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---News Flash

This is Don Everret coming to you from our HNN Central here in Hamptonshire City. We have just been given word that Prime Minister Cessar is going to address the Grand Duchy on the current situation in Cameroon and Western Africa. We are receiving word that he is beginning right now, so we'll cut over to him.

"Good afternoon My Fellow Hamptonians, too often I have come to you in times of distress and conflict; today I come to you at a time of great joy and potential historical greatness.

As you all know, several years ago the Grand Duchy successfully defended the West African nation of Cameroon for foreign invasion and annexation. We created an international peacekeeping force as well as instituted a campaign to modernize Cameroon. The Grand Duke announced our first aid plan to Cameroon and to the region, the Western Africa Reconstruction Plan. That 10-year $1 Trillion Campaign provided no cost grants and no interest loans for the construction of schools, hospitals, vaccinations, roads, powerplants, housing, and every other basic form of modern life that we in Hamptonshire take for granted.

Some in the Royal Senate, most notibly Senator Bernard Allenby and his Nationalist Union Party, have taken the position that we should not give further aide to Cameroon and what we should withdraw our 500,000 peacekeepers there. Senator Allenby, as President of the Royal Congress, has caused deadlock and endless debate on these issues. He has constitently refused to bring any new measures up to a vote.

That is why I am addressing you now. Grand Duke Reginald Leopold I, using his Reserve Powers, has bybassed Congressional Oversight in this matter. A new 20-year $2.5 Trilllion African Reconstruction Campaign has been created. The funds will be made available to all the native people of Africa and all African nations that are not currently under the forced occupation of foreign powers.

No preferences and no favors will be used in the implimentation of this Campaign. This money is for the African people; we do not ask for friendship, we do not ask for a change of government, we ask only that Africa be delivered from the grasp of complete domination.

Thank you."
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Prime Minister Louis Cessar

Chellis wonders when hamptonshire will pull out, expressing its previous desire to leave the country to the natives and create an independant democracy.

Paul Stahlecker, foreign minister of CM, yawned and sighed, "Oh well, more money being wasted on people who will never be better because they cannot be raised up, they are low grade scum and they can never become something other than what they are. One could fill libraries with stories about African savagery. The way the US soldiers in Somalia were treated. The way the whites in the Belgian Congo were treated. The way the whites in Angola, Rhodesia, South Africa, Mozambique, and Namibia were treated. Bah, I scoff at Africa, let them all go hang, they don't even exist to CM."

Parthia believes that Africa is hopeless and should be re-colonized.

Chellis wonders when hamptonshire will pull out, expressing its previous desire to leave the country to the natives and create an independant democracy.

The people of Cameroon are already in the early stages of forming a permanent national government. The Allied Peacekeeping Force of Cameroon will dissolve once the Cameroonese no longer wish it to exist and once Chellis withdraws further troops from the Cameroon/Niger-Chad Boarder.

The UWA would suggest to Hamptonshire that it might be a good idea to reduce its troop prescence to a sufficent but smaller amount. For one, it would be a serious show of good faith to the local population, and for another our military analysts feel that in a country the size of Cameroon 500,000 troops is extraneous and may make the locals feel imposed upon and occupied. If necessary, we will contribute peacekeepers if Hamptonshire agrees to significantly reduce its own forces. Our troops need field experiance, and this seems like a fairly good opportunity.

The UWA would suggest to Hamptonshire that it might be a good idea to reduce its troop prescence to a sufficent but smaller amount. For one, it would be a serious show of good faith to the local population, and for another our military analysts feel that in a country the size of Cameroon 500,000 troops is extraneous and may make the locals feel imposed upon and occupied. If necessary, we will contribute peacekeepers if Hamptonshire agrees to significantly reduce its own forces. Our troops need field experiance, and this seems like a fairly good opportunity.

The total troops there are not from Hamptonshire alone, they are from all the nations of the APFC. The sole reason for such a large number are the Chellian Forces on the board of Cameroon. Until Cameroon has enough resources to adequately defend itself, it would be foolhearty to leave only a token presence in Cameroon.

It should also be noted, that Cameroonese officers are given direct field command over APFC units and any and all APFC operations need the approval of the Provisional Government of Cameroon.

The people of Cameroon are already in the early stages of forming a permanent national government. The Allied Peacekeeping Force of Cameroon will dissolve once the Cameroonese no longer wish it to exist and once Chellis withdraws further troops from the Cameroon/Niger-Chad Boarder.

Chellis has no plans to lower troop numbers on the borders. We maintain strict, permanent, closed borders, and must enforce this. We dont have long range artillery or long range SSM on the borders, nor large numbers of tanks, etc. Our forces on the border are to make sure nobody gets across any of our borders without being killed.

Thinking that chellis is going to invade is fool-hardy. It would not be worth the political outcry to engage in such blatant imperialism.

Chellian peace-keepers are also still in cameroon, although I believe only half a division, or about 8000 soldiers. They havn't experienced much action, and will pull out when a large pull out by hamptonshire is seen.

We understand this, and honestly we are not personally suspicious of your motives since our intelligence indicates that what your government says is so. We just think perhaps replacing a few Hamptonshire troops with African forces may appease local sentiments, take an economic burden off Hamptonshire, and promote African-Western cooperation on the continent. Any troops Hamptonshire withdraws under 20,000 we will agree to make up the difference.

Chellis has no plans to lower troop numbers on the borders. We maintain strict, permanent, closed borders, and must enforce this. We dont have long range artillery or long range SSM on the borders, nor large numbers of tanks, etc. Our forces on the border are to make sure nobody gets across any of our borders without being killed.

Thinking that chellis is going to invade is fool-hardy. It would not be worth the political outcry to engage in such blatant imperialism.

Chellian peace-keepers are also still in cameroon, although I believe only half a division, or about 8000 soldiers. They havn't experienced much action, and will pull out when a large pull out by hamptonshire is seen.

And your contribution to the APFC was included in the 500,000 figure. At this time there are about 200,000 Hamptonian in the APFC. Most of them are Royal Police Officers (they act as a national police force domestically and as UN-Blue Helmet type troops internationally) and Royal Army Light Infantry Divisions. The main mission of the APFC is to establish and maintain law and order within Cameroon itself. With rampant corruption, civil war, and tribal conflict, a large force is necessary to bring the Rule of Law to Cameroon.


OOC:
This is part of a long-reaching RP-arch. This, while it does genuinely have to do with Africa, has more to do with internal politics within Hamptonshire.

Chellis also offers to send peacekeepers into cameroon, we have a very well trained foreign division with mostly algerians and Malawizians(sp?). They arent from cameroon, but the african common heritage would help ease tensions quite possibly.

And your contribution to the APFC was included in the 500,000 figure. At this time there are about 200,000 Hamptonian in the APFC. Most of them are Royal Police Officers (they act as a national police force domestically and as UN-Blue Helmet type troops internationally) and Royal Army Light Infantry Divisions. The main mission of the APFC is to establish and maintain law and order within Cameroon itself. With rampant corruption, civil war, and tribal conflict, a large force is necessary to bring the Rule of Law to Cameroon.


OOC:
This is part of a long-reaching RP-arch. This, while it does genuinely have to do with Africa, has more to do with internal politics within Hamptonshire.

IC:Perhaps hamptonshire should have let chellis move into cameroon in the first place. Chellian west africa has already been very pacified, since the gradual decline of religion and strict police law.

OOC:I see your point, heh.

OOC: Understood.

IC: So our offer of peacekeepers is accepted? We will mostly deply where your own forces are stretched thin.

Oh.. the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has recieved word that Chellis is offering peacekeepers to. Our personal opinion is that this offer is of dubious intent at best.

Chellis, unfortunately due you the Cameroon Independence Treaty you signed, You may contribute money, but not material, to the Government of Cameroon for whatever defensive applications it sees fit and you may, at your discretion, contribute up to 10,000 Lightly armed Peacekeepers to be a part of the APFC. Also, there are limits on what vehicles and weapons that can be brought into Cameroon.

With the offer of troops for West Africa, the Royal Senate has voted a Forced Military Order. This order has withdrawn 17,500 Royal Army Light Infantry troops.

CM will send peace keepers to any nation in need. We wish to help Africans advance into the modern era.

Actually, according to the treaty, it was ammended that chellis can contribue material, the cameroonians have to ask for it however. And so far, we have given a number of very cheap arms, as well as practically free afv's, so that the upkeep costs wouldnt damage them.

Chellis was offering to send another division, as well, not just sending it. If both sides of a treaty decide to amend it, its fine. If you don't want it, you could have just said no, instead of being rude about it.

Actually, according to the treaty, it was ammended that chellis can contribue material, the cameroonians have to ask for it however. And so far, we have given a number of very cheap arms, as well as practically free afv's, so that the upkeep costs wouldnt damage them.

Chellis was offering to send another division, as well, not just sending it. If both sides of a treaty decide to amend it, its fine. If you don't want it, you could have just said no, instead of being rude about it.


We were not rude about it, we were merely highlighting the agreement that we both signed.

CM your offer of peacekeepers directly contradicts the view of your foriegn minister as well as the policy of your government. Your presence in Cameroon would not be beneficial to anyone.

We were not rude about it, we were merely highlighting the agreement that we both signed.

CM your offer of peacekeepers directly contradicts the view of your foriegn minister as well as the policy of your government. Your presence in Cameroon would not be beneficial to anyone.


Oh well Paul Stahlecker was just a little drunk, if you look at his history, you'll see the remarks he made were not in keeping with his usual self.

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The AZK Empire fully supports the revival campaign, and thinks Hamptonshire has done the correct thing.

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I pledge 500 billion dollars to the first African nation that helps me to secure a permanent source of a steady supply of fresh water.

I also pledge 100 billion dollars to help settle 20 million more whites in Mississippian Egypt. (There are currently only 10 million whites in ME)

I also pledge 50 billion dollars to help any white in South Africa who wants to leave and move to any of CM's possessions to do so.


Paul Stahlecker, "See, we care about Africa. We care about the world."

Occ- We need whites moving to our colonies and lots of whites.


Occ- I've noticed Ivory Coast has a great deal many rivers and lakes. I wonder what the weather is like there and how suitable the land would be for commercial farming. Hmmm... I'll go check the CIA factbook. :)

Occ- Somebody sell me the water, or I can secure it through other means.

Occ- Occ comments cannot be held against me IC.

OOC: The Ivory Coast is one of the world's biggest cocoa producers. But basically there's a civil war there and a cease fire is in place with French troops sitting on the line to make sure neither side crosses it. So yes, it's good farming. But the government does not have full control of the country and the rebels are a hardened, semi-professional force. No hopped up RUF bandits here.

OOC: The Ivory Coast is one of the world's biggest cocoa producers. But basically there's a civil war there and a cease fire is in place with French troops sitting on the line to make sure neither side crosses it. So yes, it's good farming. But the government does not have full control of the country and the rebels are a hardened, semi-professional force. No hopped up RUF bandits here.


Occ- Well if nobody has a serious claim to it. I'll go for it. I'd be going to RL Ivory Coast. The Parachute Divisions in my nation most soldiers have 5-15 years experience. The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th parachute divisions were the units the led the charge in my nation's civil war. They were joined by 4 other divisions and together they managed to crush 38 divisions of blacks and liberal whites that sided with the government. (The 38 divisions never did anything except push around unarmed people and man roadblocks. The 4 parachute divisions were in more battles than most people could keep track of)

There are basically a few thousand French Foreign Legion there in RL and they are able to hold onto about 1/2 the country while the government forces were unable to do basically anything.

A semi-professional by 3rd world standards is basically a raw recruit with just a rifle and 1 week of basic training by 1st world standards. I know I am not giving them the credit they are due. I mean in Somalia the militias were good street fighters, but it took them over 1,000 losses to kill a few dozen US soldiers. I mean most nations would be willing to accept losses like that, but the American people seem to have lost their ability to stomach losses.

Somalians had been in many years of civil war and were supposedly battle hardened, but they fell before the might of a 1st world army. Remember that "The West" has had schools of warfare for centuries. Armored Theory, Combined Arms, Blitzkrieg, etc. There are basically no real tactics given to us by the 3rd world. Again I know there might be a few (probably Zulu if any) but if you want an army that will win, pick a western army, UK, Germany, Spain, France, USA, etc.

In WW2 the USA lost over 500,000 soldiers. I don't think we'd ever be willing to do that again, even if directly invaded. The left would sabotage the war like they did in Vietnam and force us to bow to the invaders and give them a few states to secure peace.


The Iraqi army and the Republican Guard had been in an almost decade long war against Iran, at the time of Gulf War 1, the Iraqi army was the most experienced in the world. The reasons why they lost are far too numerous to go into in a single post. Stating "They were all just cowards who couldn't fight" would do a great injustice to the RG units that fought to the death, even when their tanks were knocked out, any crew that survived jumped out, found an RPG and charged forward trying to knock out American tanks.


Anybody serious about learning about Arab warfare should read "Arabs at War".