEM!"