NationStates Jolt Archive

To: Sarzonia
From: Cam III
I will accept to have peace talks with you in Hamptonshire City, ONLY if Aust, Preatonia, Sarzonian and Morathanian delegates attend. I think that we could come to a reasonable outcome.

Cam III.

Praetonian delgates will, of course, attend.

To: Sarzonia
From: Cam III
I have seen your terms and I am not happy, if you think I will agree to them, then you are greatly mistaken. IF you change your terms I will carry on with this war, regardless of your help and support from your allies.

OOC: Cam, there is no way you can win that war and Sarzonia will call your bluff. Dont issue ultimatums try to slowly negotiate it.

The Austian delegates touched down, climbing out of there craft. Prince Rupert got a message on his phone. Pressing the touch screen to operate it he read the message. 'Cam wont agree to terms. He issued a ultimatum. Aust ready for war.'

I'm not bluffing, Preatonia. If he changes his terms I will see if they are reasonable.

I'm not bluffing, Preatonia. If he changes his terms I will see if they are reasonable.
Cam, you will lose. i could take you down myself. You've already lost your delegate seat on SLOA. (To Moontain, BE will withdraw his endorsement soon. We voted you out.)Do you want to lose most of your citys. Also I told them that if anything happened, say if these peace talks didn't work out, that i would tell them, and I think they'll help out. I'd nagotiate, if you don't want another 10 nations on you.

OOC: Cam if you go to war with Sarzonia (and he will go to war if you dont retract that ultimatum) you will lose, and Sarzonia will impose harsher terms.

And you are already suspended from the Victoria Alliance.

Look, I said if he'll change his terms we can all avoid a conflict, but, I still have many nuclear weapons pointed at his nations. I will take him to hell with me if I have to!

Cam, you do realise that I have more nukes than you and I will use them. Plus i have my missile defence satalite that would shoot down 75-90% of your missiles.

Look, I said if he'll change his terms we can all avoid a conflict, but, I still have many nuclear weapons pointed at his nations. I will take him to hell with me if I have to!

IC:
Come on Cam III we both know that this war is over. Start the peace talks and accept your loss like a man. Sarzonia and his allies won and stop whining about the therms. You're in no position to bargain with the victors.

I can still try. I will only do that if he agrees to have peace talks...

Alright, I will have peace talks with Sarzonia.

IC: To: Sarzonia
From: Cam III
I will disarm ALL weapons and de-commision my army. I hope that you will agree to have peace talks.

Thank god.


Aust will have talks.

Our Demands:
1) Cam swears never to use WMD's again.
2) You do not warmonger in future.
3) never annoy AMF again.
4) You shall pay damagers to Sarzonia
5) You shall reduce your army
6) Any colonys or protectorates become terratory of other nations, to be decided by the us.

The Democratic Imperium of Praetonia thanks the government of Cam III for finally putting an end to this conflict.

To: All members in peace talks
From: Cam III
To show that I want peace, I will be letting in 2 inspectors(for use of a better word) from each nation to disarm the WMDS and my army them selves, with help from my men. They will come into my nation ALONE. If this is not followed, I will tak action against any other forign men.

The Imperial Government does not believe that Cam III is in any position to dictate terms over arms decommissioning, butwe shall respect their wishes. Two armed army engineers are on their way to Cam III.

To: All members in peace talks
From: Cam III
To show that I want peace, I will be letting in 2 inspectors(for use of a better word) from each nation to disarm the WMDS and my army them selves, with help from my men. They will come into my nation ALONE. If this is not followed, I will tak action against any other forign men.
And what of my demands. We shall send 2 men to inspect.

Hey, I did that because that way every nation will know that I have no WMDs and army.
IC: I hope that every nation will come to a happy agreement.

Aust, your demands WILL be met, your men can make sure of it.

Aust, your demands WILL be met, your men can make sure of it.
Thank you. I still would like to send a larger force, but if you insist..


OOC: What colonys/protecorates do you have Cam?

OOC: Do you mean puppets? if so 1 (one)

OOC: Do you mean puppets? if so 1 (one)
No, if you founded any colonys or have any places you protect, thats away from you mainland. Aust has the Bambinio coast for example.

Oh, well I protect Sephiroth, and umm, yeah thats about it...

OOC: Oooo! Oooo! Can I have Sephrioth? I have some new 5mt fussion bombs that need testing.

Oh, well I protect Sephiroth, and umm, yeah thats about it...
I thought you where an imperialistic nation, ah well. So you havn't conqored anywhere?

Although I dont think that's what aust meant by protectorates.

Although I dont think that's what aust meant by protectorates.
Aye.

No one is getting Sephiroth, I swore to him I will protect him to my death.

Well, I tried to conquer nellisland, The Deadly viper, Evil and all bad doing, Sarzonia, yeah thats it. (All failed, I had TDV for about 3 days)

'Tis a sad state of affairs.

Cam III you have Crepes. I gave him to you.

OOC: Yeah, I sold him. got me space tech and all...

Cam III you have Crepes. I gave him to you.
So now our group has to decide who to give him Crepes to.

OOC: Yeah, I sold him. got me space tech and all...

to who?

Credonia...

Get him back then. I clearly said that YOU and NOBODY else would gain control of it. Not to mention I say him posting a few days ago, also one of things we agreed to; the puppets may not be used as a roleplaying faction.

What is all this about because Ive not heard about it before.

I told him that he was not use him for any RP purpeses AT ALL, so you can shut up.

What is all this about because Ive not heard about it before.

I'll explain it. Some time ago (January '03) there was a war and ViZion threatened me. 3 Friends of mine who also played NS had the nations of Crepes (now Fruity Loops), Atemenanki (BDTS I believe) and Theohuanacu (left NS for good). All three and a puppet called Deamonopolis were given to me since they didn't want to play NS anymore. I took care of them but after a few days I was bored of a answering all issues and I decided to give them to people.

Cam III received Crepes
Rondebosch received Atemananki
Kelonian States received Theohuanacu
British Communists received Deamonopolis

They all agreed that 1) They and only they will keep the nation alive and 2) will never RP with it, since they were much bigger than them. There was a last agreement but that doesn't matter anymore. Cam III gave Crepes to Credonia as a currency to receive technology. So he gave it away and used it for RP. I want it back now.

It's your problem now.

Cam III, you are hardly in position to dictate terms to us. We are coming to these talks against our better judgment and only because you have stated a willingness to negotiate that you have previously not shown. We believe the only reason for that is the fact that you realize that you are facing a coalition that not many countries can handle on their own.

I agree to the idea of having weapons inspectors observe and actively dismantling your entire system of weapons of mass destruction. However, we must ensure that they will not be interfered with and they may be along at any time to ensure that you do not attempt to gain more WMDs.

In addition to the Austian demands, we have the following conditions for agreeing to the end of this war:

1) You may mobilize a Self Defense force of no more than 100,000 army troops, to include logistics and support personnel.
2) Your navy may number no more than 50 ships, none of which may have a full displacement of more than 40,000 tons. You may have no more than two aircraft carriers and neither may carry more than 40 planes.
3) You must completely dismantle any space-based weaponry not already destroyed in the war and may not use space for offensive-based purposes. In the event of an attack on your country, you may use limited defensive space weaponry.
4) You must pay reparations at a rate to be determined by the allied forces currently in the talks.
5) You and your political and military leadership must agree to stand trial for war crimes in an international tribunal.

I also ask the allied forces to address the Hawaiian Islands threat to re-arm Cam III and to take steps to ensure that does not happen.

Cam III, you are hardly in position to dictate terms to us. We are coming to these talks against our better judgment and only because you have stated a willingness to negotiate that you have previously not shown. We believe the only reason for that is the fact that you realize that you are facing a coalition that not many countries can handle on their own.

I agree to the idea of having weapons inspectors observe and actively dismantling your entire system of weapons of mass destruction. However, we must ensure that they will not be interfered with and they may be along at any time to ensure that you do not attempt to gain more WMDs.

In addition to the Austian demands, we have the following conditions for agreeing to the end of this war:

1) You may mobilize a Self Defense force of no more than 100,000 army troops, to include logistics and support personnel.
2) Your navy may number no more than 50 ships, none of which may have a full displacement of more than 40,000 tons. You may have no more than two aircraft carriers and neither may carry more than 40 planes.
3) You must completely dismantle any space-based weaponry not already destroyed in the war and may not use space for offensive-based purposes. In the event of an attack on your country, you may use limited defensive space weaponry.
4) You must pay reparations at a rate to be determined by the allied forces currently in the talks.
5) You and your political and military leadership must agree to stand trial for war crimes in an international tribunal.

I also ask the allied forces to address the Hawaiian Islands threat to re-arm Cam III and to take steps to ensure that does not happen.
I shall do what I can.

OOC: Sorry for being so late. Can you guys fill me in on whats going on and what ideas have been brought to the table.

IC: The Morathanian delgation flew in and quickly drove to the convention area. Minister of Foreign Affairs George Phillips ran into the meeting area.
"I'm sorry I'm late what did I miss. I heard of Cam III's wanting Morathania here to delegate so I flew in as soon as I could. Sorry for the interuprtion but I need all the info fast so I can settle in here."

1) You may mobilize a Self Defense force of no more than 100,000 army troops, to include logistics and support personnel.
2) Your navy may number no more than 50 ships, none of which may have a full displacement of more than 40,000 tons. You may have no more than two aircraft carriers and neither may carry more than 40 planes.
3) You must completely dismantle any space-based weaponry not already destroyed in the war and may not use space for offensive-based purposes. In the event of an attack on your country, you may use limited defensive space weaponry.
4) You must pay reparations at a rate to be determined by the allied forces currently in the talks.
5) You and your political and military leadership must agree to stand trial for war crimes in an international tribunal.


I agree to all terms. For term 5 , I have a dictatorship, so will it be just him or my whole 'govenment'?

I agree to all terms. For term 5, I have a dictatorship, so will it be just him or my whole 'govenment'?

We believe that the entire "government" must stand trial along with the military leadership.

In lieu of dismantling any naval ships that are in excess of the parameters we have given out, we propose that you hand over those ships that are in excess of the allottment as part of the reparations, in particular any Trimarian-hulled ships. We would be willing to then place a value on those in lieu of the entire amount of reparations coming from your treasury.

[OOC: Someone who is part of a dictatorship can still be implicated along with a dictator for following orders. If, however, your "government" official can provide strong enough evidence that he tried to reason with the dictator or actively tried to prevent atrocities, my thought is that would likely be taken into consideration by the courts.]

OOC: Can someone please tell me whats going on?

OOC: Can someone please tell me whats going on?

[OOC: When Cam III arrived at the peace talks, he expressed his displeasure with the initial surrender terms and then ultimately was talked into reason and he has now agreed to all the terms that I have outlined.]

His entire navy is Praetonian built, therefore all trimaran except for the carriers.

OOC: What are those terms?

[OOC: Here are the terms:

1) You may mobilize a Self Defense force of no more than 100,000 army troops, to include logistics and support personnel.
2) Your navy may number no more than 50 ships, none of which may have a full displacement of more than 40,000 tons. You may have no more than two aircraft carriers and neither may carry more than 40 planes.
3) You must completely dismantle any space-based weaponry not already destroyed in the war and may not use space for offensive-based purposes. In the event of an attack on your country, you may use limited defensive space weaponry.
4) You must pay reparations at a rate to be determined by the allied forces currently in the talks.
5) You and your political and military leadership must agree to stand trial for war crimes in an international tribunal.

His entire navy is Praetonian built, therefore all trimaran except for the carriers.

[OOC: That's why I'm suggesting he turn them over rather than dismantle them.]

Those seem harsh but fair. I think that the reparations should be 45 million USD a year. That doesn't seem like alot but we don't want a Hitler-esque fascist take-over in the near future. So I would suggest you keep the reparations low.

Those seem harsh but fair. I think that the reparations should be 45 million USD a year. That doesn't seem like alot but we don't want a Hitler-esque fascist take-over in the near future. So I would suggest you keep the reparations low.

We will discuss the amount of reparations to be paid, and any and all Trimarian-hulled vessels that are turned over to Sarzonia will be factored into the monetary cost to Cam III.

I remind my colleague from Morathania that Cam III tried to destroy Sarzonia. Given that circumstance, I believe the terms are more than fair.

Yes of course. I'm only looking out for a future generations. I don't want another devastating Cam III-Sarzonia war but you are correct Cam III must pay for his actions.

The delegation from the Federation says that Cam III should not be allowed any Trimarans in his navy as these are new designs that are vastly superior in many ways to older vessels they would make Cam IIIs post-treaty navy too powerful and he might still be a danger to smaller nations.

Yes of course. I'm only looking out for a future generations. I don't want another devastating Cam III-Sarzonia war but you are correct Cam III must pay for his actions.

The delegation from the Federation says that Cam III should not be allowed any Trimarans in his navy as these are new designs that are vastly superior in many ways to older vessels they would make Cam IIIs post-treaty navy too powerful and he might still be a danger to smaller nations.

I think that restriction is a very good idea. As I said, I am very interested in acquiring all the Trimarian hulled ships in Cam III's navy as partial payment of reparations to Sarzonia.

I appreciate your concerns about future generations. It is something that we too must keep in mind.

All Timerian hulled ships are on route to Sarzonia waters, NOTE, they will not enter Sarzonia waters untill they are under Sarzonian control (To provent hostilities).

So, I will have a 'Defence force' of 100,000 men and a navy of 50 ships. No space fleet? And no orbital weapons platforms? My space fleet could be handed over to you, Sarzononia, if you would like.

How about this. Cam III can raise money for reparations by selling off his entire space fleet via a storefront. That way he would have extra cash for the reparations and it would get rid of the space fleet without it having to jump through some hoops to go into different hands. I think that this idea is fair to both sides since it gets rid of Cam IIIs space fleet and it makes it easier for him to pay reparations so that his economy and his people aren't suffering under the reparations.

5) You and your political and military leadership must agree to stand trial for war crimes in an international tribunal.

I would recommend that such a tribunal, just like this conference, be held in Hamptonshire.

The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Hamptonshire would lead the proceedings and one Judge from each Allied Nation would sit in judgement of those brought forth before the tribunal.

All Timerian hulled ships are on route to Sarzonia waters, NOTE, they will not enter Sarzonia waters untill they are under Sarzonian control (To provent hostilities).

So, I will have a 'Defence force' of 100,000 men and a navy of 50 ships. No space fleet? And no orbital weapons platforms? My space fleet could be handed over to you, Sarzononia, if you would like.

Agreed.

[OOC: Here are the terms:

1) You may mobilize a Self Defense force of no more than 100,000 army troops, to include logistics and support personnel.
2) Your navy may number no more than 50 ships, none of which may have a full displacement of more than 40,000 tons. You may have no more than two aircraft carriers and neither may carry more than 40 planes.
3) You must completely dismantle any space-based weaponry not already destroyed in the war and may not use space for offensive-based purposes. In the event of an attack on your country, you may use limited defensive space weaponry.
4) You must pay reparations at a rate to be determined by the allied forces currently in the talks.
5) You and your political and military leadership must agree to stand trial for war crimes in an international tribunal.

West Scotland has reviewed these terms and found them to be satisfactory.

If you add in logistics and support personell, that amounts to a tiny army...and a navy requires logistics and support ships as well, therefore he will have an insignificant navy. What of his air force?

And what's this civil war thing in Cam III?

West Scotland has reviewed these terms and found them to be satisfactory.

If you add in logistics and support personell, that amounts to a tiny army...and a navy requires logistics and support ships as well, therefore he will have an insignificant navy. What of his air force?

And what's this civil war thing in Cam III?

[OOC: I knew there was one thing I forgot. How about 500 aircraft, including transport and support aircraft?

Apparently, he's RPing a civil war between his dictator and those loyal to him and forces that are against the dictator.]

May be fair, but he could put up a bit of a fight. How about two air wings total numbering no more than 350?

Edit : Well, looking at Cam's population...I don't know...maybe yours is fine.

I don't know, this is a random and probably overharsh thing, considering the USAF has 17,000 aircraft or so...but 350 is much easier to deal with :P Let's see what the others say.

May be fair, but he could put up a bit of a fight. How about two air wings total numbering no more than 350?

That's fine. I defer to your wisdom in the air force department.

How about my idea that Cam III sells his space fleet through a storefront. I agree with West Scotland two air wings of 350 aircraft should be sufficient to defend his homeland.

How about my idea that Cam III sells his space fleet through a storefront. I agree with West Scotland two air wings of 350 aircraft should be sufficient to defend his homeland.

We have taken your idea into consideration; however, we would have to stipulate that we and our allies have the authority to regulate the sale of the ships within the fleet.

Of course we should regulate the sale of his ships so that they don't fall into the hands of Cam III's puppets or countries with sympathies to Cam III.

OOC: Sarzonia, as we have just RP'd the developement of diplomatic relations via TG, we are interested in how we may be of assistance to you in this RP matter. Just TG me and I'll RP it here. BTW, my country is basically the Hawaiin and Alutian islands and has one hell of a navy.

OOC: What do you mean? Have you just opened diplomatic relations with Cam III? And to answer your question of if you can join this peace conference I would say no. All the countries here were invited by Cam III and Sarzonia to act as mediators between these two countries. I'm geussing its Sarzonia's or Cam III's final choice but my first geuss would be no.

OOC: Back from vacation, Sarzonia, can I join?

Edit: You didn't mention WMDs, or the dismantling of them.

OOC: What do you mean? Have you just opened diplomatic relations with Cam III? And to answer your question of if you can join this peace conference I would say no. All the countries here were invited by Cam III and Sarzonia to act as mediators between these two countries. I'm geussing its Sarzonia's or Cam III's final choice but my first geuss would be no.

OOC: No, I have opened diplomatic relations with Sarzonia only and I am merely asking them if I can be of any assistance to them in this matter. If they say no, they've got it under control, I'll go on about my business. If Cam III objects to my involvement in any way, I'll also go on about my business. I was just trying to offer assistance to a friendly nation if they desired it. I was not trying to intrude on a private or ongoing RP.

countries with sympathies to Cam III.

There is ONLY one country with sympathies to me, Sephiroth, big suprise there...
But, if Sarzonia want's I could hand over one of each ship to bolster his space fleet?

Well I'm trying to do you a favor Cam III. You can use the money that you make on the sale of these ships to pay reparations thus not putting as much strain on your new government and the people of Cam III.

OOC: Back from vacation, Sarzonia, can I join?

Edit: You didn't mention WMDs, or the dismantling of them.

[OOC: Ugh. And I had every intention of mentioning that (though I thought Aust might have mentioned it already since I said my terms were in addition to his.) Thanks.]

In addition, all weapons of mass destruction must be dismantled and Cam III may not build any additional WMDs.

[OOC: Welcome back! Have a good time?]

The destruction of Cam III's WMDs to be overseen by officials from Sarzonia, Morathania and Hamptonshire.

*clears throat*

And Praetonian officials of course.

[OOC: Ugh. And I had every intention of mentioning that (though I thought Aust might have mentioned it already since I said my terms were in addition to his.) Thanks.]

In addition, all weapons of mass destruction must be dismantled and Cam III may not build any additional WMDs.

[OOC: Welcome back! Have a good time?]

OOC: Not bad. We did a tour of the 5 NW States, saw the national parks and did some fishing. And spent many, many hours in the car. ;)

IC: The Commonwealth fully supports it's allies Sarzonia and Zoogie People in their peace terms. We find them not only reasonable in the current instance, but also a necessity to protect against Cam III's streak of militarism.

The Grand Duchy is ready and willing to send observers to any installation/location deemed necessary.

OOC: Just to let you know, you are dealing with Keyes now. He is a bit like Cam III (likes his dictatorship) BUT he also likes to avoid wars. Basicly a dictator which is peaceful.

IC:
To: Allied forces
From: Keyes
When will the dismataling and other terms begin?