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Premier Fabus is disatisfied with the M-14 and believes that its time has long since passed as a useful battle rifle. He thinks they belong in museums and reenactment clubs. (Also he is going to blame to problems in Hogsweat on the M-14 rifle so the nation can save face and not have to admit that asians beat CM soldiers in a set piece and pitched battle)


Thus we are going to ask that the nations of the world that have decent battle rifles show us what they have, give a description, tell us why their rifle is better, and then tell us the price.


We are particularly interested in the Objective Individual Combat Weapon (OICW), but we will look at any and all weapons so long as they are keeping with modern or near modern technology.


(Occ- This is going to be a very big and important contract, we suggest that people jump at this chance to secure such a massive deal)


Note that only about 18 million of these rifles go to the CM armed forces. The rest will be distributed to the WKM paramilitary units (20 million strong but not government funded other than basic equipment and such). There will probably be 1 million rifles handed out to the white colonial army of Libya and probably 10-15 million more given to white civlians in Libya. Also 300,000 or so will be given to the white colonists army of Mississippian Egypt. Then there are the 1-3 million white civilians in ME who will be getting rifles. Also the 200,000 or so whites in Tennessee who formed an army loyal to the Mississippians.

The rest we'll stash in hundreds of armories and arsenals for a rainy day. Oh I almost forgot, we have to give some out to the police forces of our nation and our colonies.


Well lets see what you all have to offer.

In other news, CM will be offering for sale to any nation, group, person, etc. about 65 million M-14 rifles.

We're also considering just giving these away. We could dump them onto Africa and they could be used to help rebel groups keep Africa in perpetual anarchy and chaos.


Or we could funnel them to other nation's terrorist groups. Who knows.

All I can say is get ready to see millions of M-14B with CM Armed forces markings (Much more accurate in fully automatic mode than the M-14) turning up at crime scenes, civil wars, and rebellions around the world.

We can supply you with....

3,000,000 WM-04s (Our copy of the AK-47)
1,500,000 CZ-63s (Pistols)
450,000 M-39s (We got them second hand from Finland- we used them for civil defense- but cheap Romanian AK-47s have made them obsolete.)

For all this, we will charge $ 18.5 Million USD.

If you wish to negotiate these terms, please contact us.

Defence Minister Paine

We can supply you with....

3,000,000 WM-04s (Our copy of the AK-47)
1,500,000 CZ-63s (Pistols)
450,000 M-39s (We got them second hand from Finland- we used them for civil defense- but cheap Romanian AK-47s have made them obsolete.)

For all this, we will charge $ 18.5 Million USD.

If you wish to negotiate these terms, please contact us.

Defence Minister Paine



Not to be mean but why on Earth do you think we are getting rid of a rifle from the 1960s? We don't want the AK-47. We want modern technology.

We're quite happy to keep our M-1911-A1 .45 caliber pistols because in the words of the minister of defense Vladimir Markovic, "The .45 caliber pistol is capable of stopping a Negro in full charge with just one round. The 9mm may take as many as 2 or even 3 rounds to bring down the tougher Negro males."


We told you future technology, we want to progress, not regress. Our nation has determined that the AK-47 is, "A junk rifle that is horrendously inaccurate and is essentially made for poorly educated peasants. Our nation and army are quite capable of operating complicated weapons, and properly maintaining them."

We're sorry. We consider the AK-47 modern. We withdraw our offer.

The Nycton Finance Minister has wired a message to CM:
"Nycton has a vast amount of Ak-101 and Ak-102 in underground in boxes, never before used. It numbers in the somewhat number of 125 Million (We were planning on it to be the next Ak-47, but only 3 countries posess it as of right now. Nycton is the only country that issues it to the military. Others are in guerilla hands). Tt is based on the AK-47 designed, but with way more advanced engineering. It combined the simpilistic design and stopping power of the Ak-47 and the effectiveness and accuracy of the M4a1, combining the two of best worlds. The Ak-102 is also available at onlyy a number of 10,000,000 (Special Forces design). If you are interested, please put your price you think if fair to you. Thank you."

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as04-e.htm
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as06-e.htm

We can supply you with XM8 and XM29 OICW rifles to replace them for a low price of 2 billion USD.

We can supply you with XM8 and XM29 OICW rifles to replace them for a low price of 2 billion USD.


Can you give us the specifications for your versions of those weapons?

Occ- Right now Doomingsland is the most likely to get the deal.

OOC:I'll go get the specs right now, it'll take about 5 minutes.

The XM8 is basicly the XM29 without the advanced grenade launcher, and would be issued to anyone other than the grenadeer. Our version is chambered for the 5.56CAD round, which is basicly an longer, more powerful 5.56. The XM29 has an attached grendade launcher that launches "smart rounds" that can be set to burst at a pre set range. If you wish, you can have the weapons chambered for 5.56NATO cartrige, but our round has proven more powerful and accurate. Both weapons have already seen service in several wars, and the troops love them.

http://www.strategyplanet.com/jaggedalliance/ja2guns/images/real_steyraug.gif

The Free Land of Eyeflashia has 475,000 Steyr AUG assault rifles for sale, that were used in the attempt of military rebels to overthrow the government when they were dissatisfied with the more democratic course the country was beginning to take. They are now not needed anymore since Eyeflashia's change to total pacifism. The assault rifles will all come with ten magazines of 5.56 mm ammunition per rifle, and for this we charge $1.5 billion. Some specs:

Caliber: 5.56mm
Capacity: 30 rounds
Weight, loaded(Kg): 4.1
Weight, loaded(lb): 9.0
Effective Range: ~600 meters
Burst: 650(rpm)
Full Auto 3 rds

More specs-
The XM8 was based off the G36 rifle which is in service with many armies. The XM8 features an attached scope, burst, automatic and semi automatic fire. It comes in different varients, such as rifle, carbine, and support. The carbine is a shortened version, and the support is the rifle with a drum mag and heavy barrel.

Disatisfied with CM's rude ignoring ways, the government of Nycton has decided to invest in this "Xm8". Premier Donathon has shown interest for not letting lower tech nations such at CM to gain a upper hand on the battlefield. If the Xm8 is proven successful, the ak-101 and ak-102 days are over, and the 35,000,000 in use by the Nycton military and police groups will be boxed up, and it will be put side by side it's unused models, in some underground bunker of Nycton's northern, snow covored mountians.

Even more spes-
Caliber-5.56
Capacity-10/30/100
Barrel Length-12.5 inches
Weight-6.8 pounds

All of the varients-
Automatic rifle
Carbine
Compact
Sharpshooter

The XM-8 is basically the Assault rifle part of the XM-29. Its not a very good rifle, as it only has a 12.5 inch barrel, compared to the 18 incher on the M-16, or the even longer one on the M-14. Would your soldiers be ok using a gun with half the barrel length?

Chellis offers two choices. The Famas G-2 or the LGW P-14(Not a modified M-14).

The Famas G-2 is the epitomy of the assault rifle. With a red-dot scope, or the Felin system, allows a soldier to aim at enemies with very relative ease. the 1100 RPM allows a soldier to fire a large amount of bullets at an enemy in a short time, one of the primary reasons the assault rifle was created. Its max range is 450m, where an assault rifle is best qualified at 400m, very close. Its single/three round burst/fully automatic modes of fire allow lots of versatility in use, whether the soldier wants one round to take out an enemy, or a quick burst to give cover. The bipod allows for prolonged covering missions and additional accuracy, and with the bull-pup design, it has a barrel the same length as the M-16 with the size of a Carbine.

This is the perfect choice if your soldiers want an assault rifle instead of a battle rifle. If you are interested in the P-14, its a semi-automatic battle rifle with a full length round(8.9x61mm), and is best described as a modern FG-42, it even has a side-loading 20 round clip. We can write up a nice description, but that would take time, and I just wrote up the Famas desc.

The XM8 is basicly the XM29 without the advanced grenade launcher, and would be issued to anyone other than the grenadeer. Our version is chambered for the 5.56CAD round, which is basicly an longer, more powerful 5.56. The XM29 has an attached grendade launcher that launches "smart rounds" that can be set to burst at a pre set range. If you wish, you can have the weapons chambered for 5.56NATO cartrige, but our round has proven more powerful and accurate. Both weapons have already seen service in several wars, and the troops love them.

SOLD!

Nice doing buisiness with you, CM. The order will take 2 NS years to complete.

I can have 100,000 of the rifles shipped straight to your men in Africa if you want.

I would seriously reconsider that, CM.

The M4a1 had a max range of 360 meters, and the XM8 has a two inch shorter barrel, so its probably closer to 300m max range. Why use that gun, when you could use a gun with a stronger bullet, better reliability, and the same range, the AK-47?

The M-14 had a range of 450m max, or about that. With the famas, you get a gun that has the same range, so your troops will be used to the same firing distances, while having a gun that has all the qualities of the Assault rifle, and has good reliability.

The Famas without scope is only $900, while the XM-8 with sights is rated at $1800. We can sell you the weaver rails and Red-dot scopes for only $200 extra, so for the same sight capability, you have a gun that is 700$ cheaper, and better.

He also wants the XM29, and none of those other rifles can do what those can. Plus you have all of the varients of the rifle, and that makes it worth it.

He ordered the X-M8. If he wants the XM-29's grenade system, he can buy the XM-25, which is the grenadier part of the XM-29 without the rifle, as how the XM8 is the rifle part.

The Famas is pretty much better than the X-M8 in every way, and can be modified just as much as the X-M8 can, except for the extendable butt, but the Famas is smaller than the X-M8 length wise anyways.

[Chellis, I've talked to the man who is in charge of the actual XM-8 testing. Not only is the rifle as accurate as the current M-4, it's infinitely more reliable in less-than-perfect enviroments that the M-16 series can't hold up in. Keep your (decidedly uninformed) opinions to yourself.

Also, you are incorrect about several aspects of the current future infantry weapons program. The XM-8 is incapable of mounting the 20mm grenade portion of the (now cancelled) XM-29. Furthermore, the XM-25 is known as the Objective Crew Served Weapon, and is a automatic grenade launcher designed to replace the M-2.]

I'm also giving him XM29s, besides, the FAMAS only has a 25 round magazine and a really high rate of fire. Right now, CM is having trouble with large crowds, and a rifle with a high rate of fire and a small magazine wouldn't work as well against a swarm of people, the soldier would run out of ammo too quickly. Who says you can't modify the XM8 to have a longer barrel? They do have a version with a longer barrel.

I'm also giving him XM29s, besides, the FAMAS only has a 25 round magazine and a really high rate of fire. Right now, CM is having trouble with large crowds, and a rifle with a high rate of fire and a small magazine wouldn't work as well against a swarm of people, the soldier would run out of ammo too quickly. Who says you can't modify the XM8 to have a longer barrel? They do have a version with a longer barrel.

And you can give the Famas a larger barrel too. The standard X-M8 barrel is 12.5 though. There is three round burst and single fire for the Famas, so you dont need to worry about wasting bullets, most soldiers only use fully automatic when they need alot of bullets in a little time, and thats perfect with the Famas. In addition, the Famas can accept 30 round Stanag rounds, with no conversion.

SS, Accuracy does not equal effective range. If the X-M8 has the same effective range with a shorter barrel, its either less accurate at those ranges, or the recoil/muzzle climb is higher. Also, I wasnt saying the M4a1 was more reliable, I was saying the AK-47 was, with nearly the same range.

Even if the X-M8 takes the cons, and has the same max range, thats 360 meters, about 100 less than the famas g2.

We offer the PG36, our version of the Heckler und Koch G36. It is not different from the original HK G36, although it has a slightly longer barrel. We also build it out of lightweight metals so it weighs only 5 pounds. It uses delayed blowback so the thing won't easily blow up in your hands :) Our military loves the thing... On the other hand I can offer you a load of PNAC Model C rifles, based on the CETME model C, a Spanish-made rifle. These require less cleaning than the PG36... although these have smaller clip capacities and much lower rates of fire, but they are good for paratroopers (they have collapsible stocks) I posted something about my rifles in a previous post. Of course, our military uses very good rifles, and as our state-owned arms company's motto says; "If it's a PNAC (pee-nak), it's gold." They're worth their weight in gold, yet they are made massively and cheaply, and still VERY good quality. Anyway, if you want these, just tell me and I'll give you a few prices.

On the other hand, we can also sell you V3 missiles. They can be launched from silos, ships, and even modified trucks. They are capable of carrying nuclear warheads. These are highly accurate and well ranged; they use GPS systems to track themselves in relation to their target.

SS, Accuracy does not equal effective range. If the X-M8 has the same effective range with a shorter barrel, its either less accurate at those ranges, or the recoil/muzzle climb is higher. Also, I wasnt saying the M4a1 was more reliable, I was saying the AK-47 was, with nearly the same range.


[The XM-8 was designed for the current and future threat enviroments, which means that full barrels are not needed and are in fact a hinderence where shorter-ranged battles are projected to take place. Furthermore, the XM-8s development cycle is by no means complete, the 12.5 inch barrel is not final.]

I want this


Objective Individual Combat Weapon (OICW),

Axis Nova would like to propose an alternative to standard bullet-firing weapons, and invites you to peruse the technical specifications of our gyroc weapons systems: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=324617


Axis Nova State Department

OK, that's what you're getting then. Would you like them shipped to your men in Africa?(the first batch, I mean)

http://www.gunandsport.com/images/rifles/HK_SL8.gif?SSImageQuality=Full

Caliber 223 Rem.
Upper rec. Forged A2
Barrel 16" Chrome HBAR
Bbl. twist 1 in 9"
Ft. sight base M16 style
Muzzle device Recoil check
OAL 39.5"
Weight 8.2 lbs.
Accuracy 1.5" gp @ 100yrds (1.5-2 MOA)

does this catch your fancy

Okie. Axis Nova, I replied in your thread. By the way, XM29 OICWs are expensive to make, so CM, prepare for big expenses... it'd be better if you purchased a manufacturing contract so you can mass produce them yourself...

CM, you do realize that the OICW weighs over 16 pounds, and has an even shorter barrel than the XM8, a 10 inch barrel? It also costs a ton.

SS, CM isnt america, and NS isnt the real world. Most NS conflicts are real ones, with large amounts of fighting, not iraq type fighting. If your troops come up against an enemy with 100-150 meter range over you, they can start killing your soldiers before you can even hit them. Furthermore, theres no point arguing about possible barrel changes with the XM-8, because if he buys them, its not going to be changed yet.

CM, I really suggest you buy the Famas G2, as well as the XM-25 system.

mine are cheap and inexpensive. and best of all the come with a lifetime unlimited warrenty.

and if you act now you get your order doubled for free

the price for this package

$1,million
plus free acid grenades

Okie. Axis Nova, I replied in your thread. By the way, XM29 OICWs are expensive to make, so CM, prepare for big expenses... it'd be better if you purchased a manufacturing contract so you can mass produce them yourself...


Okay, sell us the rights. How much?

What about my PG36 rifles? It's easier to train soldiers to use those... Many of my soldiers are from poor backgrounds (since the richer ones use those damn draft havens such as college, etc.) and have never even touched (and sometimes even seen) a rifle, and yet they catch the concept quick. Now, training draftees to use an XM29 OICW is expensive, because you have to teach them how to use the grenades effectively, how to use that complex computerized ballistics computer in the scope, etc. -- hard training. My soldiers are still pretty effective, and they have shown their effectiveness in several missions (within the nation)

Okay, sell us the rights. How much?
Err... we don't sell the rights to those. We don't manufacture XM29 OICWs...

The Xm-29 OICW must be a bitch to clean regularly, too, being so complicated. Also, I wouldnt trust the sights to take too much battle damage, lest it stop working or malfunction.

Axis Nova wishes to point out that it's gyroc weapons systems are quite simple to clean and maintain.

Axis Nova

Okay we're stopping the deals and not transferring money to anybody until we can get better offers.


We want something that is efficient and light-weight, with good range, and lots of accessories such as grenade launchers.

Axis Nova, have you at least tried drawing one of your... enhanced... guns on paper? Or on CAD if you want detail? I don't really get the concept of rocket powered small arms ammunition yet... I still think it's expensive.

yes but what about a warrenty.i got that.

I can sell you the rights!
All that stuff they're saying is why I was recomending the XM8, which just the rifle without the grenade launcher. You can give the 29s to grenadiers in each squad, that's how the US plans to use them.

How would your warranty be effective in another jurisdiction? Is your arms company globalized?

Edit: It isn't exactly a great idea to offer WARRANTIES WITH GUNS. People keep mishandling them and sadly killing the person next to them at times. Arms companies would go bankrupt for this practice. Also, you'd be handling thousands of warranties for each individual gun.

I already offered you 2 billion, how much cheaper can it get?

How would your warranty be effective in another jurisdiction? Is your arms company globalized?

Edit: It isn't exactly a great idea to offer WARRANTIES WITH GUNS. People keep mishandling them and sadly killing the person next to them at times. Arms companies would go bankrupt for this practice. Also, you'd be handling thousands of warranties for each individual gun.
wrong warrenty i talking about the weapons not for personel injury!

http://www.hkpro.com/image/greyg11.jpg
plz take a look at our intergrated rifle\grenade weapons
all with stealth tech. and all you can use grenades

I already offered you 2 billion, how much cheaper can it get?

I'm willing to spend up to 20-50 billion dollars for the 100 million rifles I want.

I already offered you 2 billion, how much cheaper can it get?

Thats 20 dollars a gun O.o

The US army isnt going to use the XM-29 at all. Jeez. Its using the XM-8 and probably the XM-25 as a grenadier weapon.

CM, the Famas has less weight than the M4a1, 3.6kg, it has a range the same as your old gun, which is a nice range, and the Famas g2 can except the M-203 40mm grenade launcher.

CM, if you're price range is that, its 200-500 dollars for each gun... Unless you want AK-47's, dont expect that...Even the XM-8 without sights is $600 a gun.

CM, if you're price range is that, its 200-500 dollars for each gun... Unless you want AK-47's, dont expect that...Even the XM-8 without sights is $600 a gun.


Okay we'll we're willing to pay 500 billion dollars total if we can get lots of neat accessories.

We'll sell you all the XM8s you need, there will be enough XM29s to equip all of your grenadiers, and you will also recieve the accesories to convert the weapons to the varios varients for the price you specified.

We can sell you the Famas FELIN system for 3,000(2,100 for the gun, 900 for the helmet, etc).

Here is a good description of it.

http://www.giat-industries.com/asp/us/pdf/us_ftech_famafeli.pdf

Edit: This too

http://www.giat-industries.com/asp/us/prod_felin.asp

We can sell you the Famas FELIN system for 3,000(2,100 for the gun, 900 for the helmet, etc).

Here is a good description of it.

http://www.giat-industries.com/asp/us/pdf/us_ftech_famafeli.pdf

Edit: This too

http://www.giat-industries.com/asp/us/prod_felin.asp


We'll take 20 million. Will you sell them to us?

The qualities we want in our rifle


1) Lots of neat technology and gadgets. (Oh, what does this button do?)

2) Good capacity. 30 rounds+ (Load it on Monday, and fire all week)

3) Good caliber. Nothing below 5.56mm NATO, we want it to make noise (BAM!)

4) Deadly accurate up to 600 meters (Reach out and touch somebody)

5) Ability to have accessories. Grenade launcher, bayonet perhaps, but definitely grenades (Thump, boom!)

6) Ability to accept all sorts of night vision equipment (It's dark and they can't see us. BAM!)

7) The ability to be "Solider-proof" is not necessary, because CM soldiers are all quite intelligent. But a rifle that is durable and hard to break is a must (Because they can be clumsy at times)

8) The cost doesn't matter. We can loot pension funds from our nation's companies. Or we can divert welfare and social security funds if we have to.

9) The ability to handle well in all terrain and weather conditions. Our current M-14B rifle has a tendency to freeze up when in temperatures below -20º F.

10) The rifle must not be too heavy. (Tell me what the one you're offering weighs, I'll tell you yes or no on the weight)

11) The rifle must be having semi-automatic capability. In addition, it must have either one or both of the following, burst or full-auto.

12) A collapsible stock is nice also, but not necessary.

13) It must have a rear pistol grip. A front pistol grip is also nice, but not required.

[Ah, so you want a show rifle. You want lots of gadgets yet you don't want weight, you want a heavy bullet but it has to be an extremely accurate bullet at long range. The latter is especially impossible, if I were you I would take a rifle with a light bullet like the 4.7mm Caseless and adopt scramjet rounds for it so it has massively wounding terminal effects, cause no heavy bullet is going to be as accurate at range as a relatively light bullet going hypervelocic speeds.]

We can supply you with XM8 and XM29 OICW rifles to replace them for a low price of 2 billion USD.



We want 80 million XM8s and 20 million XM29 OICW. Name your price. (Or is it the 2 billion you talked about?)


You have won the contract to provide our nation with the standard infantry weapons.

Primary infantry weapon: XM8
Secondary infantry weapon: XM29 OICW
Tertiary infantry weapon: M-14B


After that, we have some paramilitary (WKM) units armed with M-14Bs, M-16A2s, M-16A3s, Fn-Fals, G-3s, HK-91s, G-36s, AK-74s, and a variety of other rifles.

Our reserves are all to be armed with a variety of XM8s, OICWs, and M-14Bs

Chellis has sent them for a total price of 300 billion dollars.

By the way, most guns dont have an effective range of 600m. The XM-29, and Xm-8, probably dont even have a max range of it.

Chellis has sent them for a total price of 300 billion dollars.

By the way, most guns dont have an effective range of 600m. The XM-29, and Xm-8, probably dont even have a max range of it.


A 5.56mm round can carry for about 2 miles. But what power it has at that range is questionable.

Don't forget about that guy in the old west, I forget his name, he shot an indian with an open-sighted rifle at a distance of 1.1 miles. They called it "The long shot".

I keep thinking more and more I'm better off just sticking with the M-14B, or making a new version of the rifle. The 22 inch barrel (Which equals range and better accuracy), the solid design, the caliber. All make the M-14 a reliable and still much sought after weapon.

Greetings my trusted ally-

I arm my Immortals with the XM-8, usually the 20 inch barrel model. The XM-8 has many attachments and varieties including the regular carbine the carbine with a grenade launcher, a compact carbine about the size of an SMG, a 20 inch barrel version and an automatic rifle version with a 20 inch barrel and a 100 round drum magazine.
We are currently moving our army away from the M-16s and G-3s into the XM-8.

ooc: Information is HERE (http://www.military.com/NewContent/0%2C13190%2CGear_051104_XM8%2C00.html)

We use the 6.8mm cartrige in our rifles and find that his has more stopping power then the 5.56. To test this out for yourself we will ship five free test models to you, I'm sure you could find a way to test these on people.

Greetings my trusted ally-

I arm my Immortals with the XM-8, usually the 20 inch barrel model. The XM-8 has many attachments and varieties including the regular carbine the carbine with a grenade launcher, a compact carbine about the size of an SMG, a 20 inch barrel version and an automatic rifle version with a 20 inch barrel and a 100 round drum magazine.
We are currently moving our army away from the M-16s and G-3s into the XM-8.

ooc: Information is HERE (http://www.military.com/NewContent/0%2C13190%2CGear_051104_XM8%2C00.html)


Okay, the 20 inch barrel it is.

Excellent choice. We can also reliably tell you that this gun does not jam like the M-16 and has enough stopping power if you don't mind switching your standard ammunition. Note also that the rifle can be changed among those configurations with the accesories provided with each gun.

We'll sell at $600 Per Rifle and accessories. (you save $100)

Excellent choice. We can also reliably tell you that this gun does not jam like the M-16 and has enough stopping power if you don't mind switching your standard ammunition. Note also that the rifle can be changed among those configurations with the accesories provided with each gun.

We'll sell at $600 Per Rifle and accessories. (you save $100)


We just bought all the weapons we can afford for a while. We're good to go. Thank you though.

I now need to dump about 200 million M-14 rifles. I figure I'll just dump them on the people of CM, give them away to anybody who wants one.

You have an army of 18 Million? Think realistically. Or is that crews and logistics too?

I could always use some M-14s as gifts to my people.

You have an army of 18 Million? Think realistically. Or is that crews and logistics too?

When I say the division is 18,000 people. That translates to probably 3 combat brigades of 4,000-5,000 each, and the rest are in supply and such. It doesn't count crews though.


And as it is, my armed forces are about 1.5-1.8% of my nation, quite realistic.

http://www.strategyplanet.com/jaggedalliance/ja2guns/images/real_steyraug.gif

The Free Land of Eyeflashia has 475,000 Steyr AUG assault rifles for sale, that were used in the attempt of military rebels to overthrow the government when they were dissatisfied with the more democratic course the country was beginning to take. They are now not needed anymore since Eyeflashia's change to total pacifism. The assault rifles will all come with ten magazines of 5.56 mm ammunition per rifle, and for this we charge $1.5 billion. Some specs:

Caliber: 5.56mm
Capacity: 30 rounds
Weight, loaded(Kg): 4.1
Weight, loaded(lb): 9.0
Effective Range: ~600 meters
Burst: 650(rpm)
Full Auto 3 rds


This offer is now being withdrawn because a new revolution has been started, and Eyeflashia needs all weapons it can get for the time being.

((You know, most people who say stuff about the M-16 and M4, never bother to find out exactly why it got this bad 'wave' for jamming, as that is completly untrue.))

CM, our military uses the PG36, which I already explained. It is capable of being fitted with the PAG36 40mm grenade launcher, or old AK-74 bayonets (which are still scattered around our nation after the old military government was dissolved) The PG36E is the standard issue for riflemen, while the PG36C is for commandos. They all have collapsible stocks.

CM, our military uses the PG36, which I already explained. It is capable of being fitted with the PAG36 40mm grenade launcher, or old AK-74 bayonets (which are still scattered around our nation after the old military government was dissolved) The PG36E is the standard issue for riflemen, while the PG36C is for commandos. They all have collapsible stocks.


We're going to go with the 20 inch barrel XM8s and the XM-29.

=

Looks exactly like a G36. :D Still looks badass, though.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/xm8-1.jpg

Anyway, my point is that you're adopting a weapon that is still in testing phases in real life.

Let me calculate the price.

Our price is 120 billion. That's a lower price too.
The rifles will begin shipping immediatly, it will take 1.5 NS years to complete the order. You should have enough to arm several divisions within one NS month. You get all the cool accesories too.

Let me calculate the price.

Our price is 120 billion. That's a lower price too.
The rifles will begin shipping immediatly, it will take 1.5 NS years to complete the order. You should have enough to arm several divisions within one NS month. You get all the cool accesories too.


I need enough to arm about 18 million soldiers. Then there are the paramilitaries in my nation that we don't really support, but we just give them whatever weapons they want. But they don't receive salaries and so they are not a real economic burden.

I'll have those rifles shipped immediatly. The rest will come in later shippments.

Hhmm did you ever finally decide on an option?

Anyway If you liek your M14s so much you coudl always imrpove them or just repalce them with Late model G3s same round, but more reliable and slightly lighter.

As a true alternative i would say forget any 5.56mm weapon (yes chellis the FAMAS is a very nice rifle but it still uses that horid little round the americans force on the world) you get offer and go for soemthing different. A G36/M4/XM-8 in 6.8mm REM SPC would be nice up close and perform far better than 5.56 over a slightly longer range but it still isn't brilliant as it puts too much emphasis on close rnage power froma short barrel. No what you really want is a decent intermediate round such as .270Win, 7mm/.280british or my personal choice the excellent 6.25x43mm round: all the power of 7.62mm at 600m but with the recoil and weight not much more than 5.56mm.

You could use this awesome round with one of my custom rifles or i could even design an M16 upper/barrel repalcement package (using the HK4 mechanism) specailly for you. Details on my rifles, the S1 and S7 can be found here (http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/rifles.html)
I even offer a nrage of MGs and Sniper rifles to complement these weapons.