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Doujin Class Super Dreadnaught

Doujin. A word that strikes fear into the heart of any sailor. Presenting the most powerful warship in the modern world, Doujinshi Corporation now releases the Doujin Class Super Dreadnought (Doujin Class BBCN) to the world.

Like the other Doujin Navy vessels that are trimarans, the Doujin is very seaworthy and is a very steady gun platform. Even though many might consider that it would be hard to come up with an armor scheme that would give these three hulled ships a high level of protection, the Doujin class is very well armored and having three floating bodies makes the vessel harder to sink. In addition, the three hull design allows for a wider space for weapons, systems, and other vehicles than would be possible on a single hull design of about the same displacement.

The ship carries its powerful engines high in the primary hull which reduces the noise in the water greatly. While the ship is not as fast as was first thought and not as fast as the Trimaran destroyers or frigates, it is the fastest ship of its size ever constructed and on trial runs these huge ships have all exceeded 30 knots.

Like most of the Doujin Navy's larger ships, the Doujin Class has a sensor suite that is an improved version of the APAR 12 three-dimensional radar. This Phased Array radar system is more compact than the Aegis system used by most the modern world, and has greater tracking capabilities and range. The ship also has both a hull sonar system and a towed array sonar system.

The designers constructed the Doujin Class battleship using Radar Absorbent Materials extensively in the design. As a result, missiles using radar guidance to pinpoint locations on the Doujin have a decreased effectiveness. The Doujin also carries a powerful ECM system.

Model Type: BB-582 Class Battleship ( Doujin Class )
Crew: 7,250 (5,800 crewmen; 450 officers; 1000 military troops)
Speed: 32 knots maximum, 15 knots cruising
Range: Unlimited due to the Pebblebed nuclear reactor engines. Ship carriers six months of supplies and consumables on board.

[b]Statistical Data:
Length: 981 meters (3266.7 feet)
Width: 350 meters (1166.55 feet)
Draft: 28 metres (98 feet) Empty, 32 metres (108 Feet) Full
Displacement:
Empty: 1,400,000 tons
Fully Loaded: 1,800,000 tons
Cargo: 28,000 tons of nonessential equipment and supplies. Each enlisted crew member has a
small locker for personal items and uniforms. Ships officers have more space for personal items. Most ship's spaces are taken up by extra ammo, armor, troops, weapons, and engines.
Builders: Navarre Navy Shipyards (Division of Doujinshi Corporation, located in The Freethinkers)
Price: 250 Billion Dollars.

Weapon Systems:
20 x 30" Electro-Thermal Naval Guns
12 x 8" Electro-Thermal Naval Guns
36 x 3” BI Automated Gun Systems
11 x 30mm BI M/C AA Cannons
32 x 20mm BI M/C AA Cannons
12 x 7-barrel 122mm Unguided ASuW Mortars
4 x 60-Cell M/P PVLS (240 LRSSM/LRSAM)
8 x 48-cell Sylver VLS (384 ASTER-15/30 SAM)
48 x Egap Anti-Ship Missiles
46 x 20mm Phalanx CIWS (AA/AM)
4 x 660mm Magazine Launched Torpedo Tubes (for Mk 48 ADCAP torps, mines, MHROVs, 80 to be carried)

Aircraft:
The Doujin Class is capable of carrying up to 160 aircraft on her two full-length flight decks.

Systems:

APAR 12 Type B:
An incredibly advanced radar and computer system first developed for the Mackensen Class, it far surpasses the Aegis system on most other naval vessels. Powerful and flexible radar system that is comprised of four panels that each emit radar waves. If allowed by the horizon, the system can track out to 800 miles (1280 km) and can simultaneously track and identify up to 1392 targets at one time. The system controls missile launched from the long range missile launchers and the system track and guide each individual missile to a individual target for up to 476 targets. If a target is eliminated, missiles are automatically guided to a new target. The system can also control missiles launched from other linked vessels as well and can also act as fire control for gun mounts.

Both a upper-lateral anda lower-lateral array are fitted in order to ensure 360 degree coverage of the airborne theatre Two reserve arrays are also carried. Short-range AS18 Suites are installed to provide back CIWS guidance and close range tracking of multiple targets.

Advanced Hull Sonar (Adapted FT-SN22 Suite)
Mounted under the bow of the ship. Range of 25 miles (21.7 nm / 40.2 km). This hull sonar system has both a passive and active system built in, with the passive arrays also spread across the auxiallary hull flanks in order to ensure maximum sonar coverage. The Sonar system can track up to 48 targets at one time.

Advanced Towed Array Sonar System:
The system is basically a long and very sensitive sonar system carried behind the ship on a long cable. Range of 100 miles (86.9 nm / 160.9 km) in passive mode. This towed array sonar system has both a passive and active system built in. Sonar system can track up to 81 targets at one time.

Sonar Masking System:
The hull is designed to minimize noise from the hull and uses water bubbles to form a barrier against sonar as well.

Combination Radar Detectors and Active Jamming System:
Combination of radar detection systems (ESM) and an active jamming system. The system can detect another radar system at 125% of the range of the transmitting radar.

Command and Control Capabilities:
The Doujin Class Battleship was originally designed for Admiral Miller, Admiral in Chief of Doujin's Navy as his personal ship. The Flagship of the Doujin Navy, it's command and control facilities are extensive. It can track all Doujin Naval movements, and is directly connected with the GDnet Sattelite to provide real-time tracking of all Doujin ships. It is tied in with the defense systems along the Doujin coastline, and can effectively keep track of all enemy movements within sensor range of any Doujin vessel or defensive position. The Doujin Class battleship has more proccessing power than any other Battleship.

Prices
Cost to Purchase: 250 Billion
Yearly Upkeep Cost: 2 Billion
Full weapons loadout: 6-8 Billion

Price?

What is the cost to mantain such a bohemoth?

Not really to criticize, Doujin, but I just have two questions:

1 -- Is something that big, practicle?

2 -- How in blazes does it fit through locks?

(OOC: I'm incapable of creating my own navy effectively, and these look very nice. Must buy. Also, like the fine print in the link. Yes, I need one of those life things.)

We were wondering how much this naval behemoth costs. We are very interested in a purchase.

-Sigma Octavus Foreign Relations; Military Division

Official Ineffable Response
How much?

Not really to criticize, Doujin, but I just have two questions:

1 -- Is something that big, practicle?

2 -- How in blazes does it fit through locks?

OOC: Yes, it is in the NS Universe. It doesn't fit through locks, it isn't designed too.

OOC: And, btw - prices added although the unit cost was there in the begining.

Armour values?

I'll buy one.

Money wired on confirmation.

We would like to make a purchase of two of these fine machines. The total will come to 500 billion dollars. Money is being sent. Thank you.

-Sigma Octavus Foreign Relations; Military Division

OOC: w00t!!! I've been waiting for you to sell these!

IC: The United Imperium of Crossman would like to purchase 2.
$500billion ready to be wired upon confirmation.

-Lord Tarking, Secretary of Defense

The Parthians: Denied [OOC: Voting that I suck.. pfft..]

Sigma:

[quote=Doujin Response]
Thank you for your interest in procureing the most dangerous warship in the world. Your order has been processed and is under review, as all nations looking to purchase a Doujin Class BBCN go under scrutiny before the technology is released into their hands.

We also hope your nation doesn't mind signing a Non-Discolsure Treaty, to protect the trade secrets of Doujinshi Corporation/Doujin.

You have our word as an ally in APTO that your technology will be protected and never reproduced. We are a nation that utilizes honor, and it would be dishonorable to break a nondisclosure agreement. We gladly will sign the act.

-Sigma Octavus Foreign Relations;Military Division

OOC: Oh, what the hell, everyone else is doing it, lol...

IC: The Veritasean Imperial Navy would like to put in an order for six of these vessels. Although our tactics prefer smaller and more agile vessels, we feel that ships of the Doujin's stature will add a new dimension to our overall abilities. Some minor changes/upgrades might be made on the ships to coordinate them with other Veritasean vessels and aircraft, but nothing too major. We will transfer the $1.5 trillion in two payments; half now and half upon delivery. We thank you in advance for this opportunity.


http://www.kprf.ru/clipart/misc/captain.jpg
High Chancellor Harding
The Naval Empire of Unum Veritas
Member: NAIA
Member: Band of Brothers
Member: Organization of Marine Powers (http://www.gaizme.com/omp/forums/index.php)
Vice President and Naval Commander: Legion of Defence (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2503299#2503299)
Owner: Veritasean Naval Industries Inc. (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=655745#655745)

OOC II: This is the first time I've bought something in a thread in at least six months.

The Imperium would like to purchase six of these vessels. They will of course be payed for as each is delivered and we will happily sign any NDA Doujinshi Corp requires.

[EDIT: I'm curious, what brought this on? Do you have something up your sleeve?]

OOC: Wow, UV buys ships!

Unum Veritas, we are honored to acknowledge this order. Thank you for your interest in procureing the most dangerous warship in the world. Your order has been processed and is under review, as all nations looking to purchase a Doujin Class BBCN go under scrutiny before the technology is released into their hands.

We also hope your nation doesn't mind signing a Non-Discolsure Treaty, to protect the trade secrets of Doujinshi Corporation/Doujin.

The vessels will take approximatly 30 years total to complete, barring any act(s) of War or God.

We have no trouble signing such an agreement. Will the ships be delivered as finished, or all at once?

OOC-Do you RP as 1 day='s1 year?

Zoogiedom is undergoing military downsizing, but there is no deterrent known to man more effective than a huge effing battleship that comes with nearly double the aircraft of a standard supercarrier.

We will purchase...one for now, for $250bn. After it is completed in...some ungodly length of time, we wish to procure another, at an additional $250bn...to be paid in installments deemed affordable.

Zoogie, Thank you for your interest in procureing the most dangerous warship in the world. Your order has been processed and is under review, as all nations looking to purchase a Doujin Class BBCN go under scrutiny before the technology is released into their hands.

We also hope your nation doesn't mind signing a Non-Discolsure Treaty, to protect the trade secrets of Doujinshi Corporation/Doujin.

The vessels will take approximatly 30 years total to complete, barring any act(s) of War or God.

OOC: SS, these are the unmodified versions - not the refit. If you buy these I doubt I will give you the refit.. so I'd wait.

[Oh, ok, thanks for the heads up. Just ignore my last then. How many Ocean class carriers are you going to buy?]

[Oh, ok, thanks for the heads up. Just ignore my last then. How many Ocean class carriers are you going to buy?]

OOC: I own production rights to them, SS - I own Freethinkers Defense Industry.. including Prime Design Warfare which is the company he generally custom designs ships through. He's done it through Navarre Shipyards sometimes.. but... basically, I really have access to all designs he produces *shrug*

The Imperial Triumviate would like to acquire two of these magnificent vessels, for purposes of testing. More orders will follow.

[Yeah, I remembered that after I posted. So let me amend, how many do you plan on building?]

[OOC- How long is this production run lasting? I'd love to have a Doujin or 2 or 16, but alas with my money it'd take 2 full years production just to buy a single one.
If this production of Doujins lasts long enough, I might get around to buying one.]

OOC: The Imperial Triumviate would like to acquire two of these magnificent vessels, for purposes of testing. More orders will follow.

^^ Testing..? Explain.

Doomduckistan: Not long, I don't have the facilities to keep it up for long. I can keep it going for a few more ships - but it takes 30 years to build one and I don't have many shipyard facilities of the proportion needed.

Jee
Zus
Christ

Y'know that if he's selling these, he has something bigger and badder don't you?

I, that is to say Gaia Rodina, will buy one of these little buggers. All fifty gazillion tons of it.

That's what I meant when I asked him what he had up his sleeve. The fact that he ignored my question just confirms it. *shakes head* I know the sucker punch is coming, but I can't see it. Doesn't that suck?

We intend use these two in wargames (Non live-fire, of course). If these dreadnoughts can fulfill our need for a heavier ship (I've got 30% of my navy composed of Ekranoplans for chrissakes), we will purchase more. Also, any NDA that Doujin requires for sales will be signed.

One, please. Total should come to $250 billion dollars. Thank you.

OOC: First I am a March 2003 nation that was revived……Second, I produce most of my own weapons, and I haven’t bought anything in a long time…..

Watertest would like to purchase 15 of these fine vessels to increase our naval power in the Mediterranean …….1,875,000,000,000 will be given upon confirmation of my order, and the next 1,875,000,000,000 will be given upon delivery…..We will sign the Non-Disclosure Agreement, if you approve our order……

Eric Taylor
Defense Minister
Empire of Watertest

Tyrandis, TBD, and Watertest - Denied.

TBD: Looking into your history we find it would be a danger to the world to allow a Doujin Class to falll into your possession.

Tyrandis: It takes 30 years to make one, so there will be no "testing". You buy one to buy one, and thassit. :)

Watertest: I won't sell 15 to anyone.

After careful consideration, the Naval Arm of the Aequatian Armed Forces is interested in purchasing three of the Doujin class vessels. Normally we do not buy ships designed and produced by other nations, but with the reputation that the Doujin nations holds, we felt that we would not be let down by procuring a few vessels.

OOC: If you're selling these now, does that mean you've got another, much larger and powerful beast on the way?

I'll take two.

Could Kriegorgrad purchase one of these grand ships to be the pride of the Kriegos fleet. We understand the trade-agreement and if signed, will not break it. Also, we hope our background check is good enough to allow these excellent ships to become part of the our war fleet.

-Cher'nubul, emirate of Kriegorgrad

The Dominion of Kotterdam would like to purchase three of these fine vessels, but we request that you leave her primary and secondary ETC Naval Gun batteries vacant as we intend to replace their main weapons with domestically manufactured equivalents. We also request the same of her CIWS emplacements. The Dominion would be pleased to sign any Non-Disclosure agreement your nation would require. Furthermore, while our economy is fully capable of absorbing the cost of our order, we request permission to stretch payment out over the course of the vessel's construction, paying in yearly installments.

After careful consideration, the Naval Arm of the Aequatian Armed Forces is interested in purchasing three of the Doujin class vessels. Normally we do not buy ships designed and produced by other nations, but with the reputation that the Doujin nations holds, we felt that we would not be let down by procuring a few vessels.

OOC: If you're selling these now, does that mean you've got another, much larger and powerful beast on the way?

OOC: Now now, why should I sell this to someone who thinks I suck? :P Doujin uses the Mk.II Refit of the Doujin Class - and we have a good number of them. The Refit is several times more powerful than the original Doujin, and has a fix towards Doujin's weakness to Kinetic Kill weaponry. I'll consider it.

I'll take two of those. When we get them I'll rename them to God's Own Sling and Hand of Death

The Armed Republic of Scoyle will purchase one Doujin Class Super Carrier

-----Money Wired Upon Confirmation-----

P.S. We have over 500 billion saved up

Before we consider a purchase, some brief questions.

1) What is the range of the main armament.
2) What kind of aircraft can be used, you say fullsized flight deck, im assuming just standard FA/18 stuff?
3) Aside from the massive guns what are the advantages over a normal carrier?

OOC: Now now, why should I sell this to someone who thinks I suck? :P Doujin uses the Mk.II Refit of the Doujin Class - and we have a good number of them. The Refit is several times more powerful than the original Doujin, and has a fix towards Doujin's weakness to Kinetic Kill weaponry. I'll consider it.

OOC: I only chose that option because you wanted to buy my retired battleships to simply blow up. And I don't like people that mistreat battleships.

OOC: Well, I wasn't mistreating it - just giving them a nice death.

OOC: Well, I wasn't mistreating it - just giving them a nice death.

OOC: Blowing them up is mistreating them! >.<

....You guys are so cool.

....You guys are so cool.
This coming from someone called Rainbow-Butt Monkeys.

This coming from someone called Rainbow-Butt Monkeys.

I was thinking the same thing but didn't say anything.

So you don't want to be cool? Fine. I'm not your friend anymore.

So you don't want to be cool? Fine. I'm not your friend anymore.
I dont think anyone here was your friend to start with, as none of us know you.

I guess it is kinda hard to detect sarcasm on the internet, but two people at least got it on the first try. So if you thought that i thought that you were my friend, then i think that you wer mistaken. Alliteration, w00t.

I guess it is kinda hard to detect sarcasm on the internet, but two people at least got it on the first try. So if you thought that i thought that you were my friend, then i think that you wer mistaken. Alliteration, w00t.
My comment was a smart-alex responce to your idiotic statement, please treat it as such.

I'll tag this, once my Navy is at least a little bit presentable I'll purchase one of these.

Quiet children, I'm waiting for Doujin's reply on my request, thanks.

After long and hard deliberation the USIH naval department has decided to set aside 1/4 of its purchasing and upgrading budget (over the next 5 years, basically 100billion per year although it is paid as a lump sum) to the purchase of 2 of these massive craft.

This represents a sizeable investment into the future of USIH naval activity and strength.

500Billion USD is being prepared for transfer.

The UCSNE has intrest in the Doujin class vessels, and is interested in acquiring two of these ships.

However, several design modifications in terms of armarment and some systems modification has been deemed necessary by the Navy, as well as a change of design to accomodate subfighters. The Navy feels that these measures would best and most effectively be implemented if the Doujin vessels were constructed in the UCSNE Deep Angel Shipyards, which was designed for the construction of supervessels (Most notably the Angelus class).

If there are any problems with the modification of the vessel or it's construction in a UCSNE port, please inform us.

TBD: Looking into your history we find it would be a danger to the world to allow a Doujin Class to falll into your possession.


OOC:
Fine! *sniffle* I'll make my own big battleship, and you'll see! *sniffle* You big meanie! :P

May I purchase 3 Doujins at the cost of 750,000,000,000 please.

*Money will be wired upon conformation*

We'll take five.

250 billion will be wired upon confirmation, and then 200 billion will be wired upon delivery of each ship.
If this payment plan is unacceptable others are possible, including a single bulk payment (although that is unfavourable).

Anarresa would like a single Doujin Class Super Battleship. Payment will be transfered evenly over the next 10 years.

OOC: By the way Doujin, when do you intend to take orders from your shop again?

Not really to criticize, Doujin, but I just have two questions:

1 -- Is something that big, practicle?

2 -- How in blazes does it fit through locks?

Oh we've gone through this already when he announced it was launched. It swings either way and there isn't a clear consensus whether it is feasible or godmod. I think it's unfeasible (not godmod) but certainly not feasible but that's just me. It would be a trip to sink though, man that'd set back his government a few billion.

Oh we've gone through this already when he announced it was launched. It swings either way and there isn't a clear consensus whether it is feasible or godmod. I think it's unfeasible (not godmod) but certainly not feasible but that's just me. It would be a trip to sink though, man that'd set back his government a few billion.

OOC: First you gotta find a way to sink one and it's surounding fleet. In the RL world, it isn't feasible at all - but in the NS world it is completely feasible. ;)

OOC:
Confirmations?

The USSCR would like to consider purchasing one ship in the event the icecap melts and we need to live at sea, in which case we'll pile the government in it. :)

Doujin, im still waiting for you to accept my large purchase of your ships... I have no conflict with SS any more...

Doujinn, do i gat my 4? (I've upgraded my offer), money will be wired on confremation

OOC: First you gotta find a way to sink one and it's surounding fleet. In the RL world, it isn't feasible at all - but in the NS world it is completely feasible. ;)

Ever see the episodes of Ren & Stimpy with the big, shiney, red button and Stimpy had to guard it and not push it. Yeah that's what this ship is like. I just want to sink it because its so big ;).

Ever see the episodes of Ren & Stimpy with the big, shiney, red button and Stimpy had to guard it and not push it. Yeah that's what this ship is like. I just want to sink it because its so big ;).

The question is with what, my good friend.

The Kelanthian Navy is interested in purchasing 2 Doujin-class vessels. We are prepared to pay the entire $500 billion in advance, and are more than happy to sign a non-disclosure agreement. Please advise as to the acceptance or denial of this order.

<<Official Kelanthian Ministry of Defense, Procurement Division Communique>>

The question is with what, my good friend.

With nuclear munitions. Everyone is so afraid to use them.

[People are afraid to use them because they know they'll get glassed in return. No sane person uses nukes unless they have no other choice and you have options where a Doujin is concerned, you just have to think about them.]

/me notes the Doujin mk.2 has 18 Nuclear missiles on itself.

ooc: Ah well might as well get on the band wagon ;)

IC:
After much deliberation Crookfur naval procurement has authorised the purchase of 1 Doujin class. (For us to stand around and look at and then see if your electronics work with ours...) the procurement of a second vessel to head up a massed offensive fleet group to carry out both OMP and national objectives may be considered.


OOC: Do i still have shares in one of your companies or is that soemthing totally none related?

I'd like to purchase one, For gunnery practice


Money wired upon confirmation

With nuclear munitions. Everyone is so afraid to use them.

Not nukes, no need. But more torpedoes than a single ship can evade. Combine that with aerial bombs dropped from very high altitude (guided ones of course), EMP munitions, anti-ship missiles, it is surely enough to overbear the defensive systems. The real killing would be with submarines though. I figure, for that, it'd take about a dozen to two dozen direct hits by ADCAPs to sink her. Can't really evade them all, especially not if they are fired from subs that are quieter than anything out there (hence why I'd use my own indigenous projects).

Even better, use ultrastealthy subs loaded with supercavitating torpedoes, or high speed aircraft. Or, if you want to go postmodern, subfighters with supercav torpedo.

I concede you are the best at this Doujin, I'll take 5, I can't pay for all at once, so can I pay installments with interest for each year it takes to build?

*stares at the statistics for this*

As I've just worked out my economy, and do have sufficient to purchase one and support it afterwards, particularly in +30 years...

IC:
Ab-shalom and humble Greetings,

The Sultanate of Vastiva would humbly ask to purchase one Doujin-class Super Dreadnaught for home defense.

We will gladly sign a non-disclosure agreement and wire the full purchase price upon confirmation.

Namaste,
Raahmid Javani
Grand Vizier,
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

Quick reply.

Scoyle: Denied
HP: Denid
Kotterdam: Denied, TG me for questions.
Kriegorgrad: Confirmed for 1
Aust: Denied
Aequatio: Confirmed for 3
NE: Talk to me on AIM
TST: Denied
Dimmimar: Denied
Crookfur: Confirmed for 1
Council of Clan: Denied
IDF: Denied
Vastiva: I'm sorry, wait until you are a little older. I don't particularly want to sell to June/July nations.

NE: Supercav torps don't work too well against heavily armoured targets.

Layertab: Each of my Doujin's have over a hundred ship escort, 15 of those submarines. While your übér stealthy subs might not be detected by passive sonar, but unless I've been totally off base for the past 6++ months, you won't be well hidden against active sonar. And with way over 500 aircraft per Assault Fleet, some designed for high altitude performance to take out your high altitude bombers, anti-submarine/torpedo countermeasures, tertiary hulls (your two dozen adcaps wouldn't be that effective, I do not believe :)) EMP munitions don't have a great effect. Remember, it took 11 torpedos and 18 500lb bombs +++++++ to sink the Yamatto.

Why if I might ask?

Many thanks the funds are wired (or the payment plan established or what ever means of payment might fund sucha long term pruchase).

Anarresa would like a single Doujin Class Super Battleship. Payment will be transfered evenly over the next 10 years.

OOC: By the way Doujin, when do you intend to take orders from your shop again?

I ordered one too

OOC:
Well, supposedly a supercav torp does a lot of KE damage, and is harder to intercept with the Doujin's systems. And since the Doujin is such a huge target, the 'dumb' nature of the sucav can actually help them get past countermeasures.

The idea is that you launch a ton, and chances are most of them will make it past defenses.

One of my modifications to rectify this will be ASHUM guns.

In regards to my shop, I'm working on it - give me a bit so I can finish the new site.

Since it has been expected that rather large amounts of firepower would be aimed at the Doujin in order to completely disable her, there have been significant improvements to the Doujin Class Mk.1, most significantly to the armor and strucural frame that supports it, as well as other measures.

Around the core systems, the primary armour is secondary. Important systems, basically the command center, engines, communication systems, and the main turrets are well protected. Putting aside the exterior armor, they sit about thirty meters from any 'contact point', beyond three "high priority" armored bulkheads, along with exterior panelling and its own very tough level of protection. Deep penetration based missiles can merely hope to get past the first armor layer, destroying blast space, but not going deep within the ship

Since she was designed in (And by) Freethinkers, she was made with Doujin and Freethinker ideas and strategies in mind. Built with a large amount of blast space, which are basically decks sitting between armored bulkheads fitted with items of secondary importance. Pressure release systems(Structural), like those found on many modern day warships to prevent magazine explosion(s) from completely finishing off/destroying the ship, are used throughout the vessel to prevent bulking along the ships frame. The Doujin is built to be hit and have the exterior armor penetrated, yet still have it's vital systems completely intact.

To maintain structural strength, a frame of steel similar to that of a honeycomb is used within lateral titanium meshes that the decks sit on, which in turn are attached to the Composite ribs which are in turn plasma welded to the keel. A tripple bottom of high and low priority belts can and will stop the concentrated blasts of a standard 21" torpedo, and when combined with the sheer length and structural strength of the entier network of metal supports prevents cavitation damage.

Armor:
LP Belt: 12" Treated Plate Steel,3" Composite
HP Belt: 20" Reinforced Plate Steel,3" DPU Band within Composite Panelling
LP Bulkhead: 10" Treated Plate Steel
HP/Keel Bulkhead: 18" Reinforced Plate Steel
CC Bulkhead: 24" Reinforced Composite
Turret: 20" Reinforced Plate Steel, 6" Composite
Turret Faceplate/Roof: 36" Reinforced Titanium

So is my order of 1 Doujin comfirmed?

With the resent release of my own giant ship, I am in need of a good missle platform (although it is well capable) for the role it is needed for.

I know it is designned to do this, but before I fully wish to purchase one, I must ask these questions:

1) Can it reach speeds of an average elite battle fleet? (I saw, and yes, ti can)

2) Can it fire nuclear based weapons (didn't see)

3) The decks, what are their length, and is there any form of acceleration/deccelerating mechanisms on the two decks (flight decks)

3A) Could a B-2 be used on this (via one of your hull to deck elevators)

4) Is it capable of taking massive amounts of hits from Tomahawk/other SSM?

(I know this will usually meet those standerds, and make this look better)

If it does meet the requirements (except 3 and 3A) go ahead and set for construction one for myself for the 1st Liberator Fleet.

OOC: What's the range of a 30" scramjet shell fired from that ETC cannon?
IC:

The ROCN, after considerable evalution of it's needs has decided to procure one Doujin.

[I think it's 650km, Taiwan]

OOC: Hmmm....a chance to add ships to His Majesty's Blue Fleet and not have to divert some of my own labor force. I love it! Will it be possible to purchase four of these wonders?

Aww hell. Doujin I'll purchase one just to sink the damn thing because I can't quell the urge! $250B will be wired upon confirmation. A waste of money you might ask? Well my surplus is like trillions so I have to do soemthing with it right? LOL!

Douj, am I going to forever be stuck with bad ships, or will you accept my old order?

why do you reject me? Is my sig offending you or something?

Douj, am I going to forever be stuck with bad ships, or will you accept my old order?

OOC: You'll need to reorder. www.gaizme.com/nationstates , order there.

Aequatio: Confirmed for 3

We thank the nation of Doujin for the opportunity to own such fine vessels, we shall transfer the funds once we have been informed that they have begun construction.

Sorry, I just heard you were hostile to my ally IDF and of course... that impressed upon me.

And secondly your poll options were too extreme..... It was more of distaste then hatred.

Now, are you willing to sell for 300 Billion?

One ship.

Posted there...

Aww hell. Doujin I'll purchase one just to sink the damn thing because I can't quell the urge! $250B will be wired upon confirmation. A waste of money you might ask? Well my surplus is like trillions so I have to do soemthing with it right? LOL!

Does this mean no target :(?

Does this mean no target :(?

OOC: It takes at least 30 years to build one, you think I'm going to let someone waste it like that? You'll have to go to war with someone who has a Doujin. I don't suggest going to war with me, though ;)

OOC: It takes at least 30 years to build one, you think I'm going to let someone waste it like that? You'll have to go to war with someone who has a Doujin. I don't suggest going to war with me, though ;)

Hmmm in that case can I sink yours? What wait who? LOL! NP...

Hmmm in that case can I sink yours? What wait who? LOL! NP...

Sure, go for the rest of the Fleet too.

Aegir Fleet (Go me for copying a name!)
5 Doujin Class Mk.2 Refit BBCN
1 Ocean Class Aircraft Carrier
2 Infusion Class Aircraft Carrier
4 Leviathon Class Battleships
5 Thunder Child Class Mk.2 Refit Battleships
5 Warspite Class SSGN
15 Astron Class SSN(Fast Attack Sub)
10 Tigershark Class AOE
10 River CLass AOE
10 Clan Grant Class AOE
10 Norasia Class AOE
25 Centaur Class DDG
10 Meteora Class DDG
10 Mackensen Class BBs
30 Broadsword Class Frigates
14 Africa Class Minesweeper/layer
7 Saviour Class Medical Ship

Hmm, I might have to double up on submarines to take them out :)

Hmm, I might have to double up on submarines to take them out :)

You do realize that if you get a submarine too close the subs crew would die due to the sonar systems on the Doujin? -.-

You do realize that if you get a submarine too close the subs crew would die due to the sonar systems on the Doujin? -.-

Yep, that's why I fire my ADCAPs from far away in passive mode :). Unless your fleet is pinging actively on their sonar you won't find my subs as they are quieter than the Virginia NSSN is in real life. And if you go active on your fleet that means everyone and anyone in the water listening will be able to hear it. Kind of like a screwed one way or the other. Fleets, when they travel in hostile waters and even non-hostile, listen on all passive sensors and rarely go to active sensors to maintain that their presence is unknown. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Doujin - Did you ever confirm my order? I posted on page 3.

If you fire a torpedo at that ship, it can't miss. I'd just fire active at maximum range, the ship is so huge that no decoy would hide it

If you fire a torpedo at that ship, it can't miss. I'd just fire active at maximum range, the ship is so huge that no decoy would hide it

Hell man I'll line up a row of 8 submarines and fire all of their tubes at once and it's going to take that ship down really fast! And I am developing a new torpedo using the gel-fuel that I use in my Patriots. The PAC-3 REM of my military has a range of 85 mi and the REM-ER is 155 soooooo... I wonder what it'll do in a torpedo.

Yep, that's why I fire my ADCAPs from far away in passive mode :). Unless your fleet is pinging actively on their sonar you won't find my subs as they are quieter than the Virginia NSSN is in real life. And if you go active on your fleet that means everyone and anyone in the water listening will be able to hear it. Kind of like a screwed one way or the other. Fleets, when they travel in hostile waters and even non-hostile, listen on all passive sensors and rarely go to active sensors to maintain that their presence is unknown. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The thing is, the fleets with my Doujins are always active - simple because there is no element of surprise when you got a kilometer long ship in the composition. Remember, by the way, it took over 11 torpedos and 18 500lb+ bombs to kill the Yamatto. :P

The thing is, the fleets with my Doujins are always active - simple because there is no element of surprise when you got a kilometer long ship in the composition. Remember, by the way, it took over 11 torpedos and 18 500lb+ bombs to kill the Yamatto. :P

Look at those torpedoes of the era. Imagine an ADCAP going into the Yamatto...

Look at those torpedoes of the era. Imagine an ADCAP going into the Yamatto...

Do you want me to break out a comparison comparing the Doujin's armour to the Yamatto's? The outerhull armoured layer on the Doujin is more akin to tank armour and represents what battleship armour would evolve to be had battleship construction continued after the Second World War.

Lets put it this way. The Doujin's armour is designed to resist other Doujin's and their weapons, so what do you think a Mk48 is going to do? Scratch off the paint? Look, I built this things knowing that there would be an insurbordinate amount of weapons fired at it, and protected it as such. The Doujin's aren't designed to evade torpedoes, merely to be protected from them by its armour and by its active defences against them.

Yes, super-dreadnoughts are big targets,...the question is whether or not you have anything to fire at them that will do damage?

Throw Rocks.

That'll sink em in nothing flat.

Would construction time of the vessels I ordered be shortened if the weapon systems were left out so that I may install indigenous weapons and defensive systems? If so, how long will construction time be with the removal of its weapons?

Why am I denied?

I would like to procure one of these behemoths without any weapons, money wired on confirmation.

Also, do you make Carriers?

Aequatio: TG
Aust: Because I just don't like you.
Oddessa: Too young

Kelanis is willing to procure one (1) Doujin-class vessel at a price of 250 US$ billion.

Oh? Whatever happened to your ship that was going to be designed? :)

Enough of "how to sink the Doujin" comments already; that isn't the point of this thread (there have plenty such threads in the past anyways)...

Doujin, did you get my IM?

Aequatio: TG

OOC: Read and replied.

Enough of "how to sink the Doujin" comments already; that isn't the point of this thread (there have plenty such threads in the past anyways)...

Doujin, did you get my IM?

Your what?

LoL, my AIM instant message.....but I guess not, I'll send it again later.

Council of Clan: Denied


Denied? Why is that?


I never I said I was going to use the ship for a gunnery target, just gunnery practice
I mean come on. There people go making assumptions

I'm not shooting at it, but i'm going to use it as a training vessel.

It makes him feel like a big boy to deny peoples orders... Well I guess I'll make my own mega uber battleship then. I almost have to thank doujin for providing those amazing drawings, it makes designing a lot easier for me.

It makes him feel like a big boy to deny peoples orders... Well I guess I'll make my own mega uber battleship then. I almost have to thank doujin for providing those amazing drawings, it makes designing a lot easier for me.

OOC: Grow up, HP :) I am limiting who gets a Doujin, and by your RP history you do not get one. Simple as that. Some peoples children, sheesh *shakes head*

It makes him feel like a big boy to deny peoples orders... Well I guess I'll make my own mega uber battleship then. I almost have to thank doujin for providing those amazing drawings, it makes designing a lot easier for me.

And if you mean the drawings of the Doujin and other ships sold by Doujinshi Corporation/Freethinker Defense Industries, those are protected under international copyright law :)

so why was I denied?

Ok- these things are just plain impractical. There's many ways to destroy them, at least that's what I've heard. I've thought of one.

Council of Clan: Denied


Denied? Why is that?


I never I said I was going to use the ship for a gunnery target, just gunnery practice
I mean come on. There people go making assumptions

I'm not shooting at it, but i'm going to use it as a training vessel.


no, but please do realize that i doubt in the next ten years ship sizes would increase to that considering navies are realizing smaller and quicker is better not GARGANTUAN. and frickin 30+" naval rifles? c'mon, your almost doubling the size of current designs, now if they had gradually gotten bigger since world war II that might be a possiblity but i don't think they would have ever gotten that big. The whole rail gun thing, i'm not too up to date on it. But i doubt that the technology would progress as advanced as yours is within 10 years. So you have cannons that have to be firing shells that weigh close to 10,000lbs, explain to me what your loading mechanisms are, how much powder bags each shell takes, how they are stored, etc.

Second Explain why someone would want a ship with a beam that large?
You can't get through a LOT of waterways in the world thereby limiting the ships uses. Yes on open sea it doesn't matter but tell me what do the sailors think of the fact that they won't get shore leave in so many ports not built to hand something like that.

Explain the uses of this ship, yes you said to combat the other superbattleships but I don't get it, why bother with something that big, why build a ship that has to be a tremendous waste on resources when you can build say 10 Montana-Yamato Size Warships for the same price as one of yours and most missiles in mondern day warfare wouldn't do shit to them.

I am pleased to announce that if any country that buys these attempts to attack me or my allies I will sit in my computer chair laughing till i cry at the penis envy of someone that needs something that big. tell if it is accomplishable in the next 10 years, that would mean construction would start in 5 and that all that technology is here now.

lets remember the story of the Iowa, First 6 ordered in 1936, first one delivered in 1943-1944, and thats with a nation fully into shipbuilding as part of our war machine.

You simply have built something too big to believe feasible or sensible.

You my good friend are a........crap I can't call you anything because that is considered flaming.

And where is your degree in shipbuilding in the real world so that you can pretend that you know what you are talking about, I mean what enourmous shipbuilding firm do you work for?

^^^^^^^^^^^

That is why you were denied.

Ok- these things are just plain impractical. There's many ways to destroy them, at least that's what I've heard. I've thought of one.

So let's hear 'em :) In the past several months, I've been in several major naval conflicts with the original Doujin and left unscathed (even after being hit by 15+- supersonic anti-shipping missiles etc etc etc)

And if you mean the drawings of the Doujin and other ships sold by Doujinshi Corporation/Freethinker Defense Industries, those are protected under international copyright law :)

I laugh at copyright laws... Damn you know you're the one to talk about roleplay history when you ignore whitter because he's much bigger. Go back to your cave

I laugh at copyright laws... Damn you know you're the one to talk about roleplay history when you ignore whitter because he's much bigger. Go back to your cave

[You're not going to be laughing when Doujin, Freethinkers, and I use your sorry ass as a mop to clean the floor with. Do. Not. Highjack. Doujin's. Ship. Drawings. You do, you die.]

Oh? Whatever happened to your ship that was going to be designed? :)

It's coming... but Freethinkers is gone away for a week :-P

[You're not going to be laughing when Doujin, Freethinkers, and I use your sorry ass as a mop to clean the floor with. Do. Not. Highjack. Doujin's. Ship. Drawings. You do, you die.]

http://www.babyandcompany.co.za/johnsons/johnsons6.jpg

So let's hear 'em :) In the past several months, I've been in several major naval conflicts with the original Doujin and left unscathed (even after being hit by 15+- supersonic anti-shipping missiles etc etc etc)


ubermunch...

I laugh at copyright laws... Damn you know you're the one to talk about roleplay history when you ignore whitter because he's much bigger. Go back to your cave

By International, I mean real life copyright laws HP. By infringing on someones copyright here on NS you could be removed. :) And as far as Whittier goes, he's ignored for using puppets in almost every single RP. Hell, his Whittier Pact used to be just only his puppets.

And Kelanis, Freethinker might help you but you think he would really replace our (Even though he did a good deal amount of work, general stats I came up with. It was my decision for it to be that large and such. Originally, the Thunder Child was going to be the Doujin Class - but I wanted larger. Go metal phallic replacements.

SS - Don't threaten him.

Ehm, I think you're on crack. You have buy the copyright mark and then you and only you can produce it. Never heard of tetris? Well the Russian guy who made it up forgot to copyright it so everybody could live off his idea. There's still a difference between OOC and IC you know.

Ehm, I think you're on crack. You have buy the copyright mark and then you and only you can produce it. Never heard of tetris? Well the Russian guy who made it up forgot to copyright it so everybody could live off his idea. There's still a difference between OOC and IC you know.

You need to read fully in depth as to US and International Copyright Law. You don't have to purchase a copyright to have your material copyrighted, however you do if you don't want to go through the legal proceedings proving that you designed/drew the idea.

Do you want me to break out a comparison comparing the Doujin's armour to the Yamatto's? The outerhull armoured layer on the Doujin is more akin to tank armour and represents what battleship armour would evolve to be had battleship construction continued after the Second World War.

Lets put it this way. The Doujin's armour is designed to resist other Doujin's and their weapons, so what do you think a Mk48 is going to do? Scratch off the paint? Look, I built this things knowing that there would be an insurbordinate amount of weapons fired at it, and protected it as such. The Doujin's aren't designed to evade torpedoes, merely to be protected from them by its armour and by its active defences against them.

Yes, super-dreadnoughts are big targets,...the question is whether or not you have anything to fire at them that will do damage?

Like I said earlier or in the other post, the idea of the torpedo is not to hit but to great an air vacuum underneath the ship, thereby take out the water that supports it and keeps it in 1 piece, thereby splitting it in half.

[It was a threat of IC action if he stole your designs, I have neither the will nor the resources to track him down for something so stupid.]

I'll pay 300 Billion for a Doujin.

Edit: And help you train and equip your land forces.

You need to read fully in depth as to US and International Copyright Law. You don't have to purchase a copyright to have your material copyrighted, however you do if you don't want to go through the legal proceedings proving that you designed/drew the idea.


OOC: me thinks some people don't know the difference between Copyright and Patent

no, but please do realize that i doubt in the next ten years ship sizes would increase to that considering navies are realizing smaller and quicker is better not GARGANTUAN. and frickin 30+" naval rifles? c'mon, your almost doubling the size of current designs, now if they had gradually gotten bigger since world war II that might be a possiblity but i don't think they would have ever gotten that big. The whole rail gun thing, i'm not too up to date on it. But i doubt that the technology would progress as advanced as yours is within 10 years. So you have cannons that have to be firing shells that weigh close to 10,000lbs, explain to me what your loading mechanisms are, how much powder bags each shell takes, how they are stored, etc.

Second Explain why someone would want a ship with a beam that large?
You can't get through a LOT of waterways in the world thereby limiting the ships uses. Yes on open sea it doesn't matter but tell me what do the sailors think of the fact that they won't get shore leave in so many ports not built to hand something like that.

Explain the uses of this ship, yes you said to combat the other superbattleships but I don't get it, why bother with something that big, why build a ship that has to be a tremendous waste on resources when you can build say 10 Montana-Yamato Size Warships for the same price as one of yours and most missiles in mondern day warfare wouldn't do shit to them.

I am pleased to announce that if any country that buys these attempts to attack me or my allies I will sit in my computer chair laughing till i cry at the penis envy of someone that needs something that big. tell if it is accomplishable in the next 10 years, that would mean construction would start in 5 and that all that technology is here now.

lets remember the story of the Iowa, First 6 ordered in 1936, first one delivered in 1943-1944, and thats with a nation fully into shipbuilding as part of our war machine.

You simply have built something too big to believe feasible or sensible.

You my good friend are a........crap I can't call you anything because that is considered flaming.

And where is your degree in shipbuilding in the real world so that you can pretend that you know what you are talking about, I mean what enourmous shipbuilding firm do you work for?

^^^^^^^^^^^

That is why you were denied.



pish posh, I was just bored, and that wasn't even directed at you.

and isn't that poor roleplaying for denying someone an IC order for an OOC post, thats akin to declaring war on me for saying something OOC.

That post was between Two Players, now our characters don't even have actual contact, so your just denying it for the sake of doing so, thats kinda bad buisiness

[He doesn't have to sell these, he makes enough money to keep the Doujins to himself and his allies. I would suggest that you be glad he's throwing a bone at all, but you won't be getting a Doujin so I suspose you don't have reason to be happy.]

Although there has been a massive reluctancy to purchase large battleships in the Elias Navy, we feel that it is now a neccesary measure in order not to fall behind as a major military power. As such we would like to order two Thunder Child class vessels except we request them not to be fitted with missile systems as we intend to install indigenous systems. Given these changes please advise us off the purchase price and an estimate of construction time. It is likely that tfurther orders will follow providing these vessels match expectations.



Ministry of Defence Procurement and Export,
Federal Dictatorship of United Elias

The United Star Empire of Valinon would like to purchase six of these vessels for our His Majesty's Great Blue Fleet operating on Earth/Terra. We will wire money in installments once our order is confirmed.

[He doesn't have to sell these, he makes enough money to keep the Doujins to himself and his allies. I would suggest that you be glad he's throwing a bone at all, but you won't be getting a Doujin so I suspose you don't have reason to be happy.]


Actually all I was going to do once I got it was bombard it with MOAB's till it sank.


and figure out other creative ways of killing it.

I have seen the future, and it is glorious!

Actually all I was going to do once I got it was bombard it with MOAB's till it sank.


and figure out other creative ways of killing it.

Explain how you get a modified C-130 anywhere near a ship that has 160 aircraft, let alone the CBG that always surrounds this thing.

Although, my EB-1C could carry a MOAB. You'd need some special systems to keep the thing in the bay, but you could probably do it with large bombers.

well i'll buy 4...(if that's allowed) and Doujin what happened to pics of this stuff come on pics sell!

nope

New Empire: i believe he was really reffering to the fact that he would use an example owned by himself as a target for MOAB practice.

You need to read fully in depth as to US and International Copyright Law. You don't have to purchase a copyright to have your material copyrighted, however you do if you don't want to go through the legal proceedings proving that you designed/drew the idea.

RL laws are not binding in Nationstates, it would have to be a nationstates law.


Anyways,

Celtayoshi submits a request for 1 (one) Doujin Class Battleship.
Payment Plan:
$25bn over the next 9 years.
$50bn on completion
$275bn is the total amount.
Non-Disclosure Agreement
Celtayoshi agrees not to sell/lease the Doujin to any other nation except Doujin. Celtayoshi agrees not to disclose any technical details on any aspect of the ship to any nation except Doujin. Celtayoshi further agrees not to replicate the Doujin Class without prior consent of Doujin.
Amendments to the Non-Disclosure Agreement
Should be submited in telegram form to the Celtayoshi Embassy in Doujin (OOC:I have one i think) for review and the response will be returned to sender.

Celtayoshi hopes a deal can be reached.

By International, I mean real life copyright laws HP. By infringing on someones copyright here on NS you could be removed. :) And as far as Whittier goes, he's ignored for using puppets in almost every single RP. Hell, his Whittier Pact used to be just only his puppets.

Hahahahahaha holy shit I almost got a seizure laughing... Real copyright laws in a game?

It won't be funny if you get deleted for stealing someone else's original material and the person complains. It definately won't be funny if they decide to sue you over infringing on their copyrights.

It won't be funny if you get deleted for stealing someone else's original material and the person complains. It definately won't be funny if they decide to sue you over infringing on their copyrights.

Easy going son, it was RP COPYRIGHT. Like I'm going to be deleted for ripping a little drawing, come on are you kidding me?

Doujin - Did you ever confirm my order? I posted on page 3.
I re-read all the pages and I never seen you confirm my order of 1 Doujin

OOC: me thinks some people don't know the difference between Copyright and Patent

OOC: It is a drawing, you copyright drawing and writings, you patent ideas, processes etc etc.

Easy going son, it was RP COPYRIGHT. Like I'm going to be deleted for ripping a little drawing, come on are you kidding me?

I don't think Doujin is, and I don't think the mods would lie to him about that. But you go ahead and do it, see what happens.

Easy going son, it was RP COPYRIGHT. Like I'm going to be deleted for ripping a little drawing, come on are you kidding me?

No, I mean real life, United States and International Copyright laws, I'm not talking about Comdidias bullshit.

If you are interested in procuring a Doujin Class Super-Dreadnought

Click Here for link to acquire a Doujin (http://www.gaizme.com/nationstates/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=2)

Doujin.

I would like to purchase one Doujin. Money wirded appon confirmation.

OOC: Jeebus Christ. This is the modern naval equivalent of an Imperial Star Destroyer.
We can still buy in this thread, right?

IC: The Ximean War Ministry is interested in a Doujin Super Dreadnaught, but before we commit to a purchase, we wish to know more about the noise-reduction systems. Specifically, we want to know how water bubbles are used to reduce noise. This technique seems counterintuitive to us, as our naval detection specialists have repeatedly assured us that cavitation is a warship's worst enemy in terms of stealth.

The Ministry of Science also wishes to inquire the price of a "bare-bones" set of DSD hulls, devoid of the sophisticated weapons and equipment which make it a formidible warship. Their intention is to refit the vehicle to serve as a sea-borne hot lab and quarantine facility for their Bio-Sciences Division.

I am afraid such a behemoth is impracticle for the Reynesian navy. We prefer the use of Scrunaught-class aircraft carriers. The specifics of this design are still classified, but I have been given permission to tell you that DoNAV has nine of them at its disposal.

I don´t get it ehy you people are a ll buing those ships?

That peace of mettal is already dead before it fires the 1st shell. just imagine; ata cost of 250 Billion, you could get as well 200+ SSGN Ohio with 154 Crouse Missiles each. That would make a total of 30.800 Crouse Missiles.
Where would the Doujin compete with that & it would be imposible for any weapon system to get down 30.800 Missiles. Even 15.000 or 10.000 or 5.000 would be to much to be taken out.

So at the same cost of 1 Doujin you could take out at least 6 of them with the SSGNs, + you would have the advantage to disapear in the dark of the sea afterwards, since it would take every fore its time to reach a target 450+ NM away

I don´t get it ehy you people are a ll buing those ships?

That peace of mettal is already dead before it fires the 1st shell. just imagine; ata cost of 250 Billion, you could get as well 200+ SSGN Ohio with 154 Crouse Missiles each. That would make a total of 30.800 Crouse Missiles.
Where would the Doujin compete with that & it would be imposible for any weapon system to get down 30.800 Missiles. Even 15.000 or 10.000 or 5.000 would be to much to be taken out.

So at the same cost of 1 Doujin you could take out at least 6 of them with the SSGNs, + you would have the advantage to disapear in the dark of the sea afterwards, since it would take every fore its time to reach a target 450+ NM away

One large explosive in the air will detonate most those missiles. There is a problem with heavy missile saturation.

No, I mean real life, United States and International Copyright laws, I'm not talking about Comdidias bullshit.

Tough shit! I'm not in america at the moment!

Doujin, your sales will skyrocket after this. I shudder to think what your placement will be on the next Fortune 20 list. ;)

Tough shit! I'm not in america at the moment!

Notice United States and International copyright laws, and it matters not - the United Kingdom, Australia, and many other western European countries have laws that pretty much say the same thing.

Tough shit! I'm not in america at the moment!

I'm going to help Doujin by trying to make things perfectly clear to you just so you understand what kind of shit you're going to get yourself into if you steal Doujin's work. First, you're probably going to find yourself banned from NS, Doujin has already complained and they have promised to take whatever action they are capable of taking. Second, once you've stolen Doujin's work, under international copyright law the civil case automatically defaults to the plaintiff's jurisdiction, in this case the United States. Then, if he so chooses, he can retain an attorney to bring a case against you and serve you with notification that you're being sued and thus required to show up in court lest judgement automatically fall to the plaintiff. Now, should you fail to show up in court, I believe the Judge has auditors at his disposal to make sure that the order for monetary compensation is carried through. This means that your employer will have to take a certain amount of money per month out of your cheque or that, if necessary, can liquidate the monetary equivilant of your assets.

This is no joke, so I suggest that you stop with the flippant attitude and shut your mouth lest you dig yourself into a hole you can't climb out of.

I'm going to help Doujin by trying to make things perfectly clear to you just so you understand what kind of shit you're going to get yourself into if you steal Doujin's work. First, you're probably going to find yourself banned from NS, Doujin has already complained and they have promised to take whatever action they are capable of taking. Second, once you've stolen Doujin's work, under international copyright law the civil case automatically defaults to the plaintiff's jurisdiction, in this case the United States. Then, if he so chooses, he can retain an attorney to bring a case against you and serve you with notification that you're being sued and thus required to show up in court lest judgement automatically fall to the plaintiff. Now, should you fail to show up in court, I believe the Judge has auditors at his disposal to make sure that the order for monetary compensation is carried through. This means that your employer will have to take a certain amount of money per month out of your cheque or that, if necessary, can liquidate the monetary equivilant of your assets.

This is no joke, so I suggest that you stop with the flippant attitude and shut your mouth lest you dig yourself into a hole you can't climb out of.


You have got to be kidding me, it's just a frickin INTERNET DESIGN of a fictional Warship that CAN'T possibility exist!!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!!!! this is just silly and absurd.

The copyright isn't on the warship, you dipshit, it's on the art that someone (I can't remember who) threatened to rip off. And give one good reason why Doujin, the Mods, or myself has to lie.

Oh, & don´t forget that all that shueing cost a lLOT of money & time, thing that I think Doujin isn´t willed to invest for a creepy idea.

On the other hand you could just take the stuff & register it ofitialy as an intelectual idea. That way it would be yours until proved that Doujin created it before you, thing that is almost imposible

One large explosive in the air will detonate most those missiles. There is a problem with heavy missile saturation.

You don´t actualy think that they come all in in a big giant missile ball that contains 30 k misiles?

they would come in waces & over hours & hours & hours.

You don´t actualy think that they come all in in a big giant missile ball that contains 30 k misiles?

they would come in waces & over hours & hours & hours.

You'll be surprised at how many people launch "4000 missiles at your fleet" simultaneously.

Doujin: Report it to his ISP, to Jolt, to the mods. Simple, he gets deleted at least.

Oh, & don´t forget that all that shueing cost a lLOT of money & time, thing that I think Doujin isn´t willed to invest for a creepy idea.

On the other hand you could just take the stuff & register it ofitialy as an intelectual idea. That way it would be yours until proved that Doujin created it before you, thing that is almost imposible

You need to learn how to spell, sir. Furthermore, the person who loses the case would be forced to pay all court fees.

Doujin, Ive posted my design request on your new forums (very smart by the way) just iin case you didn't see the TG I sent. Thanks. :fluffle:

D*** Doujin are you ever going to answer my question? I am starting to get p***ed.

OOC: I think my request may have been overlooked in the recent confusion, so I'm posting it again. OOC: Jeebus Christ. This is the modern naval equivalent of an Imperial Star Destroyer.
We can still buy in this thread, right?

IC: The Ximean War Ministry is interested in a Doujin Super Dreadnaught, but before we commit to a purchase, we wish to know more about the noise-reduction systems. Specifically, we want to know how water bubbles are used to reduce noise. This technique seems counterintuitive to us, as our naval detection specialists have repeatedly assured us that cavitation is a warship's worst enemy in terms of stealth.

The Ministry of Science also wishes to inquire the price of a "bare-bones" set of DSD hulls, devoid of the sophisticated weapons and equipment which make it a formidible warship. Their intention is to refit the vehicle to serve as a sea-borne hot lab and quarantine facility for their Bio-Sciences Division.

I will take one.

*money wired on confirm*

If you are interested in procuring a Doujin Class Super-Dreadnought

Click Here for link to acquire a Doujin (http://www.gaizme.com/nationstates/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=2)

^^ Read.

RL laws are not binding in Nationstates, it would have to be a nationstates law.

Not true. RL laws have every effect over NationStates, and I seriously doubt Max nor Jolt would really want to get involved legally with anything when someone really is breaking a law. You may also want to read over the Terms and Conditions, if HP were to use copyrighted material while being forbidden to do so by the creators / those who hold the copyright of that material then it would be construed as illegal content, and as it is said in the Terms and Conditions anyone who posts (illegal content) will be removed, and they must indemnify NationStates of all court proceedings if they were to take place.

You have got to be kidding me, it's just a frickin INTERNET DESIGN of a fictional Warship that CAN'T possibility exist!!!!!! HOLY SHIT!!!!!! this is just silly and absurd.

Word of advice, just put these clowns on ignore. You'd get more from an argument with a brick wall than SS or the big D, they've got their heads all up in Munchkin land.

Both of you, out of this thread - thanks :)

Both of you, out of this thread - thanks :)

Doujin
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anger management please. (http://members.lycos.co.uk/nspanooly/iwin.gif)

The Empire of Yallak, although never before purchasing or using foreign technology, has deemed your ship would make a great asset and as such wishes to purchases 1 of your ships.

Money will be wired instantly upon conformation

Doujin
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anger management please. (http://members.lycos.co.uk/nspanooly/iwin.gif)

Yes, you do need anger management classes. I'm sure there are many good anger management programmes near your location, HP.

The Empire of Yallak, although never before purchasing or using foreign technology, has deemed your ship would make a great asset and as such wishes to purchases 1 of your ships.

Money will be wired instantly upon conformation

Confirmed, one Doujin Class Mk.2 Refit en route.

Confirmed, one Doujin Class Mk.2 Refit en route.

The Emperor himself sends thanks for the chance to own 1 of same ship our own Karak class Battleships were modelled on

doujin just try to sue me now. I am waiting.

doujin just try to sue me now. I am waiting.

BTW - I sent off a complaint to lycos, and they answered.

http://members.lycos.co.uk/nspanooly/

Is that the best you got? Taking down a free account? Sore loser.

Is that the best you got? Taking down a free account? Sore loser.

I've also reported your acts to the moderators, who you should be getting something from soon. You are being childish, stop - and kindly, leave my thread :)

^^ Read.
So, you want buyers to sign up to a completely different forum to buy your ship.

Nah.

The Veritasean government would like to inquire as to the possibility of upgrading the 6 Doujin classes we previously ordered to the Mk. 2 refit. We are willing to pay extra and wait longer, if either is necessary. Thank you.

Is it just me or is this about the worst deal anyone could accept. 30 years to build one, with a back order into the dozens? Talk about out dated on delivery. Don't know why anyone would waste money on this prospect.

Is it just me or is this about the worst deal anyone could accept. 30 years to build one, with a back order into the dozens? Talk about out dated on delivery. Don't know why anyone would waste money on this prospect.

Currently there isn't a backorder ;)

whoa

I would like to buy 3 of them with full armament.....

hmm should be around 750 billion

[Swedish, you can't possibly have that kind of purchasing power, procurement only makes up 10% of a defense budget.]

If you are interested in procuring a Doujin Class Super-Dreadnought

Click Here for link to acquire a Doujin (http://www.gaizme.com/nationstates/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=2)

^^ Read.

ooc: Hey, I placed an order at your offsite store quite a few days ago and you haven't responded. Did I do something wrong?

Im gonna be a pain and point out the painfully simple fact that has to be said here. egades boy that thing would blow in a fight. you wouldnt need guided munitions to hit it its huge it would be a piece o piss to hit. battle ships went out years ago for a reason theyre just to big and slow. a couple of well place rounds that thing would be well and truely fu*ked. you cant denie it, it would be a floating lump of fire just like the bismark (if thats how you spell it) hell it had great armour so good it had to be torpedoed a point blank to be sunk.but the top side of the ship just didnt have the armour and can have the armour because it would be top heavy hence the top of the ship becomes a burnin mess of twisted metal when attacked.

Sorry to say it man but its true that ship is godmodded if that was sent to war at me id laugh and leave so would alot of people.

Im gonna be a pain and point out the painfully simple fact that has to be said here. egades boy that thing would blow in a fight. you wouldnt need guided munitions to hit it its huge it would be a piece o piss to hit. battle ships went out years ago for a reason theyre just to big and slow. a couple of well place rounds that thing would be well and truely fu*ked. you cant denie it, it would be a floating lump of fire just like the bismark (if thats how you spell it) hell it had great armour so good it had to be torpedoed a point blank to be sunk.but the top side of the ship just didnt have the armour and can have the armour because it would be top heavy hence the top of the ship becomes a burnin mess of twisted metal when attacked.

Sorry to say it man but its true that ship is godmodded if that was sent to war at me id laugh and leave so would alot of people.

OOC: Ok little boy, let's talk.

Battleships - why aren't they here now? Money. The money wasn't there. Aircraft Carriers generate billions in profits to companies each year, whereas Battleships don't. Aircraft Parts, consultations, hiring the firms that created the craft to come out and do their shit.. generate a lot of money to the economy and the government, and income tax on that puts money back into the government. :)

This ship - This ship was drawn up and filled in by a maritime design student, and even his Professor checked it out and gave the thumbs up. Everyone @ NS agrees that this ship isn't really a godmod, although they may have certain issues until things are explained.

You - Learn to spell, and maybe some grammar too. Leave this thread now, thanks :)

Im gonna be a pain and point out the painfully simple fact that has to be said here. egades boy that thing would blow in a fight. you wouldnt need guided munitions to hit it its huge it would be a piece o piss to hit. battle ships went out years ago for a reason theyre just to big and slow. a couple of well place rounds that thing would be well and truely fu*ked. you cant denie it, it would be a floating lump of fire just like the bismark (if thats how you spell it) hell it had great armour so good it had to be torpedoed a point blank to be sunk.but the top side of the ship just didnt have the armour and can have the armour because it would be top heavy hence the top of the ship becomes a burnin mess of twisted metal when attacked.

Sorry to say it man but its true that ship is godmodded if that was sent to war at me id laugh and leave so would alot of people.

ooc: If it would blow in a fight, and you would laugh if it were sent at you in a fight, then how is it really godmodded?

Im gonna be a pain and point out the painfully simple fact that has to be said here. egades boy that thing would blow in a fight. you wouldnt need guided munitions to hit it its huge it would be a piece o piss to hit. battle ships went out years ago for a reason theyre just to big and slow. a couple of well place rounds that thing would be well and truely fu*ked. you cant denie it, it would be a floating lump of fire just like the bismark (if thats how you spell it) hell it had great armour so good it had to be torpedoed a point blank to be sunk.but the top side of the ship just didnt have the armour and can have the armour because it would be top heavy hence the top of the ship becomes a burnin mess of twisted metal when attacked.

Sorry to say it man but its true that ship is godmodded if that was sent to war at me id laugh and leave so would alot of people.

Well, Im afriad it isnt EG, for it to be a godmod, it would have to be impossible Im afriad. But unfortunately it isnt. It would take a hideous amount of money to build and a staggering amount of resources to construct, but the fact remains there is nothing aboard it that places impossible structural strain on the materials involved that isnt countered by modern technological and ship-building advances.

Expensive? Yes. Cost-Effective? God no. Vulnurable? If you use it like an idiot.Godmod? Fraid not. Whereas I do respect people who wish to play 'real-life' navy warfare, and choose to ignore it, Im afriad most of the people with engineering experience to one degree or another do agree its possible, even if some digress on its tactical value.

Easy Green, we LAUGH at YOU. :P

Sorry but some of us have problems with spelling and gramma, i cant help that. The battelship was removed from navys as it was no longer a viable fighting platform. carriers presented a new threat to battleships that they wernt designed to deal with. yes you could hang guns of them till the cows come home but they are huge targets. Shells and unguided ordanence would make easy prey of this ship.
ok ill retract my statement that is a godmod but i wont retract my statement of it being nothing more that a floating target.

also didnt i have a war with you a long time ago freethinkers?

Sorry but some of us have problems with spelling and gramma, i cant help that. The battelship was removed from navys as it was no longer a viable fighting platform. carriers presented a new threat to battleships that they wernt designed to deal with. yes you could hang guns of them till the cows come home but they are huge targets. Shells and unguided ordanence would make easy prey of this ship.
ok ill retract my statement that is a godmod but i wont retract my statement of it being nothing more that a floating target.

also didnt i have a war with you a long time ago freethinkers?

Well, if thats your tactical doctrine, thats fine :) I disagree, but there you go.

And yes, we did have a war a long time ago. It was the Rotavia Cretian independence war. I sunk one of your type 42's and you sunk my SSGN. Oh happy days.

twas funny. do you remember who sent all those hellies against my fleet. ahh the tactical errors. didnt we begin to design a new ssgn or did i buy some of you?

Yeah, it was you, me....and Doujin. Scary where that lead to, but still. The warspite SSGN. I remember. Good ship. Didnt we....

Nevermind, sorry for the thread hijack Douj.

oh christ yeah sorry mate anyway. drop me a line some time mate (on NS) could trade some equpment ect.

Sorry but some of us have problems with spelling and gramma, i cant help that. The battelship was removed from navys as it was no longer a viable fighting platform. carriers presented a new threat to battleships that they wernt designed to deal with. yes you could hang guns of them till the cows come home but they are huge targets. Shells and unguided ordanence would make easy prey of this ship.
ok ill retract my statement that is a godmod but i wont retract my statement of it being nothing more that a floating target.

also didnt i have a war with you a long time ago freethinkers?

And Carriers aren't huge targets? New anti-air systems pose a serious threat to aircraft, and proper implementation of those systems and new technologies in a Battleship would make a Battleship once again the most powerful ship on the seas. Aircraft Carriers must stay hundreds of kilometers off enemy coasts, sending expensive aircraft that can be shot down by a simple missile and other anti-air defenses that whatever coastal enemy might have. Battleships can sit off the coast, daring people to fire at it, because if they do then they suddenly become toast.

And are you calling the Iowa slow? The Iowa goes 33 knots, whereas the Nimitz Class Carrier goes what.. about 34? The Iowa was made to keep up with fast carrier groups, therefor your argument that Battleships are slow is.. unfounded.

Battleships are designed to soak up and take damage. Modern missiles like the Exocet can only pierce only 2.75 inches of steel, whereas the Iowa has up to 17" of hardened steel amor at it's thickest point.

Now, leave this thread :)

the United Empire of Migaria has watched this ship very closely and other ships competeing with it and we have decided that the builders know what theyre doing so we would like to purchase 2 for 500 billion credits

*money wired upon confirmation thank you

dude you know im right that thing is huge. 2 aircraft decks to come on. the thickest armour is for the hull and top of the deck. im sayin the stuff above would be shot to sh*t just like the bismark. also i dont think you can class this as a battleship either. its more like an aircraft carrier so................ aw fu*k it mate that thing would be no good in a modern fleet otherwise some fool in some country would have done it by now. ahh screw it....

I want one.
---250 Billion wired on confirmation---

Douijin

I'd like to apologize, unfortunetly all I had seen are your listing of stats, i have yet to see the actual blueprints. If you really ARE a Shipbuilding Student then I'll be man enough to admit you know a tad more than me. Studying Dreadnoughts is something I"ve been doing since I was 12 but since i have neither the Math Skills or the Patience to become an engineer, and since the United States Navy no longer actively uses the Iowa class Battleship, I can't really get a career that would allow me to use my interest in such matters. So instead of Joining the Navy I joined the US Army, and am Currently Going to school to become Federal Level Law Enforcement. (little math required in those)

So if you want any knowledge on Military Police(one 3 man team packs more firepower than an Infantry Platoon), General Infantry Tactics or General Law Enforcement stuff, give me a TG.

What school you at?

I'm at Kent State University in Ohio.

Doujin, any chance you could scan the blueprints and put them up for download somewhere?

Axis Nova

Easy Green: In the description, it notes that this is primarily to strike fear into the hearts of enemies and to show off Doujin's power. Doujin admits that it wouldn't be very effective.

Would it be possible to arrange a payment plan for the purchase of a single Doujin-class, over a period of, say, 7 NS years? Although our entire defence budget exceeds the cost of a Doujin, it would require very significant cutbacks to pay with one lump sum.

I would like to buy one doujin.
that will be 250 billion dollars

Can we make a 5 year payment plan?