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Time: 8:16pm
Location: 150 Miles from Communist Mississippi

Admiral Petrov stood on the command deck of the Aircraft Carrier Baria.He stood nervously..enjoying the blue ocean until his assistant approached him.

"Comrade Admiral,Sir,Word from Lusankavov"

He slowly opened the envelope and read with care and took a deep breathe..the moment of truth had come.

"Radio all ships,tell them to begin bombardment of Communist Mississippi"

Within 10 minutes,The targets had already been set into the computers and the massive bombardment began.One AS-19-M Cruise Missile after another launched into the skies towards CM.A total of 150 were launched..most were aimed at coastal defense or oil refineries

Overhead,10 Squadrons of MiG-29Ks,which had launched from there carriers earlier had reached there destination.With CM seemily thinking peace had been made they made a suprise strike at some ships.They used KH-45 Super-Sonic Anti-Ship missiles hoping to sink some of the vessels.

Under the waves,A 4 Oscar-II Class Anti-Ship Submarines submerged

"Sir,Ships in sight"

"Fire"

A volley of 50 SS-N-19 Anti-Ship Missiles were launched at various CM vessels and they quickly dived

The attack on the CM coastline was going a planned..or so it seemed.MiG-29Ks dropped guided bombs on targets

Is this on libya, egypt, or communist mississippi itself? Because if its on mississippi itself ,you know that mississippi is landlocked, right?

For violation of the peace treaty, not contacting me. I've made it clear I don't RP unplanned wars because of the tendancy for godmodding. I RP with whom I want when I want. You are ignored. Yes I can do that. I have 5-6 other RPs going on right now and I cannot handle a major war. You're a major jerk is what you are for 1) Not consulting me when you know I have my hands full with 1/2 dozen RPs. 2) violating peace treaties you just made but had no intention of keeping.

I fire the ignore cannon at you and now go back to my other RPs.

If you don't like it call 1-800-EAT-SHI*

Time: 8:16pm
Location: 150 Miles from Communist Mississippi

Admiral Petrov stood on the command deck of the Aircraft Carrier Baria.He stood nervously..enjoying the blue ocean until his assistant approached him.

"Comrade Admiral,Sir,Word from Lusankavov"

He slowly opened the envelope and read with care and took a deep breathe..the moment of truth had come.

"Radio all ships,tell them to begin bombardment of Communist Mississippi"

Within 10 minutes,The targets had already been set into the computers and the massive bombardment began.One AS-19-M Cruise Missile after another launched into the skies towards CM.A total of 150 were launched..most were aimed at coastal defense or oil refineries

Overhead,10 Squadrons of MiG-29Ks,which had launched from there carriers earlier had reached there destination.With CM seemily thinking peace had been made they made a suprise strike at some ships.They used KH-45 Super-Sonic Anti-Ship missiles hoping to sink some of the vessels.

Under the waves,A 4 Oscar-II Class Anti-Ship Submarines submerged

"Sir,Ships in sight"

"Fire"

A volley of 50 SS-N-19 Anti-Ship Missiles were launched at various CM vessels and they quickly dived

The attack on the CM coastline was going a planned..or so it seemed.MiG-29Ks dropped guided bombs on targets


Oh by the way my entire navy is off my coastline. My AAA and SAM defenses are some of the most comprehensive in the world. I also have over 25,000 fighter aircraft stationed at home.

You're a godmodder and you can add that to the list of reasons why I'm ignore this. (Mostly I'm busy as hell with other RPs and I just don't have time for you, and this is a free game you RP with whom you want. And to be honest I really don't want to RP with somebody like you)

OOC:Actually in my other thread.I stated my navy was 200 miles off your coastline.You didnt say anything.You're just a big baby that cant handle the situation when it gets hot.

Time: 8:16pm
Location: 150 Miles from Communist Mississippi

Admiral Petrov stood on the command deck of the Aircraft Carrier Baria.He stood nervously..enjoying the blue ocean until his assistant approached him.

"Comrade Admiral,Sir,Word from Lusankavov"

He slowly opened the envelope and read with care and took a deep breathe..the moment of truth had come.

"Radio all ships,tell them to begin bombardment of Communist Mississippi"

Within 10 minutes,The targets had already been set into the computers and the massive bombardment began.One AS-19-M Cruise Missile after another launched into the skies towards CM.A total of 150 were launched..most were aimed at coastal defense or oil refineries

Overhead,10 Squadrons of MiG-29Ks,which had launched from there carriers earlier had reached there destination.With CM seemily thinking peace had been made they made a suprise strike at some ships.They used KH-45 Super-Sonic Anti-Ship missiles hoping to sink some of the vessels.

Under the waves,A 4 Oscar-II Class Anti-Ship Submarines submerged

"Sir,Ships in sight"

"Fire"

A volley of 50 SS-N-19 Anti-Ship Missiles were launched at various CM vessels and they quickly dived

The attack on the CM coastline was going a planned..or so it seemed.MiG-29Ks dropped guided bombs on targets



Oh by the way we're not in 1900. CM has a neat invention it's called radar and satellites. The second a single plane took off we'd scramble thousands of fighters.

You're a shameless godmodder, add that to the list of why I'm ignoring you.

OOC:Actually in my other thread.I stated my navy was 200 miles off your coastline.You didnt say anything.You're just a big baby that cant handle the situation when it gets hot.



My nation was out there to "Draw the line" for whittier in the event he tried something. It was posted in other threads my naval movements.

This is a game, I play with who I want. If you don't like, I suggest you F--- off.

CM, he didnt say he hit you. You could still scramble planes, jeez.

Also, ignoring just your busy? That is a new low...

Malatose, I suggest taking his lands if he ignores you. Just ignore him back.

I ususually put hours if not days planning into most of my RPs. Sometimes even more. I use live real-time chat to coordinate everything with people. I don't anything I don't plan on doing. I RP what I want to RP with the people I want to RP it with. You I don't not want to RP with. I think it is a fundamental right on this board, in any game for that matter, that we RP with whom we so choose. I have not chosen to RP with you. So as they say, "Don't let the door hit your a-- on the way out."

Bye Bye.


My allies need do nothing because I am not acknowledging this nation exists.

I think you're the first nation I ignored. Well every other nation has stayed with my rules for RPing with me and planned everything with me to great detail beforehand. You sir however did not. Thus you are ignored.

CM, he didnt say he hit you. You could still scramble planes, jeez.

Also, ignoring just your busy? That is a new low...

Malatose, I suggest taking his lands if he ignores you. Just ignore him back.


I have 6 other RPs going.


Occ- Okay how about we don't ignore each other and I just unleash 10,000 ICBMS scrap this nation, scrap your nation. And I go to my large backup nation. Do you want that.


Reply to Chellis. It's a free fing country (Well not really, with the Skull and Bones Bush as president). But we still have some freedoms. And I'm free to ignore anybody I damn well want. Especially when I am putting my time and energy into other RPs that I want to RP. So take a hike

CM,

I don't think you should just ignore him, lets get the allies together.

Secondly Malatose has broken a treaty with you so go ahead and start deporting natives.

just when I thought the forums had gotten low enough..a new person comes and puts them even lower.lol

good call CM,

Malatose you are ignored.

*yawns* so let me guess.you're CM's maid?

just when I thought the forums had gotten low enough..a new person comes and puts them even lower.lol


I plan to be buried face down, so anybody who does not like me can. Do I really need to say what they can do?

Parthian why dont you pull your head out of CM's ass?

OOC:

Ok, Communist Mississipi..some friendly avise here:

1. You can't ignore him simply because he broke a treaty with you. During the course of history nations have begun wars by breaking treaties. You being Communist should well know this - think the German invasion of the Soviet Union two years after Hitler signed an NAP with Stalin.

2. Ok, he posted his fleet in another thread and you failed to respond - and now you cry about it because you made a mistake. Not everything is lost.

3. If his fleet is 200km from your coast, what can you do? Launch missiles, that's what you can do... it's the easiest course - dude, imagine the RP you can get into. It's your fault your fighting like five other wars... maybe this war was started because of those other wars - meaning its a spinoff.


CM, I suggest you cool down - prospone the invasion for today, and tomorrow get on and counter his attack. If you're not cool, you're going to lose every single war you get into and it's going to turn into a big ass ignore fest - Bisons has that problem, that's why he's on my ignore list, as well as dozens of others.

OOC:

Ok, Communist Mississipi..some friendly avise here:

1. You can't ignore him simply because he broke a treaty with you. During the course of history nations have begun wars by breaking treaties. You being Communist should well know this - think the German invasion of the Soviet Union two years after Hitler signed an NAP with Stalin.

2. Ok, he posted his fleet in another thread and you failed to respond - and now you cry about it because you made a mistake. Not everything is lost.

3. If his fleet is 200km from your coast, what can you do? Launch missiles, that's what you can do... it's the easiest course - dude, imagine the RP you can get into. It's your fault your fighting like five other wars... maybe this war was started because of those other wars - meaning its a spinoff.


CM, I suggest you cool down - prospone the invasion for today, and tomorrow get on and counter his attack. If you're not cool, you're going to lose every single war you get into and it's going to turn into a big ass ignore fest - Bisons has that problem, that's why he's on my ignore list, as well as dozens of others.

Thank you for your words of wisdom.Its people like CM that shouldnt be allowed to RP on these forums.

CM /can/ Ignore anyone he wants, even though I wish he wouldnt refer to the internet as america, as he did.

Most likely everyone will ignore him back however, for ignoring in a situation like this.

Parthian why dont you pull your head out of CM's ass?


Why don't you f--- off.

OOC:

Ok, Communist Mississipi..some friendly avise here:




CM, I suggest you cool down - prospone the invasion for today, and tomorrow get on and counter his attack. If you're not cool, you're going to lose every single war you get into and it's going to turn into a big ass ignore fest - Bisons has that problem, that's why he's on my ignore list, as well as dozens of others.



I don't RP wars with people that I don't put planning and proper time into beforehand.

I RP with whom I want when I want.


I hear you liberals always whining about "Choice" "The right to choose"


Well I get to choose who I RP with. So tough sh-- if you don't like that.

I don't RP wars with people that I don't put planning and proper time into beforehand.

I RP with whom I want when I want.


I hear you liberals always whining about "Choice" "The right to choose"


Well I get to choose who I RP with. So tough sh-- if you don't like that.

Another reference to the internet being america...

CM and Parthian have been ignored.

I have 6 other RPs going.


Occ- Okay how about we don't ignore each other and I just unleash 10,000 ICBMS scrap this nation, scrap your nation. And I go to my large backup nation. Do you want that.


Reply to Chellis. It's a free fing country (Well not really, with the Skull and Bones Bush as president). But we still have some freedoms. And I'm free to ignore anybody I damn well want. Especially when I am putting my time and energy into other RPs that I want to RP. So take a hike


OOC:

Let me get this right... you're going to fire 10,000 ICBMS?

You're probably over 10,000 km from Malatose - this planet is HUGE.... not only that...but an S-400 can down almost 100% of those babies - if enough to in the air, 100% of those babies...ICBMs are slow as hell.

I mean hell - if you could fire 10,000 ICBMS I'll smoke you with 27,000... but I understand that that's impossible.

CM and Parthian have been ignored.


Well I did decide to unignore you but whatever.....

Another reference to the internet being america...


We're actually the United States of America.


America by definition is

A·mer·i·ca (…-mµr“¹-k…) Abbr. A., Am., Amer.. 1. The United States. 2. Alsothe A·mer·i·cas (-k…z) The landmasses and islands of North America, South America, Mexico, and Central America included in the Western Hemisphere.

Im ignoring both CM and Parthians before this thread turns into a flame war.

CM and Parthian have been ignored.

Good you've been on my ignore list for a few minutes now.

You could very well be the first person to make the list.

It is easy to get on, all you have to do is break the rules for RPing with CM that CM has setup. And not consulting CM before an RP involving CM is breaking the 1st and most important rule.

1) CM must always be informed before CM is to become involved in or the main focus of any RP.

2) CM can RP with whom CM chooses.

3) In the event of questions, consult rule 2.

I'm sorry to disturb the little baby.I truly am.

I'm sorry to disturb the little baby.I truly am.


You've made your point, now leave CM alone.

You've made your point, now leave CM alone.

You've made your point of being CM's bitch, you can stop.

Btw, CM, that still doesnt make the internet america, so don't assume everyone is under the same system as you.

You've made your point of being CM's bitch, you can stop.

Btw, CM, that still doesnt make the internet america, so don't assume everyone is under the same system as you.


I forgot, some of us might be in Syria or China, where when the leader says, "You RP this way", you better do it, unless you want to be stoned to death or shot.


But I live in the USA, the best damned nation on the face of the Earth, and if you don't that, tough!

You know I play a game called Warhammer 40k and players often get into disagreements over the rules. You pull out the codex, the white dwarfs, the rule book, chapter approved, etc. If there are disagreements running too high, you pack up your stuff and move on to play somebody else. It's all about choice.

I'm not going to let people twist my arm into RPing with somebody I don't want to RP with. Just as I won't play warhammer with somebody I don't want to play with.


It's all about freedom, maybe in your banana republic they don't have freedom.

But this is the USA and as I said, we're the best damned nation on the face of the Earth.

GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Well put CM.

No one is forcing you to RP, jesus.

We are just calling you a baby and a pussy.

Btw, america best nation, lol.

OOC: Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. I'm not even gonna stick my neck into this beef, but as a fellow citizen of the US, I gotta say.. we're not the best country in the world. Not by a longshot.

OOC: You know what Malatose, don't RP with him, just ignore him.....If he wants to be stubborn and not RP with you...thats his problem.......

OOC: Jesus Christ on a pogo stick. I'm not even gonna stick my neck into this beef, but as a fellow citizen of the US, I gotta say.. we're not the best country in the world. Not by a longshot.


I'd say if we're not the greatest now, it's because the Masons and the Skull and Bones. We were great back in the 1800s and the early-mid 1900s, before all this NWO and move to globalization occurred. Then we started outsourcing jobs, they changed "Dpt of personnel" in companies to "Human resources" and started viewing people as commodities to be exploited and then tossed aside like a used condom.

What I want to know is where are the old fashioned morales, there are girls and women dressed like whores being admitted into schools and allowed to walk around in public. Our country has gone downhill morality wise. Is it any wonder about 60% of marriages end in divorce, we have a massive problem with gential herpes (40% of the USA has it). We need to get back to that old-time religion.

Well I say give me that old-time religion.

OOC: You know what Malatose, don't RP with him, just ignore him.....If he wants to be stubborn and not RP with you...thats his problem.......


Stubborn eh? In doing what I want?

How about you start telling women who were raped, "You were just being stubborn."

Women (and men for that matter) can choose their sexual partners. Just as I can choose my RP partners.

But I guess that's not how you see it.

Watertest, thats why I suggested malatose to just ignore CM and take his lands.

Watertest, thats why I suggested malatose to just ignore CM and take his lands.


He can ignore me all he wants. But he cannot take my lands. If he tries to take my lands you won't hear the end of it.

I ignore him, he ignores me.

It's a mutual ignore. He cannot take my land and I cannot take his lands. Because in the CM universe Malatose doesn't exist. Malatose is nothing to CM, he isn't even on the map.

Errmm..

I'd reply to that, but honestly I don't want to fuck up the myriad RPs we have going with OOC political wranglings. And honestly, this discussion has gotten into General Forum material.

Face it folks, this post's marked for horrible Mod-death. With that in mind, where doth one find the good smileys besides the 14 at the bottom? =/

CM and Malatose in the real world:

Malatose = Germany
CM = Soviet Union

Germany: *sends in 3 million men and 3,000 mixed tanks*
SU: I don't want to fight you... you broke a treaty with..you can't fight me..I ignore your army...
Germany: uhhh...

Malatose, he ignored you...annex part of him..he can't do anything about it... if he's a good RPer he wouldn't have ignored you. He uses real world examples when he doesn't even follow them.

Stubborn eh? In doing what I want?

How about you start telling women who were raped, "You were just being stubborn."

Women (and men for that matter) can choose their sexual partners. Just as I can choose my RP partners.

But I guess that's not how you see it.

Stubborn because you are refusing to RP with someone because you don't have the time, and they didn't consult you......I have never planned out a war with the enemy, good wars just happen......Besides, how the hell can you compare a raped women to Nationstates? But besides, you are actually not protected by some of the laws of the United States, because NS is private property......But anyway, you know what I mean......

using your context, if a woman is raped, she cannot simply ignore it at her choosing ;)

OK, OK, OK.. before this gets deleted, can I make a suggestion? Let me know your input.

Let CM, me, and Yefferj finish up the firebase RP in a few days. After that, a 'slot' so to speak will be free in CM's, uh, RPing schedule? Basically he'll be able to concentrate more on a full-scale invasion. Then, you two can OOCly go over everything by TG of Yahoo Messenger or whatever and work out some kind of arrangement.

I'm not sure why I'm trying to salvage a flamewar, but hey, it's worth a shot.

Oh by the way my entire navy is off my coastline. My AAA and SAM defenses are some of the most comprehensive in the world. I also have over 25,000 fighter aircraft stationed at home.

You're a godmodder and you can add that to the list of reasons why I'm ignore this. (Mostly I'm busy as hell with other RPs and I just don't have time for you, and this is a free game you RP with whom you want. And to be honest I really don't want to RP with somebody like you)

OOC:......You're a little bitch...Cheerio.

CM and Malatose in the real world:

Malatose = Germany
CM = Soviet Union

Germany: *sends in 3 million men and 3,000 mixed tanks*
SU: I don't want to fight you... you broke a treaty with..you can't fight me..I ignore your army...
Germany: uhhh...

Malatose, he ignored you...annex part of him..he can't do anything about it... if he's a good RPer he wouldn't have ignored you. He uses real world examples when he doesn't even follow them.


Now you question my RP abilities?

He cannot annex anything of me because I don't recognize that he even exists. I am a good RPer, but largely because of the planning I put into things and because I carefully choose whom I RP with. It's all about choice, and nobody is taking that away from me, not you, not Malatose, not the whole fricking communist army from whatever tinpot dictatorship nation you're from you freedom hating, anti-American scum.

I could RP circles around you, you insolent piece of trash.

Here I posted a list of "crimes" my nation has committed, some of my decent RPs can be found


Massacre of 4,000 Arabs in Egypt

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341002




Genocide and chemical weapons against our own people (rebels and guerillas though)

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=335848



Chemical Weapons used in Tennessee

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=340370



Interfering in elections of other nations

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=339797



Calling for a conference to divide up Africa

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341249




Killing Indians on reservations to take their oil

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=336291



But what I consider my claim to fame "Operation Purification"

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=335848

I challenge you to top this. My fellow RPers who RPed this with me and I have spent weeks on this, and we've done a damn fine job. It's all about planning.

Even though I do not agree 100% with CM's views, I would be damned if I let ANY nations military navals past my own nations defenses.(Yes, you do have to enter Communist Louisianaian waters to get to the coast of CM). I am not trying to support CM, but I will not allow any nations warships to enter waters so close to our capital city.

TO: CM
FROM: CL

If you do plan to go to war I will still not allow you to use the Mississippi River anywhere below New Roads. If you do break the treaty we will cut off all interstate and intrastate travel on the river.

OK, OK, OK.. before this gets deleted, can I make a suggestion? Let me know your input.

Let CM, me, and Yefferj finish up the firebase RP in a few days. After that, a 'slot' so to speak will be free in CM's, uh, RPing schedule? Basically he'll be able to concentrate more on a full-scale invasion. Then, you two can OOCly go over everything by TG of Yahoo Messenger or whatever and work out some kind of arrangement.

I'm not sure why I'm trying to salvage a flamewar, but hey, it's worth a shot.


Too late for that, they've pissed me off all to hell, insulting my nation, our way of life. I won't talk to this people OCC or IC ever again.

America, love it or leave it. If you're not in it and you don't love it, don't come.

We have no treaty. I could do what Malatose is doing for him.

OOC:......You're a little bitch...Cheerio.


You're just mad because we wailed on you in two wars, a bunch of rednecks under Jackson slaughtered your redcoats at New Orleans (although it was after peace was declared but before word got that far)

And we had to bail you out in WW1, WW2, we stopped you from exploiting your victories in the Suez War.

You'd be speaking German if it weren't for the USA.

I may point out that most of CM's great "wars" are against NPCs. For example, he took Egypt in about an hour... Pretty pathetic really.

You're just mad because we wailed on you in two wars, a bunch of rednecks under Jackson slaughtered your redcoats at New Orleans (although it was after peace was declared but before word got that far)

And we had to bail you out in WW1, WW2, we stopped you from exploiting your victories in the Suez War.

You'd be speaking German if it weren't for the USA.

Hey, lugnutz, I'm American.

<What an idiot.>

CM, why don't we attack this fool Malatose. We have several allies and I'm sure many more will hop on after he broke a peace treaty.

I may point out that most of CM's great "wars" are against NPCs. For example, he took Egypt in about an hour... Pretty pathetic really.


I am currently working on a large battle in Hogsweat that will end in my defeat. I can RP a good defeat. I just RP with whom I want when I want. It's all about choice. And I didn't choose any of these people, so they can take a long walk off a short pier.

Chill man, chill. Malatose aside, this is an international forum which is home to people with a wide variety of OOC political opinions that shouldn't get in the way of RP. Hell, if I didn't RP with everybody who disagreed with my own left-democratic socialist tendances it'd be me and maybe two other RPers sitting around playing with ourselves.

....

So to speak. Pay no attention to the unintentional innuendo.

CM, why don't we attack this fool Malatose. We have several allies and I'm sure many more will hop on after he broke a peace treaty.


It's the principle of the matter. CM RPs with whom CM wants. I'm sure you can appreciate that.

It's not about allies or any of that. I'm certain the amount of allies I could rally to my defense would seriously smash him (90-120 allies at the most, 30-40 at least) all over 500 million.

RP circles around me?

I want you to read my RPs (as Spain) in WWXIII (s8.invisionfree.com/WWXIII)...I'm one of the better RPers on NationStates (although I fall well behind Tajar Joblis)...

Malatose and Artitsa, also, are VERY good RPers.. I'll be damned if your navy advances two inches.

If you think you can push me around I dare you try.

Attention: I am now selling the entire state of Mississippi.

Any buyers?

Oh, and if CM or any of his allies try to intervene, I'll choose not to RP with them.


(Sound right? No, didn't think so.)

Chill man, chill. Malatose aside, this is an international forum which is home to people with a wide variety of OOC political opinions that shouldn't get in the way of RP. Hell, if I didn't RP with everybody who disagreed with my own left-democratic socialist tendances it'd be me and maybe two other RPers sitting around playing with ourselves.

....

So to speak. Pay no attention to the unintentional innuendo.


I try to leave politics out of the RP and I don't even go into the general forum. I am here to RP and nothing else. I am here to RP with whom I want when I want.

And right now I'd like very much for UWA and myself to continue the firebase RP. If UWA is willing to continue that is, because it is his choice to RP when and with whom he wants.

If you think you can push me around I dare you try.


Now you're challenging me to a duel?


What state do you live in? I'm pretty sure duelling has been outlawed in every state. Perhaps we could meet in international waters or maybe a country that is in perpetual anarchy.

You're just mad because we wailed on you in two wars, a bunch of rednecks under Jackson slaughtered your redcoats at New Orleans (although it was after peace was declared but before word got that far)

And we had to bail you out in WW1, WW2, we stopped you from exploiting your victories in the Suez War.

You'd be speaking German if it weren't for the USA.

Except for the fact that most historians agree that the entente would have won ww1 without america, that america betrayed france after ww1 which led to france being alone against germany in ww2, except for small british help, and america was in the wrong about the suez.

CM, he can take your lands, because you base your lands off of real life places. He can ignore you, view the nations as empty of CM presense, and occupy them.

Like I said, you left Yefferj in charge of the main guerilla army. I just have advisors and special forces, and at this juncture I can't do anything without him here or I'd be taking the opposition entirely into my own hands.

You want me to bring in NCA (145 nations 4/5ths over 1 bil) TGP (14 nations, all over 1.5 Bil) GDU (4 all over 2 Bil) and ESA (Several nations, mixed pops).

I laugh at your 500mil nations. 4 of you = me.

Attention: I am now selling the entire state of Mississippi.

Any buyers?

Oh, and if CM or any of his allies try to intervene, I'll choose not to RP with them.


(Sound right? No, didn't think so.)



I am now selling all of your intelligene, sanity, and your literacy. Oh wait, you never had any. Obviously you couldn't read when I said I am ignoring all of these anti-USA hate mongers.

Except for the fact that most historians agree that the entente would have won ww1 without america, that america betrayed france after ww1 which led to france being alone against germany in ww2, except for small british help, and america was in the wrong about the suez.

CM, he can take your lands, because you base your lands off of real life places. He can ignore you, view the nations as empty of CM presense, and occupy them.

He can do nothing because I don't recognize it


Also Germany had crushed Russia, and was shifting all of their soldiers west for the final offensive against France. Kaiserschlact 1918 would have been a success had it not been for the rapid infusion of american manpower to stop the germans. Most historians agree with that.


And you can put your money where your mouth is and we can duel.

I challenge you to a duel. (Isn't there some sort of duelling arcade on this forum?)

And what if Russia had fallen right away like WW1? What if USA continued its isolationism and Germany took all of Europe, and continued to fester and grow. I despise Americans and their superiority complex.

I am now selling all of your intelligene, sanity, and your literacy. Oh wait, you never had any. Obviously you couldn't read when I said I am ignoring all of these anti-USA hate mongers.

...I live in America, dumbass redneck. -sigh-

Ohh, no. I only duel with people who take bathroom breaks on their parents beds, or in the case that they dont have parents, their graves. Duel by my rules or dont duel at all.

Btw, most historians agree that the superior economic and manufacturing condition, control of the seas, and especially the armoured superiority would allow them to triumph over the central powers. It would have taken longer, and the second battle of the somme would have driven further, but seeing as the french would be on the defensive, they would be stronger against the weakened germans, even if more men were coming, because the east front germans were much less trained in trench warfare, as it was much less common on the eastern front.

The US entering the European war in WWII was pretty much Germany's fault.. they didn't attack us, but in response to Pearl Harbor they DID declare war on us first. Even though by the grounds of their own treaty with Japan, they didn't have to unless JAPAN was offensively attacked. But I digress.

...I live in America, dumbass redneck. -sigh-


That is racially offensive and I will not stand for that. That "Redne--" remark has crossed the line with me.

Redneck- Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States

Ah, my mistake. Let me substitute:

Bush-Supporter

OH BURN!

So CM are you ignoring me?

Ah, my mistake. Let me substitute:

Bush-Supporter

I've made it quite clear that I hate Bush. He is a mason and a skull and bones.

OH BURN!

So CM are you ignoring me?


I'm ignoring a lot of people at the moment. Anybody who tried to bait me into a flame war in this thread is certainly on my ignore list, at least for a while.

He's not a bush-supporter, supposedly. Just a delusional(religious) conservative.

As a historian I have to say the following. BTW, I make my living freelancing, and I'm researching for an upcoming book on the Battle for Stalingrad, and preparing for research (in about two years) for a book on the German Invasion of Poland - just to certify my historical backgrounds (I'm also making a website with World War II documentation: war diaries, directives, orders, interviews,etc.. *cough* I still need more people to help if you're interested... I'm doing Third Reich, Zossen is doing Japan and my friend Will is doing the United States :: Finland, Soviet Union, Hungary, Romania, Greece, etc, are still open if you're interested.. you have about one month to come up with resources, that's when the site goes up..just as an advertisement..lol)...

[In Any Case]

The United States and Great Britain launched Operation Overlord, not because they thought the Germans were going to win the war, but because they knew that if they didn't secure France first the Soviet Union was going to steamroll Europe. By the conclusion of Operation Zitadelle, July 6-12 1943, Germany had a secured death penalty at the hands of Stalin.

Macabee's, Im interested in doing some work on france. Fall gelb is probably my favorite point of the war, and I have done lots of research, and debating(Im not talking about history channel, etc, lol)

OOC: I'd hate to say it guys, but CM is right. He can choose to ignore any RP regardless of it's letigimacy. Every player has this right in a freeform RP environment, and CM is not in the wrong for picking and choosing his RP's. He also stated that he only wishes to RP wars if consulted before hand, and I for one am going to respect his wishes.

Is it something we may frown upon? Yes. Does he have the right regardless? Yes.

I agree with the Macabees assessment.. I doubt Germany would have been able to hold out against the Soviets much longer, and that was probably on the mind of the allies at the time.

But without Overlord, would the USSR be able to steamroll much of anything? Sure, they were pushing back Nazi forces but without D-Day and a massive invasion from the west, would Stalin have been able to achieve the type of total-war victory in Berlin? I suspect if not for Overlord the war between Germany and the USSR would have ended in Russia's victory, though perhaps not by total conquest.

OOC: I'd hate to say it guys, but CM is right. He can choose to ignore any RP regardless of it's letigimacy. Every player has this right in a freeform RP environment, and CM is not in the wrong for picking and choosing his RP's. He also stated that he only wishes to RP wars if consulted before hand, and I for one am going to respect his wishes.
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well said

Well if AMF says it I believe it, he's the best RPer on this forum in my opinion.

Yes

OOC: I'd hate to say it guys, but CM is right. He can choose to ignore any RP regardless of it's letigimacy. Every player has this right in a freeform RP environment, and CM is not in the wrong for picking and choosing his RP's. He also stated that he only wishes to RP wars if consulted before hand, and I for one am going to respect his wishes.

Is it something we may frown upon? *Yes.* Does he have the right regardless? Yes.

So we do not have to be censored, either.

Macabee's, Im interested in doing some work on france. Fall gelb is probably my favorite point of the war, and I have done lots of research, and debating(Im not talking about history channel, etc, lol)

Chellis: Alright, sounds good... if you have any questions e-mail me at jon_catalan@yahoo.com // I'll be gone from July 28 to August 25; and I'm planning to put up a temporary sight on a free site, until I get the funds to put it on my own server. Your help would be appreciated..and you weld get the perk of having your name added onto the "authors list" which is always awsome lol.


UWA: The Soviet Union would have been able to steamroll Europe in a matter of a year or so. Stalin had no regard for casualties, and would have wasted another five million lives to destroy the remnants of the Third Reich. In Berlin the Soviets lost 100,000 men; Stalin would be able to withstand a million. It was a matter of months.


Parthia: AMF is good...no offense AMF, Tahar Joblis and Agrigento are better.

Parthia: AMF is good...no offense AMF, Tahar Joblis and Agrigento are better.

You just haven't seen me unleash my full potential yet. ;)

Here's what I'm capable of when I don't have certain people (glares at a certian person that is invading him) pissing me off.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=338056

AMF you better not carpet ignore Allanea and his allies... including me! ...sir.

Bella Italia! Even though america created a puppet government in 1947 Italia, we still have free healthcare!

...so does Canada. This is II, not general.

AMF you better not carpet ignore Allanea and his allies... including me! ...sir.

OOC: If he tries to squirm out of taking the massive damage that I inflicted on him, then I will ignore him. But that's where it stops; with him.

I know i'm late n all replying
but i can't remember the U.S "baling us out" in ww1
but yes in ww2

You're just mad because we wailed on you in two wars, a bunch of rednecks under Jackson slaughtered your redcoats at New Orleans (although it was after peace was declared but before word got that far)

And we had to bail you out in WW1, WW2, we stopped you from exploiting your victories in the Suez War.

You'd be speaking German if it weren't for the USA.

And german is a good language

CM, my advice is lets fight this guy, I will join you in the fight here.

CM, my advice is lets fight this guy, I will join you in the fight here.


I really am busy with other RPs right now. I really don't want to get into another RP, I wouldn't be able to devote to it the proper time it deserved. I don't like to do something unless I can do it well. I'll keep him on my enemies list. Maybe someday when I've got a clear schedule and if he wants to, we can plan a war. But everything must be planned at least to some degree. Planning = more fun.

OOC:

you get into and it's going to turn into a big ass ignore fest - Bisons has that problem, that's why he's on my ignore list, as well as dozens of others.

Of course ! :lol:
I dont RP, I annex
Did he really say that?


Communist Mississipi:
1.) The American's did not bail the British out in WWI. The Allies would have still won - France and Britain had a better and more veteranised military than the United States, and they had colonies to boot.
2.) The American's did not save the British in WWII. They bailed them out, yes, but they did not save them. It was the Russians that saved the war. Also, people fail to recognize British achievements in Asia. Keeping India and Australia alive from the Japanese?

Oh, and you would be speaking proper english, (Actually I mean spelling, but whatever) if it wasn't for the French.

Of course ! :lol:
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Oh, and you would be speaking proper english, (Actually I mean spelling, but whatever) if it wasn't for the French.


Nobody wants to acknowledge being saved by the French. They don't have a very good record when it comes to winning wars. Napoleon won a great deal at first, but 1) He eventually lost it all. 2) He was Corsican not French. Also the hundred years war is far too long ago for the French to keep bringing it up as an example of their great victories.


But the French have given us numerous gallant last stands. Dien Bien Phu. Na San (Both in Vietnam). Camerone in Mexico. and a few other great battles.


Don't forget they won at Kolwezi in Zaire.

A.AMF, we know. We are just frowning upon him seriously. Some people play realistically, where they cant control the future.

B. Russia did not need the D-Day help, less than 10% of german forces were on the western front. That much wouldnt have changed the tide of the war. Some can argue that the air war helped the germans, or that lend-lease helped save the russians at stalingrad, or at least made a large difference in the desperate times. However, Its pretty much seen that by june 1944, russia was already greatly beating the germans.

A.AMF, we know. We are just frowning upon him seriously. Some people play realistically, where they cant control the future.

B. Russia did not need the D-Day help, less than 10% of german forces were on the western front. That much wouldnt have changed the tide of the war. Some can argue that the air war helped the germans, or that lend-lease helped save the russians at stalingrad, or at least made a large difference in the desperate times. However, Its pretty much seen that by june 1944, russia was already greatly beating the germans.


80-90% of German losses were incurred on the Eastern Front.

As i mentioned earlier on another RP i would send troops to break up the fighting But as the situtation is growing out of hand for a new, small nation i will be removing all troops situated in the area.
If any more countries are invaded i will consider forcing the invaders out and setting a neutral border, with the same rules of engagement applying.

President Vskayskij

Nobody wants to acknowledge being saved by the French. They don't have a very good record when it comes to winning wars. Napoleon won a great deal at first, but 1) He eventually lost it all. 2) He was Corsican not French. Also the hundred years war is far too long ago for the French to keep bringing it up as an example of their great victories.


But the French have given us numerous gallant last stands. Dien Bien Phu. Na San (Both in Vietnam). Camerone in Mexico. and a few other great battles.


Don't forget they won at Kolwezi in Zaire.
The french also started the resistance which complemented most of the western front campains, Including "operation overlord"


and everyone forgets the Norweigens and the Heroes of Telemark who lived on the Hardanger Plateau for months on end to sabotage the Heavy Water in Norway made by the Nazis then to escape regiments of the SS searching for them.

The resistance are always forgotten from any country

Nobody wants to acknowledge being saved by the French. They don't have a very good record when it comes to winning wars. Napoleon won a great deal at first, but 1) He eventually lost it all. 2) He was Corsican not French. Also the hundred years war is far too long ago for the French to keep bringing it up as an example of their great victories.


But the French have given us numerous gallant last stands. Dien Bien Phu. Na San (Both in Vietnam). Camerone in Mexico. and a few other great battles.


Don't forget they won at Kolwezi in Zaire.

The french won the hundred years war, didnt lose the 30 years war. Lost the seven years war, yeah, that sucked. Lost the napoleonic war, but that lead to gaining vietnam, and other long lasting benefits, including a change in relations with britain. Greatly helped america in the revolutionary war(Provided 90% of american gunpowder the first two and a half years of the revolution). It lost the franco-prussian war, that just sucked. It won ww1. It won ww2(Lost fall gelb, not the war. 1945, who's occupied, who's independant?). It lost Indochina, not surprising. Won algeria. Won the second gulf war(though not a big claim, lol).

All the french bashing is pretty much un-based. The french had a large line of bad luck that led them to losing. Seeing as they lost more troops in one month of fighting than america did in the whole war, shows they werent cowards at all.

No one is forcing you to RP, jesus.

We are just calling you a baby and a pussy.

Btw, america best nation, lol.
That's damned right. America is the greatest country is on earth.
And the rest of the world is piss poor.
And as for the brits, australians and canadians, the whole world knows they are our lap dogs. They do whatever we Americans tell them to do. Basically, they are nothing than little provinces of America.

That's damned right. America is the greatest country is on earth.
And the rest of the world is piss poor.
And as for the brits, australians and canadians, the whole world knows they are our lap dogs. They do whatever we Americans tell them to do. Basically, they are nothing than little provinces of America.

Nationalism is a great thing.

OOC: I'd hate to say it guys, but CM is right. He can choose to ignore any RP regardless of it's letigimacy. Every player has this right in a freeform RP environment, and CM is not in the wrong for picking and choosing his RP's. He also stated that he only wishes to RP wars if consulted before hand, and I for one am going to respect his wishes.

Is it something we may frown upon? Yes. Does he have the right regardless? Yes.
I agree.

The french won the hundred years war, didnt lose the 30 years war. Lost the seven years war, yeah, that sucked. Lost the napoleonic war, but that lead to gaining vietnam, and other long lasting benefits, including a change in relations with britain. Greatly helped america in the revolutionary war(Provided 90% of american gunpowder the first two and a half years of the revolution). It lost the franco-prussian war, that just sucked. It won ww1. It won ww2(Lost fall gelb, not the war. 1945, who's occupied, who's independant?). It lost Indochina, not surprising. Won algeria. Won the second gulf war(though not a big claim, lol).

All the french bashing is pretty much un-based. The french had a large line of bad luck that led them to losing. Seeing as they lost more troops in one month of fighting than america did in the whole war, shows they werent cowards at all.

I know France won 100 years war. They also basically achieved their goals in the 30 years war (But it was basically an awful war that nobody really won, just awful). Richelieu accomplished his goals of helping the german protestants attacking german catholics to plunge the german states into basically anarchy and ruin so they couldn't threaten France. Although Richelieu was a Catholic, he put national interests above religion, foolish man.


Also France didn't help in Gulf War 2. They did in Gulf War 1 though.

Nationalism is a great thing.
yep :)
God Bless America, God's chosen nation on earth and to hell with everyone else.

Napoleon was actually born on Italian land. But before he was born, it was sold to the french. So there you have it. Another blow to Italia.

does anyone dare to question my knowledge of the Heroes of Telemark

I know France won 100 years war. They also basically achieved their goals in the 30 years war (But it was basically an awful war that nobody really won, just awful). Richelieu accomplished his goals of helping the german protestants attacking german catholics to plunge the german states into basically anarchy and ruin so they couldn't threaten France. Although Richelieu was a Catholic, he put national interests above religion, foolish man.


Also France didn't help in Gulf War 2. They did in Gulf War 1 though.

Richelieu was a genius, he did wonders for france, even when it was under the grip of absolutism, and by extension christianity.

Also, France did help in gulf war two. You are thinking gulf war three, the recent one. Gulf war one was the Iraq-Iranian conflict.

Whittier, you just proved my point. America, religion. Bad things go together I suppose.

CM, I agree with the 30 years war. No one really won, although at least the french didnt have mass starvation like the germans.

Richelieu was a genius, he did wonders for france, even when it was under the grip of absolutism, and by extension christianity.

Also, France did help in gulf war two. You are thinking gulf war three, the recent one. Gulf war one was the Iraq-Iranian conflict.

Whittier, you just proved my point. America, religion. Bad things go together I suppose.

CM, I agree with the 30 years war. No one really won, although at least the french didnt have mass starvation like the germans.

Richelieu sold out fellow Catholics. I agree he basically set the stage for Louis XIV to later become the absolute ruler he was. But at what price? 25-50% of germans dead from the starvation and disease the war brought.



I prerfer to call Iran-Iraq war "Iran-Iraq war" and of course France helped Iraq, why not sell weapons and make money :) Too bad france sold over 40 billion in weapons ON CREDIT to Iraq. And that is the main reason they opposed the war in Iraq. Saddam had yet to repay it all. (In fact he had yet to repay most of it)

Richelieu was a genius, he did wonders for france, even when it was under the grip of absolutism, and by extension christianity.

Also, France did help in gulf war two. You are thinking gulf war three, the recent one. Gulf war one was the Iraq-Iranian conflict.

Whittier, you just proved my point. America, religion. Bad things go together I suppose.

CM, I agree with the 30 years war. No one really won, although at least the french didnt have mass starvation like the germans.
Don't mess with us christian fundamentalist fanatics.

And as for the brits, australians and canadians, the whole world knows they are our lap dogs. They do whatever we Americans tell them to do. Basically, they are nothing than little provinces of America.

Thats not fair on the commonwealth

Without the Pilgrims from portsmouth in ENGLAND, America would be a land of Native Americans who are better than americans anyway so i don't see why you have to dis the UNITED KINGDOM.

And you had to seek help in the American revolution from FRANCE which is a good country but your worst enermy

Thats not fair on the commonwealth

Without the Pilgrims from portsmouth in ENGLAND, America would be a land of Native Americans who are better than americans anyway so i don't see why you have to dis the UNITED KINGDOM.

And you had to seek help in the American revolution from FRANCE which is a good country but your worst enermy


So, America 0wnz j00!!!!

Thats not fair on the commonwealth

Without the Pilgrims from portsmouth in ENGLAND, America would be a land of Native Americans who are better than americans anyway so i don't see why you have to dis the UNITED KINGDOM.

And you had to seek help in the American revolution from FRANCE which is a good country but your worst enermy
the only thing france has, is women that are good for sex.

the australians aren't your pets

Richelieu sold out fellow Catholics. I agree he basically set the stage for Louis XIV to later become the absolute ruler he was. But at what price? 25-50% of germans dead from the starvation and disease the war brought.



I prerfer to call Iran-Iraq war "Iran-Iraq war" and of course France helped Iraq, why not sell weapons and make money :) Too bad france sold over 40 billion in weapons ON CREDIT to Iraq. And that is the main reason they opposed the war in Iraq. Saddam had yet to repay it all. (In fact he had yet to repay most of it)


Germans died, not french. I still think Richelieu was a genius.

Also, yes, France sold weapons to Iraq. Its called the arms trade. America does it, France does it, Russia does it. Its perfectly legal and economically smart. Also, France did reap most of the money from the weapons sales, as the sales dated back for decades. France had a good, normally paying customer, and giving the weapons on credit was a buisness decision.

France joined up for many reasons, some being money, some being the fact that iraq violated the geneva convention. But most nations who contributed to the war had other reasons than the fact that iraq violated another nations sovereignty.

Whittier, I pity you. I really do. And now not just because of your in character actions.

So, America 0wnz j00!!!!
yes i know "sigh"

Look, If you live in America and don't think it's the best nation on earth then leave it.

I love America more then any other country I've been to.

the australians aren't your pets
oh yeah? what are they going to do about it?

does anyone think any countries will be allowed into the Olympics this year
Everyone seems to be at war

oh yeah? what are they going to do about it?
true

I Live in america. I dont think its the best nation in the world. But its not as easy as you make it seem to leave. Once you establish a life, giving it up for a better one, but starting from scratch, can be worse.

well, name one better nation?

i think that the UK is a better country than America! of course this could just be because i live in the UK but i dunno!

This isn't General. If you want to discuss politics, go there. If you want to RP, try again.

If you want to flame, go to another board.