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The Bismarck is perhaps one of the most famous battleships ever. The Bismarck reigned havoc down on the allies during the early onset of World War II and the ship was the most technologically advanced weapon of the time. Now it is available once again for your navy.

Bismarck Class

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The Bismarck made fast to a buoy in Kiel

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Bismarck during combat

Function: Battleship
Crew: 2,200+
Length: 823.49 ft.
Beam (Width): 118.11 ft.
Draft (Depth under water): 33.47 ft.
Displacement: 41,041.41 tons (standard); 50,096.11 tons (full)
Max Speed: 30.12 knots
Power Plant: 12 Wagner boilers; Three Blohm & Voss turbine sets; 150,170 hp (maximum obtained)
Fuel Capacity: 7,775.23 tons
Armor Protection: 145 mm (upper belt); 320 mm (main belt); 130-360 mm (main battery turrets); 40-100 mm (secondary battery turrets); 50-80 mm (upper deck); 80-120 mm (third armour deck); 220-350 mm (conning tower); 45 mm (torpedo bulkhead); 70% or 557.74 ft. (protected length); 17/22 (protected compartments / total compartments); 17,540 metric tons (armour weight)
Endurance: 9,280 nautical miles at 16 knots; 8,900 nautical miles at 17 knots; 8,525 nautical miles at 19 knots; 6,640 nautical miles at 24 knots; 4,500 nautical miles at 28 knots
Aircraft: 4 x Arado Ar 196
Armament: 8 x 38cm/L47 main guns; 12 x 15cm/L55 secondary guns; 16 x 10.5cm/L65 anti-aircraft guns; 16 x 3.7cm/L83 anti-aircraft guns; 18 x 2cm anti-aircraft guns
Unit Cost: $350M
Delivery Time: 5 RL Days

Armament

Main Guns

Designation: 38 cm SK C/34
Quantity: 8 (2 x 4) in four twin turrets two forward, two aft
Barrel Length: 64.40 ft.
Barrel Weight: 108.95 tons
Turret Weight (without barrels): 1031.45 tons (Anton); 1039.32 tons (Bruno, Cäsar, & Dora)
Elevation Range: -5.5° - +30°
Elevation Rate: 6°/second
Training Range: 215° - 145° (Anton & Bruno); 035° - 325° (Cäsar & Dora)
Training Rate: 5.4°/second
Rate of Fire: 2.4+ rounds/minute/barrel
Maximum Range: 38,880 yards at 30°
Muzzle Velocity: 2,690 feet/second
Shell Weight: 1,764 lbs
Ammunition Supply: 353 shells (L4,4); 338 shells (L4,5); 313 shells (L4,6)
Barrel Life: 200-300 rounds

38cm Psgr. L/4,4 (m.Hb), Panzersprenggranate L/4,4 (mit haube). These were Armour Piercing (AP) shells, base fused with windshield (mit haube). The task of the armour piercing shells was to penetrate armoured plates of heavily protected targets such as battleships and detonate in the interior causing severe destruction to vital parts (boilers, magazines, etc). If used against light or unarmoured targets/surfaces, AP shells would simply penetrate these and pass through exploding beyond the target or without even detonating due to the insufficient resistance to activate the fuse. A total of 93 projectiles of this type were fired at Hood and Prince of Wales during the battle of the Denmark Strait on 24 May 1941.

38cm Spgr. L/4,5 Bdz (m.Hb), Sprenggranate L/4,5 Bodenzünder (mit haube). These were High Explosive (HE) shells, base fused (Bodenzünder) with windshield. The penetrating capabilities of the high explosive shells with base detonating fuse were inferior than those of AP shells, however the effects of the detonation were greater since HE shells contained a larger explosive charge. This type of projectiles were utilized against relatively lightly armoured targets such as cruisers.

38cm Spgr. L/4,6 Kz (m.Hb), Sprenggranate L/4,6 Kopfzünder (mit haube). These were High Explosive (HE) shells, nose fused (Kopfzünder) with windshield. The principal effect of high explosive shells with nose detonating fuse was the action of splinters due to their large explosive charge. Nose fused projectiles had very limited penetrating capabilities and were intended to be used against soft targets such as destroyers or merchantmen.

Secondary Guns

Designation: 15 cm SK C/28
Quantity: 12 (2 x 6) 3 twin turrets by side
Barrel Length: 27.07 ft.
Barrel Weight: 8.94 tons
Turret Weight (without barrels): 108.26 tons
Elevation Range: -10° - +40°
Elevation Rate: 9°/second
Training Rate: 8°/second
Rate of Fire: 8 rounds/minute/barrel
Maximum Range: 25,150 yards at 40°
Muzzle Velocity: 2,871 feet/second
Shell Weight: 99.8 lbs
Ammunition Supply: 622 shells (L4,5); 666 shells (L4,6)
Barrel Life: 2,500 rounds

15cm Spgr. L/4,5 Bdz (m.Hb), Sprenggranate L/4,5 Bodenzünder (mit haube). High Explosive (HE) shells, base fused (Bodenzünder) with windshield (mit haube).

15cm Spgr. L/4,6 Kz (m.Hb), Sprenggranate L/4,6 Kopfzünder (mit haube). High Explosive (HE) shells, nose fused (Kopfzünder) with windshield (mit haube).

Heavy Anti-Aircraft Battery

Designation: 10.5 cm SK C/33
Quantity: 16 (2 x 8) in 4 double mounts by side
Barrel Length: 22.39 ft.
Barrel Weight: 4.49 tons
Mount Weight: 26.92 tons (C31); 26.01 (C37)
Elevation Range: -8° - +80° (C31); -10° - +80° (C37)
Angular Velocity: vertical: 10°/sec, horizontal: 8°/sec (C31); vertical: 12°/sec, horizontal: 8.5°/sec (C37)
Rate of Fire: 18 rounds/minute/barrel
Maximum Range: 19,357 yards
Vertical Range: 41,010.38 ft. at 80°
Muzzle Velocity: 2,952 feet/second
Shell Weight: 33.1 lbs
Ammunition Supply: 6,825 rounds

Medium Anti-Aircraft Battery

Designation: 3.7 cm SK C/30
Quantity: 16 (2 x 8) in 4 double mounts by side
Barrel Length: 10.08 ft.
Elevation Range: -10° - +80°
Rate of Fire: 80 rounds/minute/barrel
Maximum Range: 7,382 yards
Muzzle Velocity: 3,281 feet/second
Shell Weight: 1.64 lbs
Ammunition Supply: 34,100 rounds

Light Anti-Aircraft Battery

Designation: 2 cm MG C/30; 2 cm Flak C/38
Quantity: 10 (1 x 10) in 10 single pedestals; 8 (4 x 2) in 2 quadruple mounts
Barrel Length: 4.27 ft.
Elevation Range: +90°
Rate of Fire: 200 rounds/minute/barrel
Maximum Range: 5,249 yards
Muzzle Velocity: 2,952 feet/second
Shell Weight: 0.291 lbs
Ammunition Supply: 44,000 rounds

Aircraft

Ar196A-3

Type: Two seat reconnaissance seaplane.
Wingspan: 40.68 ft.
Length: 36.09 ft.
Height: 14.44 ft.
Empty Weight: 5147.79 lb.
Loaded Weight: 7275.25 lb.
Armament: 2 x 20mm MG FF (in the wings); 1 x 7.92 mm MG (forward); 2 x 7.92 mm MG (twin); 2 x 50 kg bombs of the types SC50, SD50 or LC50F (under wings)
Power Plant: BMW 132K, 9 cylinders, 960 hp.
Max Speed: 198.84 mph
Range: 497 nm
Crew: 2

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Now, additionally offered with the Bismarck Class is the Bismarck II Class, a Layartebian modification on the old, yet beastly powerful battleship of World War II.

Bismarck II Class

Function: Battleship
Crew: 200 officiers, 2,000 enlisted
Length: 823.49 ft.
Beam (Width): 118.11 ft.
Draft (Depth under water): 33.47 ft.
Displacement: 41,041.41 tons (standard); 50,096.11 tons (full)
Max Speed: 32 knots
Power Plant: Two SNR-1 nuclear reactors, three geared steam turbines, three shafts, (150,000 Shaft horsepower)
Armor Protection: 145 mm (upper belt); 320 mm (main belt); 130-360 mm (main battery turrets); 40-100 mm (secondary battery turrets); 50-80 mm (upper deck); 80-120 mm (third armour deck); 220-350 mm (conning tower); 45 mm (torpedo bulkhead); 70% or 557.74 ft. (protected length); 17/22 (protected compartments / total compartments); 17,540 metric tons (armour weight)
Endurance: 15 years without refueling
Aircraft: 4 HH-60H Seahawk or 4 SH-60F LAMPS Seahawk
Armament: 8 x 38cm/L47 main guns; 12 x 15cm/L55 secondary guns; 16 x 1 FC-1C Layarteb 99 Flak Cannons; 16 x 3.7cm/L83 anti-aircraft guns; 12 Mk 15 Mod 2 Phalanx CIWS, 1 Mk-41 V-Cell (64 cells) after for ASROC, ESSM, or Standard; 6 660mm torpedo tubes; 4 RIM-116 RAM Block 1 mounts
Unit Cost: $700M
Delivery Time: 8 RL Days

New Armament

FC-1C Layarteb 88 Flak Cannon

Designation: FC-1C 8.8cm
Quantity: 16 (8 x 8) in 8 double mounts by side
Barrel Length: 16.18 ft.
Barrel Weight: 3.40 tons
Mount Weight: 4.92 tons
Elevation Range: -5° - +85°
Rate of Fire: 20 rounds/minute/barrel
Maximum Range: 880 - 16,368 yards
Vertical Range: 36,000 ft. at 85°
Muzzle Velocity: 3,280 feet/second
Shell Weight: 44 lb. [HE]; 50 lb. [HE-FRAG]; 55 lb. [AP]
Ammunition Supply: 425 rounds

Mark 15 Mod 2 Phalanx CIWS

Designation: 20 mm/99 M-61A1 Gatling OGB Mark 15
Quantity: 12 (2 x 4 x 4 x 2) in 12 single mounts 2 forward and 2 aft, 4 each side
Mount Weight: 6.07 tons
Elevation Range: -20° - +80°
Elevation Rate: 86°/second
Training Range: -150° - +150°
Training Rate: 100°/second
Rate of Fire: 3,000 or 4,500 rounds per minute per weapon selectable
Maximum Range: 6,000 yards
Vertical Range: 36,000 ft. at 85°
Muzzle Velocity: 3,650 feet/second
Shell Weight: 0.58 lb.
Ammunition Supply: 1,550 rounds per magazine, 10 magazines held

Mark 41 Vertical Launching System

The Mark 41 VLS is a new standard in shipping. This system sits in the deck of the ship in 8-cell modules and each cell can hold a variety of missiles. Each canister can hold a single Tomahawk, Standard SM-2MR, Standard SM-2ER Block IV, or Vertical Launch ASROC. It can carry a pair of Land Attack Standard Missiles per canister. Also, a quad-pack of Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles can be held per canister.

Torpedo Tubes

The Bismarck II is equipped with two torpedo rooms, each facing forward. The first is situated at the bow with two tubes per side and the last is midship with one tube per side. Six torpedoes can be held in the midship room and twelve at the bow room of either 530mm or 660mm size. Wire-guided torpedoes can be used as well as self-homing torpedoes.

RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile Block 1

Designation: RIM-116B RAM Block 1
Quantity: 4 mounts one facing each way
Missile Weight: 162 lb.
Missile Diameter: 5 in.
Missile Length: 9.18 ft.
Missile Wingspan: 17.25 in.
Warhead Weight: 20 lb.
Propulsion: MK 112 MOD 1 solid-fueled rocket
Maximum Range: 19,360 yards
Ceiling: 12,500 ft.
Missile Velocity: Mach 2.0+
Ammunition Supply: 21 missiles per mount

The Ottoman Fleet will buy Bismarck Class 2-$700M

Bringing the old to the new, eh?

(Ill take 6 for a total of 2.1 billion... I think...)

The Bismark is actually a stupidly armored Cruiser.

*cough cough*

I didn't say it sucked >> << >> << >>

Ottoman Khaif: Confirmed
Dancing Moose: Confirmed

The Bismark is actually a stupidly armored Cruiser.

*cough cough*

I didn't say it sucked >> << >> << >>

That took over 300 shell hits, 5 - 6 torpedo hits, and was still floating. It only sunk because the crew scuttled the ship. That is stupidly armored? Man, I'd hate to see smartly armored!

When I say stupidly armored I mean very armored. Sorry, that's what I meant.

When I say stupidly armored I mean very armored. Sorry, that's what I meant.

Ah okay so basically a glorified cruiser?

Now this is the 1940's version of the Bismarck? No upgraded technology or anything?

Ah okay so basically a glorified cruiser?

Ya basically.

Now this is the 1940's version of the Bismarck? No upgraded technology or anything?

Yes, my Bismarck II Class is being added to this thread as soon as I finish writing the post.

Ya basically.

I dunno, 15" guns don't really make it a cruiser.

I dunno, 15" guns don't really make it a cruiser.

I just go by the History Channel man >> << >> << >>

I just go by the History Channel man >> << >> << >>

LOL! 15" guns classify a battleship in my book.

15 Guns? the class had 12 guns not counting the AA ones;
4 main & 8 secondary

LOL! 15" guns classify a battleship in my book.

The hell do I know about ships anyway >> << bleh, I just HAD to be an Island. Even worse I was listening to "Roses" the day I made this Island. I don't even have a name for myself yet >> <<. Ah oh well, back to my guns.

15 Guns? the class had 12 guns not counting the AA ones;
4 main & 8 secondary

15" ... look more carefully.

NOW OFFERING THE BISMARCK II, LOOK AT FIRST PAGE, SECOND POST!!!

my mistake

my mistake

Want to buy one or perhaps ten?

not realy since I already developed mine owne some time ago ;)

BTW: not exactly your ship

Ill take 4 Bismarck II's for a total of 2.8 billion.

Ill take 4 Bismarck II's for a total of 2.8 billion.

Confirmed.

Bump >> << >> << >>

I bumped you topic ha ha!

The Ottoman Fleet will buy up to 8 Bismarck II's for $5.6 Billion

Mental lands would like to buy one of your original Bismarck class POCKET BATTLE SHIPS

OCC: the only reason I want one is because my uncle was on the hood when it was sunk by the Bismarck and I would like to watch a replica blow up.

Bump >> << >> << >>

I bumped you topic ha ha!

Thank you very much!

Ottoman Khaif: Confirmed @ $5.6B
Mental Lands: Confirmed @ $350M

OOC: now, why should i buy a bismarck when i could just as easily buy an iowa with greater firepower and speed? armor seems just about equivalent, too.

OOC: now, why should i buy a bismarck when i could just as easily buy an iowa with greater firepower and speed? armor seems just about equivalent, too.

Because the Bismarck was a fine weapon. 300 shell hits. 5 - 6 torpedo hits and she was still floating. It only sunk when the crew scuttled it. That's a reason enough to buy it.

Because the Bismarck was a fine weapon. 300 shell hits. 5 - 6 torpedo hits and she was still floating. It only sunk when the crew scuttled it. That's a reason enough to buy it.

Actually, nearly all (non-German) sources agree that Bismarck sunk after receiving a full spread of torpedoes from HMS Dorsetshire. Also, the fact that she was picked apart by the British 14"/45 quadruple turret and 16"/45 triple turret, with their notorious mechanical faults, hardly endorses this 'invincibility' cult you seem to be forging.

For instance, most modern sources agree that, even though King George V was Tovey's flagship, Rodney was actually the key player in destroying Bismarck. Imagine, the newly-completed pride of the Kriegsmarine with her combat potential undiminished after having her seasmanship stolen by an antiquated cloth biplane, defeated by a second-line Treaty battleship displacing 33,000 tons - also known as about 3/4ths the German ship's - which could manage a whopping 21 knots in a sprint and was armed with an all-forward turret design of the less-than-satisfactory British 16"/45! And how many hits - how many straddles, even? - did Hitler's flagship manage to score on Rodney or KGV? Oh, that's right - none! Hmm.

On another point, tell me: did you ever get around to fixing the critical flaws in Bismarck's armor scheme? Or are the upper works still too exposed and the rudder inadequately protected? But hey! At least your worthless hulk can linger around and burn longer!

Oh, and by the way, I can think of one cruiser mounting 15" guns (of the superb 15"/42 British design, used so well on so many fine ships, from Warspite to Vanguard) whcih has all ready even been mentioned in this thread: the Mighty 'Ood.

Actually, nearly all (non-German) sources agree that Bismarck sunk after receiving a full spread of torpedoes from HMS Dorsetshire. Also, the fact that she was picked apart by the British 14"/45 quadruple turret and 16"/45 triple turret, with their notorious mechanical faults, hardly endorses this 'invincibility' cult you seem to be forging.

For instance, most modern sources agree that, even though King George V was Tovey's flagship, Rodney was actually the key player in destroying Bismarck. Imagine, the newly-completed pride of the Kriegsmarine with her combat potential undiminished after having her seasmanship stolen by an antiquated cloth biplane, defeated by a second-line Treaty battleship displacing 33,000 tons - also known as about 3/4ths the German ship's - which could manage a whopping 21 knots in a sprint and was armed with an all-forward turret design of the less-than-satisfactory British 16"/45! And how many hits - how many straddles, even? - did Hitler's flagship manage to score on Rodney or KGV? Oh, that's right - none! Hmm.

On another point, tell me: did you ever get around to fixing the critical flaws in Bismarck's armor scheme? Or are the upper works still too exposed and the rudder inadequately protected? But hey! At least your worthless hulk can linger around and burn longer!

Oh, and by the way, I can think of one cruiser mounting 15" guns (of the superb 15"/42 British design, used so well on so many fine ships, from Warspite to Vanguard) whcih has all ready even been mentioned in this thread: the Mighty 'Ood.

The most recent explorations of the wreck revealed she was scuttled, saw that on the History Channel, online at places, in books, etc. And yes I fixed the flaws with the armor scheme and and proteted the rudders in my Bismarck II. I also fixed the targetting systems on the Bismarck II as I believe they were not so great in the original, afterall it took what 6 salvos before they hit the Hood. Or was that just poor ranging and sighting?

OOC: Damn it, I was reading through, getting closer and closer to the end and thinking I could be the one to say it, then those cursed Ians showed up ;)
I'm surprised to see these selling, though. Perhaps Walmington should open her ship yards to exports, especially since Queen Mavis comes with genuine battle scars inflicted by Bismarck her... himself.

Or maybe I'll just try selling some Stringbags...

OOC: Damn it, I was reading through, getting closer and closer to the end and thinking I could be the one to say it, then those cursed Ians showed up ;)
I'm surprised to see these selling, though. Perhaps Walmington should open her ship yards to exports, especially since Queen Mavis comes with genuine battle scars inflicted by Bismarck her... himself.

Or maybe I'll just try selling some Stringbags...

They are fine war-machines. That's why they are selling.

Actualy it´s easier than that; if the Bismark wouldn´t have been such a great ship, the Royal Navy wouldn´t have pissed in there pants & send a bigger fleet after her.

Actualy it´s easier than that; if the Bismark wouldn´t have been such a great ship, the Royal Navy wouldn´t have pissed in there pants & send a bigger fleet after her.

Yeah I decided to omit this as it was the obvious but yes you stated it. It's the same reason we went after the Yamatto class in Japan with such fervor!

Well, yeah, if it linked up with its sister (brother?) in France the merchant ships would probably have struggled rather to fight off a couple of battleships, eh?

Well, yeah, if it linked up with its sister (brother?) in France the merchant ships would probably have struggled rather to fight off a couple of battleships, eh?

The Tripitz and the Bismarck together in teams would have been a good thing but that never happens and yes it was a "he." Germans referred to their ships (do they still do it?) as masculine? I don't know about that one but I think Hitler harbored some same-sex tendencies there. Ahh, God Bless the USA and referring to ships as she... :)

I think it was because they decided that Bismarck was too big to be a lady, rather than because it was standard German practice.

I think it was because they decided that Bismarck was too big to be a lady, rather than because it was standard German practice.

Have you seen some German women from that era? They'd kick my butt in 2 seconds flat!

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500 ships.
175 billion wired on conformation.

500 ships.
175 billion wired on conformation.

Umm...ya know I'm going to go with this. It's going to take some time but you'll get them soon. Confirmed.

:: bump ::

Still for sale. For the next 1 hour it will be 15% off.

i will offerd 4 billion for it

i will offerd 4 billion for it

Please note that your posts must be coherent.

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We would be interested in obtaining (2) Bismarck class battleships for our Naval History Meusem in Cutlass City, CB.

We would be interested in obtaining (2) Bismarck class battleships for our Naval History Meusem in Cutlass City, CB.

Confirmed for $700M.

LOL! 15" guns classify a battleship in my book.

OOC what about an 18" gunned heavy destroyer? google HMS Furious.

oops, edit, I had fury at first...

OOC: I hate to burst your bubble, but the Bismarck was never the most advanced battleship or the most heavily armed. The US already had the North Carolina class, armed with nine 16" guns, and the Japanese Yamato class, with their nine 18" guns were the heaviest battleships ever built, and they were commissioned that year.

The original is fine for me thanks, already have it up and running. The wells for the MBG's make great swimming pools!

First of all, Bismarck used an obsolete incremental armor scheme that dated back to the 1880's-1890 where weight was wasted on a thin, useless upper armor belt used to keep out high explosive rounds, something that wasn't a problem by the 1930's when Bismarck was built, but the Germans insisted on anyway. Her main armament was poorly protected with HMS Rodney taking out half her main guns with a single salvo.

Bismarck took a lot of hits, however, this is mostly explained by the fact the British were firing at very close range, which meant flat trajectories, and were hitting superstructure more often than anything else. Regards armament, Bismarck was nothing special, having the same rough armament of a World War I Queen Elizabeth Class Battleship.

My suggestions would be to instead modify a South Dakota Class Battleship instead, which, in addition to being newer, uses a far better "All-or-Nothing" armor scheme, and has a superior TDS. (torpedo Defence system) In addition, the vessel packs 9x16 in guns in three turrets rather than eight 15in in four. No naval expert you are likely to find is going to suggest Bismarck could outfight a Sodak.

For more information on all-or-nothing vs incremental armor schemes:
http://warships1.com/index_tech/tech-070.htm

Are you here to shop or criticize? This isn't a OOC discussion thread.

Are you here to shop or criticize? This isn't a OOC discussion thread.


OOC: Ha ha, of course you know I'm not here to shop. Sorry, just couldn't pass up an opportunity to nit-pick.