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Curtis Fabus Class Battleship

Builder: Fabus Naval Yards

Designation: BB-04A

Cost: $50,000,000,000

Operation Cost per year: $5,000,000,000

Power Plant: Eight Pebble Bed Reactors (CM-04A Pebble Bed Reactor using uranium carbide)
Sixteen shafts, sixteen propellers, with five blades each. 1,223,080 HP

Overall Length: 5,132 feet.

Overall Width: 1,907 feet.

Displacement 401,457 tons

Speed: 20 miles/hour = 17.37960 knots/hour

Crew: Ship’s company: 4,708 (4,496 enlisted. 212 officers)
Marines: 120

Armament:
9: 30 inch guns in 3 triple turrets
6: 12 inch guns in 2 triple turrets
8: 6 inch guns in 2 triple turrets
18: Sea Sparrow launchers
10: Phalanx CIWS 20mm mounts
4: MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (96 Cells)
[Standard missile and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]
12:Standard Missile (MR)
12: Harpoon (from Standard Missile Launcher)
12: MK-46 torpedoes(from MK 32 SVTT triple mounts)
24: 76 mm (3-inch)/62 caliber MK 75 rapid fire gun

Combat Systems:
SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
3 Mk91 Fire Control
SPS-49 Air Search Radar
SPS-67 Surface Search Radar
4 Mk37 Gun Fire Control
2 Mk38 Gun Direction
1 Mk40 Gun Director
1 SPQ-9 [BB-61]



http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/bb-62-1999-tow.jpg

36 inch guns wow.

We'll take one.

*money wired on confirm*

36 inch guns wow.

We'll take one.

*money wired on confirm*

Confirmed.

Kind of pricey, but since our navy has a mandate to procure one of every battleship in the world, we must order one of these vessels, *money is wired*

:mp5:

Kind of pricey, but since our navy has a mandate to procure one of every battleship in the world, we must order one of these vessels, *money is wired*

:mp5:


Okay, confirmed.

bump.

Curtis Fabus Class Battleship

Builder: Fabus Naval Yards

Designation: BB-04

Cost: $25,000,000,000

Operation Cost per year: $1,000,000,000

Power Plant: Four Nuclear Power Plant (A4W Pressurized Water Reactor)
Eight shafts, Eight propellers, with five blades each.

Overall Length: 1,512 feet.

Displacement 112,052 tons

Speed: 30+ knots (34.5+ miles per hour)

Crew: Ship’s company: 4,708 (4,496 enlisted. 212 officers)
Marines: 120

Armament:
12: 36 inch guns in 4 triple turrets
9: 12 inch guns in 3 triple turrets
24: 6 inch guns in 8 triple turrets
24: Sea Sparrow launchers
12: Phalanx CIWS 20mm mounts
8: MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (96 Cells)
[Standard missile and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]
24:Standard Missile (MR)
36: Harpoon (from Standard Missile Launcher)
24: MK-46 torpedoes(from two MK 32 SVTT triple mounts)
24: 76 mm (3-inch)/62 caliber MK 75 rapid fire gun

Combat Systems:
SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
3 Mk91 Fire Control
SPS-49 Air Search Radar
SPS-67 Surface Search Radar
4 Mk37 Gun Fire Control
2 Mk38 Gun Direction
1 Mk40 Gun Director
1 SPQ-9 [BB-61]





http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/bb-62-1999-tow.jpg

OOC: :D HAHAAHAHAHAHHAH :D Thank you for the good laugh, CM :D First off, after 30-32" guns, range and accuracy declines to the point it isn't an advantage to have the larger gun. Second, the price far to low. Displacement? Size? Really, instead of just making up crap things or trying to copy a RL battleship but making the gun sizes a lot larger, make something up on your own.

...Curtis Fabus class? Thats frightening, considering I had a Drill Sergeant by the name of "Fabus"

OOC: :D HAHAAHAHAHAHHAH :D Thank you for the good laugh, CM :D First off, after 30-32" guns, range and accuracy declines to the point it isn't an advantage to have the larger gun. Second, the price far to low. Displacement? Size? Really, instead of just making up crap things or trying to copy a RL battleship but making the gun sizes a lot larger, make something up on your own.


Hey, go easy on me. I'm not good at making up weapons. And we wanted 36 inch guns because the Premier likes to let the world know that things are bigger in CM (yes a phallic reference). It's basically just a floating gun platform.


If you want to give me advice, please TG me. Don't try to humiliate me on the open forums. You hurt my feelings. :(

...Curtis Fabus class? Thats frightening, considering I had a Drill Sergeant by the name of "Fabus"


I see.

If you want to give me advice, please TG me. Don't try to humiliate me on the open forums. You hurt my feelings. :(

[OOC: I was thinking the same thing as Doujin in terms of the gun size. Also, as a monohull, your ship likely would be very slow and next to impossible to maneuver. If it were a Trimarian hull, that'd be a different story. But IRL, anything over 100,000 tons would be next to impossible to dock.

I agree with you that Doujin didn't word it in the most diplomatic way. Perhaps he was thinking you were some n00b trying to copy off a Doujin. But the points behind the insults are valid.]

[OOC: I was thinking the same thing as Doujin in terms of the gun size. Also, as a monohull, your ship likely would be very slow and next to impossible to maneuver. If it were a Trimarian hull, that'd be a different story. But IRL, anything over 100,000 tons would be next to impossible to dock.

I agree with you that Doujin didn't word it in the most diplomatic way. Perhaps he was thinking you were some n00b trying to copy off a Doujin. But the points behind the insults are valid.]

The whole point of the battleship is that it is basically impractical and is just a massive sluggish behemoth that costs a lot and can barely move. (It has massive engines and can barely go the same speed as most other battleships)

OOC: Fine, want me to be nice? It's too small to accomodate 36" guns, it's displacement is far from an accurate displacement - hell a turret of the Doujin Class (http://www.geocities.com/doujincorp/doujinbb.html) (4 30" gun turret) ways over 35,000 tons I do believe. The cost of a Doujin Class? 225+ billion. You wouldn't be able to fire a broadside of those guns, because it would rip your hull apart and tip your boat over. Really poorly designed, delete it all and start over again - phallic reference? Pfft.

OOC: Fine, want me to be nice? It's too small to accomodate 36" guns, it's displacement is far from an accurate displacement - hell a turret of the Doujin Class (http://www.geocities.com/doujincorp/doujinbb.html) (4 30" gun turret) ways over 35,000 tons I do believe. The cost of a Doujin Class? 225+ billion. You wouldn't be able to fire a broadside of those guns, because it would rip your hull apart and tip your boat over. Really poorly designed, delete it all and start over again - phallic reference? Pfft.


Wow that was much nicer. Not really. And my turrent doesn't "way" anything, it weighs. If you'll be mean I can be mean. :)


How about you look at the ship, see where it is I'm going with it and what I want, and you edit it and design it. We'll give you 10 billion dollars to do so. What say you?

OOC: You don't want me to be mean, me being nice gets people upset (as you can already tell). No deal, i dont give a damn about your stupid ship :)

Well, I, for one, feature a ship with a pair of forward-firing ONLY 32" guns....And yes, the ship is massive, and the docks for it had to be specially designed to accomodate it (particularally the underwater 'fin' that's pretty big too)...But the issue...Firing such huge guns would drive the bow of any ship down into the water, and quite effectively, sink it, right?

Thats why I developed the Recoil Absorbtion System. The whole mechanisim, guns included, takes up the front quarter-to-third of the hull. When the cannons fire, the energy produced by the firing drives the cannons backwards on a rail-and-spring system which prevents the massive forces from putting the bow under. Unfortunately, due to the stress of firing, every twenty round-sets (thats one round in each gun, to make a set) the system needs to be inspected. Upon reaching 40 (or getting close to), the entire system needs to be overhauled entirely.

Now, why would anyone create such a thing on a *mono-hulled* ship huge forward firing cannons on something that can't turn to bring them to bear quickly?

The ship isnt built with naval combat in mind so much as land combat. It's a support ship, entirely. The hull features turrets which can target other ships, with much smaller guns, but the main guns..their for hitting targets of opportunity up front, or large, slow targets..or, most importantly...Artillery for support of ground troops. You can fit alot of power in a 32" shell.

I decided not to purchase this battleship OOC: I try to look for the objections to how the ships or whatever is done hehe. I only buy things that are real. Nothing from the future, unless it CAN be done, but isn't on the market. We can just RP it in or whatever.

Well, I, for one, feature a ship with a pair of forward-firing ONLY 32" guns....And yes, the ship is massive, and the docks for it had to be specially designed to accomodate it (particularally the underwater 'fin' that's pretty big too)...But the issue...Firing such huge guns would drive the bow of any ship down into the water, and quite effectively, sink it, right?

Thats why I developed the Recoil Absorbtion System. The whole mechanisim, guns included, takes up the front quarter-to-third of the hull. When the cannons fire, the energy produced by the firing drives the cannons backwards on a rail-and-spring system which prevents the massive forces from putting the bow under. Unfortunately, due to the stress of firing, every twenty round-sets (thats one round in each gun, to make a set) the system needs to be inspected. Upon reaching 40 (or getting close to), the entire system needs to be overhauled entirely.

Now, why would anyone create such a thing on a *mono-hulled* ship huge forward firing cannons on something that can't turn to bring them to bear quickly?

The ship isnt built with naval combat in mind so much as land combat. It's a support ship, entirely. The hull features turrets which can target other ships, with much smaller guns, but the main guns..their for hitting targets of opportunity up front, or large, slow targets..or, most importantly...Artillery for support of ground troops. You can fit alot of power in a 32" shell.


Okay, make it so it works with the ship I have. And if you also edit the design of my ship in regards to weight, engine power, and length, and a few other minor things, I'll pay you 25 billion dollars for the designs. But I want the armament to stay the same.

If you can build me a battle ship with the armament I have listed. I'll pay you 100 billion dollars.

I'll purchase 4 = 100 billion

-----Money Wired upon Confirmaton-----

I'll purchase 4 = 100 billion

-----Money Wired upon Confirmaton-----
confirmed

Hmm.. this looks like a good investment.. Ill take two. Money wired on confirmation.

Well, you'll want your length to be at least 1800 meters--my largest of the four Super-Capital ships that I've got is 2400 meters, and that one's an Aircraft Carrier. My largest "super dreadnought" is only 2200 meters in comparison. the first 300-400 meters'll be taken up by the apparatus to hold the recoil assembly, however, as you use the even more monstrous 36" cannons, it'll have to be at least 400-500 meters of recoil assembly. That takes away alot of space...and the other issue is that you want to have 12 of these things in -turrets-. That will make it even tougher to do; you'll be required to widen the ship to being at least 600 meters across-which means the thing'll be better decked out than an aircraft carrier.

Of course, that means to prevent you from having too much width-to-length, you'll need to lengthen the behemoth even more. And then theres the issue of possible capsizing during a broadside.....already, to prevent capsizing in rough seas from the 'top stack', you'll need a ventral 'fin' to help stabilize the ship in water....now, you'll have to make a fin even larger than before, to add more below-waterline weight than there is above water, to hope you dont capsize the boat when firing. After all, the Recoil Reduction Assembly is just that-A REDUCTION Assembly, it doesnt negate all recoil. with that much recoil coming out, youre looking at some massive power pushing you over.

Of course, thats going with a mono-hulled design. If you use the double "catamaran" style or even the triple style, you can have a much wider ship which'll support the firing better..but even then, you'd have a massive sideways ship if you turreted everything. Thats one of the reasons why we designed the Super-Dreadnoughts with only a pair of forward-firing guns. While they took up a front portion of the ship, they still did not hurt the design too much--a broadside of 16 and 18" shells is still devastating, if not as sheerly massive. The smaller guns can have a faster refire rate as well, since you dont have to wait for the recoil system to reset the cannons into firing positions, the cannons to be loaded, ammo to be shifted, ballast to be measured by load, and then the refire. And then the limitations of shots before the recoil system looses reliability and the weapon becomes more of a threat to the ship its on than the enemy.

In summary, while a powerful design, it'd be nearly impossible to build a feasable version of this ship. At least, not as massively armed.

That is the official quote on the project from the Order.

*Special note--building a ship on this scale will produce an amazing drain upon your infrastructure, both the facilities to build it and service it will be required to be built...and on top of that, to accomodate the necessary 'fin', you'll need to dig out a harbor, a very costly proposition.

IDF's navy will take 5 and inquires into possible allied discounts?
We will wire on confirmation

Well, you'll want your length to be at least 1800 meters--my largest of the four Super-Capital ships that I've got is 2400 meters, and that one's an Aircraft Carrier. My largest "super dreadnought" is only 2200 meters in comparison. the first 300-400 meters'll be taken up by the apparatus to hold the recoil assembly, however, as you use the even more monstrous 36" cannons, it'll have to be at least 400-500 meters of recoil assembly. That takes away alot of space...and the other issue is that you want to have 12 of these things in -turrets-. That will make it even tougher to do; you'll be required to widen the ship to being at least 600 meters across-which means the thing'll be better decked out than an aircraft carrier.

Of course, that means to prevent you from having too much width-to-length, you'll need to lengthen the behemoth even more. And then theres the issue of possible capsizing during a broadside.....already, to prevent capsizing in rough seas from the 'top stack', you'll need a ventral 'fin' to help stabilize the ship in water....now, you'll have to make a fin even larger than before, to add more below-waterline weight than there is above water, to hope you dont capsize the boat when firing. After all, the Recoil Reduction Assembly is just that-A REDUCTION Assembly, it doesnt negate all recoil. with that much recoil coming out, youre looking at some massive power pushing you over.

Of course, thats going with a mono-hulled design. If you use the double "catamaran" style or even the triple style, you can have a much wider ship which'll support the firing better..but even then, you'd have a massive sideways ship if you turreted everything. Thats one of the reasons why we designed the Super-Dreadnoughts with only a pair of forward-firing guns. While they took up a front portion of the ship, they still did not hurt the design too much--a broadside of 16 and 18" shells is still devastating, if not as sheerly massive. The smaller guns can have a faster refire rate as well, since you dont have to wait for the recoil system to reset the cannons into firing positions, the cannons to be loaded, ammo to be shifted, ballast to be measured by load, and then the refire. And then the limitations of shots before the recoil system looses reliability and the weapon becomes more of a threat to the ship its on than the enemy.

In summary, while a powerful design, it'd be nearly impossible to build a feasable version of this ship. At least, not as massively armed.

That is the official quote on the project from the Order.

*Special note--building a ship on this scale will produce an amazing drain upon your infrastructure, both the facilities to build it and service it will be required to be built...and on top of that, to accomodate the necessary 'fin', you'll need to dig out a harbor, a very costly proposition.

We've allocated 500 billion dollars to build the harbor and other facilities. We're also slating 1 trillion dollars for building the first 8 ships (We've diverted the money from the welfare and social security funds)

We want you to handle building the harbor. We'll pay you 500 billion dollars, get it done quickly and good quality.

IDF's navy will take 5 and inquires into possible allied discounts?
We will wire on confirmation

We suggest you wait until we can modify the ships to make them feasible. The Curtis Fabus Class Battleship has proved less than satisfactory. We built 8 of them, while 1 was practice firing, the recoil made the ship keel over.

We've taken the other 7 back to the docks to refit them and heavily modify them. In 2-3 days real time the modifications will be done.

We'll give you 25% allied discount.

Side note (go to the parthia mobilizes thread, and RP your release of the 20 syrian terrorists that the group holding the premier son (the heir) want released in order to release him)

Quite frankly, the Order's main focus is in our Mercenaries, not so much in construction. Of course, since we've already gotten the tech constructed to build the necessary drydocks and harbors, it shouldnt be a bad thing for us to make.

And actually, just the use to put our Penal Colonies to work on. (At least, the dirtside portions. The ocean side, that'll be handled by SeARMOR/IND units.)

Yes, we can have the proper facilities built soon. In the meantime, you'll need to continue planning..and you'll probably want to allocate lots more money towards construction..one ship alone'll cost you an arm and a leg.

The Ottoman Navy will buy one Curtis Fabus Class Battleship

for $25,000,000,000
Yes a new Flagship for the Ottoman Fleet.

We suggest you wait until we can modify the ships to make them feasible. The Curtis Fabus Class Battleship has proved less than satisfactory. We built 8 of them, while 1 was practice firing, the recoil made the ship keel over.

We've taken the other 7 back to the docks to refit them and heavily modify them. In 2-3 days real time the modifications will be done.

We'll give you 25% allied discount.

Side note (go to the parthia mobilizes thread, and RP your release of the 20 syrian terrorists that the group holding the premier son (the heir) want released in order to release him)

lol. Most nations build a prototype to test before going into full production.

The Ottoman Navy will buy one Curtis Fabus Class Battleship

for $25,000,000,000
Yes a new Flagship for the Ottoman Fleet.


Okay, but the ship will probably require 20-30 billion in modifications before it is operational. There is a 40% chance that firing the 36 inch guns will cause the ship to capsize. That is why you need to modify it.

How r u supposed to buy this crap? With imagenery money? And even if u do buy it what is the point there is no war on this site right

OOC: my suggestion would be to totally forget the massive guns as for a vessel big enough to carry those would be bigger than the Doujin and have almost zero ability to get anywhere. A folly is a fine Rp method but there is no possible way to biuld anything like what you desire. As a sugestion i would say stick with your original dispalcement of (IIRC): 140,000tons, which is very heavy and just about impractical in itself but not that off the deep end.
next reffer to CSJs rahter helpful refferance table for guns per size of vessel (looking only a tthe relavent section):

Displacement=115-130,000 tons
16" guns: 21
18" guns: 16
20" guns: 12

Displacement=140,000+ tons
18" guns: 21
20" guns: 16

Since you want lots of extras i would say we'll use the 115-130,000ton table

so for twelve main guns they are restricted to 20" guns however if you drop to 9 main guns you could proabably go for 22" guns which are still pratty nice, or you could make those 20" gun very long (say 60-62 calibre) giving whooping rnage and a very phallic symbolism (a 60 calibre 20" gun would have a barrel roughly 30m long).

My adive would be to go for 140,000tons displacement, 9 main guns either 22"/50s or 20"/60s possibly a secondary battery of say eight to ten 8" guns, a 64cell VLS or 2 and about 10 CIWS guns and say 6 CIWS missile systems.

but thats just me.

How r u supposed to buy this crap? With imagenery money? And even if u do buy it what is the point there is no war on this site right

You're an idiot, go away.

As a note, Shipboard railguns are a going concern right now, aka the US has one and has just finalized the design for a Destroyer with it, you may want to look at equiping your battleships with railguns, much longer range.

You also left out the armor belt, aka, the thickness of the armor on the battleship. The way it reads now, it dosn't seem to have any. That would be bad.

The AP-4W water powered reactor is old, clunky and underpowered, look at some of the new designs, there safer, smaller, require less people to watch and give off more power.
Just my suggestions

As a note, Shipboard railguns are a going concern right now, aka the US has one and has just finalized the design for a Destroyer with it, you may want to look at equiping your battleships with railguns, much longer range.

You also left out the armor belt, aka, the thickness of the armor on the battleship. The way it reads now, it dosn't seem to have any. That would be bad.

The AP-4W water powered reactor is old, clunky and underpowered, look at some of the new designs, there safer, smaller, require less people to watch and give off more power.
Just my suggestions


Okay, well I will need to RP armor won't I :)

I'm currently doing an overhaul with the ship.


A5W reactor?

For anybody who already bought a Curtis Fabus Class Battleship. We suggest that when you fire the main guns, you fire an equal number of similar caliber guns in the opposite direction, otherwise you're almost guaranteed that the ship will capsize. We are currently working on solutions to this problem. We have contracted outside help to fix the problem. We'll keep in touch, again we thank you for buying our ships and bearing with us during these trying times.

To the brave men of the MKM Bismarck who on a routine training exercise in the middle of the Atlantic when they fired all their main guns in the same direction and drowned when the ship promptly capsized. We shall never forget you.

The ship had a full crew.

Before accident
Ships Company: 4,708 (4,496 enlisted. 212 officers)
Marines: 120



Survivors
Ships Company: 891 (834 enlisted. 57 officers)
Marines 37

We suggest you wait until we can modify the ships to make them feasible. The Curtis Fabus Class Battleship has proved less than satisfactory. We built 8 of them, while 1 was practice firing, the recoil made the ship keel over.

We've taken the other 7 back to the docks to refit them and heavily modify them. In 2-3 days real time the modifications will be done.

We'll give you 25% allied discount.

Side note (go to the parthia mobilizes thread, and RP your release of the 20 syrian terrorists that the group holding the premier son (the heir) want released in order to release him)
I'll wait, IDF is designing a new BBGN to replace the Arizona class (which will still be made for escort) Our super battleship will rival Doujin and be for sale.

My question is, how does it compare to the 2200 meter Super-Dreadnought of my navy?

My question is, how does it compare to the 2200 meter Super-Dreadnought of my navy?

A 2200m long ship would either break in half due to hull stress, or, if you ever did manage to get it going, would have such high inertia that it would be practically impossible to stop. Also, I doubt a June nation would have sufficient funds to create such a ship.

Okay, but the ship will probably require 20-30 billion in modifications before it is operational. There is a 40% chance that firing the 36 inch guns will cause the ship to capsize. That is why you need to modify it.
20-30 Billion in modifications!agh.......I'll just lock up it in Dry-Dock at Istanbul.

20-30 Billion in modifications!agh.......I'll just lock up it in Dry-Dock at Istanbul.


Fabus Naval Yard Inc is willing to do the modifications for free since you purchased the ship and it has a 1 month warranty in the event that a horrible design flaw is found and it requires massive modifications, we'll do them free of charge.

but thats just me.
[OOC: I'd recommend at least looking seriously into Crookfur's recommendations as my observations on his posts about ship design are that he really knows his stuff. (Well, Doujin does too, but you've already had a run-in with him.) If someone like him, Freethinkers (who also really knows his stuff), or Isselmere make suggestions, it's probably a good idea to at least keep them in mind if you don't want your ships to be ignored in the NS world.

By the same token, if one of those folks (and I'll include Scandinavian States in spite of some occasionally "colorful" ways of expressing himself at times) says your design is good or has potential, then you've done something right. Praetonia is also showing that capability IMO.]

[OOC: I'd recommend at least looking seriously into Crookfur's recommendations as my observations on his posts about ship design are that he really knows his stuff. (Well, Doujin does too, but you've already had a run-in with him.) If someone like him, Freethinkers (who also really knows his stuff), or Isselmere make suggestions, it's probably a good idea to at least keep them in mind if you don't want your ships to be ignored in the NS world.

By the same token, if one of those folks (and I'll include Scandinavian States in spite of some occasionally "colorful" ways of expressing himself at times) says your design is good or has potential, then you've done something right. Praetonia is also showing that capability IMO.]

I am currently reading up on ship design and engines to get the sort of idea for how to modify my ship specs to make them more realistic.

I thank you for your advice.


You get a smiley face from me.

:)

bigger than the Doujin and have almost zero ability to get anywhere.





I don't mind if the ship is a massive hulking behemoth that takes 3 months to get from Mississippi to Libya, or wherever it would be going.

I want a ship that is gigantic. A ship that is imperial and godlike. A ship that is a testament to the power that is Mississippi.

A ship that cannot be sunk, well maybe if it hits an iceberg. No, that's the titanic, my ship will be better, and my ship will have armaments.

Oh hell. Everyone is so fascinated by super battleships.

I present to you a method that can take out the largest of battleship:

Nuclear SUBROC launched to a high trajectory, plummeting down on the ship.

Current CIWS systems have problems aiming at targets above due to the fact that the computer has trouble swivelling.

'course the more shit you stack on those things, the more SUBROC's I'd fire...but that's just me. :)

I don't mind if the ship is a massive hulking behemoth that takes 3 months to get from Mississippi to Libya, or wherever it would be going.

I want a ship that is gigantic. A ship that is imperial and godlike. A ship that is a testament to the power that is Mississippi.

A ship that cannot be sunk, well maybe if it hits an iceberg. No, that's the titanic, my ship will be better, and my ship will have armaments.

In other words, a big target. Might as well paint one on the side. For fun, I might just sink it. Just to burst your bubble. :-)

if you want to sink one, sink the DN Doujin. Whoever does that will get $1 trillion from me.

In other words, a big target. Might as well paint one on the side. For fun, I might just sink it. Just to burst your bubble. :-)


We have 7 "Curtis Fabus" Class Battleships already. We had 8 but one of them promptly capsized when it fired all its main guns at the same time in the same direction.

if you want to sink one, sink the DN Doujin. Whoever does that will get $1 trillion from me.


What would it take to sink it? If I sent 30-40 attack submarines would that do it? What about 1,000 Su-25s and 1,000 F-16Ds?


I need the specifications for his ship.

What would it take to sink it? If I sent 30-40 attack submarines would that do it? What about 1,000 Su-25s and 1,000 F-16Ds?


I need the specifications for his ship.
if you get by his outer ring of destroyers and escorts you can get it, the weakness is that it can't survive rail guns, nukes would be easy, but most people ignore nukes

No most people accept nukes they just ignore inapropriate use of nukes.

its a bit silly saying the Doujin is vunerable to rail guns as mountians tend to be vunerable to them too...


Communist Mississippi:
If you fancy biulding the greatest white elephant since the german super tanks of ww2 then go ahead but consider that a ship with the weapons you desire will likely be well over 1million tons and have sevre problems moveing in any but the deepest seas.

The hints i gave will biuld you a pretty spiffing heavy battleship/light dreadnought that will own most other surface combatants and above all will still be deployable so that you can actually show it off to people in far flung corners of the globe, plus it won't bankrupt you to biuld more than one...

Keep this in mind, you Super-battleship blinded fools:

Britain's smaller, faster ships beat the huge Spanish galleons.

Keep this in mind, you Super-battleship blinded fools:

Britain's smaller, faster ships beat the huge Spanish galleons.


Well we have lots of small fast ships. We want a few massive ships now.

the super battleships represent a small portion of a navy and are used for shore bombardment in most cases and only anti-ship against other super BBs as the smaller ships can't take them.

Since I forgot about this minor fact, I'd like to remind all those who say "YOUR NATION ISNT OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE HUGE SHIPS!" that theres alot more than merely a board date to go by. You must remember, Nations have been and always are being RESSURECTED. Such as mine. So, please, Praetonia, take a peek at my nation's actual page..you'll see I've got a much larger pop than you...which, since they managed to fix the population bug a long time ago....Means I'm much, much older a nation than you. January 2003, to be exact.

One more thing, since I'm rather forgetfull....

Keep this in mind, you Super-battleship blinded fools:

Britain's smaller, faster ships beat the huge Spanish galleons.

One special note....If your fleet is dependent upon super-ships entirely, yes, you will lose. The smaller, faster ships can tear you apart. But, if you have a handful of superships to be the core around which you form your Navy.....You've got a good, balanced force with one wicked uppercut.

Since I forgot about this minor fact, I'd like to remind all those who say "YOUR NATION ISNT OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE HUGE SHIPS!" that theres alot more than merely a board date to go by. You must remember, Nations have been and always are being RESSURECTED. Such as mine. So, please, Praetonia, take a peek at my nation's actual page..you'll see I've got a much larger pop than you...which, since they managed to fix the population bug a long time ago....Means I'm much, much older a nation than you. January 2003, to be exact.

Ok I admit that, but it takes about 10 minutes just to check now that you cant click on forum names and see the nation page. Anyway your 2,200m ship is still godmodding in my books.

Actually, its far from. I did alot of planning before deciding to go with it....its not built to be a fleet ship..its there to be a support platform. It doesnt need speed or manuverability-thats what the fleet is for. Its there to form the backbone of everything and support the fleet. And I can tell you that, with proper design, research, and application of advanced technology (After all, I may claim to be present day, but I've got plenty of future goodies and know-how), it CAN be done.

"After all, I may claim to be present day, but I've got plenty of future goodies and know-how"

Using future tech knowledge to make something you use in modren tech is godmodding.

My main complaint isnt that it would be unmaneuverable, it's that the ship would be so deep hulled it wouldnt be able to go within hundred of miles of a coast, the stresses on the hull would most likely snap it in half and once it's started you cant really stop it.

Considering that I've got a total science fiction base to work from here, I wouldnt call it godmoding. Unless you think its unfair that the entire basis for my nation, a Mercenary Outfit stranded in the past through a freak disaster (Which I am nearing the expansion upon the story of), is allowed to use what tech they were able to use and salvage.

As for hull snapping....Once again, Technology. Advanced Composites.

But I gather that, no matter what, my answer wont satisfy you. A pity, indeed. I'm not claiming to 'God-Mode", I'm not trying to 'take over the world' or be a 'noob' or a 'l337." I'm merely creating a story, kind of in the vein used by Eric Flint's 1632 series. Or do you think the Americans stuck back in time and then proceeding to apply their knowledge and technology against their enemies to be a form of "God-Moding?"

Listen to yourself for god's sake:

"Considering that I've got a total science fiction base to work from here, I wouldnt call it godmoding."

Note the words SCIENCE - FICTION.

"Or do you think the Americans stuck back in time and then proceeding to apply their knowledge and technology against their enemies to be a form of "God-Moding?"

Yes, because that is a BOOK.

People who play modern tech NationStates attempt to emulate their nation in a real life type situation within the confines of what is and what isnt realistic. I would say that time travel is impossible. I dont mean, it may be possible in the future, I mean it is impossible. Many prominent scientists would agree with me. Therefore I ignore your nation. Please stop arguing with me.

People who play modern tech NationStates attempt to emulate their nation in a real life type situation within the confines of what is and what isnt realistic.

They do? Thats news to me, and probably alot of other people.

But thats beside the point...Congratulations, youre the VERY FIRST 'modern' player to 'ignore' me! I should put you up fer a medal or somethin!

Sorry about accidentally hijacking your thread, CM. You can delete this extranious BS if y'd like, I wouldnt take offense.

the super battleships represent a small portion of a navy and are used for shore bombardment in most cases and only anti-ship against other super BBs as the smaller ships can't take them.

Shore bombardment by battleships is obsolete because of:

1. Shore defenses have been improved to the point that (assuming they are needed) they can hidden, miles away.

2. Battleships cannot achieve a very high trajectory such as missiles. This means battleship rounds can be blocked by terrain.

Battleships are horribly against other ships:

1. They can only fire their main guns in anger, meaning they have to close to about...100 miles or so. (Don't quote me, I'm horrible with Navy specs) Missiles can attack from over 200 miles away.

Of course, if you control your navy like an idiot and pull the battleships right next to their aircraft carrier, you could be successful.

Oh, provided they don't sink you two hundred miles out because you move so slowly and are so fucking large you have the radar signature of CANADA.

One more thing, since I'm rather forgetfull....



One special note....If your fleet is dependent upon super-ships entirely, yes, you will lose. The smaller, faster ships can tear you apart. But, if you have a handful of superships to be the core around which you form your Navy.....You've got a good, balanced force with one wicked uppercut.

Actually that only serves as a defensive fleet...not even.

First of all, the super ships are so massive they are as slow as stinking shit. The smaller ships would have to babysit them, idling along. This prevents them from being truly offensive.

The larger ships put out so much radar signature that a good, fast fleet with long range can engage them from hundreds of miles away.

What can the larger ships do to stop the attack? Pretty much nothing, as a battleship. Its guns can't reach that far.

So, if your admiral is good he'll try to get his smaller ships in range. What would I do then? Use my subs that I have sent after the radar signature days ago and finish off the big ships.

:)

Considering that I've got a total science fiction base to work from here, I wouldnt call it godmoding. Unless you think its unfair that the entire basis for my nation, a Mercenary Outfit stranded in the past through a freak disaster (Which I am nearing the expansion upon the story of), is allowed to use what tech they were able to use and salvage.

As for hull snapping....Once again, Technology. Advanced Composites.

But I gather that, no matter what, my answer wont satisfy you. A pity, indeed. I'm not claiming to 'God-Mode", I'm not trying to 'take over the world' or be a 'noob' or a 'l337." I'm merely creating a story, kind of in the vein used by Eric Flint's 1632 series. Or do you think the Americans stuck back in time and then proceeding to apply their knowledge and technology against their enemies to be a form of "God-Moding?"

Just as a note, "advanced composites" wouldn't do shit. Its just a godmoding term for not knowing what to do.

However, you could theoretically use what the U.S. mine counterships use. They have a wood hull, plated with a light metal. Makes it flexible, and thus any mines in close proximity that detonate have a smaller chance of cracking the hull, but a larger change of puncturing it.

Curtis Fabus Class Battleship

Builder: Fabus Naval Yards

Designation: BB-04

Cost: $25,000,000,000

Operation Cost per year: $1,000,000,000

Power Plant: Four Nuclear Power Plant (A4W Pressurized Water Reactor)
Eight shafts, Eight propellers, with five blades each.

Overall Length: 1,512 feet.

Displacement 112,052 tons

Speed: 30+ knots (34.5+ miles per hour)

Crew: Ship’s company: 4,708 (4,496 enlisted. 212 officers)
Marines: 120

Armament:
12: 36 inch guns in 4 triple turrets
9: 12 inch guns in 3 triple turrets
24: 6 inch guns in 8 triple turrets
24: Sea Sparrow launchers
12: Phalanx CIWS 20mm mounts
8: MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (96 Cells)
[Standard missile and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]
24:Standard Missile (MR)
36: Harpoon (from Standard Missile Launcher)
24: MK-46 torpedoes(from two MK 32 SVTT triple mounts)
24: 76 mm (3-inch)/62 caliber MK 75 rapid fire gun

Combat Systems:
SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
3 Mk91 Fire Control
SPS-49 Air Search Radar
SPS-67 Surface Search Radar
4 Mk37 Gun Fire Control
2 Mk38 Gun Direction
1 Mk40 Gun Director
1 SPQ-9 [BB-61]





http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/bb-62-1999-tow.jpg

You know, I finally got to reading these and I understand why Doujin was an asshole. ONE WORD: LMFAO

By the way, how many of these did you sell?

By the way, how many of these did you sell?


Less than 10.

CM currently has 7 Curtis Fabus Class Ships. We had 8, but one of them capsized when it fired all of its main guns at the same time in the same direction. The other 7 are currently being modified at a cost of about 40 billion per ship.

How does this look for a modified version?



Reduced weaponry, better power plant system. Comments? Suggestions?



Curtis Fabus Class Battleship

Builder: Fabus Naval Yards

Designation: BB-04A

Cost: $50,000,000,000

Operation Cost per year: $5,000,000,000

Power Plant: Eight Pebble Bed Reactors (CM-04A Pebble Bed Reactor using uranium carbide)
Sixteen shafts, sixteen propellers, with five blades each. 1,223,080 HP

Overall Length: 5,132 feet.

Overall Width: 1,907 feet.

Displacement 401,457 tons

Speed: 20 miles/hour = 17.37960 knots/hour

Crew: Ship’s company: 4,708 (4,496 enlisted. 212 officers)
Marines: 120

Armament:
9: 30 inch guns in 3 triple turrets
6: 12 inch guns in 2 triple turrets
8: 6 inch guns in 2 triple turrets
18: Sea Sparrow launchers
10: Phalanx CIWS 20mm mounts
4: MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (96 Cells)
[Standard missile and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]
12:Standard Missile (MR)
12: Harpoon (from Standard Missile Launcher)
12: MK-46 torpedoes(from MK 32 SVTT triple mounts)
24: 76 mm (3-inch)/62 caliber MK 75 rapid fire gun

Combat Systems:
SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
3 Mk91 Fire Control
SPS-49 Air Search Radar
SPS-67 Surface Search Radar
4 Mk37 Gun Fire Control
2 Mk38 Gun Direction
1 Mk40 Gun Director
1 SPQ-9 [BB-61]

How does this look for a modified version?



Reduced weaponry, better power plant system. Comments? Suggestions?



Curtis Fabus Class Battleship

Builder: Fabus Naval Yards

Designation: BB-04A

Cost: $50,000,000,000

Operation Cost per year: $5,000,000,000

Power Plant: Eight Pebble Bed Reactors (CM-04A Pebble Bed Reactor using uranium carbide)
Sixteen shafts, sixteen propellers, with five blades each. 1,223,080 HP

Overall Length: 5,132 feet.

Overall Width: 1,907 feet.

Displacement 401,457 tons

Speed: 20 miles/hour = 17.37960 knots/hour

Crew: Ship’s company: 4,708 (4,496 enlisted. 212 officers)
Marines: 120

Armament:
9: 30 inch guns in 3 triple turrets
6: 12 inch guns in 2 triple turrets
8: 6 inch guns in 2 triple turrets
18: Sea Sparrow launchers
10: Phalanx CIWS 20mm mounts
4: MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (96 Cells)
[Standard missile and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]
12:Standard Missile (MR)
12: Harpoon (from Standard Missile Launcher)
12: MK-46 torpedoes(from MK 32 SVTT triple mounts)
24: 76 mm (3-inch)/62 caliber MK 75 rapid fire gun

Combat Systems:
SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
3 Mk91 Fire Control
SPS-49 Air Search Radar
SPS-67 Surface Search Radar
4 Mk37 Gun Fire Control
2 Mk38 Gun Direction
1 Mk40 Gun Director
1 SPQ-9 [BB-61]

So it's longer than my Doujin, yet 1/1000th as powerful? :)

The BlackWolf Order: Firstly.. actually no, I'm not going to bother. 2200 meters? Ok.. although I do realize that from the descript you gave me, your ship seems underpowered compared to my Doujin which is less than a half the size of your vessel. And the correct term for a tripled hull vessel would be "Trimaran".

I had more, but I just don't have the heart to bother today.

I've settled on this as the final modifications of the Curtis Fabus Class. Any comments?


Curtis Fabus Class Battleship

Builder: Fabus Naval Yards

Designation: BB-04A

Cost: $50,000,000,000

Operation Cost per year: $5,000,000,000

Power Plant: Eight Pebble Bed Reactors (CM-04A Pebble Bed Reactor using uranium carbide)
Sixteen shafts, sixteen propellers, with five blades each. 1,223,080 HP

Overall Length: 3,671 feet.

Overall Width: 1,429 feet.

Displacement 573,818 tons

Speed: 15 miles/hour = 13.03470 knots/hour

Crew: Ship’s company: 4,708 (4,496 enlisted. 212 officers)
Marines: 120

Armament:
9: 30 inch guns in 3 triple turrets
6: 12 inch guns in 2 triple turrets
9: 6 inch guns in 3 triple turrets
18: Sea Sparrow launchers
10: Phalanx CIWS 20mm mounts
4: MK 41 Vertical Launching Systems (96 Cells)
[Standard missile and Tomahawk ASM/LAM]
12:Standard Missile (MR)
12: Harpoon (from Standard Missile Launcher)
12: MK-46 torpedoes (from MK 32 SVTT triple mounts)
24: 76 mm (3-inch)/62 caliber MK 75 rapid fire gun

Combat Systems:
SPS-48E 3-D air search radar
SPS-49(V)5 2-D air search radar
3 Mk91 Fire Control
SPS-49 Air Search Radar
SPS-67 Surface Search Radar
4 Mk37 Gun Fire Control
2 Mk38 Gun Direction
1 Mk40 Gun Director
1 SPQ-9 [BB-61]

ASRS-13 "All Seeing Eye" 3-D air search radar
AVUS-14 2-D "BoardGame" air search radar
10 Mk101 Fire Control
XNAS-32 "Mole" Surface Search Radar
1 Data Uplink to Network & AWACs
AHMS-03 Hull mounted Sonar
ADMS-14 towed array Sonar

Helicopters:
Standard: 20 SH-60 LAMPS MK III Seahawks (Can accommodate 20 of any helicopter)

8: 6 inch guns in 2 triple turrets

huh?

8: 6 inch guns in 2 triple turrets

huh?

Obviously a typo. Thank you for pointing it out

2 please :mp5:

2 please :mp5:


Send money, then 2 BB-04A Curtis Fabus Class (modified) will be sent to you asap.

Obviously a typo. Thank you for pointing it out

You're welcome.

Send money, then 2 BB-04A Curtis Fabus Class (modified) will be sent to you asap.



Its sent, and what do you mean "modified"

You're welcome.

:)

Its sent, and what do you mean "modified"

It means the design flaws inherent in the BB-04 first design were worked out and fixed, the BB-04A is free from design flaws.

Displacement is a little low.

Tonnage looks a bit ridiculous for the amount of shit you stacked.

And thus, the speed is far too high.

Tonnage looks a bit ridiculous for the amount of shit you stacked.

And thus, the speed is far too high.


Let me adjust it.

Fabus Naval Yard Inc is willing to do the modifications for free since you purchased the ship and it has a 1 month warranty in the event that a horrible design flaw is found and it requires massive modifications, we'll do them free of charge.
Ageed we are sent our ship for the modifications at Fabus Naval Yard.

Displacement needs to be jacked up a little more, speed is going to be greatly reduced. More along the lines of 12-15... mph..

Okay, how is that.

:)

So it's longer than my Doujin, yet 1/1000th as powerful? :)


Well, like I said, only 2 32" guns, the rest being 18" and 16" inchers, as well as a heavy emphasis on Anti-Aircraft defense. The visible threat of the ship is it's size and guns...but the invisible bit is that it's a SeARMOR carrier--basically, single-man powered suits that work like minisubs, except lightly armored and pretty decently armed. Great for anti-ship operations..among other things. Thats why the thing is so big...and I've got only four ships total around this size, with the rest of my fleet being all Light Cruisers and smaller...Thats my form of balancing this all out....Might be insanely strong in one area, but theres always an equal and opposite area of weakness.

Well, like I said, only 2 32" guns, the rest being 18" and 16" inchers, as well as a heavy emphasis on Anti-Aircraft defense. The visible threat of the ship is it's size and guns...but the invisible bit is that it's a SeARMOR carrier--basically, single-man powered suits that work like minisubs, except lightly armored and pretty decently armed. Great for anti-ship operations..among other things. Thats why the thing is so big...and I've got only four ships total around this size, with the rest of my fleet being all Light Cruisers and smaller...Thats my form of balancing this all out....Might be insanely strong in one area, but theres always an equal and opposite area of weakness.

OOC: LIke I said, so it's as long as my Doujin yet 1/1000th as powerful? :)

OOC: LIke I said, so it's as long as my Doujin yet 1/1000th as powerful? :)


Occ- Did I mention it has the ability to fire Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological weaponry.

We'll take one.
*$ 25 Billion is wired to CM*

Paine
Defence Minister
Republic of Sevaris

We'll take one.
*$ 25 Billion is wired to CM*

Paine
Defence Minister
Republic of Sevaris

Sale denied, sorry, but you might use it against my mercenary fleet operating under the command of other nations.

Your money is returned.

Come again later.

Crap. We fully understand. We'll just rush production of the new Liberator-class battleship.

Crap. We fully understand. We'll just rush production of the new Liberator-class battleship.



Also the ship has been edited. Check for the edits done.

OOC: LIke I said, so it's as long as my Doujin yet 1/1000th as powerful? :)


...Well..Um....uh....Drat. I suppose we're not in the same timeperiod, so I dont have to worry about that thing...do I?

Okay, how is that.

:)

Reasonable....but I'm no expert.

Good as time of any to make the announcement:

Rulian Embassy in ARSB, 0400 Zulu
Official Communique

The United Socialist States of Communist Rule official impose a trade embargo on the nation of Communist Mississippi. No products will be bought from this nation or sold to this nation. It shall not benefit from a trade. Any monetary connections to this nation have been frozen. Any CM assets in the USSCR have been seized by the government. That is all.

Good as time of any to make the announcement:

Rulian Embassy in ARSB, 0400 Zulu
Official Communique

The United Socialist States of Communist Rule official impose a trade embargo on the nation of Communist Mississippi. No products will be bought from this nation or sold to this nation. It shall not benefit from a trade. Any monetary connections to this nation have been frozen. Any CM assets in the USSCR have been seized by the government. That is all.

Well I'm glad we never traded together and I have no assests in your nation. :)

I'm going to do you one further. You are prohibited from using the Suez Canal. In addition to a full embargo against you. Also any ships whose final destination is a port you own, will be turned away from Suez Canal. We won't allow trade goods to get to you through 3rd parties.

That is all. :)

I can choose not to obey that, because you never officially divided the land in my presence and/or knowledge.

I can also choose to do so, assuming the Suez is still in the Ottoman Alliances' hands, because you only battled NPCs.

However, I'll let it slide. Mostly because I have no need for the Suez.

I can choose not to obey that, because you never officially divided the land in my presence and/or knowledge.

I can also choose to do so, assuming the Suez is still in the Ottoman Alliances' hands, because you only battled NPCs.

However, I'll let it slide. Mostly because I have no need for the Suez.


Technically Parthia has the suez canal. But he will deny its use to anybody I need it denied to. (He is a good and loyal ally)

Just as I will deny Libyan oil to anybody he needs it denied to.

My point remains. Incidentally, I throw caviar in your general direction.

Parthia(He is a good and loyal ally)

OOC: In other words, he's your little bitch. =/ 'scuse the harsh words, but that's how best I put it.

OOC: In other words, he's your little bitch. =/ 'scuse the harsh words, but that's how best I put it.


No, in other words, we are allies and we help each other out. Allies do that you know.

"Harsh words" are the sign of a mind that can seldom find an alternative to crude and rude terms.

And yet that was, I believe, the first time I've used a curse word here outside of IC. Interesting. Your buddy, CL, is different.