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In an effort to restore Christendom to its former glory, the Pope asks all Catholic countries to pledge their support of Catholicism. How? By joining the Catholic Alliance! The Constitution, open to changes and modifications, will be based around the following ideals:

1. Catholics should support other Catholic and Christian causes, whether that is social causes, such as the Pro-life movement, or Military causes, such as oppressed Christians in Sudan by Muslim/Arabic Militias.

2. Atheism, Communism, and Socialism are to be stopped at all costs. No liberal welfare states will be admitted, unless permission is granted. (Yes, I know my country is a hole, but I am working on it.)

3. Militant Islamic Terror is to be combated. Islam is silently infilitrating our culture. Over 50% of German citizens are Muslim and recently France gained more Mosques than churches. This trend is to be stopped.

4. No cause is to small or insignificant. Neither is any country. All countries that are (mostly) inconcordance with the Vatican will be admitted.

Please comment on this. Any changes will be duly noted.

-Holy See ofCatholicism Office for Spread of Christian Ideals

Dyelli Beybi is a majority Catholic Nation, however we see the opposition of the welfare state as highly un-Catholic. We oppose this Alliance as a fraudulant attempt to form a right Wing Alliance under a ruse of Catholicism.

Its to bad that your against Communism. My nation is commuinist but also happens to be some 87% Roman Catholic.

Nazguul views organized religion as passe. There are other and more important things to be concerned about at this time. Also, using organized religion to suck other nations into a right wing alliance is lame. We are a right winged nation and it bothers us when people try to give us a bad name.

We exist for the Fatherland. Anyone who opposes us will be dealt with severely.

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Reichsfuhrer Lothar Rendulic
-=Head Of The Waffen SS=-

Personal Message from the President:

Hell, I'm a Roman Catholic too. If you want help go look at Heimlichsburg in my region, he might be intrested too. Poor man...
-Sergei Ilyanov

Pope Pius XI said in his Quad. Anno (1931) "No one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true Socialist." We must remember that Marx's pure Communist socity was avowedly atheist, because his belief was that religion was merely something to keep the masses happy. Although the Vatican has no problems with charity, indeed that is what the Benedictines, Fransiscans, and the other orders do, it is to be kept private, not governmental.

First of all, you have no right to speak on behalf all catholics. A majority of socialist/communist nations on NS do support religions and what not. It is a civil right that is allowed to the people. The fact that you you say that there can be no communist catholic is a lie, because I am one.

Premir Jindal

First of all, you have no right to speak on behalf all catholics. A majority of socialist/communist nations on NS do support religions and what not. It is a civil right that is allowed to the people. The fact that you you say that there can be no communist catholic is a lie, because I am one.

Premir Jindal

Then you are either a bad communist, a bad catholic, or both.

Excuse me, I go to Church everyday, I pray the Rosarie, I go to Confession, I detest gay marriage. But I seperate Church from state, which is why my rule is wonderful.
-Sergei Ilyanov

Really, isn't most religions and communism/socialism the same, they all have the concept of "everyone is equal (in the eyes of God)", Adrogantia will have nothing to do with your overly zealous acts.

Separation of Church and State is fine, as long as the state does not become a separate religion that denies God.

To read Pope Pius XI encyclical on Communism go here:

http://www.catholic.org/phpframedirect/out.php?url=http://library.catholic.org/plweb-cgi/fastweb?TemplateName=views.tmpl

and search for DIVINI REDEMPTORIS. It should be Number 3 on the list.

Adrogantia will not and can not allow you to perform an attack on the free world to bring it under a corrupt dictatorship under the ruse of it being a "Crusade to restore christendom"

Archbishop Aosar of the Machine cult, leader of Finnish Technocracy sends reply;

What shall be your modus operandi in dealing with the countries that remain outside your alliance? Shall you take a agressive stance?

Adrogantia will not and can not allow you to perform an attack on the free world to bring it under a corrupt dictatorship under the ruse of it being a "Crusade to restore christendom"

The Pope has no illusions. He merely wishes to Unite Christendom as it once was. If any of you have read THE CRUSADES by Belloc, you will see that the world was not one big Dictatorship, but many kingdoms,empires, and duchys under the SPIRITUAL leadership of the Pope. This proposed Alliance will merely help to increase awareness and aid other christians in peril. And if you mean to imply that I am corrupt judging by the state of my nation, I am working on sweeping changes in my nation.

Archbishop Aosar of the Machine cult, leader of Finnish Technocracy sends reply;

What shall be your modus operandi in dealing with the countries that remain outside your alliance? Shall you take a agressive stance?

No, we will be militant only in cases where oppressed Christians cannot be helped through diplomacy.

Either way, Adrogantia will give aid to any non terrorist nations that you attack without provocation.

The Grand Dutchy of Heimlichsburg will of course join in an effort to assit this holy crusade! Though as we have exmanined, there are far less Muslim Germanics.

Pope Pius XIII of CM has already declared your pope the "Anti-pope" and a demon, and he has excommunicated him. So now all catholics can send their donations to Jackson City. Just write Address: "Papal Palace in Jackson City, Mississippi."

Holy see, there are so few Catholic nations meeting your criteria I would have better luck then you starting a Zoroastrian Alliance.

The Grand Dutchy of Heimlichsburg will of course join in an effort to assit this holy crusade! Though as we have exmanined, there are far less Muslim Germanics.

Maybe because you killed them all? You know I love ya Heimlichs =P

Pope Pius XIII of CM has already declared your pope the "Anti-pope" and a demon

Wouldn't that be "Anti-Crist"?

Wouldn't that be "Anti-Crist"?

ooc:No an anti-pope is a false pope and not considered a pope by the PApacy.

ic:All Parthian catholics (numbering about 34) have been ordered to declare their pope to be the CM one.

Wouldn't that be "Anti-Crist"?


No, in the schisms of the middle ages there were often 2 and a few times 3 popes. Each would declare the others the "Anti-pope" and excommunicate them. Then there was the whole bablyonian captivity when the papacy was forcibly moved to Avignon france by french soldiers.

Chellis laughs at the pope, plain and simple. Atheism is the truth, and all christians and catholics found in chellis are shot. Churches and private prayer are illegal. Nation-wide lies of religion are only pulling wool over the eyes of people.

Chellis will help any nation which is attacked by this so called alliance, if it is attacked only because it oppreses liars, christians.

If any member of the Catholic Alliance goes upon any "Crusade" I will consider using military force to defend that nation from religious fanatics.

President Sam MacDonald

Chellis laughs at the pope, plain and simple. Atheism is the truth, and all christians and catholics found in chellis are shot. Churches and private prayer are illegal. Nation-wide lies of religion are only pulling wool over the eyes of people.

Although we do respect your choice of religion or lack thereof but why are you against religions like Zoroastrianism or Buddhism?

In my nation we have people who are anxious to blow themselves up in the name of Christ. They want to martyr themselves and take out the enemies of God at the same time. They are called "The Christian Martyrs Brigade" and they will help any Christians who need help.

Religion is a disease that should be denounced for what it really is, plain and simple.

The only legal religion in chellis, and not even chellis, but chellian torres, is sirithilism. And thats for political reasons.

If any member of the Catholic Alliance goes upon any "Crusade" I will consider using military force to defend that nation from religious fanatics.

President Sam MacDonald


Bleh, don't attack religious fanatics, they're amusing. Besides one of them is in my region.

Religion is a disease that should be denounced for what it really is, plain and simple.

The only legal religion in chellis, and not even chellis, but chellian torres, is sirithilism. And thats for political reasons.

Oh Well, Just know that Parthia is a Zoroastrian nation where all religions, Agnosticism, and Atheism are tolerated.

We dont allow agnosticism either, some people tend to put them in the same group, so its just a clarification. Belief in such a thing is belief.

-Official Responce (PUBLIC IC)

"We consider this alliance to be contrary to Mekantan interests on Terra."

"Be warned. Any attempt to stop the Steel Imperium from persuing those who would 'sin' against us, simply because they worship the same god that you do, will result in the use of biological, chemical, and nanite weapons against your nations."

"This is not an idle threat. Do not interfere in our extermination of our enemies, regardless of how 'Catholic' like they are."

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Administrator Kuroi, Director of Mekantan Operations in Sol

(OOC Translation: "You screw with our operations on Earth, regardless of how many Christians we slaughter, and the barrier between Future and Modern tech falls, resulting in orbital bombardment of 'j0 4zZ'." ^_^)

nanite?? Interesting, how does that work?

-OOC-

OOC or IC question? ^_^

-OOC-

OOC or IC question? ^_^

Ic and ooc....

-OOC-

It works by dropping a bomb full of specialized nanobots/nanites on a country. They spread through the air, getting into people and ripping them apart from the inside. They actively destroy white blood cells (or equivalent, when used on non-humans) and any viralphage used to try to stop them.

My other major nation, however, is working on one that's a thousand times more dangerous. The only hint I'll give on that one is that it's called the "Minagoroshi" which means "Wholesale Slaughter"


-IC-

"The Nanite Weapons work because we drop them on people who ask too many questions."

Communist Louisiana and her territories will not recognize Holy See ofCatholicism as the leader of the Catholic world. It is sad that you wish to rather judge your fellow man the way you are. The true catholic church would support Catholicism in communist/socialist contries. I can tell you now that since we operate in a socialist system, we dont have to worry about chruches closing.

The government pays for a majority of the material the chruch uses and offers incentives to men and women who seek a religious career. This state is one of the best things to happen to the church in a long time.

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Arch-Bishop Braxton
Head of the Louisianaian Catholic Church
St. Louis Cathedral
New Orleans, Communist Louisiana

"To bypass our... problem... in dealing with inferior, primative nations..."

"We offer this to any nation: The tools, materials, and assistance to flood the Holy See ofCatholism with homosexual pornography."

"Why?"

"Because we're Mekanta. We $%&@ing can."


-Akai
Assistant to Kuroi

Your pitiful Catholic god is nothing but a shadowy reflection of the True Face of Eternity, The Maker of The Void, The Architect of the Absolute!
Bow your heads in submission to The Dual God!
Bow and repent and your death will be swift!

No, Bow before Ahura Mazda.

I am catholic but am also quite left winged as well.
Where does that put me
I bevelie freedom of and from reglion.

TO: East Coast Federation
FROM: Arch-Bishop Braxton

I see that our respected nations are on the same page in this dilemma. May I suggest a new Catholic Alliance open to all nations or maybe just left-wing nations. As you can see, their is some support for this. Please get back to us on this issue.

*to author*
No, just joing Defenders of the Faith, Jeruselem's alliance. Already there, as far as I know already powerful. I'm not in, but I have heard of it. Or for that matter join my region-I'm Catholic and they have no problem with me.
~Anithraldur

This far right (ironic as my nation is nazi, i know :) organisation does not represent Christians as whole and NWV is fully opposed to it. As our recent liberal policies concerning religious freedom in NWV have shown, everyone from any religion can get along just fine without the need for the state to give the orthodoxy so much power, like in Israel.

Do you know how many other claimants there are to the Papacy. We are a mostly Catholic nation, who have recently overthrown capitalism, and are looking for a hierarchy to disagree with.

"To bypass our... problem... in dealing with inferior, primative nations..."

"We offer this to any nation: The tools, materials, and assistance to flood the Holy See ofCatholism with homosexual pornography."

"Why?"

"Because we're Mekanta. We $%&@ing can."


-Akai
Assistant to Kuroi

Sure, we have homoerotic porn everywhere in our spam boxes. Where do you want them?
Minister of Commerce: Nikolai Geoff

No thank you, the majority of Callisdrunians are proudly pagan. The local catholic churches had to relax several positions, especially with regards to sexual "morality" to win any converts at all.

The High Priestess of the Callisdrunian Pantheon sent a personal message to you, but we are afraid that it is rather too inappropriate for us to print here.

Pope Pius XI said in his Quad. Anno (1931) "No one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true Socialist." We must remember that Marx's pure Communist socity was avowedly atheist, because his belief was that religion was merely something to keep the masses happy. Although the Vatican has no problems with charity, indeed that is what the Benedictines, Fransiscans, and the other orders do, it is to be kept private, not governmental.

To: Holy See of Catholicism
From: Dyelli Beybi Diplmatic Corp
While Marx himserlf was an atheist it is the belief of the Dyelli Beybian Government that the essential goals of Christianity and Socialism are the same. Indicating that a state should not be involved in welfare rather it only exist on a private level is a short sighted approach, addopted due to the Communist-phobic, indeed pro-Fascist sentiments in 1930s Italy. Dyelli Beybi shall continue to opose this Alliance.

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To: All concerned left of centre Catholic Nations (Communist Louisiana and East Coast Federation)
From: Dyelli Beybi Diplomatic Corp
This so called Church hierachy must be oposed by another. It is the opinion of the Church in Cyro (OOC: which for reference broke from the Catholic Church then rejoined) that a union of opposed Catholic States must be formed, indeed it cannot be ruled out that if this faction does indded represent the face of the Church, that our own hierachy should be established.
Sincerely Commisaar Dzerzhinsky - office of the High Chancellor

The Republic of HappyHourLovers supports the Catholic Alliance. We believe that God and His message are crucially important to the true happiness of all peoples. He gave us Happy Hour and the alcoholic beverage so we could relax after working hard, and enjoy each others company in an inclusive, mutually supportive atmosphere. At least thats what our leader, Jack Daniels, tells us. :D

Quote from address of Marshal of the State General Morosov to the people of Lasatania and those who believe in Revolutionary Socialism:

"We can no longer stand back and allow those whose dream it is to impose religous dogma on the untainted soul of the proletariat, whose only belief is in making their world a better place for future generations, not those whose bones slowly decay in their expensive mausoleums. "


Official statement from Foreign Ministry.

The People's Revolutionary Party of Lasatania denounces this so called 'religous alliance' and warns that any infringment on the rights of individuals in the name of religon or military expeditions in its name shall be met with fierce resistance. You have been warned.



For the full speech go to:

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341415

To: All concerned left of centre Catholic Nations (Communist Louisiana and East Coast Federation)
From: Dyelli Beybi Diplomatic Corp
This so called Church hierachy must be oposed by another. It is the opinion of the Church in Cyro (OOC: which for reference broke from the Catholic Church then rejoined) that a union of opposed Catholic States must be formed, indeed it cannot be ruled out that if this faction does indded represent the face of the Church, that our own hierachy should be established.
Sincerely Commisaar Dzerzhinsky - office of the High Chancellor


To Dyelli Beybi Diplomatic Corps
From: Santa Sagissima Office for Foreign Missions

We would welcome a revolutionary socialist alliance of Catholic peoples. While I imagine that we would oppose imperialist aggression from within the framework of our already existing alliances, the Congregation for the Consideration of Historical Materialist Theory and the Office for Foreign Missions of Santa Sagissima would be honoured to join with others in debate against reactionary versions of Catholicism, and indeed any other religion.

However, in the absence of any other Papal claimants (we regard Communist Mississippi's "Pope" as a puppet of the Dictator Fabus), we recognise the claim of the Holy See to Peter's Chair. We recognise him, although we regret the difficulties of communication between the center of the Catholic world and a remote, but lovely, archipelago.

Inigo+
Vicar-Generalariat for Foreign Missions
The Most Serene Republic of SS

Chellis laughs at the pope, plain and simple. Atheism is the truth, and all christians and catholics found in chellis are shot. Churches and private prayer are illegal. Nation-wide lies of religion are only pulling wool over the eyes of people.

Chellis will help any nation which is attacked by this so called alliance, if it is attacked only because it oppreses liars, christians.

The Finnish Technocracy is apalled by your oppression on the free exchange of ideas. Are you aware your policy is hindering the process of science and the eventual transcendence of humankind?

TO: All nations supporting a new Catholic Alliance
FROM: Arch-Bishop Braxton of CL

I have spoken personally with Premir Jindal of Communist Louisiana. He assured me that this nation supports a unbiased Catholic Alliance. Left-winged nations are the majority of catholic nations. There is one thing I must state now. This Left-Catholic Alliance should have no military. It should be protected by nations or other alliances(I think their would be many of them that would support) who support us.

I also think that since we are the majority of catholic nations, we should also recognize a true pope. I am tired of these other nations all saying that their leader of their church is the pope of all catholics. We need a true pope set up by the majority(us) so that no true catholic nation can deny this as the real pope.

In reply to all:
The Pope must thank you all for your feedback, although the conclusion has been drawn that NS is a very left-of-centre website. Or at least the majority of members are. Also, to those who doubt the Catholic Church, especially protestants, the papacy can be traced with ease all the way back to Peter, who received his authority directly from Jesus. To see the list go here:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm

To Communist Mississippi:
Your "Pope" is a delusional. For the papacy to be in an avowedly Communist country... let's not go into all the implications, such as the anti-christ finally coming upon us. Or just another mad-man with supposed seminarian training, being used to prop up some regime.

To Heimlichsburg:
Do you have anything that you believe should be added/changed/removed? YOUR advice will actually be useful.

Thank you.

TO: All nations supporting a new Catholic Alliance
FROM: Arch-Bishop Braxton of CL

I have spoken personally with Premir Jindal of Communist Louisiana. He assured me that this nation supports a unbiased Catholic Alliance. Left-winged nations are the majority of catholic nations. There is one thing I must state now. This Left-Catholic Alliance should have no military. It should be protected by nations or other alliances(I think their would be many of them that would support) who support us.

I also think that since we are the majority of catholic nations, we should also recognize a true pope. I am tired of these other nations all saying that their leader of their church is the pope of all catholics. We need a true pope set up by the majority(us) so that no true catholic nation can deny this as the real pope.

Well, I will gladly give up my title to someone who is an actual priest/seminarian/theologian THAT IS IN FULL COMMUNION WITH THE ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, APOSTOLIC CHURCH. Not some communist, liberal, or Kennedy/Kerry Catholic.

The Grand Dutchy of Heimlichsburg will of course join in an effort to assit this holy crusade! Though as we have exmanined, there are far less Muslim Germanics.

Slow down! We are not declaring a Crusade! We are here to provide assistance to those in need. We don't need to bomb the "pagans" to Hell.

Luftsgerden, which is nominally Catholic, wishes to join. We suggest a less harsh rule about memberships of leftists.

-Luftsgerden Diplomacy Office (LDO)

There are only 34 Catholics in Parthia and they follow the Pope of Communist Mississippi (ooc: CM is communist in name only). We do have a few Armenian Orthodox Church Members but otherwise we are a Zoroastrian nation.

Anyway, we find religious alliances to be distateful and especially ones based on a religion that has tried to lead us astray from the true faith of Zoroastrianism.

We hereby condemn this false pope and recognize the pope of Communist Mississippi as Pope.

A fleet is sailing out of the port of Hormuz and is heading into the Liguruan Sea near Rome. It is transporting one division of 'Immortals', Three infantry and one tank division. Thats a total of 25,000 'Immortals', 60,000 Infantry, 1500 Tanks, and 300 Tanks in the Immortal Division. The Immortals are especially peeved about your constant missionary attempts. And one of the Infantry divisions is made up of Armenian Orthodox Church members who think that you are false.

Give up now and proclaim the CM pope to be the Holy and True pope or a Zoroastrian host will sack the Holy See.

A fleet is sailing out of the port of Hormuz and is heading into the Liguruan Sea near Rome. It is transporting one division of 'Immortals', Three infantry and one tank division. Thats a total of 25,000 'Immortals', 60,000 Infantry, 1500 Tanks, and 300 Tanks in the Immortal Division. The Immortals are especially peeved about your constant missionary attempts. And one of the Infantry divisions is made up of Armenian Orthodox Church members who think that you are false.

Give up now and proclaim the CM pope to be the Holy and True pope or a Zoroastrian host will sack the Holy See.

Arizona Nova comdemns this act of unprovoked, fanatical religious aggression. If your fundamentalist Zoroatrian fanatics are so offended by missionary efforts undertaken by other religions, the lest they could do is shut them out of their own country; it is not their business what that religion does in the world at large as well.
If your "immortals" so much as fire a shot, you will have a pin-point orbital bombardment from my Hyperion class star battleship ANSS Arizona and support fleet to contend with. And if you think it's "unfair" for a space nation to beat up a modern tech nation, I think it's "unfair" for Zoroastrian fanatics to beat up a Catholic nation out of sheer malice and religious dogma. Arizona Nova also has a substantial defense budget and as such a powerful military which eclipses your puny "immortals" division; if not your entire invasion army, many times over, so even if I fought you with modern tech only, the odds would be on my side. Stand down, or I will be forced to act.
As for anyone who would criticize me for jumping into a situation hastily, might I cite that The Parthians are the only ones being "hasty."
This stance applies to the current situation with the aggressor "The Parthians" only; any longer standing alliances between Arizona Nova and HSOC will need to be mediated through other channels.

-OOC-

It works by dropping a bomb full of specialized nanobots/nanites on a country. They spread through the air, getting into people and ripping them apart from the inside. They actively destroy white blood cells (or equivalent, when used on non-humans) and any viralphage used to try to stop them.

My other major nation, however, is working on one that's a thousand times more dangerous. The only hint I'll give on that one is that it's called the "Minagoroshi" which means "Wholesale Slaughter"


-IC-

"The Nanite Weapons work because we drop them on people who ask too many questions."

Thats future tech right?

Well, its impossible to make at the moment, so I'd be ignoring it regardless of what side you are on.

-OOC-

Yes. Future Tech.

But when a Modern Tech nation is the agressor against a Future Tech nation, the "barrier" drops and whatever hell the Future Tech nation decides to unleash upon the Modern Tech nation goes. Same principle with Arizona Nova's ship.

Since he's(?) Future Tech, the ship is okay since the Modern Techer is the agressor.


At long as you don't fire the first shot against me, it doesn't really matter if it's ignored or not. Just as long as you recognize the casualties. ^_^

Arizona Nova comdemns this act of unprovoked, fanatical religious aggression. If your fundamentalist Zoroatrian fanatics are so offended by missionary efforts undertaken by other religions, the lest they could do is shut them out of their own country; it is not their business what that religion does in the world at large as well.
If your "immortals" so much as fire a shot, you will have a pin-point orbital bombardment from my Hyperion class star battleship ANSS Arizona and support fleet to contend with. And if you think it's "unfair" for a space nation to beat up a modern tech nation, I think it's "unfair" for Zoroastrian fanatics to beat up a Catholic nation out of sheer malice and religious dogma. Arizona Nova also has a substantial defense budget and as such a powerful military which eclipses your puny "immortals" division; if not your entire invasion army, many times over, so even if I fought you with modern tech only, the odds would be on my side. Stand down, or I will be forced to act.
As for anyone who would criticize me for jumping into a situation hastily, might I cite that The Parthians are the only ones being "hasty."
This stance applies to the current situation with the aggressor "The Parthians" only; any longer standing alliances between Arizona Nova and HSOC will need to be mediated through other channels.


Firstly as a future tech nation you are pretty much ignored by me. I'm not being the agressor against you and thus the barrier is still up.

OOC: My ground forces are still essentially conventional, though. In fact, I just sent my special forces through conventional training for just such a conflict. So I could tie my navy behind my back and fight you with ground troops and tanks, if that would be "more fair." How about it, then?
And you have provoked aggressions against a nation just looking for allies, and nothing more, which is quite heinous in my books. You condemn his religious motivations and then talk about how you're about to unleash a "Zoroastrian host" to decimate him utterly. Uncalled for, in my books. You couldn't even be subtle and go for assasination, no, you send out the bloodthirsty horde first.

OOC: My ground forces are still essentially conventional, though. So I could tie my navy behind my back and fight you with ground troops and tanks, if that would be "more fair." How about it, then?
By conventinal you probably mean ion pulsars and other stuff like that, otherwords auto-ignored. But its not important anyway. I'm not going to invade unless I see reason to. (ie- the pope launches a crusade).

The Parthian fleet is rounding Yemen into the Red Sea. After that it will dock in the Parthian Egypt port of New Persepolis.

-OOC-

I'm pretty sure by conventional he means modern.

Also... I forgot to mention this.

If a nation you do attack asks for his help with the Hyperion, that nation will bring down the barrier.

-OOC-

I'm pretty sure by conventional he means modern.

Also... I forgot to mention this.

If a nation you do attack asks for his help with the Hyperion, that nation will bring down the barrier.


So if I attack a nation and he asks for help from a future nation that means the future nation can start with uber-1337 ion cannon zapping? Seems like that could end an RP prety quick.

By conventinal you probably mean ion pulsars and other stuff like that, otherwords auto-ignored. But its not important anyway. I'm not going to invade unless I see reason to. (ie- the pope launches a crusade).

Your ignore cannon is quite trigger happy, friend. And by conventional I mean just that-combat rifles not too far removed from the ones America's GIs are using in Iraq right now. Our R&D in the past century has totally been focused on naval ships, ground forces have not gotten much attention, something we shall remedy soon.


A fleet is sailing out of the port of Hormuz and is heading into the Liguruan Sea near Rome. It is transporting one division of 'Immortals', Three infantry and one tank division. Thats a total of 25,000 'Immortals', 60,000 Infantry, 1500 Tanks, and 300 Tanks in the Immortal Division. The Immortals are especially peeved about your constant missionary attempts. And one of the Infantry divisions is made up of Armenian Orthodox Church members who think that you are false.

Give up now and proclaim the CM pope to be the Holy and True pope or a Zoroastrian host will sack the Holy See.

Nothing about crusades in that post, mate. Gotcha. And HSOC said nothing about a crusade, in fact, he has denied any such intention.

Slow down! We are not declaring a Crusade! We are here to provide assistance to those in need. We don't need to bomb the "pagans" to Hell.
Today 11:48 AM

Thus, you have some troops you should remove in short order. Have a good day.
~Anithraldur

Well, I'll just keep my troops on standby in New Persepolis. (It's a shame I won't be able to avenge the destruction of the Ganzak fire temple by Christians.)

In an effort to restore Christendom to its former glory, the Pope asks all Catholic countries to pledge their support of Catholicism. How? By joining the Catholic Alliance! The Constitution, open to changes and modifications, will be based around the following ideals:

1. Catholics should support other Catholic and Christian causes, whether that is social causes, such as the Pro-life movement, or Military causes, such as oppressed Christians in Sudan by Muslim/Arabic Militias.

2. Atheism, Communism, and Socialism are to be stopped at all costs. No liberal welfare states will be admitted, unless permission is granted. (Yes, I know my country is a hole, but I am working on it.)

3. Militant Islamic Terror is to be combated. Islam is silently infilitrating our culture. Over 50% of German citizens are Muslim and recently France gained more Mosques than churches. This trend is to be stopped.

4. No cause is to small or insignificant. Neither is any country. All countries that are (mostly) inconcordance with the Vatican will be admitted.

Please comment on this. Any changes will be duly noted.

-Holy See ofCatholicism Office for Spread of Christian Ideals

Bah, your Catholic Faith is so unpopular, that, in Hallad nearly 15% of the Catholics converted to Islam on their own free will.

-Commissariate of Religion

So if I attack a nation and he asks for help from a future nation that means the future nation can start with uber-1337 ion cannon zapping? Seems like that could end an RP prety quick.

Only defensively. And within reason.

It's not technology. It's application.

Back when I was Advanced-Modern, an ally and I made a weapon that could kick most Future Tech nations' asses.

Besides. There is no uber end all weapon aside from PlanetBusters/Worldkillers, and those are firmly mass-IGNORED when used on Earth.

Plus, any GOOD Future Tech nation knows how to balance when dealing with modern tech.

Example: Me.

Mekanta has one of the most powerful weapons in present Future Tech: The Reflex Cannon.

Ship to Ship warfare, very little can survive a direct hit from one, and nothing short of supermassive things like planets or worldships can survive more than five.

But it's much less useful in orbital bombardment. It's massive power is reduced to only that of a nuke when used against planets. Why? Because I know how to balance it. You're boned when you deal with me in space, but a modern tech nation can do more damage than me on the ground. (Not taking into account weapons designed for that purpose.)


There was a really good topic on this subject somewhere. I'll see if I can find it for you. ^_^

Well, I'll just keep my troops on standby in New Persepolis. (It's a shame I won't be able to avenge the destruction of the Ganzak fire temple by Christians.)

Ah, so thats what this is about. You're law enforcement is either not good enough to deal with rioting "Christians," or you're overzealous when it comes to retribution. There is no logic in attacking a random Catholic nation with no stated hostile intentions because of what some "Christians" did to you. It would be like going and shooting someone at random because somebody stole the TV out of your living room. But thank for standing down, though your paranoia over HSOC is certainly strange. And of course, having troops on standby in New Persepolis isn't exactly the most reassuring thing either. I'll be watching you...

IC: ANI/NCO adds The Parthians to the Watchlist, a "threat dossier."

CM pope, Pope Pius XIII has already excommunicated this guys pope and declared him a demon.

-OOC-

Yes. Future Tech.

But when a Modern Tech nation is the agressor against a Future Tech nation, the "barrier" drops and whatever hell the Future Tech nation decides to unleash upon the Modern Tech nation goes. Same principle with Arizona Nova's ship.

Since he's(?) Future Tech, the ship is okay since the Modern Techer is the agressor.


At long as you don't fire the first shot against me, it doesn't really matter if it's ignored or not. Just as long as you recognize the casualties. ^_^

OOC: I am going to ignore future tech without reguard to who the aggressor is.

Your ignore cannon is quite trigger happy, friend. And by conventional I mean just that-combat rifles not too far removed from the ones America's GIs are using in Iraq right now. Our R&D in the past century has totally been focused on naval ships, ground forces have not gotten much attention, something we shall remedy soon.


Our GI's are using M-16's and the like.

I urge all nations to ignore these Romanists and their scheming and plotting. Islam is a hideous threat to Christendom. But the greater threat comes from the Papacy itself. It is nothing but a fraud, a sham, a comedy, a blackmail!

I will quote from the Westminster Larger Catechism

Of the Pope: There is no head of the Church but Jesus Christ nor can the Pope of Rome anywise be head thereof, but is that Anti-Christ who exalteth himself in the temple of God, against God and anything that is called God.

This is nothing more than a gathering of the enemies of Christ to destroy the true Christian faith.

In the end times there will be two churches. A true Church, and a false Church. The false Church has already risen...we see it here growing further!

Sola Scriptura, Sola Fide, Soli Deo Gloria!

Rev. Dr. Ian R.K. Paisley
Emperor of Greater Prussia

OOC: I am going to ignore future tech without reguard to who the aggressor is.


I agree. That will be my my policy.

In the end times there will be two churches. A true Church, and a false Church. The false Church has already risen...we see it here growing further!


That is an untrue statement. Christ Himself promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His church (Matthew 16:18) And that he would be with His church "always, until the end of the world!" (Matthew 28:20)

So... For some reason I have a nagging feeling that their is no 'anti-church' and least of all that the Catholic faiths are that church.

A Parthian fleet transporting of 5000 Immortals in Pave-Low helicopters is heading through the Suez.

A Parthian fleet transporting of 5000 Immortals in Pave-Low helicopters is heading through the Suez.

ooc: Are they equipped with traditional sword & shields? Also... who are you attacking? :)

ooc: Are they equipped with traditional sword & shields? Also... who are you attacking? :)


ooc: No, they have OICWs and Scimitars. We like to be modern.
We are planning to pressure Holy See of Catholicism to have his pope step down so a new pope that isn't a religious bigot can be "elected".

ooc: No, they have OICWs and Scimitars. We like to be modern.
We are planning to pressure Holy See of Catholicism to have his pope step down so a new pope that isn't a religious bigot can be "elected".

ooc: I see. Well, I think an army of Darian Immortals would be pretty sweet.

ooc: I see. Well, I think an army of Darian Immortals would be pretty sweet.


Yes, theyre still the cream of our army and they still have very sharp scimitars. They recieve the best training we can give which often borders on special ops training in quality.

That is an untrue statement. Christ Himself promised that the gates of Hell would not prevail against His church (Matthew 16:18) And that he would be with His church "always, until the end of the world!" (Matthew 28:20)

So... For some reason I have a nagging feeling that their is no 'anti-church' and least of all that the Catholic faiths are that church.

Religion itself isnt wrong, just the beliefs.

Religion itself isnt wrong, just the beliefs.

Hmm... Could you elaborate on that. And, why did you quote me? :)

TO: All nations supporting a new Catholic Alliance
FROM: Arch-Bishop Braxton of CL

I have spoken personally with Premir Jindal of Communist Louisiana. He assured me that this nation supports a unbiased Catholic Alliance. Left-winged nations are the majority of catholic nations. There is one thing I must state now. This Left-Catholic Alliance should have no military. It should be protected by nations or other alliances(I think their would be many of them that would support) who support us.

I also think that since we are the majority of catholic nations, we should also recognize a true pope. I am tired of these other nations all saying that their leader of their church is the pope of all catholics. We need a true pope set up by the majority(us) so that no true catholic nation can deny this as the real pope.

TO: Communist Louisiana
From: Dyelli Beybi Diplomatic Corp
We are in full support of the Church in Louisiana. The Cardinal of Cyro also expresses his positive feelings in regards to the possibility of establishing a true Pope. We first need to establish a centre for the new Papacy. We suggest the City of Saint Guineford's on the South Coast of Dyelli Beybi, although naturally this would have to be voted on by the Cardinals. Saint Guineford's has attempted in the past to break away from Dyelli Beybi and establish a "Papal State" for the Protestant Church of Cyro, it has a magnificent Cathedral which alas is still suffereing from war damage.
Commisaar Dzerzhinsky - Office of the High Chancellor

The Parthian fleet is going around Sicily into the Ligurian.

TO: Communist Louisiana
From: Dyelli Beybi Diplomatic Corp
We are in full support of the Church in Louisiana. The Cardinal of Cyro also expresses his positive feelings in regards to the possibility of establishing a true Pope. We first need to establish a centre for the new Papacy. We suggest the City of Saint Guineford's on the South Coast of Dyelli Beybi, although naturally this would have to be voted on by the Cardinals. Saint Guineford's has attempted in the past to break away from Dyelli Beybi and establish a "Papal State" for the Protestant Church of Cyro, it has a magnificent Cathedral which alas is still suffereing from war damage.
Commisaar Dzerzhinsky - Office of the High Chancellor

And... Although I am biased, I suggest that we decide upon The Arx as the capitol of the NS Catholic Alliance.

I'll invade The Holy See to rid the world of this crusader. I can also steal holy artefacts and bring them to the new catholic church.

A Parthian force is now sitting off the coast of Italy and is monitoring the situation. I suggest that THSC treads lightly to avoid a Zoroastrian host decending on their precious holy see.

would anyone object to me attacking THSC?

-OOC-

Knock yourself out.

If you'd like, I can IC bitchslap my Modern-Tech puppet to assist logistically.

Silaris. 700-800 million population range. IC, will do anything Mekanta tells them to because they (1.) Like working for Mekanta, and (2.) Don't want to be on the bad side of people who have no problems sterilizing entire planets, much less a small continent.

-OOC-

Knock yourself out.

If you'd like, I can IC bitchslap my Modern-Tech puppet to assist logistically.

Silaris. 700-800 million population range. IC, will do anything Mekanta tells them to because they (1.) Like working for Mekanta, and (2.) Don't want to be on the bad side of people who have no problems sterilizing entire planets, much less a small continent.


Any assistance would be welcome.

(IC) I WOULD OBJECT. I told you, you little hate-mongering monkey, to stand down. I will wipe the floor with you with my conventional, modern tech equipped army, if you do not leave HSOC alone. This is your FINAL warning.
Draft rate=2%
2% of current pop=35,220,000
20 million ground troops in the empire.
10 million deployed abroad at any time.
3.3 million within reach of Earth at any time.
The Parthians better step carefully, and get away from HSOC now, lest his invasion force be decimated by a host of marines. You are not in the right in this invasion, it is totally unprovoked and born of your own fanatical hatred for Christians and Catholics. If you have a fight against the Catholic church, you have a fight against me, being Catholic, and I will respond in kind. Even if I don't recognize HSOC as Pope, he is Catholic. Now stand down. I thought you learned your lesson earlier today.
Mekanta, just stay out of this. This rogue nation is bigotted and vengeful, not to mention illogical. It would harm trade relations between our two nations, and both of us have something to gain. I don't ask you to attack The Parthians, but I would ask you to not supply or aid them. I can give you... things.

Fine, but should this pope declare a crusade I will attack.
We are otherwise standing down and retasking our forces back to New Persepolis.

And remember it wasn't a christian mob who destroyed the Ganzak Fire-Temple, It was Byzantine Catholics who sacked the temple with support from the pope against the pagan "fire-worshippers".

And in New Persepolis they shall stay, unless you want me to come crashing down on you, CONVENTIONALLY, like a bag of hammers. The only crusader I see is you, not HSOC. He has already told you, and I quoted him earlier, that he has no intentions for a crusade. I also told you I'll be watching you, and I will. You are officially a Watchlist Nation Class 1, Parthians; classified as illogical, dangerous, and aggressive. Frankly, I'm going to make one of my puppets, Kerith Ravine, modern tech like Mekanta has done with his puppet, just to contest you effectively and fairly. That way Arizona Nova won't have to get its hands dirty combatting you.
Where is HSOC, anyway? Poor fellow, being harassed by crazy Zoroastrians with an axe to grind.

The AN"I" is upon you!
http://anikari.zioncreation.com/ani.gif

-OOC-

Aww, but I had something really... interesting... planned.

Kee hee hee...

Chellis warns Arizona Nova not to threaten people so rashly. Certain large nations might not like it.

Yes for sure, we have Catholics as a national dish.
Only, our Muslim inhabitants refuse this dish, as they do not eat pig-meat.
Our nation is a devoted atheist one.
We will not join any alliance, although we have serious Catholic backgrounds.
Catholicism sucks, try a real religion!

Arizona Nova, I backed off.....

The fact that you still want to attack me is everything you called me.

And besides, I don't want another crusade which is what this alliance is going to become.

To Parthians:

As you should know, the Pope is in the Vatican, which is surrounded by Rome, the capital of Italy. To attack me, you need to go through who knows how many Italians. Also, the papacy is protected by the Swiss Guards. Far from being mere decoration, they are very effective infantry. Especiallly when defending an area no larger than two sqaure miles. There are also aircraft that can effectively pull the Pope to an undisclosed location in a very short time.

To those wondering:
This IS NOT future tech. So nano-bombs and genetically engineered soldiers will be IGNORED.

Yours in Christ,
THSC

To Parthians:

As you should know, the Pope is in the Vatican, which is surrounded by Rome, the capital of Italy. To attack me, you need to go through who knows how many Italians. Also, the papacy is protected by the Swiss Guards. Far from being mere decoration, they are very effective infantry. Especiallly when defending an area no larger than two sqaure miles. There are also aircraft that can effectively pull the Pope to an undisclosed location in a very short time.

To those wondering:
This IS NOT future tech. So nano-bombs and genetically engineered soldiers will be IGNORED.

Yours in Christ,
THSC


I am aware that the swiss Guards could mound an effective defense until the pope flees but also know that enough F-18s and Pave Lows full of soldiers could drop in if provided cover from any Italian Air Foce Presence.

Oh, I almost forgot to say it for the 100th time. THIS IS NOT A CRUSADE!!!!! The alliance is to unite Catholics IN FAITH. It is only going to become a crusades if IDIOTS LIKE YOU DECLARE WAR ON THE VATICAN!!!!

Yours in Christ,
-THSC

THIS IS A CRUSADE!!!!! It is going to become a crusade.



Good Lord, he's admitted it. It's a crusade!!!

I'm not an idiot. We are just rather worried when religious extremists take over nations because of the Holy Wars fought by Byzantium against Persia and by radical muslims attacking Persia. We are Zoroastrian and are not going to fall victim to religious extremists, and remember that the first crusade you declare means I attack.

Good Lord, he's admitted it. It's a crusade!!!


If this is true a full scale attack will commence.

After taking stock of this very grave situation, the 25th MEU(SOC), which is based in the Medditerrean, has been tasked with these orders:

"To aid the papacy if in any way it is attacked, or put under siege by the Parthian fleet or any foriegn nation."

The 25th has the following capabilities:

20 (one fighter wing) JSF(Marine) fighter jets
1,500 (reinforced brigade) Soldiers
15 M-2 Bradley IFV
15 Amphibous vehicles
10 Sea Knight Helicopters
10 Whiskey Cobra attack choppers
100% Combat readiness

Good Lord, he's admitted it. It's a crusade!!!

Pretty funny for a commie.

To the Pope,

What are you going to do now, excommunicate me? Well, you can't...... Theres nothing you can do except follow what I say. We are on high alert if you declare a crusade or attempt missionary work in Parthia.

To the Pope,

What are you going to do now, excommunicate me? Well, you can't...... Theres nothing you can do except follow what I say. We are on high alert if you declare a crusade or attempt missionary work in Parthia.

which they haven't

The 25th has begun to disembark Fox company, or about 200 men, in order to bulk up the Swiss Guards. They board the Sea Knights at 1240 hours. They will be preceded by fighters.

The Pope extends his blessing to the Luftsgerds and gives them the go ahead to land.

If anyone captures the Pope, any cardinals, or bishops, we would appreciate it if they were sent to Generia so we could punish them brutally for their crimes against children.

If anyone captures the Pope, any cardinals, or bishops, we would appreciate it if they were sent to Generia so we could punish them brutally for their crimes against children.

Which would be .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... ............................?

If anyone captures the Pope, any cardinals, or bishops, we would appreciate it if they were sent to Generia so we could punish them brutally for their crimes against children.

That really isn't very funny...

At least to me.

Which would be .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... ............................?

Sexual molestation. Obviously you don't get the Post in the Vatican.

Obviously you can't count. Only about 30 out of 100,000s of priests ever commited such dispicable acts. And the pope definitely is't in that thirty.
And those thirty were dealt with.

The Sea Stallions have left the LS Johnstown and are enroute to the Vatican. The JSF's are flying cover and have warshot under thier wings.

Obviously you can't count. Only about 30 out of 100,000s of priests ever commited such dispicable acts. And the pope definitely is't in that thirty.
And those thirty were dealt with.

OOC: Hmmm. I'd argue that with you, but now is not the time. Anyway, better make an IC response out of politeness

IC:

Official Imperial Statement-

The Generic Empire denounces this "Catholic Alliance" as a political and military tool. Generian Catholics will not recognize the Holy See ofCatholicism as the true Pope. We stand by our allies, The Parthians, in any military action taken against the Holy See.

The Sea Stallions have landed and are disembarking their troops. Along for the ride came one M-2 Bradley and 3 HMMWV's

Wait just one minute here...I am not a catholic, or even a christian, but isn't one of the major "christian ideals" that the rich and well off should help the poor and down troden...um, also known as "welfare"? Why are you against welfare, and also liberals? And why are you also agains Muslims, socialism, communism and atheism? All it does to be against these things is to show how arrogant you really are.

This comment was made after reading only the first post, so it is directed towards Holy See ofCatholicism.

Hey Holy See of Catholicism? How do I join your region?

I am Catholic... and I am IN!

-Vinko

Hey Holy See of Catholicism? How do I join your region?

I am Catholic... and I am IN!

-Vinko

Realise that if you join the Holy See, you will be making many very powerful enemies.

Wait just one minute here...I am not a catholic, or even a christian, but isn't one of the major "christian ideals" that the rich and well off should help the poor and down troden...um, also known as "welfare"? Why are you against welfare, and also liberals? And why are you also agains Muslims, socialism, communism and atheism? All it does to be against these things is to show how arrogant you really are.

This comment was made after reading only the first post, so it is directed towards Holy See ofCatholicism.

As I have said, Catholicism has nothing against charity, as long as it isn't state produced. Again, Communism denies the existence of God, replaces it with leader worship, and takes away free will, a God-given right.

Hey Holy See of Catholicism? How do I join your region?

I am Catholic... and I am IN!

-Vinko

At the moment we are not a region, or even a formal alliance. I also want to point out that the proposal of an alliance between Catholics is bringing me thisclose to war. your support would be appreciated, though.

Let me first by saying can you honestly say that every person in your countries is in on your papal heresy. As I speak we are purging the non jews from our newly acquired promised land as we speak. All our people have come from all your nations of all the world there are agents of our zionist order in every nation of the world in every army there is a zionist soldier or officer every navy a sailor and every air force and corps there are pilots. they will excel through your ranks till the final day of judgement for heretics.

Be warned judgement day is nigh.

All of them, volunteers. Militant Atheist volunteers. The planes are unmarked, even no chellian F production mark, which are put on all the chellian exports, illegal or not. All the pilots have to be able to speak good french, not a hard requirement though, since most people know it anyways.

God bless these men, for they are on a mission of glory.

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On the northern most of old chellian algeria(the north recently being taken, but its not final), airfields were quickly being activated. A large number of recently transfered Rafales had been activated, previously under the wing of chellian Volksjaeger air units, but the planes were needed immediatly, with a promise to re-equip the volksjaeger with newer ones from home.

300 had been requisitioned from one air wing, all of them being modified, as the chellian standard, with passive radar. Each man also had inert explosives in the planes that could be activated if needed, to make sure nobody could take apart the planes if they were shot down but not destroyed. Each man had a Famas as well, incase they were shot down but could bail out. These 300 were armed with 12 Mica missiles and two 2-ton incindiary bombs. Another 150 were the same, except fitted with 6 1-ton cluster bombs and 6 Mica missiles.

The planes had taken off without a hitch. Since satelites were not allowed over chellian controlled lands space, it was very doubtful the planes would be picked up until they reached the coast of sardinia, and probably not even then, as the ocean isnt actively watched by most satelites. The planes had hit the southern coast of sardinia, and according to their plans, they took a turn to the north-east, right towards vatican city. They were not to damage anything at all out of vatican city, but they were to defend themselves from any attacks on them, and they were to level vatican city itself.

The aircraft neared the coast of italy. Chellis had no claim over these men now, the brave volunteers. The hopes of the few people informed prayed for them however.

His Imperial Majesty Umberto-Emmanuale graciously accepts The Holy See of Catholicism's invitation to form and join a Catholic Alliance.

Under His Absolute Rule he has made it official law that the official religion of The Holy Empire is Roman Catholocism

:D

His Imperial Majesty Umberto-Emmanuale graciously accepts The Holy See of Catholicism's invitation to form and join a Catholic Alliance.

Under His Absolute Rule he has made it official law that the official religion of The Holy Empire is Roman Catholocism

:D

Generia warns everyone, once more, that any nations who join this alliance are making several powerful enemies. It may be wise to rethink this.

Not to mention the other Catholic Alliance Communist Louisiana is setting up in opposition.

ooc: Chellis, I was planning to go in and sack the place, taking everything of value or historical interest then go through the vatican and do some scimitar butchering. But if you would rather just bomb the place then thats ok too.

Dyelli Beybi wishes to protest at this. All valuable art and historical artefacts should be preserved and preferably gifted or sold to the New Vatican.

Dyelli Beybi wishes to protest at this. All valuable art and historical artefacts should be preserved and preferably gifted or sold to the New Vatican.


Of course... Parthia just wanted to take it all and give it to the true pope in CM

Dyelli Beybi wishes to protest at this. All valuable art and historical artefacts should be preserved and preferably gifted or sold to the New Vatican.

Chellis doesnt understand what dyelli beybi is protesting. The alliance?

OOC:No IC reason you should know about the bombing or Parthas position, or at least not yet.

ooc: Are you going to bomb or should I send my men in?

ooc: Are you going to bomb or should I send my men in?

I already sent the planes.

I already sent the planes.


Ah well, that would have been alot of gold.

Animals. I have never seen such barbarism since I read "A History of the Middle Ages." The only thing which seperates you bloodthirsty nations from the Huns of old is that you have guns and tanks whereas they had to rely on bow, arrow and horse. But I am done taunting.

Kerith Ravine, my modern tech puppet, hereby joins the Catholic alliance proposed by HSOC. Bully me, attack me, threaten me, I shall stand for what I know is right; and I don't just mean my faith. Victimizing small, innocent nations with no intentions to start a Crusade is the basest act of international villainy there is, especially when such bullying is done expressly because of paranoia and old grudges. I will not stand aside, and I will not appease. There shall be action and there shall be justice.

~Anithraldur

Animals. I have never seen such barbarism since I read "A History of the Middle Ages." The only thing which seperates you bloodthirsty nations from the Huns of old is that you have guns and tanks whereas they had to rely on bow, arrow and horse. But I am done taunting.

Kerith Ravine, my modern tech puppet, hereby joins the Catholic alliance proposed by HSOC. Bully me, attack me, threaten me, I shall stand for what I know is right; and I don't just mean my faith. Victimizing small, innocent nations with no intentions to start a Crusade is the basest act of international villainy there is, especially when such bullying is done expressly because of paranoia and old grudges. I will not stand aside, and I will not appease. There shall be action and there shall be justice.

~Anithraldur

Generia is disgusted by your support for this evil political tool parading under religious flags. Obviously you are too blind to see the megalomanical nature of the Holy See. If Chellis or Parthia engages your corrupt nation, we will stand by them.

Communist Louisiana is openly supporting anyone who wishes to destroy this alliance. Not only will be support it, but we will give all fuel needed along with funding for a "crusade" against it.

Communist Louisiana is openly supporting anyone who wishes to destroy this alliance. Not only will be support it, but we will give all fuel needed along with funding for a "crusade" against it.

I would like to note the use of the word Crusade. Also, the Pope has thoghts on whether or nbot this is a "Crusade" by the Zoroastrians against Catholicism. The Swiss Guards have begun to lit up the radars of both "Avenger" AA missile systems and "Stinger" AA Missile systems.

- Yours in Christ,
THSOC

Dyelli Beybi wishes to protest at this. All valuable art and historical artefacts should be preserved and preferably gifted or sold to the New Vatican.

"New Vatican?" That is laughable! As you should know, the Papacy has always had a direct line straight to Peter. And catholics should also know that the relics of St. Peter and some of the finest examples of art are housed here.

Spelling error

Our JSF have been scrambled and are going at full afterburn towards the invaders. Our troops have lit off their AA radars as well.

A fleet is sailing out of the port of Hormuz and is heading into the Liguruan Sea near Rome. It is transporting one division of 'Immortals', Three infantry and one tank division. Thats a total of 25,000 'Immortals', 60,000 Infantry, 1500 Tanks, and 300 Tanks in the Immortal Division. The Immortals are especially peeved about your constant missionary attempts. And one of the Infantry divisions is made up of Armenian Orthodox Church members who think that you are false.

Give up now and proclaim the CM pope to be the Holy and True pope or a Zoroastrian host will sack the Holy See.

Wellllll... I just checked the Armed forces websites. How are you transporting them? The usual LPD, most commo of transport can only carry 800 men, and that is at surge capacity. You have 85,000 men. Plus naval crews, tank crews, air personnel, and command, that is alot of people. to carry 85,000 men, you would need 107 LPD's, plus ships to carry ammo, fuel, tanks, aircraft, and your command structure. And did I mention that the Vatican is only about two miles square?

Wellllll... I just checked the Armed forces websites. How are you transporting them? The usual LPD, most commo of transport can only carry 800 men, and that is at surge capacity. You have 85,000 men. Plus naval crews, tank crews, air personnel, and command, that is alot of people. to carry 85,000 men, you would need 107 LPD's, plus ships to carry ammo, fuel, tanks, aircraft, and your command structure. And did I mention that the Vatican is only about two miles square?

OOC:Hence why flattening it will be so easy

IC: The 450 chellian Rafale's made it into the airspace just before vatican city. The passive radar of most of the aircraft lit up with tens of targets each, as swiss guard AA guns targeted them. The Rafales were fully ready. The rafales were in waves, while each square foot of Vatican city had been mapped and prepared. Not one foot of vatican city would be free of explosive.

The Rafales of the first wave began dropping their loads of bombs and firing their ATG missiles at their targets, as the second wave began, and the third began. The rafales were in very clear skies, at about 15,000 meters. The bombing was to take about three minutes total of actual dropping.

The rafales didnt even try to evade enemy missiles. The Mica missiles on the Rafales began launching to intercept enemy missiles fired at them, passive radar giving each missile a mica to cover it. One or two Rafales were lost in the first minute, from Mica missiles intercepting enemy ones to closely to friendly fire, but no enemy hits were recorded at first.

The Rafales didn't see any scrambled jets from the vatican, but its radar was sweeping the city for anything. Their mission would be complete in two minutes, and they had the advantage of surprise, so no large amount of enemy jets were seen in their vicinity, a vicinity of where planes could reach them in three minutes even at highest imaginable speeds for fighter planes.

The mission looked like it would be very successful.

I think we should just leave this guy alone.

OOC: Just after he is obliterated, sure.

Wellllll... I just checked the Armed forces websites. How are you transporting them? The usual LPD, most commo of transport can only carry 800 men, and that is at surge capacity. You have 85,000 men. Plus naval crews, tank crews, air personnel, and command, that is alot of people. to carry 85,000 men, you would need 107 LPD's, plus ships to carry ammo, fuel, tanks, aircraft, and your command structure. And did I mention that the Vatican is only about two miles square?


ooc:I left all but 5000 immortals in the port of New Persepolis in Egypt. They were to be flown in by Pave Low and Blackhawk helicopters escorted by Super Cobras and F-18s.

TRANSMISSION BY RADIO BY A GROUP OF CATHOLIC PEOPLE

OOC: IN IIRRAAQQII, catholics make up of alot of the population:

IC: IIRRAAQQII (religion of symbolic national loyalty): 52%

Catholic: 30%

6% Muslim

2% Atheist

1% Other religious beliefs such as the jewish religion, paganism, satanism, humanism...etc etc. As long as any of these groups don't hurt the IIRRAAQQII government, then we will let them be.

A new group called Catholics In IIRRAAQQII (CII) is interested in world recognition.

"Catholic in IIRRAAQQII and beyond, we want to join together as one. We hope that our faithwill live on upon tyranny. We want to be considered a majority, the people of IIRRAAQQII, by the international community. IIRRAAQQII let's us be, we like that. But a church of IIRRAAQQII? I never got that.....I just wanted some attention this great evening, i have alot of work to get after..God Bless!"

OOC: The CII leader is a man called Antonio Perelli.

IIRRAAQQII Groups

CII(Catholics in IIRRAAQQII): Neutral

PAI(People Against IIRRAAQQII): Terroist group headed by Donnie Brasco.

LPF(Latin People Foundation): Supported by the government.

I also just formed an Anti-PAI group called A-PAI (Anti-People Against IIRRAAQQII). It's getting heated, though we haven't had any conflicts so far.

There can be as many popes as the Catholic Nations wish.

To fight over them is ridiculous, immature, and intolerant. If you do not believe in a certain pope but your own, why attack that other pope? Can you not simply ignore that pope?


Quarka sees no point to this imminent fighting. Any Parthian attack will be considered an attack against Quarka. Any attack against Quarka will be handily returned.


We are a nation of modern technological perfection. Few "future tech" weapons can penetrate our barriers, few infantry divisions have ever even made it inside of the country.


There are anywhere between(the exact number is classified) 10,000 and 40,000 nuclear weapons at my direct disposal. A button hidden under a thick cover of bullet-proof glass recessed within my desk will arm the entire lot of them. A call to any of our authorized generals will enable the firing of them.


We do not need to use our nuclear weapons on such a pathetic nation as thee, The Parthians. Your intolerance of national difference leaves you vulnerable to self-destruction.





We will only warn you this once. Any attack against Holy See of Catholicism will result in a counter-attack from us. You have been warned.

Coincidentally, 200 F-40 Quarkan National Guard fighters have been warned. Warned that, if you attack, they are armed to attack in return.


God Bless. Don't mess with Quarka. And don't mess with Holy See ofCatholicism.

-John Quantas, President of Quarka.

There can be as many popes as the Catholic Nations wish.

To fight over them is ridiculous, immature, and intolerant. If you do not believe in a certain pope but your own, why attack that other pope? Can you not simply ignore that pope?


Quarka sees no point to this imminent fighting. Any Parthian attack will be considered an attack against Quarka. Any attack against Quarka will be handily returned.


We are a nation of modern technological perfection. Few "future tech" weapons can penetrate our barriers, few infantry divisions have ever even made it inside of the country.


There are anywhere between(the exact number is classified) 10,000 and 40,000 nuclear weapons at my direct disposal. A button hidden under a thick cover of bullet-proof glass recessed within my desk will arm the entire lot of them. A call to any of our authorized generals will enable the firing of them.


We do not need to use our nuclear weapons on such a pathetic nation as thee, The Parthians. Your intolerance of national difference leaves you vulnerable to self-destruction.





We will only warn you this once. Any attack against Holy See of Catholicism will result in a counter-attack from us. You have been warned.

Coincidentally, 200 F-40 Quarkan National Guard fighters have been warned. Warned that, if you attack, they are armed to attack in return.


God Bless. Don't mess with Quarka. And don't mess with Holy See ofCatholicism.

-John Quantas, President of Quarka.


OOC: There is no point in this anymore, really. The vatican is being flattened at the moment, completely.

And are you doing it, Chellis?

This is so incredibly pointless.

You idiots who further this hatred and dissidence are truly ignorant of the world. Do you even know what being tolerant means?


Chellis, if you are doing this, I'm afraid you and all involved will come under the magnifying glass of Quarka and her many allies (count over 100).

And are you doing it, Chellis?

This is so incredibly pointless.

You idiots who further this hatred and dissidence are truly ignorant of the world. Do you even know what being tolerant means?


Chellis, if you are doing this, I'm afraid you and all involved will come under the magnifying glass of Quarka and her many allies (count over 100).

Is Chellis even Catholic? If not then your argument is pointless. I know Parthia is Zoroastrian.

Is Chellis even Catholic? If not then your argument is pointless. I know Parthia is Zoroastrian.

Argument? Stand down Generic empire. All who have attacked Holy See are under the watch of the Quarkan military. Such an attack is/was uncalled for and as nothing has officially been delcared, for Chellis to say the Vatican "is being levelled" is ridiculous, and I would say, godmodding.

We are prepared to fight for justice. Generic, are you amongst those who oppose national tolerance.

Argument? Stand down Generic empire. All who have attacked Holy See are under the watch of the Quarkan military. Such an attack is/was uncalled for and as nothing has officially been delcared, for Chellis to say the Vatican "is being levelled" is ridiculous, and I would say, godmodding.

We are prepared to fight for justice. Generic, are you amongst those who oppose national tolerance.

We take great offense at your statement. Generia has members of every major religion in existence. None are oppressed, and new religions are constantly emerging and developing. Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Hindi, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Pagans, Atheists, and Agnostics; all are welcome. We opposed the Holy See for what it was really trying to do: create a political machine based loosely on Catholicism, for the purpose of turning Catholics against other religions. By supporting this, you are the intollerant one, Quarka.

((OOC: Also, Chellis already commenced bombardment hours ago. For you to come in now and say that it is godmoding, because you were not there to stop it is insane.))

We take great offense at your statement. Generia has members of every major religion in existence. None are oppressed, and new religions are constantly emerging and developing. Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Hindi, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Pagans, Atheists, and Agnostics; all are welcome. We opposed the Holy See for what it was really trying to do: create a political machine based loosely on Catholicism, for the purpose of turning Catholics against other religions. By supporting this, you are the intollerant one, Quarka.

I apologize as that was meant to be a question. By national tolerance, I mean, are you UNABLE to ignore a pope you don't want to recognize?

We are as "tolerant" as you with religion.

And while what the Holy See was aiming for could have been misconstrued, it was not a "political machine" and was certainly not blatantly so.

I ask again: are you amongst those attacking Holy See, Generic empire? :|

I apologize as that was meant to be a question. By national tolerance, I mean, are you UNABLE to ignore a pope you don't want to recognize?

We are as "tolerant" as you with religion.

And while what the Holy See was aiming for could have been misconstrued, it was not a "political machine" and was certainly not blatantly so.

I ask again: are you amongst those attacking Holy See, Generic empire? :|

I have no forces attacking the Holy See, no, nor do I plan to, but Parthia is an ally of Generia.

I have no forces attacking the Holy See, no, nor do I plan to, but Parthia is an ally of Generia.

Since Parthians are not around, I will not make any imminent resolution.

However, Quarka will be watchful. This is silly and ignorant. Immature.


All who attack will bend under the sheer force of the Quarkan Military. We fight for justice, and we fight against intolerance.

Since Parthians are not around, I will not make any imminent resolution.

However, Quarka will be watchful. This is silly and ignorant. Immature.


All who attack will bend under the sheer force of the Quarkan Military. We fight for justice, and we fight against intolerance.

I warn you, as a friend, that Parthia and Chellis have friends in high places, and are not exactly "tiny" themselves. I too have friends in high places. I think it would be wise for you to abandon this hapless quest, and support the election of the new Pope:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=342027

Focus your energy on the formation of the new Papacy, one that all Catholics can agree on, and not on defending this hapless megalomaniac.

Chellis is not attacking the vatican, but greatly supports anyone who does. Religion is the opium of the people, and should be wiped out. Chellis is 94% atheist, 99% atheist on the mainland(We have 5% of the population sirithilists, and not by choice...political reasons).

Chellis warns Quarka not to threaten people, as chellis too has many allies, but more like many 3 billion population allies. That being, of course, that chellis couldnt take most people in itself.

OOC:Yes, I am the one bombing vatican, but in unmarked planes, and they are not distinctly chellian. Also, its not godmodding, it was a surprise attack with Fighter-bomber equipped Rafales using bases from chellian algeria. It would be godmodding to know they were there, since chellis destroys any non chellian satelites that come over its territories. I gave ample time for him to do things, and he did say he prepared AA missiles. I am not worried about those because the Mica missile can intercept other enemy missiles, and we have plenty of them. Also, his stingers dont have enough height to hit my planes, they are 4.5 times higher than the stingers can reach.

Parthia is simply waiting for HSOC to declare a crusade, as we do know these alliances uasually end in crusades.

Chellis is not attacking the vatican, but greatly supports anyone who does. Religion is the opium of the people, and should be wiped out. Chellis is 94% atheist, 99% atheist on the mainland(We have 5% of the population sirithilists, and not by choice...political reasons).

Chellis warns Quarka not to threaten people, as chellis too has many allies, but more like many 3 billion population allies. That being, of course, that chellis couldnt take most people in itself.

OOC:Yes, I am the one bombing vatican, but in unmarked planes, and they are not distinctly chellian. Also, its not godmodding, it was a surprise attack with Fighter-bomber equipped Rafales using bases from chellian algeria. It would be godmodding to know they were there, since chellis destroys any non chellian satelites that come over its territories. I gave ample time for him to do things, and he did say he prepared AA missiles. I am not worried about those because the Mica missile can intercept other enemy missiles, and we have plenty of them. Also, his stingers dont have enough height to hit my planes, they are 4.5 times higher than the stingers can reach.

Sorry, when I mentioned Chellis's bombardment that was supposed to be OOC.

Parthia is simply waiting for HSOC to declare a crusade, as we do know these alliances uasually end in crusades.

This is absurd.


You are a bunch of anti-religion idealists who take religion into politics.

Parthians. There is no crusade. I am sick of you. Try, just try, to make any more of a move. Chellis is out of its place with this as it is atheist and supporting you for DIFFERENT REASONS which, if you were a true catholic Parthians, would seem wrong to you.

Yet you are not a true Catholic, I seriously doubt your faith, and your nation is a small, wayward one. Go ahead and lean on your big allies like Chellis while you can. Yet I warn that a nation which is afraid to defend itself after making such brash moves is a weak, and immaturely led, nation.


You are still under our watch.

OOC: I'm going to bed and can't rejoin this until later Saturday.

For the last time I am not Catholic. I'm a Zoroastrian. And secondly all Catholic extremist alliances end in crusades, such as ones which destroyed the Ganzak fire temple (The holiest in the Tabriz region). And we will stay around and if HSOC declares a crusade or even condemns Zoroastrianism I'm going to invade.

Chellis is not an ally of partha, and condemns most of its actions. However, following the words of erasmus, "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"...

Of course, we have no actual plans to fight, so being friends with the parthians is no big deal. Really.

I suggest nations opposed to the Holy See ofCatholism creating an alliance leave him to recruit his friends. Nations opposed to Catholism did not attack me when I created the DotF (Catholic) alliance and it is hypocritcal of opposing nations to brand Crusades "evil". Islamic nations declare "Jihad" and atheist nations have a ongoing war against religion which to us is their "Crusade".

As for the demise of the Zoroastrian religion, it was destroyed very rapidly by the spread of Christianity and Islam. The best religions won.

Nations opposed to Catholism did not attack me when I created the DotF (Catholic) alliance and it is hypocritcal of opposing nations to brand Crusades "evil". Islamic nations declare "Jihad" and atheist nations have a ongoing war against religion which to us is their "Crusade".

As for the demise of the Zoroastrian religion, it was destroyed very rapidly by the spread of Christianity and Islam. The best religions won.

And what do Zoroastrians declare? If anything this is protecting our beliefs from crusades and Jihads.

And that second comment about your religion being better is false and very snobbish. Most Persian Zoroastrians were converted to Islam, not Christianity, and the conversion to Islam was usually done by forcing them at swordpoint and over the years Muslims killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of Zoroastrians for not accepting Islam. May I also remind you that Christianity stole countless beliefs from Zoroastriansim and that Jesus happens to be a copy of the old Pre-Zoroastrian Persian God Mithra?

Most atheists arent trying to destroy religion. Only militant ones. Like Dicator Raslin(Not actually named Raslin, its a title, they give up their real names when they assume power).

I'm tolerant of all religions except extremists.

"I guess god couldn't save the vatican!" Yelled one of the Rafale pilots in french, as the last rafale dropped its cluster bombs. Within seconds, the explosives started hitting the vatican. All the combined explosives in such a small area, for a minute the ground was black and red, with only fire and smoke. The Rafale pilots didnt need to stay to see what their achievement was. The city had been flattened. As the smoke cleared, it was evident to the pilots that no one probably survived. There were no visible buildings standing. The land was almost completely black or grey. Huge fires still claimed the area, with whatever was left to burn. The Rafales went to full power, and sped for Algeria.

Don't think that this deed will be forgotten, Chellis.

As is, I warned HSOC of impending attack as is, right before your fanatical Rafales began fire-bombing the Vatican. He probably evacuated long before your hunnic terror campaign, considering the advances of Parthians' fundamentalist Zoroastrians before. Your "pre-emptive strike," on the grounds that "all religious alliances" disolve into "crusades" anyway, is illegal, and preposterous. If anything, it's purpose was to defend Catholics rather than ignite fanaticism, against maniacs that seek to destroy religions that hold on to the "antiquated superstition" that there actually are absolutes.

Have a good day.

~Anithraldur

Celebrations took place throughout Parthia after the destruction of HSOC. Thousands took to the streets to cheer the anonymous heros who destroyed fundamentalism.

Don't think that this deed will be forgotten, Chellis.

As is, I warned HSOC of impending attack as is, right before your fanatical Rafales began fire-bombing the Vatican. He probably evacuated long before your hunnic terror campaign, considering the advances of Parthians' fundamentalist Zoroastrians before. Your "pre-emptive strike," on the grounds that "all religious alliances" disolve into "crusades" anyway, is illegal, and preposterous. If anything, it's purpose was to defend Catholics rather than ignite fanaticism, against maniacs that seek to destroy religions that hold on to the "antiquated superstition" that there actually are absolutes.

Have a good day.

~Anithraldur

Chellis doesnt know what Arizona Nova is babbling about. Chellis has just found out that anonymous Rafales have obliterated the vatican. We are happy that it was done, but it was not us, and we condemn AN for un-based claims that it was us.

OOC: It would be godmodding if he claimed it was all evacuated before I hit. The reason being you dont randomly evacuate cities, and my attack was a surprise one. Maybe the pope could have escaped, but in a time period of say five minutes, I doubt the people or artifacts would have made it out.

OOC: It would be godmodding if he claimed it was all evacuated before I hit. The reason being you dont randomly evacuate cities, and my attack was a surprise one. Maybe the pope could have escaped, but in a time period of say five minutes, I doubt the people or artifacts would have made it out.


This is such a hypocritical statement!!! "Surprise attack", HA!.


IT WAS GODMODDING AS YOU GAVE HSOC NO CHANCE TO RESPOND TO YOUR ATTACK. IN AN RP SUCH AS THIS YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ATTACK WHEN HE IS UNABLE TO EVEN RESPOND!

Our eyes are on you, Chellis. You are an extremist, rogue nation of fundamentalist atheists who have a crusade against religion they will not admit.

More we watch the Parthians. A nation with a crusade that hypocritically does not call it so. A religious war is such regardless of who leads it. Zoroastrianism included.

This is such a hypocritical statement!!! "Surprise attack", HA!.


IT WAS GODMODDING AS YOU GAVE HSOC NO CHANCE TO RESPOND TO YOUR ATTACK. IN AN RP SUCH AS THIS YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO ATTACK WHEN HE IS UNABLE TO EVEN RESPOND!

Our eyes are on you, Chellis. You are an extremist, rogue nation of fundamentalist atheists who have a crusade against religion they will not admit.

More we watch the Parthians. A nation with a crusade that hypocritically does not call it so. A religious war is such regardless of who leads it. Zoroastrianism included.

Wow, the little one feels it needs caps lock to feel big.

I said they were coming, and he responded by saying AA defenses were prepared. I then bombed him. I havnt posted his losses. Its not godmodding, as he did respond, by preparing AA defense.

12 chellian rafales were lost, 11 to friendly fire in some way or another, one ran out of Mica's and was hit by an enemy AA missile.

Wow, the little one feels it needs caps lock to feel big.

I said they were coming, and he responded by saying AA defenses were prepared. I then bombed him. I havnt posted his losses. Its not godmodding, as he did respond, by preparing AA defense.

12 chellian rafales were lost, 11 to friendly fire in some way or another, one ran out of Mica's and was hit by an enemy AA missile.

Wow, the wimp sits behind his computer and criticizes standard grammatical procedure for yelling, insecure with his incorrect logic.


You did godmod, Chellis, and you can act like some superior nation, but I am watching you, and you are not as impenetrable as you think.

Shah Khosru of Parthia would like to remind Quarka that this (now ended) war was one of defending the Zoroastrian faith, not assaulting Catholicism. We also wish to congratulate the brave, anonymous pilots for their daring assault on the Catholic fanatics. We also give our thanks to the brave nation who supported this raid.

-OOC-

Actually, there's plenty of wiggle room in that.

Granted, it seems like adding the losses that late seems like an afterthought, but as a neutral party, I see no problems.

^_^

Shah Khosru of Parthia would like to remind Quarka that this (now ended) war was one of defending the Zoroastrian faith, not assaulting Catholicism. We also wish to congratulate the brave, anonymous pilots for their daring assault on the Catholic fanatics. We also give our thanks to the brave nation who supported this raid.

So claim the Islamo-terrorists who cowardly kill with swords while shouting "Allah is great!".

"Defense" against what? Pre-emptive defense. Unnecessary it was. Parthians, you keep talking. You aren't helping yourself in the eyes of the leaders of the Quarkan Military.

The war is over, the quarrel is done. We have nothing more to say.

The war is over, the quarrel is done. We have nothing more to say.


You can say that all you want. Now that you realize your faults in expressing your illogical explanation for what you did to me, you are backing off.

Perhaps a smart move. You, as Chellis is now, will be under the constant watch of Quarka. You have been warned.

I am backing off because the war is over, the extremists were destroyed.

First of all, you have no right to speak on behalf all catholics. A majority of socialist/communist nations on NS do support religions and what not. It is a civil right that is allowed to the people. The fact that you you say that there can be no communist catholic is a lie, because I am one.

Premir Jindal
I agree. I think this vatican dude is threat to all socialist everywhere.
Wonder if I should attack him.

Chellis is not attacking the vatican, but greatly supports anyone who does. Religion is the opium of the people, and should be wiped out. Chellis is 94% atheist, 99% atheist on the mainland(We have 5% of the population sirithilists, and not by choice...political reasons).

Chellis warns Quarka not to threaten people, as chellis too has many allies, but more like many 3 billion population allies. That being, of course, that chellis couldnt take most people in itself.

OOC:Yes, I am the one bombing vatican, but in unmarked planes, and they are not distinctly chellian. Also, its not godmodding, it was a surprise attack with Fighter-bomber equipped Rafales using bases from chellian algeria. It would be godmodding to know they were there, since chellis destroys any non chellian satelites that come over its territories. I gave ample time for him to do things, and he did say he prepared AA missiles. I am not worried about those because the Mica missile can intercept other enemy missiles, and we have plenty of them. Also, his stingers dont have enough height to hit my planes, they are 4.5 times higher than the stingers can reach.

But you just bombed them, and now you say you are not attacking them. :eek:

But you just bombed them, and now you say you are not attacking them. :eek:

We didnt bomb the vatican. What, are you accusing us of something when you have no basis? I would think your gods would give you more common sense.

And what do Zoroastrians declare? If anything this is protecting our beliefs from crusades and Jihads.

And that second comment about your religion being better is false and very snobbish. Most Persian Zoroastrians were converted to Islam, not Christianity, and the conversion to Islam was usually done by forcing them at swordpoint and over the years Muslims killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of Zoroastrians for not accepting Islam. May I also remind you that Christianity stole countless beliefs from Zoroastriansim and that Jesus happens to be a copy of the old Pre-Zoroastrian Persian God Mithra?

So you're saying Zoroastrians were NOT being converted because the Kings of Persia said so and anyone else can be persecuted? Some Kings of Persia did tolerate other religions (eg Cyrus) but afterwards the last Kings were far less liberal. The wars with Rome and it's successor empire the Byzantines effectively destroyed the last glories of non-Islamic Persia, only to be overrun by Islam.

All religions copied from each other and Persia copied from Babylon, Assyria and Egypt. There's always remnants of older religions in new religions.

The Sassanid kings were the only ones to force Zoroastrianism on their subjects. And often the Sassanid kings tolerated Christians such as the Armenians.

And secondly, Rome and Byzantium did little damage to the Zoroastrian faith or Persia. Byzantum did sack the holiest fire temple in Tabriz at Ganzak and came to the gates of Ctesiphon causing a rebellion against Shah Khosru II but the Persians sacked Jerusalem and carried off the true cross and besieged Constantinople. All Byzantium did was weaken the Persian military and tire the Persians of war so they became an easy target for Arabs.

The Sassanid kings were the only ones to force Zoroastrianism on their subjects. And often the Sassanid kings tolerated Christians such as the Armenians.

And secondly, Rome and Byzantium did little damage to the Zoroastrian faith or Persia. Byzantum did sack the holiest fire temple in Tabriz at Ganzak and came to the gates of Ctesiphon causing a rebellion against Shah Khosru II but the Persians sacked Jerusalem and carried off the true cross and besieged Constantinople. All Byzantium did was weaken the Persian military and tire the Persians of war so they became an easy target for Arabs.

True, but Jerusalem was originally Salem is in the old Testament around 2000 BC when the Holy Prophet Abraham was around. Our capital city has been sacked so many times, but it was still the capital of the various forms of the enslaved Jewish state under different empires. As a city, it is a miracle it is still there due to it's reverence to the religions of Christianity, Judaism and Islam.

The great cities of Persia are mostly ruins apart from a few strategic ones. There was effectively two Persian empires - classic pre-Alexander (the ones who the Greeks hated) and Parthian Persia (the ones who the Romans fought). Iraq is still Persian but Islamic.

Rome and Byzantium effectively stopped Persia possession of the West after Alexander the Great trashed the first empire. The Christian (Catholic) Rome is the 3rd Rome in a way.

God bless

OOC

Love to visit Babylon but not yet ...

After all that has happened, I will make note of a number of things,

Firstly, the Pope is not dead. He was escorted in a supply helicopter (in secret) to the waiting Luftsgerd fleet and onto a secret, and secure, location.

Secondly, in destroying the Vatican you has killed numrous tourists, including a group of students from America, many nuns, monks, priests, deacons, and some of the finest art of the Renaissance, Middle Ages, and other periods. You have also destroyed the middle of Rome, the Vatican Library, the Leonine Wall, aand St. Peter's.

Thirdly, you forget that this is a religion, not a nation that you have attacked. You cannot destroy it in one fell swoop. Nero, heretics, barbarians, protestants, and now you have tried. None succeeded. Neither will you.

- Yours in Christ,
THSOC

Unless I missed something, our fleet is still in the waters surrounding Italy. After having two hundred of our finest young men destroyed in an unprovoked attack by Chellis, we declare war on Chellis. Our navy and marines will destroy any naval ships or airplanes from the stated party that come near the Islands of Luftsgerden. And I also would like to ask how the Chellisean planes came past our Combat air patrol?

- Luftsgerden Minister of War

ooc:Yes, it is true that Jerusalem still stands, unlike Persepolis and Ctesiphon. But as you said it only stands because of three religions respect for the city. Persepolis and Ctesiphon were political capitals without the religious significance. Zoroastrian holy places still stand today, shrines still function, our Fire-Temples still hold the sacred flame. Even in the face of total pursecution by Islam we have kept our religion alive. Though Christians endured 300 years of pursecution, Zoroastrians have endured 1400 years.
Oh and need I mention that Persia won key victories under Shapour against Valerian and under Khosru II against Phocas. Not to mention the victories against Jovian and the battle of Carrae (Parthian horse archers trounced Roman legions). Though Persians almost sacked Constantinple and ravaged Anatolia and Egypt, Byzantines and Romans never attacked the Persian heartland, they only attacked Iraq.

Shah Khosru is displeased by the destruction of antiquities, they would have been great additions to his massive vault of treasure.

ooc:I left all but 5000 immortals in the port of New Persepolis in Egypt. They were to be flown in by Pave Low and Blackhawk helicopters escorted by Super Cobras and F-18s.

If the Black Hawk can carry 11 men, that would be 455 craft. Also, it only has a range of 320 miles. It is about 900 between the Vatican and Alexandria, Egypt.

If the Black Hawk can carry 11 men, that would be 455 craft. Also, it only has a range of 320 miles. It is about 900 between the Vatican and Alexandria, Egypt.


There were also PAVE-LOWS and a fleet moved them into the Ligurian Sea, they left though after the bombing.

Luftsgerden again asks Chellis how it got past the Luftsgerd fleet, which was in the area between Cagliari, Rome, and Naples. If an Answer is not given, it will be treated as a godmod and will be ignored.

If Chellis does not reply on how it got past our fleet by 2:00 Central time, his posts will be ignored.

Due to Chellis's lack of response, its claim to bombing the Vatican has been ignored. We suggest others due the same.

Due to Chellis's lack of response, its claim to bombing the Vatican has been ignored. We suggest others due the same.

((OOC: How can you penalize someone for not being on? That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. At least give him time to respond.))

((OOC: How can you penalize someone for not being on? That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. At least give him time to respond.))

He was on. We will give him time. But he did bomb the vatican when neither THSOC or myself was on.

He was on. We will give him time. But he did bomb the vatican when neither THSOC or myself was on.

((OOC: Alright, as long as you are being reasonable about it.))

Luftsgerden again asks Chellis how it got past the Luftsgerd fleet, which was in the area between Cagliari, Rome, and Naples. If an Answer is not given, it will be treated as a godmod and will be ignored.

OOC: Ok, first off you idiot, I didnt see this at first. Jesus almighty.

Second, your fleet was either in international waters or Verbotten luftwaffe waters(southern italy waters). If you were in VL's waters, he would have sunk your ships, so you're godmodding if they were there.

If they were in international waters, you would be godmodding if you shot at my planes, because they did nothing to provoke it. The only reason you would have shot is because you knew my purpose, and that was OOC info.

My ships noted where yours were after we bombed the vatican, and we proceeded down italy, and then headed for algeria. HSoC said that he prepared AA defenses, so that was his response. I gave him a chance and he used it for that.

If you declare war on chellis, im ignoring you for godmodding, as you dont know it was chellis. Thats using OOC knowledge for IC reasons.

Jesus some people are idiots.

.:OOC:.
*looks at the moronic turn this thread has taken.*

*looks at 4-star rating*

*becomes confused*

Lets just get back on topic, people. If you lot of children want to bicker and gripe about who is where and who godmoded, take it somewhere else. This thread is about creating an alliance to defend Catholics nswide from religiously/secularly motivated maniacs with an axe to grind.

*Chellis added to The Watchlist*
The AN"I" IS UPON YOU
http://anikari.zioncreation.com/ani.gif

OOC: You don't even know Chellis did it. It was a secret strike.

The eyes of the ANI are not blind.

Parthia hopes that you aren't too mad about the destruction of the Holy See... It was not us, we don't destroy things of historical value.

Why are you so focused on Christianity the theory as opposed to Christianity the practice? Shouldn't you try to uplift the religion by example rather than by ignoring other religion? That is what the TCA does and I believe that is what will work in the end. However that is your choice perhaps at a later date you will realize there are better ways to achieve the same end.

.:OOC:.
*looks at the moronic turn this thread has taken.*

*looks at 4-star rating*

*becomes confused*

Lets just get back on topic, people. If you lot of children want to bicker and gripe about who is where and who godmoded, take it somewhere else. This thread is about creating an alliance to defend Catholics nswide from religiously/secularly motivated maniacs with an axe to grind.

*Chellis added to The Watchlist*
The AN"I" IS UPON YOU
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Chellis is cutting all economical ties and political ties with Arizona nova, and is currently influencing 3rd party companies of other nations not to trade with AN as well, with threats of being cut off from vital chellian trade. The list of trade cut off is increasing by the minute, AN. The market will be more competitive and you will pay larger prices. If you want to pay the price for wrongly accusing the strongest nation in the world, so be it.

Chellis is cutting all economical ties and political ties with Arizona nova, and is currently influencing 3rd party companies of other nations not to trade with AN as well, with threats of being cut off from vital chellian trade. The list of trade cut off is increasing by the minute, AN. The market will be more competitive and you will pay larger prices. If you want to pay the price for wrongly accusing the strongest nation in the world, so be it.

Parthia too, cuts trade with Arizona Nova and their fanatical population.

Chellis is cutting all economical ties and political ties with Arizona nova, and is currently influencing 3rd party companies of other nations not to trade with AN as well, with threats of being cut off from vital chellian trade. The list of trade cut off is increasing by the minute, AN. The market will be more competitive and you will pay larger prices. If you want to pay the price for wrongly accusing the strongest nation in the world, so be it.

Thank the Lord! Like we had trade or relations of any type before, however. It's not like I am bereft of friends and allies as is; if you and a bunch of anti-Catholic fanatics want to stop trading and having political ties with me, fine, in fact, I'm all the better for it. This way my people don't have to be influenced by the poisonous anti-Catholic invectives you harbor on a day to day basis. So yes, cut whatever trade you were talking about, we don't want it, we don't need it! Besides, a rather extreme reaction for just being reminded that you're being watched closely. Or perhaps you don't want to be watched, and have your atrocities publicized? John 3:19-20: "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."

Parthia too, cuts trade with Arizona Nova and their fanatical population.

To use the cliche, "the pot calling the kettle black." Right. My population, though I usually don't speak for them, doesn't want to raze the Vatican, or the Dome of the Rock, or Buddha shrines, because some religious wacko from centuries ago smashed up one of their churches. And, same as above when finding trade is cut. Arizona Nova rarely trades with extremist nations anyway.

As is, I do not unilaterally side with Catholics anyway. There was one time when a nation from the Defenders of the Faith alliance developed orbital weapons and targeted secular nations. I threatened to mount a counterattack if he used it unfairly. Arizona Nova stands for fairness and justice; we do not tolerate raving fanatics and lunatics. Have a good day.
~Anithraldur

Esox Maximus is in full agreement with Arizona Nova, and offers our aid such as it is. Though we are not a large or powerful nation, we shall do what we can.

Thank the Lord! Like we had trade or relations of any type before, however. It's not like I am bereft of friends and allies as is; if you and a bunch of anti-Catholic fanatics want to stop trading and having political ties with me, fine, in fact, I'm all the better for it. This way my people don't have to be influenced by the poisonous anti-Catholic invectives you harbor on a day to day basis. So yes, cut whatever trade you were talking about, we don't want it, we don't need it! Besides, a rather extreme reaction for just being reminded that you're being watched closely. Or perhaps you don't want to be watched, and have your atrocities publicized? John 3:19-20: "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."



To use the cliche, "the pot calling the kettle black." Right. My population, though I usually don't speak for them, doesn't want to raze the Vatican, or the Dome of the Rock, or Buddha shrines, because some religious wacko from centuries ago smashed up one of their churches. And, same as above when finding trade is cut. Arizona Nova rarely trades with extremist nations anyway.

As is, I do not unilaterally side with Catholics anyway. There was one time when a nation from the Defenders of the Faith alliance developed orbital weapons and targeted secular nations. I threatened to mount a counterattack if he used it unfairly. Arizona Nova stands for fairness and justice; we do not tolerate raving fanatics and lunatics. Have a good day.
~Anithraldur

You say fairness, but you accuse us of things that we didnt do, with no proof. You talk of justice, but you accuse us of guilt without any reasonable evidence. You just cover your bad arguments and fanatical finger pointing with religion overalls!

As is, we never had trade or political ties to begin with; you cannot cut what isn't there. If you assume that my nation's business is interconnected with all the rest of NS, then losing your trade and that of some of your cronies barely affects me at all, if I have trade with all NS. Toothless threat.

Even if I don't have "concrete proof," (IC) the circumstances surrounding the Vatican terror bombing are very suspicious. Witnesses report unidentified aircraft flew in from the direction of Algeria. They came without warning, and were armed to the teeth. Conventional detection systems were not able to detect them. They leveled the Vatican with high-powered weaponry, and only lost a fraction of their force. They then went back in the direction of Chellis-occupied Algeria. If these planes are not Chellisian, then whose are they? What terrorist group could afford to field such aircraft, and train the pilots? The only place this massive air armada could come from is a powerful, advanced nation, even if the government allegedly had nothing to do with them. Chellis's threat to cut trade, especially after the ANI decided to watch their actions very carefully from now on, only besmirches a guilty conscience all the more.

To note: I shall soon switch to my MT nation, Kerith Ravine, to deal with this situation.

Even if I don't have "concrete proof," (IC) the circumstances surrounding the Vatican terror bombing are very suspicious.

Suspicious, quite possibly. Leading towards chellis, no.

Witnesses report unidentified aircraft flew in from the direction of Algeria.

Chellis wonders where this was heard. No chellians have said that, I am well aware(closed media in chellis), as far as I heard, they were only seen by one fishing boat off the south of sardinia, and then by the romans. Very possible that they could have come from anywhere, reached the south of sardinia, than bombed the vatican. Our reports say they traveled down the south of italy, than disappeared. We have not detected them.

They came without warning, and were armed to the teeth.

This is not a lone quality of chellis, is it?

Conventional detection systems were not able to detect them. They leveled the Vatican with high-powered weaponry, and only lost a fraction of their force.

Quality is not only chellian.

They then went back in the direction of Chellis-occupied Algeria.

Again, we heard they went down the leg of italy, then disappeared. I would think them going back to libya or egypt would make more sense there.

If these planes are not Chellisian, then whose are they?

We are not all seeing, but they werent chellian.

What terrorist group could afford to field such aircraft, and train the pilots?

Who says they are terrorists? It could be any nation that wants to do the right thing.

The only place this massive air armada could come from is a powerful, advanced nation, even if the government allegedly had nothing to do with them.

And chellis is not the only air power capable of fielding 450 fighter jets.

Chellis's threat to cut trade, especially after the ANI decided to watch their actions very carefully from now on, only besmirches a guilty conscience all the more.

Our cutting trade with you is because you constantly say bad things about our nation that are completely untrue.

To use the cliche, "the pot calling the kettle black." Right. My population, though I usually don't speak for them, doesn't want to raze the Vatican, or the Dome of the Rock, or Buddha shrines, because some religious wacko from centuries ago smashed up one of their churches. And, same as above when finding trade is cut. Arizona Nova rarely trades with extremist nations anyway.

~Anithraldur

First of all it was a Fire Temple, not a church. Secondly we do not have anything against the teachings of Buddha. Though we follow the teachings of the Avesta, we still respect the religions of the East. We do not like your Christianity or the similar brand of Islam. Nations like yours are fanatical and supportive of the great destroyers of peace.

Thirdly we ae not extremists, alliances led by extremist religions are extremsist.

Ok. Firstly, 200 of our finest have just been bombed to pieces. Who it is is "secret." Along with them went many other non-coms (civilians.) Our questions are: Who is VL? I have never heard of him and to my knowledge he hasn't participated in the forum. Also, Chellis (who we, of course, "don't know" did it) had no provacation to bombing the Vatican. It is my feeling that he is declaring a Crusade of his own. Also, as THSOC has stated, Catholicism is a religion. You can't kill it with bombs. And even if you did kill the pope, which you didn't, another would just be elected by the college of cardinals.

And our fleet was in the waters of the Papal Legate states of THSOC.

Catholicism is a religion. You can't kill it with bombs.

-OOC-
Sure you can. You just have to blow up EVERY Catholic.

Ok. Firstly, 200 of our finest have just been bombed to pieces. Who it is is "secret." Along with them went many other non-coms (civilians.) Our questions are: Who is VL? I have never heard of him and to my knowledge he hasn't participated in the forum. Also, Chellis (who we, of course, "don't know" did it) had no provacation to bombing the Vatican. It is my feeling that he is declaring a Crusade of his own. Also, as THSOC has stated, Catholicism is a religion. You can't kill it with bombs. And even if you did kill the pope, which you didn't, another would just be elected by the college of cardinals.

And our fleet was in the waters of the Papal Legate states of THSOC.


OOC: Verbotten Luftwaffe owns southern italy, and does participate on the forums. Take it up with him.

I bombed it because it had many prominent catholics, and catholic buildings, etc. I and chellis in general dislike religion, and wanted to deal them a blow, even if not a fatal one.

I will join the alliance. I howeva cannot leave my region. So therefore i pledge my military and economic support from my long range staging.

ooc:soz u guys havent been around

STOP IT! Forget the whole NationStates pope! There already is a Pope. He's in Rome. His name is John Paul II.

The only thing that having a NS pope has done is confuse everybody. Either the "pope" is a crazy right-winger, whose hell bent on eradicating everybody that doesn't believe in catholicism, or he's a crazy left-winger, who thinks that no part of Catholicism can't be changed, or any number of "popes" in between!

Get over yourselves. There is no NS pope, because any NS pope would be an Anti-pope.

Use the RL pope as your pope, and everything will be clear! If you want a catholic alliance, fine! I'm all for it, and would like to join! But all this nonsense of "I'm the pope", "No, I'm the pope!" is absolutely ridiculous!

As far as saying what types of countries can join a Catholic Alliance--be careful! As anyone who has played this game realizes, your nations "type" can change from day to day! If you start expelling every socialist, communist, etc. then there will be no one left.

I'm sick of this.

Holy Emperor Pio Magnus,
Protector of the Innocent,
Arbiter of Peace,
Knight of Christ,
Defender of "The Papacy"

ever here of the defender of the Faith alliance?

No, please share.

((OOC: Didn't Chellis and The Parthians completely destroy the Vatican, and thus this alliance?))

((OOC: Didn't Chellis and The Parthians completely destroy the Vatican, and thus this alliance?))

((OOC: Shouldn't you and your theophobe cronies just bugger off and go sack a n00b somewhere?

In all sersiousness, though, #1, you can't destroy an alliance by leveling a location and all the innocents contained therein, an alliance is an idea and occupies no real physical space. Chellis & crew can pillage and plunder, but he can't kill ideas. #2, DotF was around before HolySee began his alliance as is, in fact I suggested that HolySee throw in his lot with DotF instead of start a new alliance earlier. DotF is, as far as I know, alive and kicking and not suffering from the hands of neo-Huns.))

((OOC: Shouldn't you and your dei-phobe cronies just bugger off and go sack a n00b somewhere?))

((OOC: There's no need to be rude, and yes, I am positive that the Vatican was destroyed.))

((OOC: There's no need to be rude, and yes, I am positive that the Vatican was destroyed.))

((OOC: Post edited, re-check it. In our country, it is considered rude to fire-bomb someone because he seeks allies.))

((OOC: Post edited, re-check it. In our country, it is considered rude to fire-bomb someone because he seeks allies.))

((OOC: Ahh. Most enlightening. Never mind then. It was funny when it happened though.))