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In here from now on please.

maybe we should make a comic in advance and see how close we are to being correct?

He's going to get raped and I'm sorely tempted to help.

He's going to get raped and I'm sorely tempted to help.

Nope, he's going to get thrown into the Wookie Room and he'll get sodomized.

I won't help him.

I won't help him.

I thought you would o-o what happened?

I don't think any alliance would help in this case... Alliances are about defense, not suicide...

I thought you would o-o what happened?
He didn't give a good reason for attacking and he expected people would just jump in and help him.

And I am satisfied the DT thing is resolved.

I can't help him even if I wanted to...after all he ignored me...

hands out popcorna dn flash protective sunglasses

Missile satellites Allanea? Let's not start with that crap now, that falls under the same category as ortillery.

Missile satellites Allanea? Let's not start with that crap now, that falls under the same category as ortillery.

In addition to that, if there were 100 satellites over AMF... I'm sure he'd have noticed their movements a long time before your bombers made their run. Moving 100 satellites across the Earth over a country is something we all would notice.

In addition to that, if there were 100 satellites over AMF... I'm sure he'd have noticed their movements a long time before your bombers made their run. Moving 100 satellites across the Earth over a country is something we all would notice.


No shit, considering there are several large space nations in APTO. But if he wants to play that, I'll switch over to Skager, call in Atlantian Outcasts and Sketch and ortillerize his nation into dust.

I don't play that noob shit, but if that's the road you want to go down Allanea.....

What is the APTO?

Parthians, what is your stance?

What is the APTO?

The Allied Powers Treaty Organization, the region "The Allied Powers".

Parthians, what is your stance?


I am supportive of AMF against the terrorist nation of Allanea.

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Now I remember why I don't come over here unless there is a Klatchian Thread...

OOC: Really but why does this seem like Olympus with the little people? With Allenea in the role of Gnetch the annoying sour candy maker from the lolly-pop guild who just took a piss on Olympus favorite toga screaming "Free Willy".

Everyone knows what the impending smackdown is going to look like...

I originally thought Allanea was a good RPer. This is just turning into a crock. Magically "blinking" in a hundred bombers (with two hundred fighters) escort and satellites into orbit and all onto AMF without detection?

This is a crock. However, AMF, you make the next move and we'll follow your lead.

I originally thought Allanea was a good RPer. This is just turning into a crock. Magically "blinking" in a hundred bombers (with two hundred fighters) escort and satellites into orbit and all onto AMF without detection?

This is a crock. However, AMF, you make the next move and we'll follow your lead.

I know, but I accepted the bomber thing for the sake of not starting a flame war in the first post. But magically having 100 missile satellites over my country is indeed a crock, I don't care who you are.

Um, this is just to clarify something becuase I can't quite fit you into this list unless I'm missing something AMF...


All Ali'staan Accord nations
All Mars nations
All Arda nations,
Edolia
Feline
Belem
Credonia
Ermor
Fantasan
Goobergunchia
All Democratic Underground Nations
Rejistania
Central Facehuggeria
Hattia


I didn't think the Allied Powers were on Mars...
Or are they considered part of Arda...
and whatever the bloody hell that Accords thing is doesn't sound like you AMF...

I noticed that list as well. If I wanted to I could use that as a reason to ignore him because Allanea said he will not RP with anyone that isn't on that list. But I didn't puss out, and because of that I've got 300+ friggin aircraft and 100 missile satellites thrown into my space without being able to do jack squat about it. I could ignore this RP, but then people like Whittier will continue to go around spouting that I ignore any "legit" (even though this really isn't) attack and only fight against noobs.

So this is a "damned if I do, damned if I don't" type situation.

Tell ya'll what, I'm going to concentrate on some real RP's for the time being, until this either gets resolved in some manner or ignored.

Um, this is just to clarify something becuase I can't quite fit you into this list unless I'm missing something AMF...



I didn't think the Allied Powers were on Mars...
Or are they considered part of Arda...
and whatever the bloody hell that Accords thing is doesn't sound like you AMF...

Well I have a major starbase over Mars... so I guess there's some kind of APTO presence there, even if indirectly.

Whittier's a god- wait, I already got warned for that once today, so I won't say it again. Anyway, you can't say I didn't warn you about these tendencies of his. I wonder if Allanea realizes that the expensive part of an ICBM is the warhead, not the disposable rocket. There's no way in hell he could afford 1,000 ECM warheads, and even if he could I doubt he even knows how to shield against micrometeors and other small debris that would pretty much destroy his ubersattelites.

Tell ya'll what, I'm going to concentrate on some real RP's for the time being, until this either gets resolved in some manner or ignored.

Well, if you want some nice old character RP that doesn't involve insane violence, you still got my offer man XD

I noticed that list as well. If I wanted to I could use that as a reason to ignore him because Allanea said he will not RP with anyone that isn't on that list. But I didn't puss out, and because of that I've got 300+ friggin aircraft and 100 missile satellites thrown into my space without being able to do jack squat about it. I could ignore this RP, but then people like Whittier will continue to go around spouting that I ignore any "legit" (even though this really isn't) attack and only fight against noobs.

So this is a "damned if I do, damned if I don't" type situation.

So he has ignored his own ignore list then?

Which says that I should be able to launch some 80 of my high altitude bombers in the South Pacific and return his little bombing run in kind. And he can't complain since my tech is below his. Or start to randomly attack his shipping fleet with my naval "hunting" groups...Oh what joy can I drop on his little pleb a** *evil laugh* I wonder if he knows what happens when you drop a bunker buster on an oil feild...

edit: too damn long typing...but good idea just to walk away AMF...I like the thread with the Revers...

Okay. There seems to be a lot of confusion about what APTO really is. So... Let's summarise here as best I can.

• APTO is not an "alliance", it is a region called "The Allied Powers"

• There is intense speculation, however, it seems the only "legitimate" region wide rule in APTO is no attacking a fellow member and cowardly attacking someone then hiding behind APTO for defense (regional umbrella defense)

• Because APTO is a region and not an alliance per se (as such), individual nations are "encouraged", but not forced, to begin alliances with other members (but can ignore but not attack them).

• Because APTO is a region and not an alliance per se, member nations can join whatever alliances and treaties they choose. I won't list any alliances as I don't know any. For example, I'm a member of the Ur Trade Pact, even if that is a bit defunct.

• APTO has no entry requirements, save what I wrote in the second and third points. Earthbound APTO nations "generally" all reside in the same physical geographical region (which is generally speculated as having been "central Pacific", though this has never been made clear). Spacebound APTO nations can range from Earth orbit to very far like Atlantian Outcasts who's far away and my colony, Magnia, which is pretty well on the far side of the galaxy.

That's about all the points I can come up with for now. Anymore questions/clarifications?

Whittier's a god- wait, I already got warned for that once today, so I won't say it again. Anyway, you can't say I didn't warn you about these tendencies of his. I wonder if Allanea realizes that the expensive part of an ICBM is the warhead, not the disposable rocket. There's no way in hell he could afford 1,000 ECM warheads, and even if he could I doubt he even knows how to shield against micrometeors and other small debris that would pretty much destroy his ubersattelites.
I am? Cool.

So he has ignored his own ignore list then?

Which says that I should be able to launch some 80 of my high altitude bombers in the South Pacific and return his little bombing run in kind. And he can't complain since my tech is below his. Or start to randomly attack his shipping fleet with my naval "hunting" groups...Oh what joy can I drop on his little pleb a** *evil laugh* I wonder if he knows what happens when you drop a bunker buster on an oil feild...

edit: too damn long typing...but good idea just to walk away AMF...I like the thread with the Revers...
Well, I don't exactly have an ignore list.
But you haven't exactly seen me and AMF interacting directly now have you.

I am? Cool.

Don't misconstrue that, I didn't finish the word, much less the sentence. As I said, I've been warned already for saying earlier what I intended to say to you but didn't want to give the mods an excuse to ban me.

Don't misconstrue that, I didn't finish the word, much less the sentence. As I said, I've been warned already for saying earlier what I intended to say to you but didn't want to give the mods an excuse to ban me.
?? Ban you for what?

I don't understand the whole situational ignore.

"Hm. I think I'll ignore you until it's convenient and I can meddle in your affairs, even if it is Indirectly."

That's bullshit and piss poor roleplaying. If you're gonna ignore, then stick to your guns and stay the fuck out of their threads. Seems simple to me. There are alot of people here at NS to RP with, and the ten or so on my ignore list are probably beneath my notice anyway, so I can afford to steer clear of those idiots without hurting my chances for RP.

Manipulating things behinds the scenes is a violation of the ooc 'ignore agreement' which is exactly that: You have ignored me, I ignore you, which means that regardless of wether or not you like me, I don't exist so you shouldn't be plotting on me, I will return the favor, and forget you ever existed.

I get confused by shit like this.

And I'll continue here by addressing Twist's last OOC post in the other thread.

Twist wrote:

OCCAMF was 2 scared to even come in becaues the amount of nations in there with Power Inlucing Nations like Russian Forces

I think AMF's problem was just that: Too many nations. I don't mind taking on large alliances, I doubt AMF does either. However, I do mind getting into an RP with a few nations and suddenly they're ranting about their '123465454656 nation alliance of uberness'. I hate that more than anything else here at NS. I try to steer clear of my own tail of lapdogs, as most 'high-profile' players seem to build, yet it seems other nations seek out and embrace them. It confuses me. I would rather rely on my own RP talent than sheer weight of numbers provided by a faceless alliance of puppets. From what I've seen Whittier is the worst one about things like this. 'The Whittier Pact of XXXXX amount of nations is allied with {INSERT DISGUSTINGLY LONG LIST OF ALLIANCES HERE} and they will all be mobilizing NOW.'

Bleh. Get some talent RPing and leave your super alliances at the door. I'm not here for a popularity contest, or to see how many boot lickers you guys {amf included} can accumulate. I don't care about that at all. What I do care about is quality RPing. If it was well RP'd I would enjoy every second of a brutally crushing defeat. Why? Because you don't win at NS, and I hold no delusions that I could. I'm here to write, to interact with a few other Roleplayers, and to create an evolving, dynamic storyline.

RPing a defeat by stellar tactics would be a blast. RPing a defeat by a 300 nation alliance who all post '200 carriers otw.' and call that RP is a crock of shit, and I don't understand how it could be enjoyable to anyone at all.

Word. [/rant]

First Whitter I was refering to Allanea and not you...as you didn't publish an ignore list and then ignore the ignore list.

Pantera I agree to a point. There are some silly things people do that I just 'soft ignore' (come up with a reason why Alcona and Hubris doesn't give a damn about it. examples: we think your lying, it's actually made of cardboard isn't it? )

But when I hard ignore someone, then they don't exist. Of course everyone on my ignore list is long since dead...except for good old Melkor.

You know, I am supposed to KNOW about there being such a thread? As in, someone, should OMG T-GRAM me about it.

You know what? I'm not going to talk about those sats. Nevermind nobody had a problem with them when they were launched. Nevermind the various counter-detection technology and all that. Never mind that there's like, what, thousands of sattelites in the sky of the NS world and you would have trouble tracking one - especially ECM protected - sat accross the sky. Nevermind.

Ignores his own attack

I'll just go and make a new one. :evil:

Whittier's a god- wait, I already got warned for that once today, so I won't say it again.

Godmodder is not a flame. Godmodding bitch is a flame, no matter how true it may be in this case.

I'll watch the thread carefully but I won't be posting on it since I've got my own matters to attend to and I'm not on AMF's RP radar screen.

You know the best thing about Jolt? You can privately make your own IGNORE list and people's threads simply won't show up. It's all very convenient, but I imagine with Allanea's "short list" it would ruin RP, such as what Allanea does could be called RP. The fact that Allanea didn't tediously put every person who wasn't on his list on IGNORE shows that he never had any intention to follow it, which shows him to be the hypocrit he is.

Uhhh, with NS that would be a bit time consuming S.S. but I do agree, at least in principle, to what you are saying.

I think he got annoyed by the massive ignoring of his oil deposits and thew a fit. Then when that went over poorly, he well ignored that thread as well.

Godmodder is not a flame. Godmodding bitch is a flame, no matter how true it may be in this case.

According to Cog it's merely flamebait, which I suppose is his own way of acknowledging the truth of the statement. Still, I didn't finish the sentence and I wish you wouldn't have done it for me, I had every intention of leaving him in the dark because I didn't want to start anything.
/me damns Sarzonia with a trout doused in Holy Water and then blesses him

According to Cog it's merely flamebait, which I suppose is his own way of acknowledging the truth of the statement. Still, I didn't finish the sentence and I wish you wouldn't have done it for me, I had every intention of leaving him in the dark because I didn't want to start anything.
/me damns Sarzonia with a trout doused in Holy Water and then blesses him

Since I'm not on his list of countries he doesn't ignore, I really don't care if he gets all snitty with ME. He can't get snitty with YOU because you didn't finish the sentence.

If he tries to RP a war against me, I'll ignore it because according to his list, he is ignoring me.

If it was well RP'd I would enjoy every second of a brutally crushing defeat. Why? Because you don't win at NS, and I hold no delusions that I could. I'm here to write, to interact with a few other Roleplayers, and to create an evolving, dynamic storyline.

RPing a defeat by stellar tactics would be a blast. RPing a defeat by a 300 nation alliance who all post '200 carriers otw.' and call that RP is a crock of shit, and I don't understand how it could be enjoyable to anyone at all.

Word. [/rant]

I agree to an extent. I hate to lose at anything, but I don't mind a well-RP'd loss in which there isn't numberwanking or godmodding.

One of my most rewarding RP experiences was my loss in a naval exercise to Feazanthia. I came away from that with valuable RP experience and from the looks of it, Feazanthia's respect in my naval knowledge and my RP abilities.

Personally, I don't mind losses as long as they don't result in the total destruction of my nation. If there is some wiggle room, such that a resistance/occupation RP is possible, I'm all for it.

But if it's more like "I move my 999999666999999991 tanks into your nation! They killzor all your people, Die!!!" then I'd just ignore it. That doesn't look like good RPing in my book.

(Or, "OMG I use my Deth Star/Nuva Torpdoe/Ortillery on j00!!! J00 planet die! I win!" for that matter.)

Basically, what I'm saying here is that RPs which give both sides a chance to actually RP are more rewarding than an RP where one side goes in and kills everything due to OMG Stelth or other 'advantages.'

Hence why if I ever got into a tussel with a modern nation, I would restrict my future forces as much as possible. No ortillery for me. :P

http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showtopic=1026 - Allanean military. Note it's significantly small than the AMF forces.

Dude, never mind AMF's military, it's smaller than mine. Mind you, I don't think I have the sheer number of people, but I rely on technology and tactics to get the job done, not mob rushes. It's too bad you castrated yourself, it might have been a decent fight, but now it's just going to be a massacre of your forces.

Mob rushes? You know, I changed my tactics since I fought you. If you notice, there' now far more specialized tools, weapons, and aircraft. Note that despite having a smaller military, I have more aircraft and tanks than AMF. :)

You know, I am supposed to KNOW about there being such a thread? As in, someone, should OMG T-GRAM me about it.

You know what? I'm not going to talk about those sats. Nevermind nobody had a problem with them when they were launched. Nevermind the various counter-detection technology and all that. Never mind that there's like, what, thousands of sattelites in the sky of the NS world and you would have trouble tracking one - especially ECM protected - sat accross the sky. Nevermind.

Ignores his own attack

I'll just go and make a new one. :evil:

Perhaps I (along with alot of other players) never got a chance to see such threads?

But anyways, nobody in their right mind is going to allow 100 missile launchin satellites to magically appear over their nation wihtout warning. Allanea, you act like I NO ability to detect threats and you act like you can pull shit out of your ass on a whim and I just have to go with the flow.

Sorry, if you want to fight me, then fight me with your armies, not your noobie satellites.

AMF, relax. I just did that.

ooc: AMF, do you plan to try to intercept the 6 Subs, or can I continue with my RP?

Look at this map Allanea. TELL ME WHERE YOU ATTACKED, you have failed to menion so already.

Anything military that could have been acccessible to Tomhawk-type missiles on the Eastern side of the island, with emphasis on airfields. If such are inavailable, naval assets were targeted.

EXACT LOCATION PLEASE.

ALso, you'd have to get fairly close to my island for you to launch Tomahawks, and it's totally unlikely you'd be able to get close enough to do so without me noticing. Stop playing this "I'm superior and you can't detect me" crap. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here in accepting your attack, becasue in order to do you'd have to slip past Pantera and New Genoa. I don't think they'd miss something as large as 300 aircraft. Use your head.

I do not know, actually, the range of a Tomahawk. What I mean is that long-range cruise missiles are used, like the Samson (range 3,000 km, mind you) or the Tomahawk (which has about 500 km range, which is still significant), striking targets on your shore.

Obviously, I don't have the exact location of your military facilities OOC, but my generals would, IC.

Umm, the Tomahawk has more than a 500km range, more like a 1600 kilometer range. Anyway, it matters not. And how many tanks do you have? This is just idle curiosity.

There's a damn key on the map, try reading it. @_@

I don't understand the whole situational ignore.

"Hm. I think I'll ignore you until it's convenient and I can meddle in your affairs, even if it is Indirectly."

That's bullshit and piss poor roleplaying. If you're gonna ignore, then stick to your guns and stay the fuck out of their threads. Seems simple to me. There are alot of people here at NS to RP with, and the ten or so on my ignore list are probably beneath my notice anyway, so I can afford to steer clear of those idiots without hurting my chances for RP.

Manipulating things behinds the scenes is a violation of the ooc 'ignore agreement' which is exactly that: You have ignored me, I ignore you, which means that regardless of wether or not you like me, I don't exist so you shouldn't be plotting on me, I will return the favor, and forget you ever existed.

I get confused by shit like this.
There's an ooc ignore?
All of mine have been only IC ignores. I thought those were the only ignores there were.

According to Cog it's merely flamebait, which I suppose is his own way of acknowledging the truth of the statement. Still, I didn't finish the sentence and I wish you wouldn't have done it for me, I had every intention of leaving him in the dark because I didn't want to start anything.
/me damns Sarzonia with a trout doused in Holy Water and then blesses him
I haven't even entered the conflict IC, and I'm a godmoder?
Illogical.

EMP (Eletro Magnetic Pulse) weapons don't kill people, they only fry electrical circuits.

But if you are talking about the electron bomb (yes it exists and America has a couple of them as do the Russians), then people get killed but everything else is left intact. Basically, it doesn't explode, it releases a flood of deadly electrons that kills all living things near by, but leaves inorganic stuff untouched. Kind of like being doused with deadly cosmic radiation.

You can get around EMP by turning off your stuff when see it coming toward your nation. Then turning them back on once the EMP has gone off.


Both a pretty expensive though.

Actually, if you just make your systems redundant, then things should be ok, for the most part. As you can see, I did the same thing, but when someone launches 250 fighters, you're pretty much owned.

Oh, and they're neutron bombs.

Actually, if you just make your systems redundant, then things should be ok, for the most part. As you can see, I did the same thing, but when someone launches 250 fighters, you're pretty much owned.

Oh, and they're neutron bombs.

Its the same thing.

I know, but you can't really do that all the time. So instead, make a backup system, and have that one off.

There's an ooc ignore?
All of mine have been only IC ignores. I thought those were the only ignores there were.

Of course an ignore is an out of character action. InCharacter there is no way that saying,"That's bullshit dude, This RP is over and you go on 'the list'. AKA the Ignore List." And have it work. Ignoring someone is you, the player, deciding OOCly that you don't want to bother roleplaying with someone anymore, so you refuse to aknowledge their IC existance period.

I guess you could ICly decide to not aknowledge someone as a sovereign entity, but that's not an 'ignore' as I've always understood it, and a different matter altogether.

I see a distinct difference in the IC/OOC aspects of an ignore.

I know, but you can't really do that all the time. So instead, make a backup system, and have that one off.
It would increase your costs to have duplicates of everything.

Of course an ignore is an out of character action. InCharacter there is no way that saying,"That's bullshit dude, This RP is over and you go on 'the list'. AKA the Ignore List." And have it work. Ignoring someone is you, the player, deciding OOCly that you don't want to bother roleplaying with someone anymore, so you refuse to aknowledge their IC existance period.

I guess you could ICly decide to not aknowledge someone as a sovereign entity, but that's not an 'ignore' as I've always understood it, and a different matter altogether.

I see a distinct difference in the IC/OOC aspects of an ignore.

All of my ignores have been only against the IC.
Only in extreme circumstances do I ignore OOC posts (when someone gets really abusive).

No, Whittier, ignoring ICly is not ignoring IC posts, it's refusing to acknowledge a nation's government. For instance, several nations can refuse to acknowledge the legitamacy of Australia...(it's possible, not likely)

However, they can't just ignore him as Pantera said, and have them disappear in their world.

Unless I am misunderstanding you?

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Melkor, again: I ignore all ground-launched kinetic missiles as missiles at this speed would reach escape velocity. I will acknowledge such missiles only assuming they are orbital launched. For example:

IC: The ground in Allanea shakes as thousands of orbital launched kintetic damage impact the ground. The Allanean Arms central oil refinery is obliterated, and 50,000 Alllaneans are killed. Also, all of Allanea's RT-1707s craft are obliterate. The missiles also hit and destroy several small villages, probably due to faulty Melkorian intelligence efforts.
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- from the IC thread.

Allanea - is this distinction even worth the fuss?!

Allanea,

This is quite possibly the biggest waste of time since my war with Fascist White States. There is no way in hell I'm going to waste my time with someone who it going to pick and choose his damages and ignore/unignore stuff for his own benefit.

Either do a quick 180 for I will ignore cannon your ass. Everyone on IRC is telling me to just ignore you, but I'm giving you one last chance. You attacked me, now you're going to get your ass stomped. Deal with it.

No, Whittier, ignoring ICly is not ignoring IC posts, it's refusing to acknowledge a nation's government. For instance, several nations can refuse to acknowledge the legitamacy of Australia...(it's possible, not likely)

However, they can't just ignore him as Pantera said, and have them disappear in their world.

Unless I am misunderstanding you?

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- from the IC thread.

Allanea - is this distinction even worth the fuss?!

Wait, what's the difference?

"

ground-launched kinetic missiles
no way any one can have those. Do you realize how much force and energyyou would need? for them to work.
THe orbital ones alone are based on them falling from so far up in the sky as such high speeds. Gravity is helping you
On the ground gravity works against you.

IC ignore:

Zoogiedom refuses to recognize the government of Sephrioth (much like some nations refuse to recognize the government of Israel)

OOC ignore:

Sephrioth nukes Zoogiedom; Zoogiedom ignores and Sephrioth physically disappears from my world.

Not a lot, really. RAND corporation proposed them in the '50s. They're like ICBMs, but they would have either activated a second stage of rocket engines to push a high density rod, or dispense several rocket assisted high density rods down to earth, with a ceramic covering like on a space shuttle.

To answer Whittier's edit: Here's the novel concept: The missiles go into orbit, and then drop the KE packages or dive to do so. ICBMs can do so. Why cant KE missiles?

IC ignore:

Zoogiedom refuses to recognize the government of Sephrioth (much like some nations refuse to recognize the government of Israel)

OOC ignore:

Sephrioth nukes Zoogiedom; Zoogiedom ignores and Sephrioth physically disappears from my world.
So which type of ignore is that AMF and RF and DT are doing?

Alright, here's the deal with those missiles. The whole "they'd fly out of orbit" thing has been discussed at length, often until both parties were thoroughly blue in the face. I obviously am of the school of thought that says it works, and here's how:

Step one, I launch them and they fire like normal ICBMs except on a much higher arc. Then, When they reach the highest point on their path, another motor fires to rocket them downwards towards their target. They keep this up until they hit something solid, at which point they're going at least 11.2 kilometers per second and probably more around thirty to sixty. You could wank it up to 60 kps, but it depends on how fast you can get the projectile to go before it all burns off in the atmosphere or reaches terminal velocity.

You throw a ball into the air at a given speed. It goes up, stops for a split second, then falls back down. All the energy you put into it (throwing) got sapped away by gravity (which makes it stop) over a given distance. The distance and the time traveled doesn't change, so when it falls back down, gravity adds energy back to it at the same rate it took it away previously. Ball lands going at the same speed as you threw it. In this case, you're throwing a ball into the air (launching an ICBM from a tube), it goes up, stops for a moment, then fires a rocket motor as it comes back down. It lands going a lot faster than when it started, because it now has two forces acting on it--gravity pulling and the rocket pushing.

Saying it travels at a c-fractional is something of a misnomer, I'm told. Apparently c-frac speeds are only possible under certain circumstances, the particulars of which are not clearly known to me.

An IC ignore is also sort of like how DU refuses to recognize Great Bight et al. as the legitimate government of the North Pacific (for an NS example).

I ignore all ground-launched kinetic missiles as missiles at this speed would reach escape velocity.Maybe they're like ICBMs with heavy metal KE warheads instead of nuclear warheads. I took too long making this post.
There is no way in hell I'm going to waste my time with someone who it going to pick and choose his damages and ignore/unignore stuff for his own benefit.Not knowing Allanea's tech standards, I'm guessing his problem with the kinetic missiles is that he sees them as impossible and wants to be realistic.
I'm already ignoring his EMP bullshit.What's wrong with EMP weapons?

/Thought he might be able to help salvage the RP

Not knowing Allanea's tech standards, I'm guessing his problem with the kinetic missiles is that he sees them as impossible and wants to be realistic.

Realistic?!?!? This is Allanea we're talking about. I'm not going to explain what happened. Read the IC thread.


What's wrong with EMP weapons?

What's wrong with kinetic missiles, hm? I've taken damage from them no problem when Melkor used them on me almost a year ago. Allanea chose to ignore them so he wouldn't take the damage, so I ignored his EMP. Simple as that.

The difference Whittier is that in the first example (IC Ignore) you know they exist in a IC sense, but you don't recognise their government or care what they are doing. Your characters are ignoring their nation.

Example: Iuthia doesn't get involved with Sino because they are a long distance away and they are deplorable scum. (I.C opinion, Sino is a reasonable RPer)


In the second example (OOC ignore) you the player do not recognise their existance in the NS universe and refuse to RP with them at all. Your characters don't even know their nation exists.

Example: Iuthia ignores Iron Blood because he never wants to RP with him as he has no interest in RPing and only sticks around to anoy most of the other RPers.

/Thought he might be able to help salvage the RP

I hope so too. I was having a blast, and I'm probably gonna pitch a screaming cursing fit at EVERYFUCKINGONE if it gets retconned.

This is Allanea we're talking about.I've never RPed with, or read an RP by (that I remember), Allanea.
Read the IC thread.Okay, I'll re-read it.
What's wrong with kinetic missiles, hm?Nothing in my opinion.
Allanea chose to ignore them so he wouldn't take the damage, so I ignored his EMP. Simple as that.Ah.

But I don't even care anymore. I'm just going to move forward.

Umm...I was wondering. There are supposed to be other fleets helping me out over at Allanea right? Where are they? I've got Allanean fleets and Artitsan planes going at me.

I'm pretty sure New Empire is near you, but at any rate me, Pantera, and Melkor are closing in fast.

Yeah....I misread that. I thought those were Allanean for some reason. But now I see that they are New Empire. My internet went down for a little bit there, so I was skimming what had happened in my absence.

Well I'm an idiot, I commited an attack (from northwest heading southeast) of only medium level bombers and no fighter escort... AMF, they're basically under your control ("guidance", that is), so where you need water thrown onto the fire, direct my planes in that direction.

Okay... I'm not following. Did Allanea retreat and/or are we attacking his homeland? What's going on now?

Sigma Octavius, this is pretty much all I'll be doing this RP, since I don't want Artitsa destroyed. Im currently resisting the urge to send every Sub I have and just ruckas all fleets :D

Hmph. You know, I tried to get in, but, at the moment, this is one of the most retarded things I've seen. I'm not sure what of mine I can or cannot use, sooo...

I am going to try and edit and delete my post of the attacks and crap, I do not want to get involved. If I cannot delete it, ignore it.

I don't join the actual conflict proper because, quite frankly, AMF does not need any more assistance dealing with Allanea.

[tag]

**watches and has a good chuckle**

I do believe I've deployed the Aegir Fleet and 5 Battlefleets against Allanea from Doujinshia.

Aegir Fleet
5 Doujin Class Flagship
1 Lunar Class Aircraft Carrier
2 Infusion Class Aircraft Carrier
4 Leviathon Class Battleships
5 Thunder Child Class Mk.2 Refit Battleships
5 Warspite Class SSGN
15 Astron Class SSN(Fast Attack Sub)
10 Tigershark Class AOE
10 River CLass AOE
10 Clan Grant Class AOE
10 Norasia Class AOE
25 Centaur Class DDG
10 Meteora Class DDG
10 Mackensen Class BBs
30 Broadsword Class Frigates
7 Africa Class Minesweeper/layer
7 Saviour Class Medical Ship

5 Battlefleets
1 Lunar Class Aircraft Carrier
1 Thunder Child Class Mk. 2 Refit Battleship
5 Thatcher Class Destroyers
3 Centaur Class Destroyers
2 Meteora Class Destroyers
5 Astron Class Fast Attack Submarines
5 Clan Grant Class Auxilaries
2 Oakleaf Class Assault Ships
1 Saviour Class Medical Ship

In case AMF wants some more assistance, I am willing to offer it. We regard Alenea's attack as unwarranted bullying, and feel that we should take a stand if AMF so wants us to do so.

I thought this post was pretty funny.

The senators shouted, enraged, at each other for hours on end inside the Ynduraini senate building - after days of argument, parliament was dissented - the famous leader, Kradolf Stliter siezed control - executing all members of the existing Ynduraini Senate and making the nation directly his under a socialist fist. His first act - issued to Automagfreek and Allanea
Declaration of Support for Allanea -
Directorate A34K Declaration of War against Automagfreek
It has come to the attention of the Socialist Directorate of Yndurain that it is all our best existing interests that we aid the nation of Allanea with its struggle against the opressive nation of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek. We will lend any financial, military, economic, or medical aid to the nation of Allanea by all means, and do anything within our power to minimize Allanean losses of men, materiel, and resources during the folllowing conflict.
-:Kradolf Stliter
-:Dictator Of Yndurain

Secretly, 450,000 Ynduraini SS Waffen are being mobilized - shown how to deal and use the most recent military advancements, and how to act against information taken from Allanea's records against the Freek sentinels.

This is funny. You honestly think you can beat:

Automagfreek
Pantera
Melkor Unchained
Sigma Octavus
New Empire
Adejaani
Scandinavian States

(And those are just the ones that I can think of off the top of my head at the moment.)

And here's the list of those that attacked me/ are supporting the attack:

Allanea
Fluffywuffy

If you want to jump in and get your ass handed to you, feel free.

It's a pity how everyone is a lapdog of AMF.

I have allies, lots of them. They're not lapdogs, get it straight.

Doujin, thanks for the map

http://koti.mbnet.fi/crimmer/ns/img/haven.png

Sigma Octavus (pretty sure New Empire is too) is within striking range, Scandinavian States is attacking, and the combined fleets of Automagfreek, Pantera, and Melkor Unchained are only a few NS hours away.

Also, if we are discreet enough, Goobergunchia secretly said we can use his land on the border with Allanea.

I should be able to take out what's left of his "fleet" that he sent against you, but if not my fleet is between Allanea's fleet and home, which should give you guys plenty of time to catch up and pound him from behind. However, I don't forsee any problems with pounding his ships to scrap because the fleet I sent after his is 108 to his sixteen or so.

ooc: So, AMF, you probably don't need my help, but may I offer it anway? I can probably send a 50,000-man Marine Expeditionary Force to aid an invasion of Allenea within an NS week, or however long it takes to go from Bonstock to AMF to Allenea by ship. That should also include 12 LHAs, 24 LPDs, and 12 Carrier Battle Groups, and I may attach 6 to 10 battleships for shore bombardment. Is there an overall stategy I should be aware of?

You should just fly the Marines into the Imperium and they can join my Army's attack against Allanea that's being routed through Corrheia.

Meh, my fleets are ahead/with/a minute behind SS and since SS is closer.. *shrug*

The majority of my fleet is docked at Stockholm, but I sent 4th Fleet to stop Allanea's retreating naval forces from reaching home port. If I had known you were on my tail I wouldn't have expended $2 Billion in 4,000lb-warhead capship killers to take out that knockoff of your Doujin class, I think he calls it the Predator.

Oh please, don't relate his predator to the Doujin. The Doujin doesn't deserve that.

Has anyone else noticed that Allanea has been conspicuously absent from the RP lately? Seems ever since I stepped in to kick his ass he's not bothered posting losses or anything. Tis a shame, I hadn't figured him for a coward on top of everything else.

Has anyone else noticed that Allanea has been conspicuously absent from the RP lately? Seems ever since I stepped in to kick his ass he's not bothered posting losses or anything. Tis a shame, I hadn't figured him for a coward on top of everything else.

I think it was Melkor stepping in the did it. Not that he wasn't screwed going up against the other like, 8 nations that are attacking.

If he ever comes back on this should be interesting.

*does jig*
Your never gonna catch me!
*collective nation of Artitsa scampers off*

And if he doesn't I'm going to IGNORE his sorry ass. I might do it anyway if this war bogs down when it should be over in a matter of hours like my last war with him did. It should be noted that he's deployed 3/4 of his ground power to stop your invasion while leaving the other quarter to stop any southern beach landings, I have something in mind that's going to leave that huge northern mass stranded if he comes back. He's put all his eggs into two, big baskets and it's going to cost him.

I think we should tell everyone else that while we appreciate the offer of help that they can keep their distance. Allanea will be taken care of along with his allies more than thoroughly by a select few of the coalition that's already turned out. While the sentiment is nice, I don't think we need every nation that sees the thread to get in. Just gonna get cluttered, that way. Besides, 1627392183283 nation alliances are shitty. It's not fair to Allanea, it's not fair to those of us who would like a quality RP, and besides that, only cowards and weaklings need two-hundred allies to trounce another nation.

Just my opinion, though. Up to AMF and Allanea.

So, is the Anti-Allaneans aware of Artitsa's involvement?

Personally, I just want to finish off Allanea and his cronies as quickly as possible, then return to my RP's. Just when I was enjoying some quiet time, Allanea comes out of left field. I don't care how many people are involved, just so long as this is over in less than a week.

Personally, I just want to finish off Allanea and his cronies as quickly as possible, then return to my RP's. Just when I was enjoying some quiet time, Allanea comes out of left field. I don't care how many people are involved, just so long as this is over in less than a week.

All right... I'll prepare my fleet and sail as soon as possible.

Personally, I just want to finish off Allanea and his cronies as quickly as possible, then return to my RP's. Just when I was enjoying some quiet time, Allanea comes out of left field. I don't care how many people are involved, just so long as this is over in less than a week.

I invited Lord Damien to my house and you do this! Do you realize how amusing this RP would've been?! DAMN YOU! I should join the slaughter myself! AGH!!!! I just wanna, just wanna:

Alleana: :mp5:

DIE!!!!![/rant]

I am amused by Scandavian's and Doujin's b___ing. I ignored them ages ago.

I am amused by Scandavian's and Doujin's b___ing. I ignored them ages ago.

And no, it has nothing to do with their "power".

Guess what, Allanea, the defense gets to choose who they allow to support them, not you. Don't like it? Go back to your cave.

And since you're on, why don't you take your beating like a man? Or do now realize that you bit off more than you could chew and are now going to pretend this whole situation doesn't exist in the hopes that we'll go away?

Pray tell me Allanea....

how in the bloody hell are you now on my western shores? What the fuck, first you appear on my eastern shores and are promptly pushed back by not one but 3 combined fleets. How are you pulling this shit out of nowhere?

See the magical red dot above New Genoa? Although not to scale, this is where AMF is located. I'm getting quite fed up with how you think you can move forces into the area without the APTO knowing....

Pray tell me Allanea....

how in the bloody hell are you now on my western shores? What the fuck, first you appear on my eastern shores and are promptly pushed back by not one but 3 combined fleets. How are you pulling this shit out of nowhere?

TYPO.

Alright, neutral party intervention here...

First, AMF he did note seperation of fleet into three components...one to strike at Forbidden Isle or whatever...

I will see if I can find the post but that didn't come out of nowhere...

I can't beleive I'm supporting Allanea on something but...

Alright, neutral party intervention here...

First, AMF he did note seperation of fleet into three components...one to strike at Forbidden Isle or whatever...

I will see if I can find the post but that didn't come out of nowhere...

I can't beleive I'm supporting Allanea on something but...


He can level the Forbidden Isle all he wants, nobody lives there. Hence the name. But mind you this is OOC information.

Allenea, post losses from my aircraft raid on your carriers.

I don't care...personally I've only staid neutral because I think this war is about to have the wheels fall off and become an ignore fest.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6568787&postcount=94

is the post...sort of hard to note in the middle of all that mess...

Four fleets, mentioned here:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6568787&postcount=94

One of the separate fleets mentioned here:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6569239&postcount=114

AMF, I'm not attacking forbidden Isle anyway, I'm launching missiles at Mako city, read my last post.

Allenea, post losses from my aircraft raid on your carriers.
Boony, post losses from my 1152 sea skimming mach 3+ anti-shipping missiles that are armoured against 30mm fire. (they are AM-96B Morningstars)

Really, Allenea and Bonstock that whole intercept attack was fairly poor Rp...

Bonstock you made one post where two was needed for Allenea to respond...

Allenea you just fluffed off an attack on a flimsy argument of my CWIS...

What have you got, The GODMOD 3000 we ignore the massive number of missles thrown at our ships?

ooc: depends what kind of anti-missile systems he has and how many in his fleet. I could easily do it against airlaunched anti-shipping missiles...

Sir, sonar is detecting incoming subs on grid 3. Stand by to intercept. The silent warriors beneath the waters began to stir and break their defensive positions and go on the active prowl for the bleeps on their screens that broke the silence. Above the waters, Freek destroyers began launching a series of depth charges in order to bring up the sub....in pieces or whole, it did not matter.



On the shores of Automagfreek, coastal atrillery began firing rocket assisted artillery shells with an EMP payload at the Allanean ships, while others contained high explosive heads. The shelling started while AMF fighters on the mainland began forming into their attack groups, missiles armed and ready. The shelling continued nostop of some 30+ minutes, firing with the assistance of Freek satellites to ensure pinpoint accuracy. Fighters on the decks of the AMF carriers Vengeance and Invincible scrambled and began their attack runs simultaniously with Freek Air Force craft on not only the Allanean planes, but on the carriers themselves. Firing in unison, the air was quickly saturated with dozens of anti-ship missiles, and various fighter swept in low firing their guns at the decks and any aircraft that happened to be sitting motionless.

More fighters were brought in from the mainland as the coastal guns kept blaring, their feiry wrath unleashed upon the Allanean fleets.


Why no mention of the effect on your shore defenses of my (quite massive) bombing?

ooc: depends what kind of anti-missile systems he has and how many in his fleet. I could easily do it against airlaunched anti-shipping missiles...

Yes, but he still didn't explain what kind of system he was using..and there is only limited room on a flat top for CWIS unless he's got some NS uber design...

Boony, post losses from my 1152 sea skimming mach 3+ anti-shipping missiles that are armoured against 30mm fire. (they are AM-96B Morningstars)

I don't think I saw that on the IC thread.

Keep the OOC posts here people...

Seeing as Allanea has no missile frigates, no destroyers, no cruisers, etc, he's probably out of cruise missiles by now. The only missiles I'd expect to see are from planes, but even then he has no supply craft, which means Allanea is pretty much up shit creek.

Why no mention of the effect on your shore defenses of my (quite massive) bombing?

Because you have failed to give me time to defend myself for Christ's sake. I'm not just going to take your attacks and not defend. Use your head.

I don't think I saw that on the IC thread.

Nevermind. I took my losses.

And now you oughta take yours, Artitsa.

mmm... nah. Not just yet. You have some things to clean up.

ooc: I will replace this later with IC post. Several Problems:
1. What missiles are you using to intercept.

Whatever missiles the US uses to intercept stuff like Yakhonts and whatnot

2. AEGIS system by USA cannot intercept seaskimmers as tested. It is actually only of any real use as ABM and against Ballistic Arc missiles

I upgraded it to do so. Too bad.

3. Sonar has a max range of 100km. AM-96B has max range of 700km. I did however fail to mention the range of the attack, but I assure you it was more then 100km.

My subs are ahead of the actual fleet
4. You do not know they are Artitsan ;)

You gave away your position when you launched your missiles.

Just an announcement, I've been forced to retcon my participation in this conflict and retcon Allanea. See here for details: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341180

Whatever missiles the US uses to intercept stuff like Yakhonts and whatnot



I upgraded it to do so. Too bad.



My subs are ahead of the actual fleet


You gave away your position when you launched your missiles.
US has no missile to intercept Yakhont's as of right now, their RAM launchers are simply unable to. Their Phalanx and Goalkeeper systems are also inadquite to defeat the armoured head and low altitude of the Yakhont, which flies 10m from the ocean. AEGIS upgraded... how so? Please explain to me how it is upgraded and how it is your able to detect and guide missiles to a target 8m's above the ocean, its signature blending in with that of the ocean, which would be canceled out and ignored by the AEGIS system.
And I doubt your subs are 600km in front of your fleet ;)

ooc: Whatever. I'll just say 4 carriers went to the bottom. Happy? I hope you are, 'cause I'm sendin' more!

BONSTOCK! How do you make a carrier in one week? And how do you get within 100kms of someones fleet IN HOME WATERS without being intercepted...

Negative. Your entire fleet should be at the bottom after 1152 missiles... with the defences you gave me, you might be able to kill 100 of them. So that leaves 1052 missiles. 1 Will disingtigrate a Destroyer. 1 will sink a frigate/cruiser. 2 will destroy a battleship. 2 will destroy a carrier.

Astia, first I think what you want is the world to admit that any fleet you attack shall be sunk for you use Yanknots (which will sink all ships in the world.) The unfortunate premise being that subs will rule the waves and we might as all just kiss your ass...

second, those Yanknots which you so lovely believe are supperior to any american CWIS system will also defeat and russian CWIS system...

Added: The Yanknot can be fired from aircraft...

Therefore: based on the arguments presented...either Both the Allanea and Bonstock fleet vanish from the earth in a blaze of Yanknot born destruction...or we just assume in the NS world that AGEIS systems have been upgraded to at least attempt an somewhat decent intercept...which is reasonable all you have to do is do the appropriate fast response backround processing to detect something moving above max wave speed...not impossible but it wouldn't correct the myoptic veiw the AGIES system has of sea skimmers.

(Oh, and a RAM could intercept a Yanknot if it were conected to a good enough detection system to have the time to actually intercept the blugger)

I suggest you and your ally make your decision...of both navies disappearing or taking severe damage...your choice.

BONSTOCK! How do you make a carrier in one week? And how do you get within 100kms of someones fleet IN HOME WATERS without being intercepted...

Iron and blood. And the realization that I ain't wasting my money on god-damn Nimitz upgrades. I'll build smaller, expendable carriers.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/images/kiev-DDST8606695.JPG

Here... this will do.

Project 1143 Krechyet
Kiev class


Specifications
Designer: Nevskoye Planning and Design Bureau
Builder: Chernomorsky [Nikolayev South]
Displacement (tons): 36,000 tons standard
38,000 tons standard [Gorshkov]
43,000-43,500 tons full load
45,000-45,500 tons full load [Gorshkov]
Speed (kts): 32 knots
Dimensions (m): 249.5-257.0 meters long waterline
273.0-274.0 meters long overall
32.6-32.7 meters waterline beam
53.0 meters flight deck width
9.5 meters draft standard
12.0 meters draft mean full load
Propulsion: 8 turbopressurized boilers
4 steam turbines; 200,000 shp
4 shafts
Crew: 1,200-1,600 (including air group)
Armament:
Missiles: KIEV, MINSK 2 SA-N-3 Goblet twin launchers [72]
2 SA-N-4 Gecko twin launchers [40]
8 SS-N-12 Sandbox tubes [16]

NOVOROSSIYSK 2 SA-N-3 Goblet twin launchers [72]
12 SA-N-9 8-cell vertical launchers [96]
8 SS-N-12 Sandbox tubes [16]

GORSHKOV 24 SA-N-9 8-cell vertical launchers [192]
12 SS-N-12 Sandbox [24]



Guns: KIEV, MINSK, and NOVOROSSIYSK
4 76.2-mm/59-cal AA (2 twin)
8 30-mm/65-cal AK-630 close-in (8 multi-barrel)

GORSHKOV
2 100-mm/70-cal DP (2 single)
8 30-mm/65-cal AK-630 close-in (8 multi-barrel)


Torpedoes: 10 21-in (533-mm) torpedo tubes
Aircraft: 12 or 13 Yak-38 Forger VSTOL (substituted with VSTOL F-35s)
14 to 17 Ka-25 Hormone or Ka-27/29 Helix

Astia, first I think what you want is the world to admit that any fleet you attack shall be sunk for you use Yanknots (which will sink all ships in the world.) The unfortunate premise being that subs will rule the waves and we might as all just kiss your ass...

second, those Yanknots which you so lovely believe are supperior to any american CWIS system will also defeat and russian CWIS system...

Added: The Yanknot can be fired from aircraft...

Therefore: based on the arguments presented...either Both the Allanea and Bonstock fleet vanish from the earth in a blaze of Yanknot born destruction...or we just assume in the NS world that AGEIS systems have been upgraded to at least attempt an somewhat decent intercept...which is reasonable all you have to do is do the appropriate fast response backround processing to detect something moving above max wave speed...not impossible but it wouldn't correct the myoptic veiw the AGIES system has of sea skimmers.

(Oh, and a RAM could intercept a Yanknot if it were conected to a good enough detection system to have the time to actually intercept the blugger)

I suggest you and your ally make your decision...of both navies disappearing or taking severe damage...your choice.

Or I could have been talking to two Maritime Students who do this for a living, who informed of the AEGIS capablities, or lack there of. And I am not using Yakhonts. I am using the Agnotistcium missile AM-96B morningstar. It flies 2m lower then the Yakhont, and is faster then the yakhont. It is also armoued to 30mm. In most cases, to accuratly target and track a Seaskimmer you need look down radar from AWACs, which he did not use. And when it comes to Allanea's fleet, it should be destroyed, due to the sheer amount of missiles, but remember: Bonstock used Pheonix top attack anti-shipping missiles... considerably easier to intercept.

And Bonstock, your choice of Carrier to mass produce is acceptable (and a rather good choice as well :D)

Negative. Your entire fleet should be at the bottom after 1152 missiles... with the defences you gave me, you might be able to kill 100 of them. So that leaves 1052 missiles. 1 Will disingtigrate a Destroyer. 1 will sink a frigate/cruiser. 2 will destroy a battleship. 2 will destroy a carrier.

Fine, but my submarines live, and they've outnumbered and surrounded your subs and are firing off their torpedoes as we speak. Have a nice day at the bottom of the ocean, mate!

hmm... Your subs are approaching mine. That is agreed. They are still 100km away, so that gives you ample time to launch some SUBROCs at em.

notice my 'myoptic comment'...which is what needs to be corrected for by using an elevated detection platform (like my AWACS rotodyenes and blimps...)

And I'm not sure but two meters lower might make your missles eating a wave a might more likely...

Oh, and you need to realize the diffrence between those who take classes and have ideas dribbled into their heads and those of us who work with the people who try to correct for those problems. (They have been screwing around with trying to get the AGIES system to better detect sea skimmers using better processing of the incomming data as a stop gap...theoretically possible but getting the computers not to bog down trying to implement it proved to be a b**** if I recall correctly)

The real problem here is that your ally won't take severe damages which makes the oppostion not want to take severe damages...

See the problem? If Bonstock takes the damages you want while Allena walks off with minor scratches it isn't a fair rp but just AMF bashing with Allanea walking away from attacks because they can...

Im trying to get him to repost casualties. And I think they should concentrate on first getting the AEGIS to do what it was designed to do in the first place, since its been failing that apparently in many of the tests. Apparently, and this is rumour, but the AEGIS cannot handle the Shipwreck, let alone the Yakhont.

Im trying to get him to repost casualties. And I think they should concentrate on first getting the AEGIS to do what it was designed to do in the first place, since its been failing that apparently in many of the tests. Apparently, and this is rumour, but the AEGIS cannot handle the Shipwreck, let alone the Yakhont.
I did repost my casualties now take your losses!

I posted my response to your subs attempt at circling mine. Traveling from 100km or more away to catch my subs before they disappear is going to create alotta noise... especially 16 of em.

I posted my response to your subs attempt at circling mine. Traveling from 100km or more away to catch my subs before they disappear is going to create alotta noise... especially 16 of em.

Four of my subs were killed by your things, now my subs have fully caught up and are firing their torpedoes at you.

Artitsa, Bonstock, I'm going to have to ask both of you to step out of this RP. Things are bad enough the way it is, and your added bickering isn't helping.

Artitsa, Bonstock, I'm going to have to ask both of you to step out of this RP

Yeah because combined, they could do you some serious damage.

Bonstock's on my side, or haven't you bothered to read the threads?

Bonstock's on my side, or haven't you bothered to read the threads?


My bad, sorry. :( (Embarrassed, runs out of room)

We are done bickering. Any more bickering will be done by TG. Promise.

Artitsa, Bonstock, I'm going to have to ask both of you to step out of this RP. Things are bad enough the way it is, and your added bickering isn't helping.

My apologies, AMF.

AMF, I would suggest that you seriously consider retconning this entire RP. This whole Artistsa/Bonstock thing is just a representation of a larger condition. Frankly, I think anyone who uses pure RL tech is just inviting trouble because you have purists for the opposite tech base and neither side, on the whole, knows what the hell they're talking about. I don't care what happens to this RP at this point, cause I'm done, it's just my view on the best way to save everyone problems.

What Allanea dosen't understand is this:

In real life, if Allanea threw a punch at me, you can rest assured that I wouldn't just stand there and be hit, oh no. I'd either try to block the hit or dodge it, but if all else failed and I was hit, you can be damned sure I'd hit back.

Allanea thinks that he can sneak in and hit me as much as he wants, which is pure godmodding (not allowing the other person a chance to defend). If Allanea godmods one more time then yes, I will retcon it. The only reason I'm staying in this bunk ass RP is because my friend Pantera is (or maybe was) having fun. I also don't want to deprive Melkor of his chance to RP a war with me and Pantera on the same side, so there's alot more reasoning behind me staying in this RP.

All I can say is this: with zero support and supply craft, Allanea's bound to run out of missiles very, very soon. Especially at the rate he's using them. I'm not going to let Allanea get away with having infinate missiles, oh no.

Is there gonna be a landing soon? Cause my air cover cant loiter forever, just saying...

Getting old fast, I agree. Kinda like to finish it, though...

Whatever.

What Allanea dosen't understand is this:

In real life, if Allanea threw a punch at me, you can rest assured that I wouldn't just stand there and be hit, oh no. I'd either try to block the hit or dodge it, but if all else failed and I was hit, you can be damned sure I'd hit back.

Allanea thinks that he can sneak in and hit me as much as he wants, which is pure godmodding (not allowing the other person a chance to defend). If Allanea godmods one more time then yes, I will retcon it. The only reason I'm staying in this bunk ass RP is because my friend Pantera is (or maybe was) having fun. I also don't want to deprive Melkor of his chance to RP a war with me and Pantera on the same side, so there's alot more reasoning behind me staying in this RP.

All I can say is this: with zero support and supply craft, Allanea's bound to run out of missiles very, very soon. Especially at the rate he's using them. I'm not going to let Allanea get away with having infinate missiles, oh no.


In what way have I NOT allowed you a chance to defend?

We need to get this invasion on the road. Were are those fleets? I'm still the only one sitting near Allanea as far as I know.

Also, more and more nations are joining this. This is turning into a major conflict here.

I've already let AMF know privately, but I fully support his side in this conflict.

It seems like the RP's a bit crowded, but if any AMF-allied forces need to stop over anywhere in the ME or in certain other WA-held locations then just lemme know.

Allanea, what you did was paramount to me putting an army into transports, sending them into your nation, and then marching to your capital. You didn't allow any chance for AMF to respond to the fact that a huge quantity of ships and aircraft were heading to his nation. It really isnt that hard to understand.

Allanea, what you did was paramount to me putting an army into transports, sending them into your nation, and then marching to your capital. You didn't allow any chance for AMF to respond to the fact that a huge quantity of ships and aircraft were heading to his nation. It really isnt that hard to understand.

Patently untrue. I first mentioned my fleet on page 1 of the thread. I then posted about it dividing on page 6. Then, I repeated descriptions of the four sub-sections of the fleet along the thread. AMF posted responses. Therefore, he could have reacted to all the fleets, but he did not.

Note that I did not get a single casualty post from him. Not ONE.

He hasnt been posting exact numbers, but he is taking casualties. He has already said that shore batteries were being destroyed and disabled, and that there were heavy losses in that sneak attack at first, etc.

I see. AMF, I am sorry, please disregard my last post.

Alright Allanea, I'm calling bullshit on your last attack post.

Not only do you have massive numbers of coastal artillery pounding your ships, you have a joint blitzkrieg assult on your fleets by AMF naval and air force planes, not to mention my destroyers, cruisers, missile frigates, subs, AND a massive battleship are launching everything they have at you. That's on top of the massive assult that Melkor's fleets have launched on you. Now you say that you will soon be sending units onto my mainland? Bullshit.

Same thing with your subs that have magically gotten past MY subs and are firing on my ships. St. Freeksburg is a major naval base that is heavily guarded, and I've made many posts explicitly stating that I have large groups of subs set up in defensive perimeters outside the perimeters set by my above water vessles.

By all friggin' rights your fleets should be down in the drink right now. And if you want exact numbers as to my losses, here they are:

9,652 dead Sentinels
6,110 dead civilians (Mako Island is a tourist center with a decent international military presence. It's very likely alot of civilians have died.)

Shore gun emplacements: 6
Downed planes: 36
Sunk ships: 13

If you read back over my last post in conjunction with Melkor's massive anal rapage on your fleets, you'll notice just how much firepower got thrown at you. And considering your attacking fleet was roughly more than two dozen vessels, and considering you have zero support and supply craft, my question to you is this: How the fuck are your attacking forces still alive?????

It's because he believes his nation is somehow inherently superior to everyone else and thus he shall never take losses in any realistic manner. This is exactly why I IGNORED him and my previous advice still stands, it'll save you a headache.

That's on top of the massive assult that Melkor's fleets have launched on you. Now you say that you will soon be sending units onto my mainland? Bullshit.


I on the other hand, will be landing in Allanea shortly

So will I. Damien and Zander slipped away from the attackers and left Brinks to defend.

I find it funny that his homeland is practically an open door. He doesn't even have a fleet defending his coast.

Chellian air coverage is very heavy over the invading fleets, and we have a large number of paratroop divisions ready to land in the nation when the invasion is to take place. 4 divisions are ready to drop, and 12 with back and forth transports from nigeria to allanea.

In what way have I NOT allowed you a chance to defend?


Because you've effectively ignored every single defense of mine! Your subs seem to magically appear near my fleets desipte well defended underwater perimeters. You're now claiming to be prepping forces to land on my mainland. Notice anything wrong with this???? First off your fleets should logically be toast by now, and second I doubt you'd get so much as a kite past my AA defenses, and on top of that you have thousands of pissed off Sentinels waiting for so much as 1 Allanean soldier to set off on my territory.

I may not have a degree in military strategy, but I know how to employ a military and defend my lands. I would not be so foolish as to send in over a dozen carriers without supply and support craft, but you did. Therefore in all logic, your forces are nothing more than sitting ducks, even with your dozen + subs. Not that your subs would be able to make it past my defenses without a bloody fight in the first place.

I think with the amount of strategy I've employed here that almost anybody on the receiving end would have suffered devastating losses. You on the other hand haven't even posted a carrier loss (that I've read) yet! The only losses I've seen so far (and I may be wrong and have to re-read) have been planes, but with your close proximity to my mainland, my AA emplacements would have chewed your fighters up and spat them out.

In his defence, I think he posted 3 burning/sinking carriers. I may be wrong.

And now I'm going to take a page out of your book Allanea, and request losses after:

*A massive coastal bombardment on your vessels (carriers and your battleship) with EMP and high explosive heads.
*Missile attacks from coastal positions on your planes and carriers.
*Massive AA fire from AAA and SAM sites.
*A joint strike on your carriers by my naval and air force planes.
*A joint strike on your planes by my naval and air force planes.
*Bombardment on your carriers and battleship by my destroyers, cruisers, missile frigates and battleships.


My subs have not attacked your ships because they are holding a tight perimeter around my fleets. Report losses please.

/me predicts AMF is going to blow his stack over Allanea's losses

In his defence, I think he posted 3 burning/sinking carriers. I may be wrong.


In his last post I counted some 300 planes and 1 sub of his destroyed. I'm reading over older posts again.

/me predicts AMF is going to blow his stack over Allanea's losses

If they are less than what I expected, the IGNORE cannon will be fired.

I get the odd feeling that he came into this feeling that he would emerge victorious. But why would anyone attack APTO without massive help?

I'm guessing he thought Whittier's 434343904 nation alliance was going to help.

I get the odd feeling that he came into this feeling that he would emerge victorious. But why would anyone attack APTO without massive help?

He always does that and it's because of his overlarge ego, hence his godmodding to win at all costs.

He always does that and it's because of his overlarge ego, hence his godmodding to win at all costs.

Actually, it's not. The Adejaani Intelligence Service has found out Allanea's war plans! They are, as follows:

1. Allanea declares war on AMF with a large knock-out strike.

2. AMF says "OMG NOES! With such great RPing, I shall have to surrender! There's no way I can win!"

3. Allies of AMF says "OMG NOES! AMF surrendered! We're all doomed! We surrender too!"

4. Allanea smirks, marches into AMF unopposed, raises his arms in the air and loudly proclaims "I'M THE KING OF THE WORLD!"

5. Iceberg suddenly appears next to Allanea.

6. Iceberg hits Allanea, causing it to start sinking.

7. Celine Dion takes center stage and starts singing.

8. Allanea's head explodes due to said singing, like a tomato in a drill press.

9. AMF smirks and marches into Allanea unopposed.

10. Allies of AMF applaud when AMF raises his arms in the air and loudly proclaims "I'M THE KING OF THE WORLD!"

11. Allies of AMF note that had the war gone on, Allanea would've been a bloody mess anyway.

12. AMF gains another rung in the ladder of immortality/notoriety. Millions hate Celine Dion even more. Everyone finishes their soda and popcorn and life returns to normal.

The End. :rolleyes:

Lmao!!!!

OOC: Bump for Allanea.

I get the odd feeling that he came into this feeling that he would emerge victorious. But why would anyone attack APTO without massive help?

I shall OOC note that I actually expected massive aid from players who promised it. Ah well...

So then this raises a question: what's the status on this war and affiliated threads (Puritania)?

You are free post, as I am obviously online - unless you for some reason don't wish to.

BTW, it would be for common benefit if we exchanged contact info.

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Allanea, YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.

Tell me how in the high hell your attackers managed to survive my counterattacks? PLEASE tell me how the fuck you have troops on my land! Tell me how you've managed to survive despite having ZERO support vessels!

I'm a split second away from ignoring you, this has got to be the WORST war I've EVER fought in. At least MagicChina knows how to take appropriate losses!

Allanea, you are going to give a proper response to these two posts, and if you do not take reasonable losses I will ignore you. This is your last chance. you have completely failed to take into account the massive garrisons I have in the area. You have failed to take into account that you are attacking a naval stronghold that has many vessles capable of defeating your 12 carriers, 12 subs, and 1 battleship. To put it bluntly, your attacking force is a joke. They by all rights should be sitting at the bottom of the ocean, BUT AGIAN I've given you ample time to respond to my posts.

Either do so IMMEDIATLY or this is over. You're not going to godmod or sneak your way out of this.

Sir, sonar is detecting incoming subs on grid 3. Stand by to intercept. The silent warriors beneath the waters began to stir and break their defensive positions and go on the active prowl for the bleeps on their screens that broke the silence. Above the waters, Freek destroyers began launching a series of depth charges in order to bring up the sub....in pieces or whole, it did not matter.

On the shores of Automagfreek, coastal atrillery began firing rocket assisted artillery shells with an EMP payload at the Allanean ships, while others contained high explosive heads. The shelling started while AMF fighters on the mainland began forming into their attack groups, missiles armed and ready. The shelling continued nostop of some 30+ minutes, firing with the assistance of Freek satellites to ensure pinpoint accuracy. Fighters on the decks of the AMF carriers Vengeance and Invincible scrambled and began their attack runs simultaniously with Freek Air Force craft on not only the Allanean planes, but on the carriers themselves. Firing in unison, the air was quickly saturated with dozens of anti-ship missiles, and various fighter swept in low firing their guns at the decks and any aircraft that happened to be sitting motionless.

More fighters were brought in from the mainland as the coastal guns kept blaring, their feiry wrath unleashed upon the Allanean fleets.






Back at the Automagfreek mainland

With the Allanean fleets surrounded and inevitably low on ammunition, Freek Air Force and naval craft continued to keep the pressure on the Allaneans, and the coastal atrillery batteries continued to launch their precision ordinance with aid of AMF satellites. While some batteries were lost and some rendered inoperable, the Sentinels on the shores persisted. Supply trucks were brought in from the nearby cities to resupply the coastal batteries, and Freek SAM sites contined to lock on and fire at the airborne intruders. More and more ammo was brought to the front lines from the now smoking cities behind them, and General Brinks knew that this was time to end it. The deck guns of the Cemetary Gate opened up in a vicious roar, firing their 16" guns directly at the Allanean aircraft carriers. Round after round flew down the muzzle of the deck guns, rocking the Cemetery Gate every time they fired. AMF destroyers and cruisers concentrated on the Allanean battleship as well as Freek missile frigates, pouring an incredible amount of fire onto the battleship. Meanwhile beneath the waves, Freek subs continued their prowl of the depths, keeping Allanean subs at bay and maintaining their tight perimeter.

A series of stealth fighters flew high above the carnage, sighting in the Allanean fleets below and dropping fist fulls of 1,000 pound bombs. The stealth fighters were supported by more Air Force craft, flying high and engaging the rest of the Allanean planes that violated the skies.

Attention allied vessles, begin your final attack runs now. The enemy has fired massive numbers of missiles in great error, and we expect that they should be just about out now. We have begun a massive blitzkrieg, and we are concentrating the bulk of our coastal and airborne firepower on the enemy carriers. We expect our coordinated air attacks and naval attacks to bring down their ships soon, so continue to pound the bastards into silt. They will not last long.

http://67.18.37.14/40/9/upload/p1006838.jpg
General Brinks
-Warchief of AMF Forces-


POST LOSSES.

I'm with AMF on this one. Allanea's posts, where they exist at all, are ridiculously short and pitifully detailed, at best. Furthermore, he's been insisting that he will not post to the war thread until I post a conversation one of my Marshals had [or rather, is going to have] with Kazansky. Although it would appear that he came to his senses and posted anyway, I found his writing wonderfully vague. I'm writing long-winded, descriptive posts that are infrequently answered by about 8 lines of text. Even when reasonable losses are stated in this manner, it's more than a bit irritating.

And Allanea: concerning the RP we did on IRC: just because we did it the other day doesn't mean it happens in game time. Mind you, Kazansky has little to no idea what's going on in his country, and I can choose to initiate these talks with him when it suits me. In light of recent developments, it doesn't appear to suit me now.

And I apologize for the tone of my posts. Being a mod that RPs, Melkor, I'm sure you understand the frustration.

But I am not backing down. Either Allanea gets back on track, or I'm done with this.

OOC: Whatever goes on, I would approve very much if this is finished by monday, preferrably by tomorrow, Sunday, night. I have alot of things I want to get accomplished this next week, none of which include having this bother me any further.

Once Panteran reperations are paid by Allanea, I have very reliable information that the Lord Reaver will see fit to withdraw his fleets and invasion force, rather than putting Allanea to the torch.

Allanea, you might want to read this. It's about your forces on The Forbidden Isle.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6677956

I didn't bring in more fleets, I separated the main fleet.

OOC: You mean this fleet?

BattleShips:

Allanea (Predator Class)

Carriers:

George Washington (Yekaterinburg-class)
Menahem Begin (Yekaterinburg-class)
Ariel Sharon (Yekaterinburg-class)
Ross Perot (Yekaterinburg-class)
Ayn Rand (Yekaterinburg-class)
Ronald Reagan (Titan Class Super Carrier )
John Dingell (Titan Class Super Carrier )
Moshe Feiglin (Titan Class Super Carrier )
Itzhak Rabin (Titan Class Super Carrier)
Jay August (Titan Class Super Carrier)
Alexander Kazansky (Titan Class Super Carrier)
Liberty (Titan Class Super Carrier)
Incinerator (Titan Class Super Carrier )
Obliterator (Titan Class Super Carrier )
Deforestator (Titan Class Super Carrier)



Ted Nugent (Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ship)
Jay August (Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ship)
Alex Nortong (Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ship)
James Madison (Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ship)
Heston City (Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ship)
Eagle Scout (Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ship)
Neal Knox (Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ship)
Democrat(Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ship)
Elephant Hunter (Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ship)
Neil Smith (Shrike Class Helicopter Assault Ship)

Submarines

Aissur (Shark Class Attack Submarine)
Noble(Shark Class Attack Submarine)
Fury(Shark Class Attack Submarine)
Vengeance (Shark Class Attack Submarine)
Destruction (Shark Class Attack Submarine)
Freedom (Shark Class Attack Submarine)
Insanity (Shark Class Attack Submarine)
Charlton Heston (Shark Class Attack Submarine)
James Madison (Shark Class Attack Submarine)
Ship-Sinker (Shark Class Attack Submarine)
Stephen Harper (Ohio Class Submarine)

If you split it up evenly, here's what you'd have. The first digit represents your first squad, the second digit represents the second squad.

Subs: 5, 6
Carriers: 8, 7
Helicopter assault ship: 5, 5
Battleship: 1


Meanwhile, your fleets are up against:

General Brink's 4th fleet:

Cemetery Gate class battleship [Flagship]
3 Nimitz Class Carriers
(255 aircraft. 85 plane capacity x 3, ranging from F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet to F-14)
5 Ticonderoga guided missile frigates
6 Spruance class destroyers.
4 Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyer
3 Iowa class battleships
2 Blue Ridge class command ships
7 Seawolf class submarines

The above figures exclude troop transports which are not used.


1st Imperial Naval Garrison:

1 Nimitz class carrier
(85 aircraft ranging from F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet to F-14)
1 Enterprise class carrier
(85 aircraft ranging from F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet to F-14)
2 Iowa class battleships
5 Spruance class destroyers
4 Seawolf class submarines
1 Blue Ridge class command ship
2 Ticonderoga class missile frigates


4th Imperial Naval Garrison

1 Nimitz class carrier
(85 aircraft ranging from F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet to F-14)
1 Enterprise class carrier
(85 aircraft ranging from F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet to F-14)
2 Iowa class battleships
4 Spruance class destroyers
5 Seawolf class submarines
1 Blue Ridge class command ship
1 Ticonderoga class missile frigates
1 Arleigh Burke class guided missile destroyer

222nd Aerial Garrison

22 F-15E
18 F-16
12 F/A-18A/C Hornet
10 RAH-66 Comanche
14 AH-64 Apache


65th Stealth Aerial Garrison

25 B-2 Spirit
12 F-117 Nighthawk
15 B-1B Lancer
15 RAH-66 Comanche

102nd Aerial Garrison

10 F/A-18A/C Hornet
20 F-15E
8 F-16
13 P-C3 Orion
10 AH-64 Apache

187th Bomber/Close Air SupportGarrison

10 B-2 Spirit
12 B-52 Stratofortress
6 F-117 Nighthawk
13 A-10 Thunderbolt
5 AC-130U


335th Mobile Sentinel Garrison

130,000 Sentinels

198 M1A2 Abrams
76 Stryker Vehicles
122 M-2/M-3 Bradley
55 LAV-25
66 HMMWV

402nd Sentinel Infantry Garrison

75,000 Sentinels

97 HMMWV
150 LAV-AT
45 M1A2 Abrams

129th Sentinel Artillery Garrison

80,000 Sentinels

37 MLRS
60 M109 A6 Paladin
100 M198 155mm Medium Towed Howitzer
75 M1A2 Abrams
40 PAC-3






These are the forces spanning northeastward from Mako Island to Freeksburg Port. If you'd like me to post my garrisons on the other side of the island, I'll be happy to.

Allanea, you must really know little of military weapons and tactics. Your attacking force is extremely limited, and with the vast diversity of my garrisons your ships *by all rights* should be at the bottom right now.