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Kahta has announced its intentions to annex Sevaris into its empire. We will not let them succeed, however, we can't do the job alone. We need friends/allies to aid us in our life and death struggle against the forces of tyranny that would enslave us. I have already started the draft, and we are mobilizing our forces for possible war with Kahta.

"Now, may God bless you all, and may he defend the right, for it is evil things that we should be fighting against, and against them, I am certain that the right will prevail."- Neville Chamberlain.

Premier Alec Mannerheim
Republic of Sevaris.

Much as we may regret it, we cannot let such imperialism go unheeded. We will therefore commence moving the 3rd and 22d Motor-Rifle Divisions and the 12th Tank Division to Sevaris. Fourth Airborne Division will also be flown in. ETA for the 4AD is 12 (NS) hours, for the MRDs and TD 12(RL) hours. Spetznaz units are ready to move when you need them. Also, we will place Long-Range aviation on alert. We have 10 regiments of Tu-160s loaded with AS-15 ASMs ready for launch. Finally, we will send two SAGs and a CVBG to your aid also.

While the intelligence services in the UK are not really taking Kahta very seriously as a threat, PM Bull has mentioned in passing that Britain will not stand for unjustified aggression against the nation, government, or people of Sevaris.

If you accept my offer, I'll in 100 Regular Army Infantry Divisions and 10 Parachute Divisions.

(Occ- I need to get as much of my regular army out of Mississippi because the danger of a coup is very high. After the shock of the defeat at Firebase Fabus blows over, well then the army will fall right back into line. It's natural they are a little angry, their comrades were sent into a foreign war and lost.)

Prime Minister Ian McKinney's speech to the Octovonian people:

The Republic of Octovonia will not respect any Kahtan claim on Sevaris. We endowe are full support to Sevaris and will provide military assisstance if need be. We will no longer stand to see sovereign nations fall under the control of imperialistic empires.

*the massive crowd of hundreds of thousands begins to yell the Octovonian call to arms: "Victoy or Death!".

We thank you both for your aid.

We have mobilized 115 Infantry divisons and 43 Armored divisions so far. We have 4 fleets at our disposal, and a large air force. Kahta will regret the day they ever dreamed of annexing Sevaris.

Paine
Minister of Defence, Republic of Sevaris.

Premier Alec Mannerheim
Republic of Sevaris

Dimmimar pledges support for Sevaris. Death to the imperialists!

To Octovonia, Communist Mississippi, and Dimmimar- We accept your offers of aid.

To Kahta- Do you really want to take us now? You'd be throwing your divisions against an unbreakable wall of free armies and free people.

Suppose you are having a civil war in your nation, with a region trying to separate from the mainland. You try to deal with it, trying to control the uprising, you are aware that the rebels may consider using terrorism against you, and THEN, another nation says "oh, you must let them be free, and we will interfeer in your state matters and will grant the freedom of that rebels".

Well, that´s the situation: Kahta was having NATIONAL problems, and Sevaris threatened him with an intervention. That is why Kahta has answered in a hostile way, because another nation is trying to interfeer in his national issues.

Don´t let Sevaris fool you. He is the bully, he´s trying to make himself look as a victim, though he is the one who is trying to invade Kahta. Kahta has NO intention of attacking Sevaris as long as Sevaris lets him control HIS NATIONAL PROBLEMS.

The Humanist Republic of Grunge-France understands this situation, and we have already dispatched a force to Kahta, to prevent any imperialistic attack on him: Sevaris is the one trying to interfeer in Kahta, not the other way around. Don´t be a part of it, becuase Grunge-France WILL defend the sovereignty of Kahta at ALL COST.

Orgasmicum seeks for a peaceful way to end the dispute.

understood?

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ok can either of you provide a link to posts that prove this either way?

Tenarius is disgusted by this blatant imperialism. We urge Kahta to back down else we will put our support behind Sevaris' government.

If he continues, we will donate the 7th Royal Army to defend Sevaris.

The 7th Royal Army:

7 Regular Infantry Divisions
4 Regular Armoured Divisions
3 Regular Airmobile Divisions
1 Regular Royal Guard Division

All Tenarius Infantry are elite and well armed, the Royal Guard even more so. We will not back down; if further agression is shown, we will not hesitate to call in up to 2 more armies to support Sevaris.

Lies. Kahta, against the wishes of the inhabitants of Caelta, annexed that nation, and proceeded to kill, maim, rape, etc. many of its inhabitants. There were so many violations of human rights it was just not funny. We are not the bully. We are standing up for the people of Caelta- who are trying to resist occupation and enslavement by the people of Kahta. We had no intention of attacking Kahta directly, merely going into Caelta to aid the international mission. However, Kahta is willing to take us- this is an exact quote from him: "I am going to add your country to my empire". See? We are fighting for our way of life. You are stupid to side with the Kahtan imperialists, Grunge-France.

Premier Alec Mannerheim
Republic of Sevaris.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341947&page=1

If Sevaris wasn´t willing to interfeer in Kahta, NOTHING would happen. There will be no invation if Sevaris does not invade first Kahta, that´s all. This is just a propagandistic move of the Sevarian government.

Attacking Kahta is not only an attack on our friend: Kahta is an important importer of Grunge-French products, we have an Trade Agreement, several Grunge-French companies have money invested there. Attacking Kahta is A DIRECT agression against Grunge-France. That is why we will not hesitate in movilising the entire AoE2 Regional Army in its defense.

Yes, in its defense, for Kahta is the nation threatened, not the other way around.

having viewed the topic that started this conflict it is clear that Sevaris started this and so we urge sevaris to back down over this.

Meanwhile we will send 10 divisions of our finest troops to kahta, along with 2 divisions of tanks

We are being threatened. Kahta is far larger than we are. And plus, we were not intervening in Kahta, we were intervening in Caelta. We recognize Caelta as a soveriegn nation. We never made any threats about invading Kahta- just to aid in the international effort to liberate Caelta. It is Kahta who is making imperialist noise, not us.

By the way- You are aiding Kahta mainly because of Economy? Shame.

Nevertheless, if you attack us, we will defend and send you right back into the sea.

Premier Alec Mannerheim.

The free people of Kapitula have heard news of the strife facing the world and have begun their vigil of faith.
As we speak, many different groups within it's borders have organized to stop this bloodshed.
Buddhists are currently undertaking a one week fast while meditating & chanting at the mountain top monestary. Christains have started their prayer vigil at the basillica. The pagans have held circle to generate peaceful energy for the region, and have passed out candles charged with positive energy for all citizens to burn for one full week. The muslims are praying for peace as well. Every faithful citizen of the Theocracy of Kapitula is doing their part to stop a war from breaking out, and remain confident that a peaceful resolution may be reached.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The UK consulate to Grunge-France (assuming such exists, if not then a neutral embassy shall be used to convey the message) has requested proof or even evidence of Sevaris' intention to attack Kahta. As a fellow Commonwealth member, the UK has heard no offensive call to arms from Sevaris, only a quite reasonable request for aid in its own defence against clearly stated Kahta intent to aggression.

D 97 HMS Edinburgh, a Type 42 destroyer, has left port, bound for Sevaris. The official purpose is a brief visit to a port in the new Commonwealth nation before the Edinburgh's final withdrawl from service, but it clearly indicates British solidarity with the threatened state.

We thank the UK for showing solidarity with its Commonwealth brother-in-arms.

After several days of deliberation, we are moving orbital and submersible forces into the area to retaliate against whichever nation is ultimately determined to be the aggressor.

Sevaris has yet to act in any way aggressively toward Kahta itself. Furthermore Sevaris has been threatened with conquest. Sevaris will therefore be defended.

If you accept my offer, I'll in 100 Regular Army Infantry Divisions and 10 Parachute Divisions.

(Occ- I need to get as much of my regular army out of Mississippi because the danger of a coup is very high. After the shock of the defeat at Firebase Fabus blows over, well then the army will fall right back into line. It's natural they are a little angry, their comrades were sent into a foreign war and lost.)

Please recall your units or I will drop my support of your african colonies.

After several days of deliberation, we are moving orbital and submersible forces into the area to retaliate against whichever nation is ultimately determined to be the aggressor.

OOC: Future tech?

IC: We shall keep an eye on this situation. If push comes to shove, we would intervene on Kahta's behalf.

To Premier Fabus:

We urge you not to withdraw support from us. We'll help you with maintaining law and order in your colonies if you need as such. Besides- isn't it important to stop the Kahtans from enslaving yet another people?

To Premier Fabus:

We urge you not to withdraw support from us. We'll help you with maintaining law and order in your colonies if you need as such. Besides- isn't it important to stop the Kahtans from enslaving yet another people?


Enslaving? What are you talking about?

Caelta. You've raped, massacred, maimed, and done God knows what else to that land and its people. We will not become the next Caelta.

--The UK Consulate in Grunge-France has already received the proof of what we are saying (check in the first page for the link).--


We urge all the nations not to fall in the propagandistic plan of Sevaris: He wants you to fight a possible war that HE has made possible and a conflict that HE started and that HE will be the only one getting benefits.

We of the Mikosolf Corperation will watch these tensions with interest, furthermore we wish to remind anyone that our PM is available for use if need be (at the right price).

How will he succeed? The units being sent are to be employed for defence only. They even have to receive permision from High Command before they can open fire, unless fired upon themselves. (N.B. for those thinking of jamming the communications, should that happen their orders are to open fire anyway.)

I want nothing but peace, security, and freedom for all our peoples from Kahta. I do not believe in wars of conquest.

Caelta. You've raped, massacred, maimed, and done God knows what else to that land and its people. We will not become the next Caelta.

This was an order of General Zhukov, not the government of Kahta, while Zhukov will be punished, he is far too valuble to allow to leave the high command.

Letting mass murderers stay in your General Staff? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

I want nothing but peace, security, and freedom for all our peoples from Kahta. I do not believe in wars of conquest.

This is not a war of conquest, it is defense against overly aggressive nations.

OOC: Future tech?

IC: We shall keep an eye on this situation. If push comes to shove, we would intervene on Kahta's behalf.

OOC: Nonsense - we simply applied our modern-era space program toward military goals, and instead of going to the moon and such we sent orbital missile installations into space.

Letting mass murderers stay in your General Staff? Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Yes, he is too valubale to kill. He is also the leader of a small russian population in Kahta.

If this is not a war of conquest, then why have you announced your intent to add me to your Empire?

On board the SSGN KNS Severomorsk

Undisclosed location, Sevarisian Territorial Waters

22:00 Zulu

Master Chief Petty Officer Kenneth Haverson appeared in the radio room's doorway. Haverson was the COB and currently had the radio room watch.

"Commander, incoming EAM recieved."

"Thank you, Master Chief."

Lieutenant Commander Jacob Lovell was the ship's executive officer.

"COB, you have the conn. I'm going back to radio."

"I have the conn, aye, sir."

When Lovell arrived in the ship's radio room, he found it a beehive of activity.

The ship's Captain, Garrett McKay, was already present.

"Captain. Have a nice nap?"

"Could've used a little more time," replied McKay, offhandedly chewing on a non-regulation cigar.

A senior chief petty officer was busy extracting the message from the EAM printer, while a midshipman was operating the radio buoy controls.

The senior chief handed McKay the dispatch. Lovell, meanwhile, returned to the bridge.

"Chief of the Boat, I have the conn."

"XO has the conn, aye, sir," answered Haverson.

"Exec, I don't think you're gonna like this," said Captain McKay, emerging from the radio room. He handed the dispatch over to Commander Lovell.

Lovell read the message once, and handed it back to McKay.

"You have the conn. Get us on station ASAP," ordered the Captain.

"Aye, sir. Set coordinates for navAlpha." He grabbed the periscope pedestal handle and swung around to look at the helm station.

"Helm, come left to course three-five-zero. Dive, make your depth one thousand feet. We're going to pay some friends a visit."

*A Sevarian destroyer spotted the sub on radar and sent a message.*

Attention Kelanian sub- you are in Sevarisian waters. Please state your business.

i satica will help with this plan...i love war and evil so the other place will not survive...plz telegram me with more info....
thanks satan

Whose side are you on?

OOC: You don't spot subs on radar, you use sonar. And you'd have to be damn close to find a Kelanisian sub. They're very quiet. :) Also- you can't send normal radio messages to submarines unless they are surfaced or have an antenna up.

IC:
"Jesus Christ, he's right on top of us!" cried the chief sonarman of the watch. "Twin-screw ship, sounds like a destroyer, close aboard to port!"

"Flood main ballast tanks! Make your depth fifteen hundred feet! Maneuvering, make turns for five knots."

The sub slid deeper into the water, and like a ghost, vanished from the sonar screens.

The Victoria Alliance and all of it's members are treaty bound to stand by and defend a member nation under threat. Therefore we shall.

If this is not a war of conquest, then why have you announced your intent to add me to your Empire?

Because after I win a war, I annex that country into my empire.

We'll fight to the last man. You'll never take our freedom.

Take Sevaris and you'll have to take me!

Please recall your units or I will drop my support of your african colonies.


Occ- You'll be pleasantly surprised by what my units do when they get there.

You wouldn't......

You wouldn't......


Wouldn't what?

Occ- I'm sure I wouldn't if you'd stop attempting to oppose my ambitions in Africa.

We have decided to withdraw our objections with regards to your policies in Africa. It's up to you, and I imagine you wouldn't perform any racial cleansing anyway.

We have decided to withdraw our objections with regards to your policies in Africa. It's up to you, and I imagine you wouldn't perform any racial cleansing anyway.


Okay.


I will remain neutral because I don't want to harm either side in this conflict.

I like you both.


I will allow my CM based PMC (Mercenaries) to be hired out to the highest bidder.



Tactical Solutions: Specializes in surgical strikes against specific enemy targets. Employs 5,000 operatives. Price 1 billion dollars per month, may increase if risk increases.

Strategic Solutions: Specializes in essentially providing an entire army for the client. Employs 27 divisions of operatives. 4 Paratrooper divisions, 4 armored divisions, 6 mobile infantry divisions, and 13 heavy infantry divisions. About 550,000 soldiers by the time you tally up the crews and such. Cost 300 billion dollars per month.

Airpower Unlimited: Specializes in providing fighters to gain air superiority. Employs 1,000 MiG-31s, 2,000 F-16s, 1,000 F-14s, and 500 F-35s. Price 200 billion dollars per month.

Death From Above: Specializes in bombers and close air support. Employs 300 B-52s, 1,000 A-10s, 3,000 Su-25s, and 2,000 Mi-24s. Cost 100 billion dollars per month.

The Yacht Club: Specializes in naval warfare. 6 Ohio SSBN, 18 Los Angeles attack submarines. 8 Oliver Hazard Perry, 12 Arleigh Burke, 18 Kirov CGN, 2 Fabus Class Super Carriers (Nimitz just renamed) (50 F-14Ds. 15 F/A 18 Hornets. 20 Rafale M). Cost 500 billion dollars per month.


Notice all the divisions of the strategic solutions are organized on standard CM organization.

We will offer you $175 million for their services.

We will offer you $175 million for their services.


Their prices and specs are posted above.

**********
Intel Scan - Cycle 2907172
Summary - Possible conflict between Kahta and Sevaris
Command - Monitor. Possible diplomatic channel to Grunge-France
Priority - Medium medium
**********

To: Grunge-France Diplomats
From: Vrak Diplomatic Corps
Subject: possible conflict

It has been a long time. We've noticed that you seem to have some trouble in your area. Although we are loathe to meddle in such affairs, we want you to know that if things become dire, we may be able to divert some manpower to defend your lands. However, we've been tied up with Tersanctus and Drakonia lately.

Just keeping in touch.

Sorry. We're withdrawing our bid at the current time- we've got other things to spend money on. Namely, turning our homeland into a fortress to repel the Kahtan hordes that will try to conquer us.

<Encrypted Transmission>
To: PMC
From: MAFCC

We will pay you triple your normal rates to support the Kahtans for the remainder of the conflict.

<Encrypted Transmission>
To: PMC
From: MAFCC

We will pay you triple your normal rates to support the Kahtans for the remainder of the conflict.


Coded Reply:

From: Strategic Solutions CEO

To: MAFCC

"We will fight for whichever side can pay our prices. You're offering 900 billion for our services? Then, we shall deploy our forces to fight on the side of Kahta. Note that all PMC operations are based on standard CM force organization as 95% of us are ex-servicemen."



Occ- Search for my posts on what the army structure is. Or I'll just post it here.



Mississippi Defense Forces could include any of the following. Royal Army (Regular Army), Republican Guard, Republican Guard Internal Security Army, Popular Army, Mississippian Kriegs Marine (Navy), Mississippian Coast Guard, Mississippian Imperial Air Force, White Knights of Mississippi Paramilitary Units, Department of Internal Security Domestic Intelligence Branch, Secret Police, Secret Services, National Police.


Standard rifle for all infantry is the XM8 and OICW.

Standard sidearm for all ranks is the M-1911-A1 .45 caliber pistol.

Standard weapon for all vehicle crews, pilots, and tank crews is the MP5A3 sub-machine gun.

Standard 155mm howitzer for any airmobile or airborne units is the XM777 Lightweight 155mm howitzer (LW155).

Standard 155mm towed howitzer for infantry units is the G-5 155mm.

Standard Squad Automatic Weapon is the M-249 SAW

Royal Army of the Kingdom of Communist Mississippi


Republican Guard units: Approximately 1,973,050 soldiers in the Republican Guard (Counting vehicle crews, tank crews, IFV and APC crews, artillery crews, and AA weapon crews) (Excluding Mi-24 and other helicopter crews)

30 Republican Guard Armored Divisions (Each 18,000 Republican Guard Panzer Grenadiers, 500 T-98 Tanks, 2,250 BMP-3s, 300 G-6 155mm SPA, 200 SA-19 Mobile SAM, and assorted reconnaissance vehicles)

1st Division= “Judgment Day” (Drawn from Neshoba County)
2nd Division= “The White Knights of Mississippi” (Drawn from WKM members from any county)
3rd Division= “Crusader’s Sword” (Drawn from the orders of warrior priests)
4th Division= “Armageddon” (Drawn from the CM Clergy and monastic orders)
5th Division= “Fabus’s Storm Troopers” (Drawn from Jackson City)
6th Division= “Sword of Justice” (Drawn from Jackson City)
7th Division= “Steel Fists” (Drawn from Hinds County)
8th Division= “Brethren of the Sword” (Drawn from Central Germany and former Prussia)
9th Division= “Knights of Christ” (Drawn from Various European ancestry)
10th Division= “The Order of St. John” (Drawn from CM Clergy and monastic orders)
11th Division= “The Knights of Calatrava” (Drawn from Spanish and Portuguese)
12th Division= “The Knights of Santiago” (Drawn from Spanish)
13th Division= “Cossacks” (Drawn from Ukrainians)
14th Division= “God’s Wrath” (Drawn from the CM clergy and monastic orders)
15th Division= “Fire and Brimstone” (Drawn from the CM clergy and monastic orders)
16th Division= “Hapsburg” (Drawn from Spanish and Austrians)
17th Division= “Valois” (Drawn from French)
18th Division= “Bourbon” (Drawn from French)
19th Division= “Charles V” (Drawn from Austrians and Spanish)
20th Division= “The Holy Roman Empire” (Drawn from those of the territories of the former HRE)
21st Division= “Urban II” (Drawn from citizens of the city of Rome)
22nd Division= “The Christian Crusade” (Drawn from those who had ancestors that were crusaders)
23rd Division= “Crusading Christendom” (Drawn from those with French Ancestors)
24th Division= “Julius II” (Drawn from citizens of the city of Rome)
25th Division= “Risorgimento” (Drawn from Italians)
26th Division= “Giuseppe Garibaldi” (Drawn from Sicilians)
27th Division= “Otto Von Bismarck” (Drawn from German speaking whites from Namibia and Tanzania)
28th Division= “Leopold II” (Drawn from those with Belgian Ancestry)
29th Division= “Hohenzollern” (Drawn from those with Prussian ancestors)
30th Division= “Fabus Junge” (Drawn from CM youth)


20 Republican Guard Internal Security Divisions (RGISD) (Each 18,000 Republican Guard Panzer Grenadiers, 100 T-98 Tanks, 1,125 BMP-3s, 100 G-6 155mm SPA, 50 SA-19 Mobile SAM, and assorted reconnaissance vehicles)

1st Division= “The Black shirts” (Drawn from CM urban party supporters)
2nd Division= “The Empire” (Drawn from CM urban party supporters)
3rd Division= “White Tigers” (Drawn from CM rural dwellers)
4th Division= “Nocturnal Predator” (Drawn from CM rural woodsmen)
5th Division= “Tiger Sharks” (Drawn from CM coastal dwellers)
6th Division= “The Templars” (Drawn from White Christians from Israel and Syria)
7th Division= “Giulio Cesare” (Drawn from Italians)
8th Division= “Conte di Cavour” (Drawn from Italians)
9th Division= “Pax Romana” (Drawn from Italians)
10th Division= “Legion de España” (Drawn from those of Spanish ancestry)
11th Division= “God’s Faithful” (Drawn from the CM clergy)
12th Division= “Fedayeen Fabus” (Drawn from White Christians from Turkey)
13th Division= “Flaming Scimitar” (Draw from White Christians from Turkey)
14th Division= “The Immortals” (Drawn from White Christians from Persia)
15th Division= “Barbarossa” (Drawn from Catholic Austrians)
16th Division= “Frederick I” (Drawn from Catholic Austrians)
17th Division= “Sanctum Sanctorum” (Drawn from White Christians from Israel)
18th Division= “The New Covenant” (Drawn from the CM clergy)
19th Division= “The Rapture” (Drawn from the CM clergy)
20th Division= “The Holy Crusade” (Drawn from White Christians from Lebanon whose ancestors were actual crusaders)

20 Republican Guard Mechanized Divisions (Each 18,000 Heavy Republican Guard Infantry. 50 T-98 Tanks. 1,125 BMP-3s, 1,125 Warriors, 500 G-6 155mm SPA, 300 SA-19s, assorted SP mortars, assorted other vehicles.


8 Republican Guard Horse Cavalry Brigades. They operate in the Internal Security Army (RGISA). (Each 5,000 Republican Guard cavalrymen and horses, light weaponry, shoulder launched SAMs, shoulder launcher AT weapons, and light mortars)
1st Brigade= Conquest
2nd Brigade= War
3rd Brigade= Famine
4th Brigade= Plague
5th Brigade= Don Juan
6th Brigade= Charlemagne
7th Brigade= Maria Theresa
8th Brigade= Charles Martel


1 Republican Guard Special Forces Division (18,000 Republican Guard Special Operators divided into 18 regiments each of 1,000 operators, each regiment specializes in certain types of combat, terrain, weapons, etc.)

1 Division of Special Republican Guard. Known as the “Curtis Fabus” Division. Drawn from those from the same hometown as Curtis Fabus. (18,000 Special Republican Guard Panzer Grenadiers, 1,000 T-98M Tanks, 2,250 BMP-3EA (Extra Armor)s, 400 G-6 155mm SPA, 300 SA-19 Mobile SAM, and assorted reconnaissance and light vehicles.) The entire Division is comprised of soldiers from the county the Premier is from (Neshoba County), they are tasked with guarding the Premier and the regime against any and all threats. The best Division in the Republican Guard, however they are geared mostly towards Internal Security such as guarding against coups, preventing army mutinies, and etc.


Regular Army units:

20 Parachute Divisions (Each 18,000 paratroopers, 500 C-130s to transport men and equipment, 2,500 hummers (1,500 M998, 400 M1043, 500 M1025, and 100 M1035) assorted light vehicles (200 M1083 Standard Cargo Trucks), shoulder launched weaponry (AT and AA), mortars, light artillery, and assorted reconnaissance vehicles)

25 Mechanized BMP Infantry Divisions (Each 18,000 heavy infantry, 2,250 BMP-3s, 400 G-6 155mm SPA, 200 SA-19 Mobile SAM, and assorted reconnaissance vehicles)

25 Mechanized Warrior Infantry Divisions (Each 18,000 heavy infantry, 2,600 Warrior IFVs, 300 G-6 155mm SPA, 200 SA-19 Mobile SAM, 40 MLRS, and assorted reconnaissance vehicles)

40 Armored Divisions (Each 18,000 Panzer Grenadiers, 500 T-98 Tanks, 2,250 BMP-3s, 300 G-6 155mm SPA, 200 SA-19 Mobile SAM, and assorted reconnaissance vehicles)

400 Infantry Divisions (Each 18,000 Heavy Infantry transported by trucks and light vehicles, 400 towed Howitzers and other artillery, 200 SA-19 Mobile SAM, and other assorted light artillery and support units)

20 Rapid Response Airmobile Divisions (Each 18,000 Light Infantry, with 2,250 Mi-24 assault helicopters for transporting and fire support. 200 CH-46 Transport helicopters. Assorted shoulder launched SAM and AT weapons, mortars, and 50 155mm Howitzers)

100 Reserve Divisions (Each 18,000 light infantry with assorted transports and typical light arms)





Popular Army (1-4 weeks of training, given a rifle, rations, ammunition, and a few other things, not much else. Basic battle doctrine for the Popuar Army are frontal assaults and human wave attacks)

200 Divisions of Peasant Levies (Each 18,000 soldiers with few vehicles and not many weapons heavier than 81mm mortars)



Air Force (Air force units that are not permanently assigned to army units. Many Mi-24s and C-130s are permanently assigned to Army or RG units)

25,000 F-16D

10,000 F-15E

5,000 F-14D Tomcat

2,500 F-35 JSF (Land based)

2,000 F-35 JSF (Carrier based)

3,000 B-52H

1,000 B-2 Spirits

3,000 Su-25

10,000 MiG-31

4,000 UH-60

2,000 CH-46

3,000 AC-130H Spectre

3,000 AC-130U Spooky

3,000 A-10/OA-10 Thunderbolt II

500 KC-10A Extender (Advanced fuel tanker aircraft. In-flight refueler)

500 KC-130 (In-flight refueler)

300 KC-135R Stratotanker (In-flight refueler for long-range bombers)




Navy

42 Los Angeles class attack submarines

10 Galaxy class attack submarines

12 Virginia class attack submarines

32 SeaWolf class attack submarines, normal

12 SeaWolf class attack submarines with 2 Mantas

12 Oscar II class attack submarines

48 Manta class fast attack minisub

16 Ohio class ballistic missile submarines

16 Typhoon class ballistic missile submarines


12 Fabus Class Super Carriers (Nimitz just renamed) (50 F-14Ds. 15 F/A 18 Hornets. 20 Rafale M)

8 Baron Class Battleships (Iowa Class just renamed)

6 Curtis Fabus Class Battleships (BB-04A) (Modified model)

4 Curtis Fabus Class Battleships (BB-04) (Design flaw model)

20 Arizona BBG Class Battleships

4 Guillean Class Battleships

102 Stalin Class Frigates (Oliver Hazard Perry just renamed)

72 Hitler Class Destroyers (Arleigh Burke just renamed)

50 Kirov CGN

100 Farragut DDG (stealth)

10 Yorktown Carriers




White Colonial Armies

“Imperial Tennessean Army Corps”
6 Infantry Divisions
1 Armored Division
1 Mechanized Division
1 Parachute Division
1 Special Force Division
2 Mountain Divisions
3 Cavalry Brigades
2 Reserve Divisions


“Imperial Egyptian Army Corps”
6 Infantry Divisions
1 Armored Division
2 Mechanized Divisions
2 Marine Divisions
2 Parachute Divisions
4 Reserve Divisions

"Imperial Libyan Army Corps"

10 Infantry Divisions
2 Mechanized Divisions
2 Armored Division
1 Special Forces Division
1 Marine Division
2 Parachute Division
8 Reserve Divisions


Colonial Reserve Division (Each 18,000 Light infantry with assorted transports and typical light arms. 120mm mortars, 81mm mortars. 2,500 hummers (1,500 M998, 400 M1043, 500 M1025, and 100 M1035. 200 M1083 Standard Cargo Trucks)

Colonial Parachute Division (Each 18,000 Paratroopers, 500 C-130s to transport men and equipment, 2,500 hummers (1,500 M998, 400 M1043, 500 M1025, and 100 M1035) assorted light vehicles. 200 M1083 Standard Cargo Trucks), shoulder launched weaponry (AT and AA), mortars, light artillery, and assorted reconnaissance vehicles)

Colonial Armored Division (Each 18,000 Panzer Grenadiers, 100 T-98 Tanks, 500 BMP-3s, 100 G-6 155mm SPA, 50 SA-19 Mobile SAM, and assorted reconnaissance vehicles. 200 M1083 Standard Cargo Trucks. 1,000 Hummers: 300 M998, 500 M1025, 200 M1043)

Colonial Mechanized Division (Each 18,000 Mechanized Infantry. 50 T-98 Tanks. 250 BMP-3s, 250 Warriors, 100 G-6 155mm SPA, 50 SA-19s, assorted SP mortars, assorted other vehicles. 200 M1083 Standard Cargo Trucks. 1,000 Hummers: 300 M998, 500 M1025, 200 M1043)

Colonial Infantry Division (Each 18,000 Heavy Infantry transported by trucks and light vehicles, 100 towed Howitzers and other artillery, 50 SA-19 Mobile SAM, and other assorted light artillery and support units. 2,500 hummers (1,500 M998, 400 M1043, 500 M1025, and 100 M1035. 300 M1083 Standard Cargo Trucks)

Colonial Marine Division (Each 18,000 Marine Infantry. 50 T-98 Tanks. 350 BMP-3s, 350 Warriors, 50 G-6 155mm SPA, 100 towed Howitzers, 20 SA-19s, assorted SP mortars, assorted other vehicles. 200 M1083 Standard Cargo Trucks. 1,000 Hummers: 300 M998, 500 M1025, 200 M1043)

Colonial Special Forces Division (Each 18,000 Special Operators divided into 18 regiments of 1,000 each. All are trained in desert warfare, long-range reconnaissance patrol, and brush warfare, desert survival skills. They are lightly armed and the only weapons they have are what they can carry or mount on a hummer. They are armed with Stingers, MILANS, XM8s, and other assorted light arms. 2,500 hummers (1,500 M998, 400 M1043, 500 M1025, and 100 M1035) assorted light vehicles. 200 M1083 Standard Cargo Trucks)

OOC: That's what happens when you get an economically powerful nation with a small armed forces, but high defence budget. You end up with a huge bank account. Hundreds of trillions of dollars worth. 900 billion is nothing.

If Communist Mississippian mercenaries kill a single Praetonia or damage a single piece of Praetonian equipment, we will hold both whoever hired them out and CM responsible.

OOC: Yeah? Bring it.

OOC: Not saying I'll attack them, just I'll hold them responsible.

If Communist Mississippian mercenaries kill a single Praetonia or damage a single piece of Praetonian equipment, we will hold both whoever hired them out and CM responsible.



They are just companies based in CM. They aren't affiliated with CM.


Occ- If you don't want to get anything damaged, don't fight the mercenaries. They're very good soldiers, most are ex-Republican Guard, ex-Paratroopers, and ex-Special Services.

OOC: 900bln dollars is a lot. It's enough to cause a massive fuss at home and abroad. Even a nation of two billion people with a per capita GDP of fifty thousand dollars generates what, a hundred trillion? 900bln would be almost 1% of GDP, or something akin to a hundred billion dollars for the US- about the cost of the first, what? Year? Of the war in Iraq. Not something you can just throw out on a whim without somebody losing their high-level job and somebody else losing an election.

OOC:McLeod, we will split the cost half and half if there is so much uproaro

You have agreed to hire these companies at triple their normal rates.

Total Cost: USD 3.303 trillion.

Because you are paying for them to fight until the conflict is over, they will take the 3.303 trillion as payment to fight until it ends. But if the conflict lasts most than 8 months they will require to start being paid per the month.

Tactical Solutions: Specializes in surgical strikes against specific enemy targets. Employs 5,000 operatives. Price 1 billion dollars per month, may increase if risk increases.

Strategic Solutions: Specializes in essentially providing an entire army for the client. Employs 27 divisions of operatives. 4 Paratrooper divisions, 4 armored divisions, 6 mobile infantry divisions, and 13 heavy infantry divisions. About 550,000 soldiers by the time you tally up the crews and such. Cost 300 billion dollars per month.

Airpower Unlimited: Specializes in providing fighters to gain air superiority. Employs 1,000 MiG-31s, 2,000 F-16s, 1,000 F-14s, and 500 F-35s. Price 200 billion dollars per month.

Death From Above: Specializes in bombers and close air support. Employs 300 B-52s, 1,000 A-10s, 3,000 Su-25s, and 2,000 Mi-24s. Cost 100 billion dollars per month.

The Yacht Club: Specializes in naval warfare. 6 Ohio SSBN, 18 Los Angeles attack submarines. 8 Oliver Hazard Perry, 12 Arleigh Burke, 18 Kirov CGN, 2 Fabus Class Super Carriers (Nimitz just renamed) (50 F-14Ds. 15 F/A 18 Hornets. 20 Rafale M). Cost 500 billion dollars per month.

McLeod03: If you intend to operate these ships against me- You do realize that you will face war with myself and all other nations who have pledged their support to my cause.

After a long deliberation and absorption of the facts, Tenarius has decided to stay out of this conflict. We hope that it can be settled peacefully and maturely.

OOC: Heh, all right, someone tries to be realistic, points out a fair problem, and somebody else steps in to throw a few hundred billion dollars at it. Sounds like a war winning strategy to me! Well, not so much me as to figures through history who've lost wars, I suppose. But then that's fair enough, someone has to be relatively incompetent until we're all clones, I suppose.

They are just companies based in CM. They aren't affiliated with CM.


Occ- If you don't want to get anything damaged, don't fight the mercenaries. They're very good soldiers, most are ex-Republican Guard, ex-Paratroopers, and ex-Special Services.

They are CM nationals and so any damage they cause while in mercenary work approved by the CM government will also be attributed to the CM government.

OOC: Im not really scared. My regular army is small, but applicants undergo 7 years of training, and that isnt my main strength. My main stregnth lies in being ableto sink the troop transports before they get to fight.

They are CM nationals and so any damage they cause while in mercenary work approved by the CM government will also be attributed to the CM government.

OOC: Im not really scared. My regular army is small, but applicants undergo 7 years of training, and that isnt my main strength. My main stregnth lies in being ableto sink the troop transports before they get to fight.


Occ- My soldier begin training alongside RG soldiers at age 12. From age 8-12 they are training in "Fabus Youth" camps for physical fitness and to build camaraderie . By age 17-18 those who are to become the officers are sent to the officer training schools to learn warfare theories and leadership skills.

Occ- Due to the problems we've had with insurgents in Tennessee, Libya, Egypt, and the blacks and Indians that were in Mississippi until we made peace with the indians and deported the blacks, the CM armed forces have extensive experience fighting against a variety of foes. Be they guerillas, regulars, special operators. We have been in a variety of operations.


Occ- Also we have the capability to drop about 45 divisions (20 parachute, 25 airmobile helicopter transported) And we can provide superb air cover to make sure they drop without incident.

Occ- CM is not responsible for the actions of CM nationals. If the mercenaries are captured they realize that CM will not do anything other than politely request they be released.

OOC:

IH - Happily

TBF -

1) Secret government accounts. Anyone finds out about the transfer, they disappear without warning.
2) There are two advantages to me hiring out these mercs. The first is i can't provide military aid due to being caught up in a civil war myself, so i pay someone else to help Kahta instead. The second is that the mercs can't be used against Kahta.
3) Lose an election? Whats an election?
4) I haven't lost a war yet. Don't intend to start now.


Sevaris -

Oh no. You might go to war with a nation that is how many times your size? Because you don't know when to keep your nose out of other peoples business? I'd love to host your invasion. I give them a day before every last one of your troops is dead. Maybe two if i'm feeling lenient.

OOC - I didnt ask you if you wanted to be held responsible, I said you WOULD be held responsible.

OOC - I didnt ask you if you wanted to be held responsible, I said you WOULD be held responsible.


Official Government Response from Minister of Foreign Affairs Paul Stahlecker, "Yawn".

OOC: How can you officially respond to an OOC statement?

McLeod03: We are on the brink of war with a nation 10 times our size. If you attack us, we will drive you back into the sea.

BUMP- Please join me.

the wackellian fleet of 10 destroyers has now reached the other fleets of ships. Once again we will not fire unless fired upon.

OOC: JSYK you should have a few telegrams sevaris (stupid thing limited the post size per TG)

OOC: crap crap crappity crap, join a couple of alliances and this happens... you get allies on both sides of the trouble...

You see (and this entirely OOC truth not Propaganda crap) I feel very much that those of you who aren't in a particularly evil mood should really have to side with Sevaris all he did was make a few protests which to be honest we all do all the time in people's posts when words like "slavery" and "annexation" crop up after all they are designed to provoke a response. Khata's response is basically the same as russia invading New Zeland for protesting thier actions in chetchnia.


IC: From the right honerable Jacob MacArthur, The prime minister
to: all beligerant and interested parties.

Please refrane from taking this any further it is both needless and ultimatly wanton warmongering. What possible threat could Sevaris be to khata?

As an option i propose that the Nations of the Commonwealth be allowed to disapline thier own. this way large scale bloodshed is avoided and 2 reasonably well known will not be torn appart.

Chellis has pledged help to kahta. Sevaris has proved to be particularly warmongering, sending troops into chellian north africa for no reason. Those troops were summarially obliterated, and their transports destroyed, but chellis didnt declare war on sevaris.

However, if sevaris is continuing under its current administration, chellis isnt surprised it is planning to stick its nose in other peoples buisness.

Chellis will help kahta in operations, with a large number of troops. They will be deployed once actual operations begin. They are waiting in Perrier at the moment, a chellian territory(I've never rp'ed having stuff there, took it a long ass time ago, so might as well use it once).

We did not stick our nose in Kahta's business. Kahta invaded Caelta, and promptly overran the country. We supported the oppressed peoples of Caelta. What's wrong with that?

We did not stick our nose in Kahta's business. Kahta invaded Caelta, and promptly overran the country. We supported the oppressed peoples of Caelta. What's wrong with that?

If you were Caelta, or kahta, then it would be your buisness. You are not one of those two nations.

It then became international business because Kahta started to engage in senseless murder of Caelta's citizens. Are the human rights violations not apparent?

Human rights are an illusion, so yes, they are not apparent.

Human rights are an illusion? What in God's name are you talking about? Every member of mankind has certain rights which no government can take away. There is such a thing as human rights in the world. Senseless murder is just wrong. Perhaps your eyes have been blinded to that, but mine have not. We take a stand against countries which waste human lives for no good reason.

"The speaker for Chellis destroys his or her own argument." Said a BID Party back-bencher to The Commons. "Their reason for involvement is that the whole affair is none of Sevaris' business. How, pray tell, is it then the business of Chellis?"

Not even the most hard line opposition politicians could find an answer beyond concurrent laughter.

Although the official stance of the Imperial Dominion of Sdaeriji in this matter is strict neutrality, we would just like to express our distaste for the Republic of Sevaris and their actions of late. While the Imperial Dominion is still refraining from openly supporting the Empire of Kahta, we would just like to say that Sevaris is severly testing the patience of our great nation.

Chairman Ilsuo Santite
Imperial Dominion of Sdaeriji

To the Rt. Hon Chairman Ilsuo Santite:
What have we done to you? We have merely raised protests about Caelta's blatant human rights violations and their illegal annexation of Caelta, and then tried to give support to the citizens of Caelta, and Kahta makes noises of annexing us. How does that offend you?

Premier Alec Mannerheim
Republic of Sevaris

In Britain, speeches by the bombastic Union Flag vest-wearing PM Bull and others of similar opinion on the matter have taken increasingly defiant tone. It is widely implied in this weeks popular press that those supporting Kahta are fatcats who do so out of their opposition to the habit that Sevaris has acquired of opposing aggressive imperialism and oppression, and (that the opponents of Sevaris) are motivated by their own despotic self interest.

Pressure mounts for the redeployment of the Royal Navy task force currently hovering off Gibraltar.

What in God's name are you talking about?

God? That must be what you base your belief of human rights off, religion.

There is no such thing as human rights. Its a word for cowards who cant accept real polotik. You may not like "senseless murder", but that doesnt mean everyone is entitled to protection from it. You are blinded by religion, and that will be your downfall.

OOC: TBF, sevaris invaded my territory very recently, even though meeting up with imminent destruction of sevaris troops. Thats how its my buisness.

OOC: We acknowledge that, and we wish Chellis had taken the liberty of informing us that Algeria was his. We've withdrawn all our troops.
ANYWAY

IC: We do not base our freedoms on religion. That's just a saying I use. Anyway, Doesn't everyone have the right to be defended from being killed uselessly (Unless, that person themselves has killed uselessly.) Chellis is just reversing the march of history in his land. He is displaying rather backward tendencies indeed.

Indeed they do. Third Northern Fleet is readying for sea. Formerly moving to Hattia, it will now begin to enter the area within the next 6 (RL) hours. 3rd Northern Fleet contains:


3rd Naval TF

Standard Anti-surface submarine Group (6)

10 Akula-III SSN
4 Sierra-III SSN
10 Oscar-II SSGN

Comments: These forces receive detailed and specific orders. The groups are intended to split into pairs and hunt in a given "sector", communicating by sonar telephone only where necessary. These are the main "hunting" arms of any DPUO Naval Task force.

Standard SAG: (8)

2 Kirov-class CGN
1 Kiev-class helicopter & V/STOL carrier
8 Sovremmennyy-class CG
4 Udaloy-II-class CG
4 Neustrashimiy-class FF
6 Supply vessels

Comments: Intended to provide long-range ASuW support to the submarine forces of the Navy. Very heavily armed. Highly flexible formation.

Standard CVBG: (8)

2 Kuznetsov/Orel-class CVN
1 Moskva-II CVH (claos useable by Yak-141M)
1 Kirov-class CGN
5 Sovremmennyy-class CG
3 Udaloy-class CG
4 Neustrashimiy-class FF
10 supply vessels

Comments: A longer-reaching development on the Standard SAG, the Standard CVBG packs less firepower on board ships, relying on its' aircraft. It retains a secondary cruise missile ASuW capability with its' cruise missile ships.

SSBN group: (4)
6 Akula-II SSN
2 Oscra-II SSGN
3 Delta-IV/Typhoon SSBN

Comments: These forces are usually kept at the centre of the engagement. Their attack and cruise-missile submarines are never to be separated from their charges, the missile submarines.

Any vessel engaging these or friendly vessels will be engaged and destroyed. Please do not force us to commence a war.

OOC: We acknowledge that, and we wish Chellis had taken the liberty of informing us that Algeria was his. We've withdrawn all our troops.
ANYWAY

IC: We do not base our freedoms on religion. That's just a saying I use. Anyway, Doesn't everyone have the right to be defended from being killed uselessly (Unless, that person themselves has killed uselessly.) Chellis is just reversing the march of history in his land. He is displaying rather backward tendencies indeed.

We are marching forward, into the truth. There arent human rights just because you want them. Chellians have already come to accept the fact that this is just a world, and people are just animals. We do what we do because of how we are made. There is no hidden force controlling us. There is no heaven or hell, or god. Human rights are a want, they in no way actually exist.

OOC:If you had asked me if I owned algeria before you invaded, I would have told you.

OOC: Forget the Algeria question. It's a moot point.

Human rights are something that man is naturally born with. Every person has a right to them. We do what we want as well, but what we want is a better world for man- and human rights is a part of that world, as it is part of most of the CIVILIZED world.

OOC: Forget the Algeria question. It's a moot point.

Human rights are something that man is naturally born with. Every person has a right to them. We do what we want as well, but what we want is a better world for man- and human rights is a part of that world, as it is part of most of the CIVILIZED world.

Can you hold human rights? Can you put it in a museum and display it? Can you take it with you and show it to others?

Where are the human rights? They arent anywhere, because they dont exist. You want them to exist, but its a belief, not an actual thing. You keep saying they exist, but exactly what are they? Unless you can show me human rights in itself, then it doesnt exist.

We of the Mikosolf Corperation will watch these tensions with interest, furthermore we wish to remind anyone that our PM is available for use if need be (at the right price).

Could I get some mercenaries to kill some Kurdish communists?

IC: Parthia will support our Kahtan allies with 10 Infantry and 3 Tank divisions.

OOC: Quick Summary Please.

IC:

It has just come to our attention the actoions of the Imperialist Pigs, i.e. you lot.

Sevaris, we will be proud to come to your aid, unfortunately however we can only send a Naval Force.

The Behemoth Fleet
01 Antaeus Class, Adaptive Cruiser
06 Tiger MkII Class, Destroyers

God Speed

IC: Parthia will support our Kahtan allies with 10 Infantry and 3 Tank divisions.

Thank you for your support.

Chellis, can you show me AIR? well, if you cant show it to me, then it doesnt exist!! What about Love? Trust? Friendship? None of those exist either then, i suppose? You're an ignorant, narrow-minded person, who is most likely a liberal democrat...

Chellis, can you show me AIR? well, if you cant show it to me, then it doesnt exist!! What about Love? Trust? Friendship? None of those exist either then, i suppose? You're an ignorant, narrow-minded person, who is most likely a liberal democrat...

Please keep your real life opinions out of this.

Chellis, can you show me AIR? well, if you cant show it to me, then it doesnt exist!! What about Love? Trust? Friendship? None of those exist either then, i suppose? You're an ignorant, narrow-minded person, who is most likely a liberal democrat...

Air? Yes. Its right in front of you. The difference is, you can feel air, you can test it and find it. I just waved my hand around and felt air. The sad thing is, I assumed someone would try that weak argument.

Love? Trust? Friendship? None of those exist. Love is the equivilent of infatuation, which is a chemical reaction in your body if im correct. Trust is reaction with complacency. The three of those have to do with how the mind works. Human rights is an idea, those three are processes in the body.

OOC: But one can see his point. You cannot show me the electron, for example.

OOC: yes i can, see over there in the corner, its Mr fuzzy the Electron, see him dance!!!! or is it a case of only i can see him.... ah well another one for the list along with bongle the pink elephant and bob the freindly veloceraptor...

I think the reply is "lol!"

Can you hold human rights? Can you put it in a museum and display it? Can you take it with you and show it to others?

Where are the human rights? They arent anywhere, because they dont exist. You want them to exist, but its a belief, not an actual thing. You keep saying they exist, but exactly what are they? Unless you can show me human rights in itself, then it doesnt exist.

Yes i can hold/show/take Human rights because they have been written down in the Human Rights Charter and that can be found in Lausanne, with the UN.

Chellis, though human rights are not a concrete thing, they are an abstract thing. While they cannot be seen, they can be cherished and respected.

Chellis, though human rights are not a concrete thing, they are an abstract thing. While they cannot be seen, they can be cherished and respected.


Joseph Mladic yawned as he heard the word's "Human rights" uttered again. But then an idea. The propaganda minister had an idea. "Human Rights, for Mississippian Whites." They would start a campaign in Libya and Mississippian Egypt.

Chellis, though human rights are not a concrete thing, they are an abstract thing. While they cannot be seen, they can be cherished and respected.

It is indeed an abstract thing, and something we dont see as a thing at all.

Also, we don't follow international law, including UN law.

OOC: Chellis please finish that helicopter thing. My ships are almost in Sevaris.

Axis Nova, as stated in the other thread, will be sending every unit of the ANAN that it can spare, as well as plenty of supplies. We will send troops within the week.

Axis Nova

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6641653&posted=1#post6641653
- let's hope it works.