West Africans demonstrate against Communist Mississippi
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 06:01
Federation News Network report:
In response to events taking place in North Africa, over 600,000 activists marched through the streets of Freetown, Conakry, and various provincial cities in the interior in what is thought to be the largest peaceful political demonstration to date in the Federation. Organizers say the marches are in response to Communist Mississippi's takeover and forced colonization of the north African state of Libya.
The demonstrations, organized by activists from the African Socialist Party, the Islamic Rally for Peace and Freedom, the Social Democratic Party and the Student League among many others, are meant to draw increased international attention to imperialism on the African continent and Communist Mississippi's atrocities in Libya in particular. For this reason, many of the rallies took place near and around districts housing a large number of diplomats and embassies. Rally organizers charge that the international community's reaction to the carving up of Africa among various Western powers has been far too muted. Demonstrators included both Christians, members of the Federation's Muslim minority, and practicers of traditional faiths.
Though FNN media access to the area is restricted or nonexistant, reports from anonymous sources in the region have accused Mississippian forces of forcing local Arab farmers off their land and lynching political dissidents.
The Federation has had a history of hostility with Communist Mississippi, a collectivist nation from the former United States of America controlled by white supremacists, after an aborted military intervention sparked by nationalization of the mining industry left hundreds dead.
The Burnsian Desert
20-07-2004, 06:03
OOC:
mmmmm... .:TAG:.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 06:05
(occ follow where I'm going :) )
Alfred Ford, the ambassador from CM to UWA was sitting under his desk in the embassy in Conakry. He was worried that the blacks would rush the embassy and kill everybody inside. All non-essential personnel were due to be evacuated shortly. There were 2 marine companies (240 men) at the embassy to guard it, but the entire city seemed to be marching against them. They were worried, very worried.
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 06:06
Persian workers at the Parthian embassy began to prepare for evacuation as a stream of Islamic demonstators could turn on all allied embassies.
Roach-Busters
20-07-2004, 06:07
Although we sympathize with the West Africans' plight, CM is a nation with which he have diplomatic relations, thus we will not intervene. Should conflict break out, you are both more than welcome to send diplomats to RB to negotiate the matter peacefully.
Generic empire
20-07-2004, 06:14
Generia feels that it is high time some group spoke out against this disgusting Imperialist expansion. We wish you luck in your protest.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 06:42
The news reveals scenes in CM of whites venting their anger against UWA on CM blacks. There are whites riding through the black shantytowns in cars shooting shotguns out the windows into their shacks. Also a white mob lynching 1/2 dozen reporters from UWA. There were 24 tourists from UWA visiting black relatives in CM and 18 were shot, of those 12 are dead, 6 were wounded but refused admittance to the hospitals (Blacks aren't allowed into hospitals). The other 6 were beaten senseless. The TV shows footage of a mob of about 40 whites kicking and beating 6 blacks. One of the blacks was thrown into the side of a car, another beat with a club. Police have refused to respond to calls of assistance from the blacks. A police chief was quoted as saying to the black community leaders, "You got yourselves into this mess, you get yourselves out."
The TV continues to show scenes of about 10,000 blacks marching towards Jackson City with signs reading, "Equal Rights for All." "I Am a Man."
The next scenes show white police siccing attack dogs on them, and fire fighters spraying them with high-pressured water cannons.
The police chief yelled into a bullhorn, "Leave this area immediately."
He waited about 20 seconds, the blacks began to scream and shout "Go to hell, Fascist."
The police leveled their guns and opened fire. The blacks immediately scattered. The police had killed approximately 512 and wounded 2,157.
Police have appointed an objective independent commission to investigate the shooting incident. After 12 minutes of debate, the commission disbanded after the leader went on the record as saying, "We have better things to do than fuss over dead nig--s, I'm going home, I'm already late for dinner."
Roach-Busters
20-07-2004, 06:44
The news reveals scenes in CM of whites venting their anger against UWA on CM blacks. There are whites riding through the black shantytowns in cars shooting shotguns out the windows into their shacks. Also a white mob lynching 1/2 dozen reporters from UWA. There were 24 tourists from UWA visiting black relatives in CM and 18 were shot, of those 12 are dead, 6 were wounded but refused admittance to the hospitals (Blacks aren't allowed into hospitals). The other 6 were beaten senseless. The TV shows footage of a mob of about 40 whites kicking and beating 6 blacks. One of the blacks was thrown into the side of a car, another beat with a club. Police have refused to respond to calls of assistance from the blacks. A police chief was quoted as saying to the black community leaders, "You got yourselves into this mess, you get yourselves out."
We join our staunch ally, Generic empire, in denouncing this inhumane lawlessness.
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 06:44
Conakry:
By and large, the protests were going well. 200,000 people marched down the main thoroughfare. In a region that had seen years of brutal intertribal bloodletting and civil war, it was a remarkable demonstration of unity. Middle-class students in pressed white shirts joined trade unionists, shopkeepers, priests, ministers, and clerics. Red flags intermingled freely amidst green ones, with even a handful of red and green banners symbolizing the Islamic Rally for Peace and Freedom's left wing. The march had remained peaceful for the most part. Members of the government, the city police, the army.. well, it would be hard to find anyone in the country who supported CM's policies, but in those echelons one's chances were virtually nil. Demonstrators were even greeted with cheers and raised fists, now universal hand symbols in the country of anti-imperialist defiance, by policemen and even Edolian soldiers in the newly built military base.
But not everyone had adapted perfectly to the newly formed political culture of nonviolence and dialogue. Political bloodshed was so deeply ingrained from decades of constant civil war that perhaps it would never see an end.
As the tail end of the march approached the diplomatic district, known as embassy row, events went into motion at blistering speed. First, a dull 'thoom, thoom' in the distance. Almost a second later, the Communist Mississipi embassy compound was rocked by explosions from two 80 mm mortars. Whoever had fired had hoped that short barage would take out a good number of troops bunched together outside (it was, after all, a rather small compound), for moments later the assault began in earnest.. but not before a shell landed directly on the wrought iron gate, busting it wide open.
400 masked youths with rifles and pistols in hand burst through the entrance, trading fire with embassy guardsman. From among the masked horde came a voice from whom appeared to be the leader of the group, a tall lanky man with a bandana over his face. "No needless killing! Shoot the guards if they shoot back, but take anyone prisoner who surrenders!"
Whittier
20-07-2004, 06:46
Whittier formally condemns this genocide against blacks and muslims by the govenrment of Communist Mississippi.
Whittier condemns CM actions in Libya.
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 06:47
OOC: The UWA militants were responding to events in CM against their black population, if that wasn't clear. To explain the time difference.. i.e. how would they organize an attack that fast, it's assumed that the rally in UWA was a three-day one.
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 06:49
Parthian forces have fled their embassy in a Pave Low helicopter and are headed for Libya.
Let it be known that if you do not free the CM diplomats and citizens you will have a Persian fleet at your doorstep.
Roach-Busters
20-07-2004, 06:50
Whittier formally condemns this genocide against blacks and muslims by the govenrment of Communist Mississippi.
Whittier condemns CM actions in Libya.
That's two of my allies so far that oppose you, CM. If one more nation- ally or not- does the same, consider diplomatic relations severed. Moreover, we are strongly considering imposing an arms embargo and economic and trade sanctions against your nation.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 06:52
In response to the attacks against the CM embassy, the CM government prepared to retake the embassy by using 5 Parachute Division, 5 Rapid Reponse Airmobile Divisions, 25 Regular Army Infantry Divisions, 5 Republican Guard Armored Divisions, 5 Republican Mechanized Divisions, and 20 Reserve Divisions. (A total of 1,170,000 men and many thousands of tanks) Also to be used would be 10,000 various fixed wing aircraft. But first CM would attempt to use diplomacy, but if that failed, the army forces were standing by.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 06:53
That's two of my allies so far that oppose you, CM. If one more nation- ally or not- does the same, consider diplomatic relations severed. Moreover, we are strongly considering imposing an arms embargo and economic and trade sanctions against your nation.
We produce all of our own weapons.
BLARGistania
20-07-2004, 06:53
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Whittier
20-07-2004, 06:55
In response to the attacks against the CM embassy, the CM government prepared to retake the embassy by using 5 Parachute Division, 5 Rapid Reponse Airmobile Divisions, 25 Regular Army Infantry Divisions, 5 Republican Guard Armored Divisions, 5 Republican Mechanized Divisions, and 20 Reserve Divisions. (A total of 1,170,000 men and many thousands of tanks) Also to be used would be 10,000 various fixed wing aircraft. But first CM would attempt to use diplomacy, but if that failed, the army forces were standing by.
Send them in, and there will be bad consequences for you militarily.
Roach-Busters
20-07-2004, 06:55
We produce all of our own weapons.
(Slaps forehead) Oh. Well, the trade and economic sanctions and end of relations will still happen, though, if you don't cease this genocidal nonsense.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 06:56
Conakry:
By and large, the protests were going well. 200,000 people marched down the main thoroughfare. In a region that had seen years of brutal intertribal bloodletting and civil war, it was a remarkable demonstration of unity. Middle-class students in pressed white shirts joined trade unionists, shopkeepers, priests, ministers, and clerics. Red flags intermingled freely amidst green ones, with even a handful of red and green banners symbolizing the Islamic Rally for Peace and Freedom's left wing. The march had remained peaceful for the most part. Members of the government, the city police, the army.. well, it would be hard to find anyone in the country who supported CM's policies, but in those echelons one's chances were virtually nil. Demonstrators were even greeted with cheers and raised fists, now universal hand symbols in the country of anti-imperialist defiance, by policemen and even Edolian soldiers in the newly built military base.
But not everyone had adapted perfectly to the newly formed political culture of nonviolence and dialogue. Political bloodshed was so deeply ingrained from decades of constant civil war that perhaps it would never see an end.
As the tail end of the march approached the diplomatic district, known as embassy row, events went into motion at blistering speed. First, a dull 'thoom, thoom' in the distance. Almost a second later, the Communist Mississipi embassy compound was rocked by explosions from two 80 mm mortars. Whoever had fired had hoped that short barage would take out a good number of troops bunched together outside (it was, after all, a rather small compound), for moments later the assault began in earnest.. but not before a shell landed directly on the wrought iron gate, busting it wide open.
400 masked youths with rifles and pistols in hand burst through the entrance, trading fire with embassy guardsman. From among the masked horde came a voice from whom appeared to be the leader of the group, a tall lanky man with a bandana over his face. "No needless killing! Shoot the guards if they shoot back, but take anyone prisoner who surrenders!"
Question how could 400 militia take out 240 marines.
In the mid 1990s in Sierra Leon 100 white mercenaries from "Executive Outcomes" were able to destroy the 17,000 strong rebel army in a few months of fighting. The Sierra Leone government and their army were unable to do it, so they called in white mercenaries from South Africa. (Well there were some black mercenaries also, but I think the large number were whites).
The avg "masked youth" is on Khat (Leaf cocaine that you chew) and cannot shoot worth a damn as it is without the drugs. They have no body armor, no night vision, no NBC gear. The embassy guards all wear body armor with ceramic plates that can stop an AK round, an M-16 round, or a 308 round.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 06:59
The 240 marines inside the embassy manned their secret weapons (the embassy was more of a fortress than an embassy) each corner had a 20mm minigun concealed in it, they were now uncovered and put to good use. The soldiers manned the concrete walls of the compound, many had taken shelter in the concrete bunkers inside the compound, but 12 had not made it to cover in time and were killed by mortar fire. There was a scout/sniper team on the roof of the building and the sniper picked off the mortar crews. He was deadly accurate. He continued to fire at anybody who seemed to be a leader or was carrying a special weapon.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 06:59
Send them in, and there will be bad consequences for you militarily.
Occ- Just a bluff, I won't send in troops.
Whittier
20-07-2004, 07:01
Occ- Just a bluff, I won't send in troops.
You better not.
IC: Troops in Whittier prepare for possible emergency deployment to Africa in case CM makes good on their threat.
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 07:03
Three Parthian Pave lows flew towards the Embassy of CM. They opened fire on the crowd with their miniguns before the first touched down to pick up the CM diplomats and staff. The other two circled around and strafed the crowd.
Roach-Busters
20-07-2004, 07:04
You better not.
IC: Troops in Whittier prepare for possible emergency deployment to Africa in case CM makes good on their threat.
If Whittier sends troops, RB sends troops. We owe them for helping us win our civil war...'sides, what're friends for?
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 07:14
ooc: CM, get on the pave lows,
If the situation escalates further, we shall support United West Africa, militarily if need be.
Secret IC: To UWA- We would like to offer military equipment, consisting of aircraft, tanks and artillery to your nation to ensure that it remains secure against foreign imperialism.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:21
As the CM ambassador stepped out of his office, some marines lowered the flag, folded it and handed it to him. He then rushed to a helicopter, as did the marines, who fired rifles as they fell back. They set the miniguns to auto-fire against anything moving outside the embassy. The embassy had been mined and booby traps were set all around, there was also a general self destruct, if the CM government wanted to, the entire compound would go up because they had rigged over 50,000 lbs of C4 all throughout the 3 acre compound.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:24
If the situation escalates further, we shall support United West Africa, militarily if need be.
Secret IC: To UWA- We would like to offer military equipment, consisting of aircraft, tanks and artillery to your nation to ensure that it remains secure against foreign imperialism.
See the thing is that africans and arabs don't know how to use range finding equipment, radar, or night vision. USSR spent 30 years trying to teach egyptians to use SA-2s and SA-1s, and MiG-21s. Eventually egypt just asked USSR to bring in their own AA and SAM crews and take over air defenses for Egypt. The Angolan rebels would fire 40 rounds per minute through their mortars and then boom, the next round would explode. You can't just dump equipment on a third world nation and expect anything.
The egyptian air force doesn't train to use radar because they recognize the pilots don't like it. Despite having almost 200 F-16s, the Egyptian air force basically is worthless.
The Egyptians and Iraqis also performed poorly in armored warfare because they didn't use night vision because they didn't understand it. The 3rd world people's rarely get the full benefit from their equipment because they don't understand it. And note all Egyptian pilots are college graduates and many have degrees in electronics and engineering.
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 07:25
Parthian pilots pulled the Pave Low off the embassy helipad and flew off towards Libya, the second touched down with the other supporting to pick up more men and then supported a third one picking up every last man in the CM embassy.
Several marine and airborne divisions have been placed on a higher level of readiness, and the 1st fleet is on standby...
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 07:27
OOC: I question the quality of marines, given that your economy is characterized as "basket case". Unless your people are starving and you have a North Korea like "army first" policy I question how you could support the huge amounts of troops you throw around.. and even then it would be logical that hte majority would be of poor quality. And if I remember correctly, the RUF was dispersed by British and UN troops, not a handful of white mercenaries, despite their participation. And besides, there's a difference between ideologically commited insurgents and bandit gangs.
IC: The battle for the embassy was quickly becoming a bloody one. The storming insurgents took dozens of casualties from the 20mm assault guns, but the response was equally quick and brutal. Suspecting the Mississippians had heavy weapons lieing around somewhere the insurgents had packed a handful of RPGs along for the ride. Three rockets streaked towards the guns before several of the rocket carriers were taken down by rooftop snipers.
In the meantime the military and police had responded just in time to see Parthian helicopters bearing down. Soldiers and policemen attempted to flag them down and make contact with their crews.. only to see the miniguns open up, cutting several of them and dozens of peaceful demonstrators fleeing the scene into gruesome piles of bone and flesh. The soldiers responded in kind, using the coaxial machine guns of the dozen or so jeeps at the scene to spray heavy armor piercing rounds at the low flying craft, along with RPGs. More significantly, one of the surviving men charged with manning the man-portable SAM took aim at the closest and let the surface to air missile fly.
Government Center, Freetown
Prime Minister Dubou was a wreck. The second major political-military crisis in a single year, and he wasn't even sure what was going on. Communication from Conakry was spotty at best even with the infrastructure improvements he had made a cornerstone of his administration, and reports were confused and sketchy. From what he could gather militants were attacking the Communist Mississippi embassy and unidentified gunships were clashing with military forces, but as to the specifics only he could guess. He sighed audibly.. this was supposed to be a great moment in West African history, a coming together of all peoples and all religions for the unity of the African continent, and now it was exploding into a bloodbath.
He made the necessary phone calls to do all that he could. Whoever was flying those foreign birds would be ordered to land and stand down or be shot down by military forces, who were likewise informed to take any crewman who aquiesced into temporary custody until whatever had happened could be sorted out. The embassy itself was a different matter. With the gunships overhead any hope of cooperation in beating the militants had passed, with Conakry soldiers fighting in the street for their lives. The only thing that could be done was to contact the embassy and tell them that the government was attempting to respond.
The Burnsian Desert
20-07-2004, 07:27
SECRET IC to West African... uh... rebels? Protesters? Militarial Correction Organization?:
We are willing to give you a nice heap of military equipment, simply place an order and it will arrive, free of charge. Just keep this deal quiet.
See the thing is that africans and arabs don't know how to use range finding equipment, radar, or night vision. USSR spent 30 years trying to teach egyptians to use SA-2s and SA-1s, and MiG-21s. Eventually egypt just asked USSR to bring in their own AA and SAM crews and take over air defenses for Egypt. The Angolan rebels would fire 40 rounds per minute through their mortars and then boom, the next round would explode. You can't just dump equipment on a third world nation and expect anything.
The egyptian air force doesn't train to use radar because they recognize the pilots don't like it. Despite having almost 200 F-16s, the Egyptian air force basically is worthless.
The Egyptians and Iraqis also performed poorly in armored warfare because they didn't use night vision because they didn't understand it. The 3rd world people's rarely get the full benefit from their equipment because they don't understand it. And note all Egyptian pilots are college graduates and many have degrees in electronics and engineering.
Umm...while it may be true that african nations have atrocious pilot training, there is no reason that they cannot be trained by any advisors I may send there.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:29
UN Category: Right-wing Utopia
Civil Rights:Some
Economy: All-Consuming
Political Freedoms: Some
My economy is one below the best rating. How is that a north korea nation?
We spend 4.5-5 trillion of our 21 trillion dollar budget on the armed forces. The armed forces are about 1.7% of the population, not the 5% most have, we are smaller and better trained and equipped.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:30
And if I remember correctly, the RUF was dispersed by British and UN troops, not a handful of white mercenaries, despite their participation. And besides, there's a difference between ideologically commited insurgents and bandit gangs.
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History channel just had a show on it called "Soldiers for hire" the mercenaries sent the 17,000 into hiding, killed thousands. Then they pulled out and the UN came in with 18,000 peace keepers. The civil war started back again and the UN eventually left.
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 07:32
OOC: Apologies. Unfortunately, I remember someone calling your economy basket case.. apparently falsely, so ignore that remark. An additional note that the UWA military has recieved extensive training and aid from Edolia. Also further note that it shouldn't be assumed the helicopters get out OK, as they still have to deal with heavy machine gun fire and a few SAMs and RPGs.
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 07:33
OOC: Eventually left? There's 6000 there _right now_.
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 07:33
One of the Parthian helicopters carrying some evacuated marines spun down and exploded on top of the CM embassy, detonating the 50,000 pounds of C-4 in a fantastic explosion. 30 Parthian F-16s came into the area to safeguard the returning Pave lows with the diplomatic staff onboard. Parthian AH-64 Apache helicopters acompanied the PAve lows as they neared the Libyan border.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:34
OOC: Apologies. Unfortunately, I remember someone calling your economy basket case.. apparently falsely, so ignore that remark. An additional note that the UWA military has recieved extensive training and aid from Edolia. Also further note that it shouldn't be assumed the helicopters get out OK, as they still have to deal with heavy machine gun fire and a few SAMs and RPGs.
Well it took the egyptians on avg 10 site launched SAMS and 7 shoulder launched SAMS to down 1 Israeli aircraft. Arabs are generally better trained than africans. Like in Somalia, for all the RPGs the somalians were shooting at the US choppers, they only downed two.
If you want to shoot one down, work it out with Parthia. But note that I'd have to consider bringing in rescue teams (ie 18,000 special forces in the form of the entire RG special forces division)
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 07:35
IC to Burnsian Desert:
An unexpected developement, but done. Aid may be shipped to ports in Guinea-Bissau. We're not exactly sure of the situation on the ground, but we hope this doesn't degenerate into war.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:35
OOC: Eventually left? There's 6000 there _right now_.
Well they left and then had to come back if I recall. The point is Executive Outcomes did the job, but the UN didn't like the idea of mercenaries. You really shouldn't have missed the history channels show, "Soldiers For Hire"
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:36
The 50,000 lbs of C4 in the CM embassy went off and when it did it killed everybody for about 1 city block in any direction. All the looters and attackers that had stormed the embassy were certainly dead.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:39
Secret letter from Foreign Minister Paul Stahlecker to the leader of UWA "If you get your people to shut up and quit bothering us, I'll see that 100 million in US dollars is deposited into your secret swiss bank account."
Well it took the egyptians on avg 10 site launched SAMS and 7 shoulder launched SAMS to down 1 Israeli aircraft. Arabs are generally better trained than africans. Like in Somalia, for all the RPGs the somalians were shooting at the US choppers, they only downed two.
If you want to shoot one down, work it out with Parthia. But note that I'd have to consider bringing in rescue teams (ie 18,000 special forces in the form of the entire RG special forces division)
OOC: Don't forget that the Egyptians were firing obsolete missiles designed to intercept high altitude bombers at advanced fighter aircraft.
Also, RPG's aren't designed to hit helicopters, being dumb-fire weapons. Consider how the Afghani's fared against the Soviet choppers once they had Stinger missiles and use that as a comparison.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:41
Also, RPG's aren't designed to hit helicopters, being dumb-fire weapons. Consider how the Afghani's fared against the Soviet choppers once they had Stinger missiles and use that as a comparison.
Yes indeed. The stingers really saved the day for the mujahadeen, but did the CIA expect them to use up all the stingers and not save any for later (to use against us).
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 07:42
Parthian Helicopters are ten miles from the Libyan border.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:43
Premier Curtis Fabus has announced that he wishes to travel to UWA and personally make a call to the people to end the violence and instead devote their efforts to making UWA a better place for future generations.
We await UWA reply on this idea.
Fabus feels the only way to achieve peace is to personally address the grievances of the people. (occ- He doesn't really care about most people's problems, he's just a good orator and a good actor)
Yes indeed. The stingers really saved the day for the mujahadeen, but did the CIA expect them to use up all the stingers and not save any for later (to use against us).
OOC: So I think a nice shipment of KSA-10 "Astra" shoulder launched SAMs will come in handy for the West Africans...
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 07:45
Parthian helicopters are five miles from the Libyan border.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:46
Parthian helicopters are five miles from the Libyan border.
Okay.
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 07:48
Parthian helicopters have crossed into Libya and ask CM for an air-to-air refueling so we may drop off evacuated forces in New Jerusalem.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:50
Parthian helicopters have crossed into Libya and ask CM for an air-to-air refueling so we may drop off evacuated forces in New Jerusalem.
Granted, you may RP the refueling if you so wish. :)
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 07:50
Apparently the Premier's arrogance truly knows no bounds. "Our people" did nothing to inflame Communist Mississippi's anger; if you will recall, it was your own citizens who commited extrajudicial executions against OUR citizens first. In any case, whatever militant group commited this attack (we will never know since your bombs killed the majority of them) were about to be dealt with by our own military and police forces before your gunships opened fire upon innocent people.
Because of Communist Mississippi's heavy handedness and unacceptable methods in dealing with this incident, diplomatic ties are forever severed. In addition, the government is offering amnesty to surviving members of the raiding party who turn themselves in.
The Premier comes to the country at his own risk. We cannot make any gurantee as to his safety, as at this point even our own loyal soldiers would be likely to shoot him on site.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:53
Apparently the Premier's arrogance truly knows no bounds. "Our people" did nothing to inflame Communist Mississippi's anger; if you will recall, it was your own citizens who commited extrajudicial executions against OUR citizens first. In any case, whatever militant group commited this attack (we will never know since your bombs killed the majority of them) were about to be dealt with by our own military and police forces before your gunships opened fire upon innocent people.
Because of Communist Mississippi's heavy handedness and unacceptable methods in dealing with this incident, diplomatic ties are forever severed. In addition, the government is offering amnesty to surviving members of the raiding party who turn themselves in.
The Premier comes to the country at his own risk. We cannot make any gurantee as to his safety, as at this point even our own loyal soldiers would be likely to shoot him on site.
He'll come to the country on the sole condition that he be allowed to be guarded by his entire bodyguard division (The Special Republican Guard Division), and their equipment be allowed in. It's a relatively small unit.
Special Republican Guard Divison. Known as the “Curtis Fabus” Division. Drawn from those from the same hometown as Curtis Fabus. (18,000 Special Republican Guard Panzer Grenadiers, 1,000 T-98M Tanks, 2,250 BMP-3EA (Extra Armor)s, 400 G-6 155mm SPA, 300 SA-19 Mobile SAM, and assorted reconnaissance and light vehicles.) The entire Division is comprised of soldiers from the county the Premier is from (Neshoba County), they are tasked with guarding the Premier and the regime against any and all threats. The best Division in the Republican Guard.
The Burnsian Desert
20-07-2004, 07:55
IC to Burnsian Desert:
An unexpected developement, but done. Aid may be shipped to ports in Guinea-Bissau. We're not exactly sure of the situation on the ground, but we hope this doesn't degenerate into war.
Secret IC: Anything specific you need? I'm sending these items, just so you know...
[5] AH-60 Apache Assualt Helicopters
[30] "My New Apache" Instruction Manuals
[5] Air Tactics Advisors
[12] T-92 Tanks
[40] "My New T-92" Instruction Manuals
[30] Ratio Ultimate Sniper Rifles
[10,000] "The Art of War" books
*Chellian News Heading - Large weapons cache in recently taken lybia raided*
Large Oversight? - By Nasser Prokofiev
Just days ago, chellian shock forces raided through north-eastern lybia, as Communist Mississippi forces had recently taken the country by force, and had threatened to shut down a pipe-line that went from the mediterranean sea to southern algeria, bringing filtered water to the desert lands. CM forces quickly pulled out, scared of the superior chellian armed forces.
We decided to add the area to chellian western africa, and it is now being quickly fortified, with heavily armed borders, and integrated into the CAD system.
However, terror struck today as lybian freedom fighters crossed over an un-worked on part of the chellian defenses, and raided a very large weapons cache, one that was scheduled for a light mechanized company to protect an hour after they had been taken. The window of time that they were little guarded was small, and the lybian freedom fighters were able to exploit it and take nearly every weapon and ammunition round in it.
Reports are coming in that about 1,200 firearms, including M-82 Baretta's, PGM hectate II's, AN-94's, G3a3's, Famas G2's, Kord 12.7mm machine guns, and other high price firearms were in the facility. In addition, 50 milan and 200 milan missiles were taken, 150 Eryx and 600 missiles, 400 Stinger's, and loads of ammunition was taken, including advanced depleted uranium APFSDS rounds, in protective cases, that can fit any 120mm gun that is 44 cal, 52 cal, or 55 calibres long, although a known conversion allows the chellian produced rounds to be cased in a way that a 125mm gun such as one in the T-72, T-80, or T-90 could fire it.
This military blunder is a very sad thing, but it goes to show how much the lybians want freedom. Chellis is officially for lybian freedom, but no overt acts of support have been enacted.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:56
Apparently the Premier's arrogance truly knows no bounds. "Our people" did nothing to inflame Communist Mississippi's anger; if you will recall
You brought negative international media attention against our nation. Our people don't like that. Also it wasn't our gunships, also you didn't control your people when they attacked our embassy.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 07:58
*Chellian News Heading - Large weapons cache in recently taken lybia raided*
Large Oversight? - By Nasser Prokofiev
Just days ago, chellian shock forces raided through north-eastern lybia, as Communist Mississippi forces had recently taken the country by force, and had threatened to shut down a pipe-line that went from the mediterranean sea to southern algeria, bringing filtered water to the desert lands. CM forces quickly pulled out, scared of the superior chellian armed forces.
We decided to add the area to chellian western africa, and it is now being quickly fortified, with heavily armed borders, and integrated into the CAD system.
However, terror struck today as lybian freedom fighters crossed over an un-worked on part of the chellian defenses, and raided a very large weapons cache, one that was scheduled for a light mechanized company to protect an hour after they had been taken. The window of time that they were little guarded was small, and the lybian freedom fighters were able to exploit it and take nearly every weapon and ammunition round in it.
Reports are coming in that about 1,200 firearms, including M-82 Baretta's, PGM hectate II's, AN-94's, G3a3's, Famas G2's, Kord 12.7mm machine guns, and other high price firearms were in the facility. In addition, 50 milan and 200 milan missiles were taken, 150 Eryx and 600 missiles, 400 Stinger's, and loads of ammunition was taken, including advanced depleted uranium APFSDS rounds, in protective cases, that can fit any 120mm gun that is 44 cal, 52 cal, or 55 calibres long, although a known conversion allows the chellian produced rounds to be cased in a way that a 125mm gun such as one in the T-72, T-80, or T-90 could fire it.
This military blunder is a very sad thing, but it goes to show how much the lybians want freedom. Chellis is officially for lybian freedom, but no overt acts of support have been enacted.
Since you RPed that my forces pulled out, you RPed my actions. I am ignoring this entire event as the godmodding it is. My T-98 tanks outrange the Abrams A2 by 1,000 meters. They cost 10 million each and are well worth it. There are few "superior armored forces"
[Added: Wait are you just RPing that I pulled out of the narrow strip of land and you took over? But you are making it look like you chased me out? Okay, you can call it whatever you want. Just as long as you aren't invading my colonies and you aren't breaking our treaty. I see what this is, you're scoring a PR victory with the media :) ]
Oh, I also gave you that strip of land you asked for, so I never threatened to shut down anything. You can even find my posts where I promised to sell you cheap oil.
Also if you want to take lbyia, go ahead. I own Lybia, not "Lbyia" it just really pet peeves me when people get the name of the country they are trying to invade wrong. If you can't spell it you can't occupy it :)
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 07:58
OOC: Haha, "My New Apache"
IC: Perhaps it would be best to replace those "Art of War" books with a few surface to air missiles or other light arms. We realize no offense was intended, but Sun-Tzu is useless to your average grunt and most of our generals have a basic grasp of infantry tactics. That, and despite our developinh status, we do have bookstores here and their.
Since you RPed that my forces pulled out, you RPed my actions. I am ignoring this entire event as the godmodding it is. My T-98 tanks outrange the Abrams A2 by 1,000 meters. They cost 10 million each and are well worth it. There are few "superior armored forces"
Oh, I also gave you that strip of land you asked for, so I never threatened to shut down anything. You can even find my posts where I promised to sell you cheap oil.
Wow you are dense.
That was the propoganda i feed them, thats why I put secret on the deal. Jeez.
That didnt actually happen, the raid.
(Btw, the M1a2 is crap, so I dont know why you keep saying your tank is better than it. Big deal.)
Secret IC to UWA: We would like to ship 5,000 Steyr AUG assault rifles, 5,000 KSA-10 "Astra" shoulder launched SAMs, and several hundred trucks and jeeps.
In addition, we offer 1000 advisors to assist with training your army. All of this is free of charge.
Once the situation has stabilised, we can begin shipping real aid.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:03
Wow you are dense.
Hey it's 3 a.m. and I've been tipping back my bottle of bailey's for a while now, give me a break.:)
Also, I never wrote lbyia. I wrote lybia six times, correctly.
The taking the weapons actually happened. The chellian raid in lybia didnt. We dont really have a free press. We lie, k?
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:04
Also, I never wrote lbyia. I wrote lybia six times, correctly.
The taking the weapons actually happened. The chellian raid in lybia didnt. We dont really have a free press. We lie, k?
Makes sense. Well right now I am seeing words with letters transposed.
k.
OOC: Just to say, ooc, this wasnt an accident, if you didnt realise...heh.
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 08:05
You brought negative international media attention against our nation. Our people don't like that. Also it wasn't our gunships, also you didn't control your people when they attacked our embassy.
You brought negative media attention upon yourselves through your own murder and brutality and oppression. As for controlling our people, we had police and military on the scene within minutes, just in time to watch your allies aircraft murder innocent people.
The thought that any Mississippian with ties to the government, let alone the premier, be allowed on Federation soil again, is unthinkable. The Premier may come if he is not adverse to facing a rather harsh prison sentance.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:05
UWA, do you agree to let the Premier's bodyguard unit come if the Premier comes?
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:07
You brought negative media attention upon yourselves through your own murder and brutality and oppression. As for controlling our people, we had police and military on the scene within minutes, just in time to watch your allies aircraft murder innocent people.
The thought that any Mississippian with ties to the government, let alone the premier, be allowed on Federation soil again, is unthinkable. The Premier may come if he is not adverse to facing a rather harsh prison sentance.
Premier Fabus has over 6 trillion dollars in various bank accounts, then he has trillions more in assets (estates, stocks, etc). You would dare suggest putting a man so rich as he into jail?
I am shocked and appalled.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:08
Would your leader like to come to Mississippi? My leader can guarantee his safety. Perhaps we can meet in a neutral nation.
OOC: UWA, do you want my aid or not ;)
Santa Sagissima
20-07-2004, 08:20
Greetings to the people of Unified West Africa,
We note the aggression of the Kingdom of Mississippi in Libya and the continuing situation of oppression in Mississippi itself. We salute the heroic actions of those militants who seized the Mississippian embassy, and gave their lives in the course of that action. We call on our brothers and sisters in Mississippi itself to remember that they are not alone in their struggle for freedom and justice.
May the vengeance of the Lord fall on the wrongdoer,
Peace be with you
Inigo +
Vicar Generalariat for the Missions
The Most Serene and Resolute Republic of Santa Sagissima
OOC: CM questions whether their embassy could be stormed. I'd suggest that in a situation like that described - large numbers of anti-CM people on the streets, no doubt collusion from the UWA security forces and municipial authorities, as well as at least 400 militia, the CM embassy wouldn't stand a chance.
His argument that a 100 whites bust up a 17’000 strong army is rubbish. I don’t know what exactly he’s referring to, but I do know that it took the intervention of the British army, plus a grabbag of other countries to shut down the Sierra Leonean rebels.
Its also extremely politically naïve. The “17’000 strong rebel army” in Sierra Leone was in reality only a loose grouping of different bandit groups. They had no popular legitimacy and existed pretty much only to mine the diamonds for international companies at the cheapest possible rate.
AS to CM’s points about Arabs and Africans being unable to use sophisticated equipment, I would agree with the basic point, which is that you can’t just dump equipment in another country and expect it to be used to its optimum level. But I would question the reliability of his other claims, which sound thoroughly bogus. I’d also point out that the underlying idea – that these people are inherently incapable of using such equipment – has been scientifically discredited.
I would also question how communist Mississippi survives politically – if the ratio of white to black is the same as what it is in reality then CM would be spending a lot more time and money on domestic policing and be unable to indulge in overseas adventures. I refuse to believe that it’s feasible to have such a high level of repression without the emergence of armed internal resistance (which if you allow, must give us an opportunity to operate within CM).
Finally, I would question CM’s ability to manufacture all of this top-end military hardware if it is so totally self reliant.
Mercantalism. Chellis is very mercantalist, and the only major import it has is agriculture and seeds.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:26
Greetings to the people of Unified West Africa,
We note the aggression of the Kingdom of Mississippi in Libya and the continuing situation of oppression in Mississippi itself. We salute the heroic actions of those militants who seized the Mississippian embassy, and gave their lives in the course of that action. We call on our brothers and sisters in Mississippi itself to remember that they are not alone in their struggle for freedom and justice.
May the vengeance of the Lord fall on the wrongdoer,
Peace be with you
Inigo +
Vicar Generalariat for the Missions
The Most Serene and Resolute Republic of Santa Sagissima
OOC: CM questions whether their embassy could be stormed. I'd suggest that in a situation like that described - large numbers of anti-CM people on the streets, no doubt collusion from the UWA security forces and municipial authorities, as well as at least 400 militia, the CM embassy wouldn't stand a chance.
His argument that a 100 whites bust up a 17’000 strong army is rubbish. I don’t know what exactly he’s referring to, but I do know that it took the intervention of the British army, plus a grabbag of other countries to shut down the Sierra Leonean rebels.
Its also extremely politically naïve. The “17’000 strong rebel army” in Sierra Leone was in reality only a loose grouping of different bandit groups. They had no popular legitimacy and existed pretty much only to mine the diamonds for international companies at the cheapest possible rate.
AS to CM’s points about Arabs and Africans being unable to use sophisticated equipment, I would agree with the basic point, which is that you can’t just dump equipment in another country and expect it to be used to its optimum level. But I would question the reliability of his other claims, which sound thoroughly bogus. I’d also point out that the underlying idea – that these people are inherently incapable of using such equipment – has been scientifically discredited.
I would also question how communist Mississippi survives politically – if the ratio of white to black is the same as what it is in reality then CM would be spending a lot more time and money on domestic policing and be unable to indulge in overseas adventures. I refuse to believe that it’s feasible to have such a high level of repression without the emergence of armed internal resistance (which if you allow, must give us an opportunity to operate within CM).
Finally, I would question CM’s ability to manufacture all of this top-end military hardware if it is so totally self reliant.
In 1984 Premier Fabus came to power. We have 800 million whites and 40-60 million blacks, today we have 10 million blacks and over 1 billion whites. We gassed and shot most of the blacks and we did likewise to all the jews. There was a mass exodus of blacks in the mid 90s and 10-20 million left, so there were 40 million left, we killed about 30 million. That is all occ stuff that nobody knows about because we did it in secret.
The 100 white mercenaries were mostly all from 32 battalion of the SA apartheid army, they were better than delta force or rangers, these guys were brutal, they were efficient, they were the best of the best. Do a google search for "Executive Outcomes Sierra Leone" or try Alta Vista. As for arab and african armies getting outside help read "Arabs At War" outside help matters little in the overall scheme of things.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:28
I refuse to believe that it’s feasible to have such a high level of repression without the emergence of armed internal resistance (which if you allow, must give us an opportunity to operate within CM).
Finally, I would question CM’s ability to manufacture all of this top-end military hardware if it is so totally self reliant.
Oh we used gun control in the early days of our regime to get the blacks to give up their guns, we told them "Think of the children", and they bought it hook, line, and sinker. We are currently looking to deport the remaining blacks from our nation (10 million) but we don't know to where they'd go. Would UWA take them?
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:29
I’d also point out that the underlying idea – that these people are inherently incapable of using such equipment – has been scientifically discredited.
.
History shows us otherwise, and I put more faith in history than in scientific THEORY. History doesn't lie, it is as Joe Friday so often put it, "Just the facts"
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 08:30
OOC: The aid has been accepted, with warnings that the particular assault rifles selected might be inappropriate to a force that uses mostly 7.62 or 5.45mm ammunition and is used to simple, easily maintained Kalashnikov variants. Military advisors would likely reside at the Edolian military base in Conakry where 60,000 Edolian forces are doing much the same thing you are.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:33
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/executive_outcomes.htm
Executive Outcomes
Executive Outcomes, the now defunct mercenary firm based in Pretoria, South Africa, that was manned mostly by former members of the South African Defense Force, proved to be a decisive factor in the outcome of some civil wars in Africa. Involved in forcing rebels to the negotiating table in Sierra Leone and more well-known for contributing to the Angolan government's success in forcing UNITA to accept the Lusaka Protocol in 1994, Executive Outcomes reportedly had a web of influence in Uganda, Botswana, Zambia, Ethiopia, Namibia, Lesotho and South Africa.
Even though the firm's expertise lay in fighting bush wars, it diversified and reportedly operated as many as 32 companies, whose interests range from computer software to adult education. The firm's tactic of quickly regaining control of a client country's mineral-rich regions is well-documented. Within a month of Sierra Leone's hiring of Executive Outcomes in May 1995, government forces had regained control of the diamond-rich Kono district, which produces two-thirds of Sierra Leone's diamonds. In Angola, oil- and diamond-producing regions were the first areas secured by government forces trained by Executive Outcomes. The firm also reportedly mined gold in Uganda, drilled boreholes in Ethiopia and had a variety of interests in the other countries noted above.
Executive Outcomes claimed that its sole purpose was to bring stability to the region by supporting legitimate governments in their defense against armed rebels. Nevertheless, rumors persisted that the firm was connected to either the South African DeBeers Diamond Corporation or the South African government. These claims were denied by all parties, and the South African government tried to restrict Executive Outcomes' business ventures.
The intermixing of paramilitary and commercial ventures made it difficult to determine the number of mercenaries involved in various countries. Most reports indicated there were between 150 and 200 in Sierra Leone, while reports from Angola varied, indicating between 500 and 4,000 members in that country.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:35
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/text2-21-2003-35998.asp
British Mercenaries Find a New Ferocity in Ivory Coast
A British former SAS man is flying a helicopter gunship for the Ivory Coast government, one of six foreign mercenaries from a group of at least 50 recruited by Saudi Arabian diamond speculator in September, according to mercenary sources. The rest are said to have left recently under...
By Guardian Newspapers, 2/21/2003
A British former SAS man is flying a helicopter gunship for the Ivory Coast government, one of six foreign mercenaries from a group of at least 50 recruited by Saudi Arabian diamond speculator in September, according to mercenary sources.
The rest are said to have left recently under pressure from France, the former colonial power, which has a force in Ivory Coast trying to keep the government and rebel forces apart.
The six helicopter gunship pilots remaining are the British former member of B-squadron SAS, a Frenchman and four South Africans. They are flying sorties against the three rebel groups which control 60% of the country.
Almost all the mercenaries were former employees of Executive Outcomes, a South African company disbanded in 1999 after the government introduced a law banning mercenary activity by its nationals.
Executive Outcomes drew international attention to the industry, worth an estimated £30bn a year in the late 90s, by fighting for the besieged governments of Angola and Sierra Leone. In Sierra Leone the British mercenary company Sandline International broke a UN arms embargo, allegedly with British government approval.
"Executive Outcomes has officially run its course, because the South African government didn't like having a formal mercenary headquarters around," said Roy Kaulback, an analyst for Jane's Intelligence Review in Abidjan. "But we're seeing exactly the same people on the ground here.
"There appears to be an informalising of the industry. We can expect to see a lot more wars in Africa, and that means work for soldiers. To get these guys together only takes a couple of phone calls."
Jim Maguire, 46, a former Royal Marine from London who went on to serve in the Rhodesian and South African special forces, was a mercenary in Ivory Coast for three months, until he left the country three weeks ago. He now lives in Johannesburg.
He received a call in early October and was fighting 24-hour gun battles against well-trained Liberian insurgents by the month's end.
"It's normally done by word of mouth," he said. "The guys know each other, and if you know the people you get the jobs."
"Some French guys put this one together - the French have always been deeply involved in this game - but no companies, you understand."
The three-month contract was worth €6,000 (£4,000) a month, he said Mr Maguire. There was no offer of compensation for death or injury.
The mercenaries met in Abidjan on October 22 and were immediately deployed. The mission was described as a "72-hour policing operation" to support the Ivoirean army in the west, Mr Maguire said.
But it went disastrously wrong.
"It's like any team," he said. "If you've not played a game together before, it doesn't go too well. But this was a big shock."
Contrary to their briefing, the mercenaries found not a drug-crazed rabble of rebels fleeing disciplined government troops, but the reverse: battle-hardened fighters from Liberia and Sierra Leone terrorising raw Ivoirean recruits.
He said: "They were a very well-organised, well-equipped enemy, very determined to win. The attacks were ferocious - it's not the 1960s any more, when a bunch of white guys can take a country with four rifles. This is real war."
In the first battle, at Belloa, at least six Ivoireans died and two French mercenaries were blinded by a grenade.
Three months later Mr Maguire was still in the west, half-dead with malaria, and cut off behind rebel lines alongside his 14 remaining comrades.
"In the end we were being attacked permanently, day and night. We were the only front to hold up," he said. "We got totally cut off. We had no radio and not enough ammunition. It wasn't good."
Mr Maguire and the other mercenary infantrymen were asked to leave Ivory Coast after France pushed through a peace accord in Paris last month.
But with the Ivorian government having since broken the agreement and the rebels promising to redouble the attack, Mr Kaulbak and other military analysts in Abidjan believe that this was a wrongheaded decision.
"You have two sides sufficiently infuriated with each other to go to war, and the west comes in and says, 'you must start talking to each other,' when they probably consider the time for talking is past," he said. "It's rather insulting really."
"If you want peace, you have to impose it - which you can't do by imposing peace talks.
"Here the mercenaries can be pivotal. With a few high-quality soldiers, assisting one side or another, you could actually finish the thing."
A South African gunship pilot in Abidjan, who goes by the nom de guerre of "Lieutenant-Colonel Fred", agreed.
"A military solution's the only solution," said Fred, a veteran of wars in Angola - on both sides - Sierra Leone, and Papua New Guinea.
"As a mercenary you can go and fight for the rebels, and I say that's bad; or you can assist a legitimate government which has no experience of fighting a war, and I say that's good."
Fred cited Executive Outcomes' Sierra Leone intervention, where it held a vicious rebel movement at bay for two years with only 120 men. After international pressure, they were replaced by 15,000 UN peacekeepers, many of whom the rebels promptly kidnapped or killed, causing their mission to be aborted.
But Fabien Hara of the International Crisis Group, a thinktank focusing on conflict resolution, quoted Machiavelli: "You don't win wars with mercenaries."
In her view the mercenaries in Ivory Coast have become a proxy army, representing a tiny slice of the population. "It's not a question of practicality, but principle - of whether mercenaries should be there at all," she said.
Principle is not an alien concept to Mr Maguire. He turned down an offer to fight the rebels in Angola with Executive Outcomes - having already fought on the other side - and $10,000 (£7,000) a month from Liberia to oppose British troops in Sierra Leone.
But he conceded that mercenaries might not be best-placed to judge the rights and wrongs of a cause.
"I don't get too interested in the politics of a situation. I just do my job, try not to get killed, and I leave," he said.
"I don't even like it as much as I used to. I've got two young kids now and they're always on my mind. I suppose there might be a bit of enjoyment still, but it's really just about the money."
© Guardian Newspapers Limited
Graphical version: British Mercenaries Find a New Ferocity in Ivory Coast.
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Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:36
UWA, my leader extends an invitation for your leader to join him at the Jackson City imperial residence for talks about recent violence in UWA and CM.
OOC: The aid has been accepted, with warnings that the particular assault rifles selected might be inappropriate to a force that uses mostly 7.62 or 5.45mm ammunition and is used to simple, easily maintained Kalashnikov variants. Military advisors would likely reside at the Edolian military base in Conakry where 60,000 Edolian forces are doing much the same thing you are.
Very well, we have replaced the weapons with RPK-74 Infantry Support weapons, and AK-74 rifles, which we have in abundance with our reservist forces.
OOC: We use a weird mix of weaponry, it's a historical thing, we had a falling-out with the Eastern Bloc back in the day, so we were forced to change to European equipment, for the most part.
CM- If Arabs and Africans have always been so inept at warfare...well, how do you explain the crusades? Also, how did the Turks capture Constantinople...using cannon years before it became common in Europe.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 08:42
Very well, we have replaced the weapons with RPK-74 Infantry Support weapons, and AK-74 rifles, which we have in abundance with our reservist forces.
OOC: We use a weird mix of weaponry, it's a historical thing, we had a falling-out with the Eastern Bloc back in the day, so we were forced to change to European equipment, for the most part.
CM- If Arabs and Africans have always been so inept at warfare...well, how do you explain the crusades? How did the Turks capture Constantinople...using cannon years before it became common in Europe.
The turks employed a hungarian engineer, a man named "Urban" to build their cannons. Also back then arab society supported learning, and they excelled in mathematics, medicine, and other sciences. Arab doctors were better than European doctors (who largely believed in rubbish). Today Arab society, and the arab people, are products of theocracies that purposely seek to limit and stifle intellectual development.
The turks employed a hungarian engineer, a man named "Urban" to build their cannons. Also back then arab society supported learning, and they excelled in mathematics, medicine, and other sciences. Arab doctors were better than European doctors (who largely believed in rubbish). Today Arab society, and the arab people, are products of theocracies that purposely seek to limit and stifle intellectual development.
OOC: Uh-huh, that's correct. (Don't know about the Urban part though, but I will look it up) It's certainly not a racial thing though.
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 08:44
Parthian helicopters landed in New Jerusalem to drop off the evacuated diplomats and staff.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 09:16
UWA, you give us a bill for the damages the embassy explosion caused to your property and we'll see what we can do.
Watertest
20-07-2004, 09:21
International Statement
Watertest condemns Communist Mississippi’s blatant Imperialism in Africa…….Watertest is also noting Communists Mississippi’s apparent inability to give medical care to injured black civilians, while simultaneously able to support a colony of 50 million whites in Libya. Communist Mississippi’s racist polices are disturbing to say the least…..We will be keeping an eye on the situation in Africa for the time being……
Secret Message to United West Africa
We have built up a massive supply of weapons over the years that are now (for us) technologically obsolete…..We figure that giving these to your nation could actually save us the money of repairing and maintaining these 2nd Generation weapons…..If you ever need any weapons systems, do not hesitate to ask for support…..
OOC:
1) I occupy Italy, Switzerland, Corsica, and Malta
2) I am actually a March 2003 nation, check my pop
3) Glorified TAG
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 09:25
The Parthians hereby declare responibility for the evacuation of the Brave CM defenders from the besiged embassy. We demand that UWA crack down on these psychotic militants before such an event occurs again. Until then all Parthian oil shipments (That means the oil from Iraq and Iran) are witheld from UWA.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 09:27
International Statement
Watertest condemns Communist Mississippi’s blatant Imperialism in Africa…….Watertest is also noting Communists Mississippi’s apparent inability to give medical care to injured black civilians, while simultaneously able to support a colony of 50 million whites in Libya. Communist Mississippi’s racist polices are disturbing to say the least…..We will be keeping an eye on the situation in Africa for the time being……
We'd like to point out that our allies are also in Africa with us, but you single me out for condemnation. If you condemn them you must condemn me, if you condemn me you must condemn them. We stand united!
Also, we'd like to help the black civilians, but we're short on money. (Also we have laws that prohibit whites and non-whites from providing medical care for each other. These are the same laws that prohibit social relations and other relations)
Our national government must pinch pennies for a while now because we have 50 million colonists in Libya and 10 million in "Mississippian Egypt" and we have plans to put 20 million more into Libya and 10-20 million more into the parts of Egypt we control. We're also eyeballing Morocco and Western Sahara, but we're not planning to overextend ourselves, so we'll probably just let them go.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 09:29
The Parthians hereby declare responibility for the evacuation of the Brave CM defenders from the besiged embassy. We demand that UWA crack down on these psychotic militants before such an event occurs again. Until then all Parthian oil shipments (That means the oil from Iraq and Iran) are witheld from UWA.
CM will immediately shutoff the flow of oil to UWA from all CM territories. That means nothing from Mississippi, Tennessee, Libya, and "Mississippian Egypt." Also we are urging our allies to follow suit and shutoff the Suez Canal to any and all commerce destined for UWA.
(Note Communist Mississippi is 2,000 miles long by 3,000 miles wide, it is a massive nation that turns out lots of oil)
We are declaring a general embargo on UWA.
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 09:30
Yes Indeed, We stand United as allies.
And it was not just CM, I have done a similar thing in Persia. Check out the thread Parthia Re-Perisianizes Iraq.
Oh and another thing I also control the entrance to the Persian Gulf and am more then willing to shut down any gulf oil shipments to UWA.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 09:36
I will not allow any UWA ships to pass through my section of the Suez canal (as one of the alliance powers that helped take it, I assume we each get a piece of it? If not, if somebody else in the alliance wants the whole canal, that's okay, just deny UWA use of the canal)
I will not allow any UWA ships to dock at any of my ports for any reason whatsoever.
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 09:38
I will not allow any UWA ships to pass through my section of the Suez canal (as one of the alliance powers that helped take it, I assume we each get a piece of it? If not, if somebody else in the alliance wants the whole canal, that's okay, just deny UWA use of the canal)
I will not allow any UWA ships to dock at any of my ports for any reason whatsoever.
I did lay claim to a portion of the Egyptian red sea coast and if given it I could blockade the oil shipments.
Santa Sagissima
20-07-2004, 10:03
To the State Library of Mississippi
We were wondering if you could fill us in on some of the history of the Kingdom of Mississippi. We’ve heard that in 1984 Mississippi had 800million whites and 40-60 million blacks. When President Fabus came to power 10-20 million blacks reportedly fled Mississippi, about 30 million were killed as well as untold numbers of Jews (presumably Gypsies and gays as well). We understand that your government denies any such massacres, but we wonder whether you, as a reputable institution, also persist in blanket denials in the face of thousands of eyewitness testimony and photographic evidence.
We have also heard that CM claims to have over 1 billion whites and 10 million blacks. That’s equivalent to India or China, but with a hell of a lot less ethnic diversity. How many languages do you have? India has 24 official languages and hundreds of unofficial ones. China has at least two languages and thousands of dialects. How many armed separatist groups do you have?
Peace be with you
Brother Thomas Scepticus +
Political Studies department of Santa Sofia College
ooc: my problem is that you are stretching the limits of credibility constantly. The wilder your claims the more the world spreads out to the point of incoherence.
Unified West Africa
20-07-2004, 14:59
So Communist Mississippi has sunk to new lows. Your attempts at an economic embargo mean we'll have to look to Peru, Nigeria, Cameroon, and possibly Gabon for oil, but we will not pay for a damned thing and we will not let you cripple our economy.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 17:05
We have also heard that CM claims to have over 1 billion whites and 10 million blacks. That’s equivalent to India or China, but with a hell of a lot less ethnic diversity. How many languages do you have? India has 24 official languages and hundreds of unofficial ones. China has at least two languages and thousands of dialects. How many armed separatist groups do you have?
We have heard I have over 1 billion, no the game tells us that.
The Kingdom of Communist Mississippi is a massive, devout nation, renowned for its devotion to social welfare. Its hard-working, cynical population of 1.114 billion are free to succeed or fail in life on their own merits; the successful tend to enjoy an opulent (but moralistic) lifestyle, while the failures can be seen crowding out most jails.
If you weren't a guest you'd know.
Also we have about 15+ languages spoken, but English is the official language and the others are only spoken when people don't want outsiders to know what they're saying, and at cultural fairs, and in the "german towns" and "little italys", and "russian towns" etc.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 17:08
but with a hell of a lot less ethnic diversity.
Actually we're one of the most ethnically diverse land as we have people from every European nationality in our nation. We also have Australians, Canadians, Argentines, South Africans, New Zealanders, and people from other former European Colonies throughout Africa and South America.
Won't we don't have is racial diversity. We are a one race nation, but our people come from different lands with different languages, traditions, and cultures.
Communist Mississippi
20-07-2004, 17:51
UWA, will your leader agree to meet with my leader? Either we can meet in UWA (But the Premier will bring his "Special Republican Guard" Division, his bodyguard division) or we can meet in CM, or we can meet in a neutral nation.
The Burnsian Desert
20-07-2004, 18:08
OOC: Well this topic exploded fast...
SECRET IC to Unified West Africa:
Very well, we shall add...
[140] SA-7 Grail Man Portable SAM Launchers
and
[12] Humvee "Avenger" Missile systems
...to the order. Yet again, please keep this quiet. Will arrive in Guiana-Bassau (I just slit that name's throat, didn't I?) in three days.
The Parthians
20-07-2004, 18:11
So Communist Mississippi has sunk to new lows. Your attempts at an economic embargo mean we'll have to look to Peru, Nigeria, Cameroon, and possibly Gabon for oil, but we will not pay for a damned thing and we will not let you cripple our economy.
But you will get not a drop from the Gulf States. The Persian Gulf is now being blockaded.
http://ddifr.url.cjb.net/
Give those troublesome ones a quick phone call!