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IC Secret: Project ODIUS is a joint C A D effort to develope an orbital weapons platform. It's comprised of a ground based installation that fires a particle beam into space at a speacial "mirror" satelite. The mirror is actualy a magnetic field that is used to deflect the beam. There will be 4 mirror satelites orbiting different areas of the Earth. When the beam is fired, it is either deflected back to Earth, or to another satelite to hit a target out of reach. The project is being jointly developed by the nations of C A D. My other allies(you know who you are) can know about it too.

OOC: This is in IC secret, so no one knows about it unless they RP infiltrating a spy.
IC Secret: Some other CAD guy(IE Ruthless Slaughter) will explain the technical crap.

"The Odius system was meant as a means of creating a first strike capablitity for C A D, to respond to aggresive activity swiftly and without the lingering mess of a nuclear warhead," explains SDI top researcher, Alexei Romanova, "A series of reactors power the cannons. The terestrial emitters form the core of the system, while the mirrors allow for it to reach any point on the globe, within reason. The beam can be bounced off of all the mirrors if necessary and allows for upto four targets to be struck at once, while other targets are being programmed for the following strikes. For the purposes of explaining the power of the weapon I wait to see what my counterparts in Ruthless Slaughter have to say."

-OOC-
Future Tech or Modern?

OOC:RS is at my house at the moment, and its not letting him post from his country. This is what he has to say-

RS:The alloy that comprises the orbiting mirrors is made of uridium, a top secret alloy my scientists developed. It has the reflecting properties and tolerance level required to deflect the beam. However uridium is still experimental and the mirrors, which are under construction, must be replaced every ten years to prevent the beam from piercing the satelite and sending all our work down the toilet. They are also vulnerable to missiles and explosives. The beam is drastically weakened if all four mirrors are striking different targets at once. It's no where near as powerful as a nuclear weapon, but more than enough to slice an aircraft carrier in half. The beam lasts about 12-24 hours to recharge. I would also like to point out that this plan was based on a root idea thought up by Shenyang Then the concept was made more realistic by Doomingsland. I then spent a good deal of my military budget as well. Too bad Deleteme doesn't believe in RP hehhehheh...

OOC: People often ignore weapons that use made up elements for the simple fact that the new element has to be heavier than all the known elements, making it inefficient for practical military construction. Also, artificial elements tend to be ignored because all artificial elements cost millions of dollars to make a few atoms, and the atoms made quickly destabilize.

Instead of using a made up element, why not have the particle beam be charged positively or negatively, and turn the satellites into giant magnets that repel the particles away. That way the particles don't touch the satellite, the magnetic field created by the satellite's 'mirror' array just deflects them away before they hit the satellite.

Keep in mind that it will be somewhat difficult preserving the power of the beam from the ground through the atmosphere, so give the particle beam installation a big source (preferably nuclear).

The scientists at SDI (Shenyang Defense Industries) would like to announce that This is only the first iteration of this weapon system, as time passes, as with all technology it will be upgraded and upgraded to stay current with the involved nations' defense and deterent needs. All SDI's stated information is subject to change and SDI refuses to take responsibility for anything that it's brain child may be used for. SDI appreciates all the contributions of its allies in the timely implementation of the final product of the original plan.

Sounds like a good idea, we'll do that instead. We where going to have an independent nuclear plant to power the station anyways.

So summing it up, it is a ground installation with 4 nuke plants, 2 on site, 2 somewhere else. The mirrors are giant magnets that redirect the beam of positive particles to its target. The beam isn't as powerful as a nuke, last about 30 seconds, takes close to a day to charge, and fictional elements are ruled out in the future. Got it, my uridium idea was alright, but I guess it was kinda godmodding. I'll still make the mirror satelites. Assign one person for every 2 reactors, and everyone else to R and D and building the ground installation. Now all that's left is deciding which C A D nation will house the installation and another the other two reactors.
Shenyang said we need two emitters in case something goes wrong with one. He said he will get one because he though of this. I'll take the other if no one objects. I will also build a Ground Control Facility to monitor all systems, so if something does happen, it will be detected and dealt with safely.

My scientists will begin testing of a scaled down version of the particle cannon. There will be no satelites involved, but a massive 500ft tower with a prototype of the magnet system will be used. I'll post picks once I get some. It may take a while...

Test it on a mini version of Sverdoc!

OOC: Aw crap! They don't have the evil smiling emoticon anymore!

Someone tell me how to post pics plz.

I'd post a pic, but I can't figure out how, so this is pretty much what happend in the test:
5 remotely piloted T-55s where parked out in the Hell Valley Proving Grounds, and a bunch of people sat in bunkers and watched as all 5 tanks were disinegrated by the beam(a scaled down version). Someone tell me how to post pics plz.

A full scale version of the cannon has been completed. We await the launch of the satelites.

Satelites were launched early this morning from RS Launch Bay 1 and are in standard orbit around the planet. Our emitter is at optimal output effinciency. All systems in Ground Control read green across the board.

Shenyang Emitter Array reports all systems are at optimal efficiency, awaiting ground control's order to fire, and a target. Systems await authorization, system ready.........Sheyang Emitter Array awaiting orders.............

An old decomissioned aircraft carrier sits out in Doom Bay.

"You have permission to fire."
"Fire order recieved. Opening silo doors."

At the top of Mt.Doom, to massive silo doors swing open revealing the weapon, which is located deep within the ancient mountain. A mirror satelite passes overhead...

"Commence firing."

A massive blue energy beam can be seen rising from Mt.Doom, all who survey believe the apocalypse is occuring, but are reasured by military officials.
The beam is projected into space and strikes the satelite, which uses a magnetic field to redirect the beam down to Earth. The President himself is watching as the old carrier is split inf half by the energy beam.

The test was a succes.

Test firing successful...We are recieving confimation now.....Target destroyed, we repeat, target destroyed......System going idle in 3,2,1...System on standby, all systems functional......Test successful.

-Latest transmission from Shenyang Base

OOC: There are a few things wrong with this weapon. Did you develop the particle beam? None exist in modern tech. You need to explain the alloy part as well. Also, it must cost a heck of a lot of money to maintain, exactly how much (is it in your budget to operate?). With all of that said, ODIUS could not work using modern tech, and I'd have to conclude it was not a particle beam, but probably a lightning bolt that destroyed your carrier.

OOC: There are a few things wrong with this weapon. Did you develop the particle beam? None exist in modern tech. You need to explain the alloy part as well. Also, it must cost a heck of a lot of money to maintain, exactly how much (is it in your budget to operate?). With all of that said, ODIUS could not work using modern tech, and I'd have to conclude it was not a particle beam, but probably a lightning bolt that destroyed your carrier.
OOC: Yes, particle beams DO exist in modern tech, the US experimented with them in the cold war. Since you obviously didn't read the whole thread, you didn't see that we changed the alloy thing to a magnet thing that redirects the beam. We all contribute a ton of money to maintain the thing.

As you are using magnets, i'm assuming it's a charged particle beam? So the earth's magnetic field would bend your beam, and it would miss.

We calculate were the beam would be bent to, and the satelite has manuvering thrusters to adjust to were the beam's gonna be.

So that's what ODIUS is. Sounds pretty cool.

OOC: People often ignore weapons that use made up elements for the simple fact that the new element has to be heavier than all the known elements, making it inefficient for practical military construction. Also, artificial elements tend to be ignored because all artificial elements cost millions of dollars to make a few atoms, and the atoms made quickly destabilize.

not lasers that can be bounced by mirrors. Their damage potential comes from bombarding something with billions of subatomic particles travelling at roughly the speed of light. If it hits a satellite, I seriously doubt the satellite will survive, much less be able to bounce a particle beam. I think about the only way to make a system like this work is NE's method.

2) Even if you could bounce a particle beam with a mirror, the energy loss would be massive and the resulting damage wouldn't outstrip a 2,000 pound precision bomb. A cheaper and more practical solution would be to send several deep strike aircraft into enemy airspace to hit the required target.

If you have read the entire thread you will note that it was changed to an electromagnetic redirection system where the beam is charged and the "reflector" satillite(s) are oppositely charged to simply redirect the beam without using the damn mirrors that you people have such a problem with. So shut up about the mirrors! If you don't you might end up with a commando unit at your doorstep! :mp5: Note that this is a hollow threat and you more than likely will not, but shut up about them anyway.

OOC: This ODIUS sounds a touch like the Grand Cannon from the Robotech Book series, massive particle cannon based in alaska designed to hit mirrors and strike ground targets, if I recall from the books, the gun never worked, destroyed its sattelites. Only time it was ever used was during the Zentraedi invasion, it fired up into the huge fleet, and overloaded after two shots.

In short, massive ground based energy cannons are a bad idea. And they can't work using modern tech due to the massive energy demands and the requirment of sustained, regulated fusion to provide sufficent power, which does not currently exist. Also, I'm curious as to where you were going to store the massive nuclear waste from this weapon. Also, if based on sattelites how do you plan on protecting these sattelites from anti-sattelite missiles which are common in all developed nations. Also, how is your governemtn going to explain that massive energy surge which is going to show up around the world?

Not trying to be a dick, just thought these were valid questions.

OOC: This ODIUS sounds a touch like the Grand Cannon from the Robotech Book series, massive particle cannon based in alaska designed to hit mirrors and strike ground targets, if I recall from the books, the gun never worked, destroyed its sattelites. Only time it was ever used was during the Zentraedi invasion, it fired up into the huge fleet, and overloaded after two shots.

In short, massive ground based energy cannons are a bad idea. And they can't work using modern tech due to the massive energy demands and the requirment of sustained, regulated fusion to provide sufficent power, which does not currently exist. Also, I'm curious as to where you were going to store the massive nuclear waste from this weapon. Also, if based on sattelites how do you plan on protecting these sattelites from anti-sattelite missiles which are common in all developed nations. Also, how is your governemtn going to explain that massive energy surge which is going to show up around the world?

Not trying to be a dick, just thought these were valid questions.

The beam itself has its own nuclear reactor, and we just send the waste to some place that'll take it. The emiter is kept powered down when not in use, so power wouldn't be a problem. We have point defence satelites around the mirrors that blind the sensors of the incoming missiles, we thought of that already. We don't need to explain the massive energy surge, as we can just deny it occured.

Actualy, I got the idea for the weapon from CnC Generals.

We worked out all the technical bugs that we could, including the mirror issue, that we don't have. I AM SICK OF PEOPLE MENTIONING THE MIRRORS!
Also it is running on its own internalized power network so we don't have to worry about explaining the power surge. The particle beam coming down and destroying things that it hits with the power of a tactical nuke maybe, but not a power surge.

Oh and before there are anymore posts about them I have something to say:

THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL MIRRORS IN THIS SYSTEM SO DO NOT MENTION THEM!!!

OK, I edited out the part with the special alloy, so that should shut them up.

We worked out all the technical bugs that we could, including the mirror issue, that we don't have. I AM SICK OF PEOPLE MENTIONING THE MIRRORS!
Also it is running on its own internalized power network so we don't have to worry about explaining the power surge. The particle beam coming down and destroying things that it hits with the power of a tactical nuke maybe, but not a power surge.

Oh and before there are anymore posts about them I have something to say:

THERE ARE NO PHYSICAL MIRRORS IN THIS SYSTEM SO DO NOT MENTION THEM!!!


OOC: I didn't mention any mirrors. Damn, and yes you do have to explain a power surge. A particle beam of that size being discharged is going to show up, internal power or not, as your compadre suggested denying it or attributing it to something else is pretty much all you do. Though I doubt it'll be believed, but thats what governments do anyway. As for the PD Sats, not a bad idea, though if anyone gets hit with that, expect nukes going to for the sats.

Personaly, I won't play with a superweapon like this. But if y'all have people that are down for it, run with it.

Actualy, I got the idea for the weapon from CnC Generals.

[Ha! I knew this thing reaked of C&C]

I was referring to a lot of people, not you in particular. Many people are obsessed with critizicing the system over the mirrors that we removed long ago. I appologize. Also I was thinking of power being sucked away from the international community, not the fact that on any scan it would look like a lightning bolt the size of the sun was compressed into the emitter's area. I simply misunderstood your post. One last thing, it only has the power of a tactical nuke so it really can't be considered a super-weapon, just a way to do the same job without dealing with the costs of a one use tactical nuke.

OOC: Only thing is, the energy loss during travel and ridirection would be instense, plus interference of atmospehre, i.e. air and the like, also drain power as it moves along. It'd take and cost far more then its worth. Scandinavian States has a good point, a B-1 Bone can get in, drop a couple of tac nukes and get out before they can be taken down, its a more practical, realistic option. I think conventional yield ICBM's with MIRV heads get the job done just as well.

Yes, but the thing with this thing is it can't be intercepted, so I can basicly ignore all enemy airdefences and level their presidential palace whenever I felt like.

thus making it a superweapon, and why I would never RP with it

Yes, but the thing with this thing is it can't be intercepted, so I can basicly ignore all enemy airdefences and level their presidential palace whenever I felt like.

[Actually, you can't. As someone else said, Anti-Satellite Missiles are widely proliferated and 100 can be built for every satellite you manage to manufacture. Also, there are a few dozen nations like myself that have sats armed with multi-purpse kenetic weapons that are fully capable of taking down other satellites.]

We calculate were the beam would be bent to, and the satelite has manuvering thrusters to adjust to were the beam's gonna be.


Ok, so now the weapon is less effecient. And what's stopping other nations from putting satellites with magnets to interfere with your targeting?

OOC: JA, I gave you a response for in the oil RP, its right after when you told me to cean up the mess, go respond.

OK, so now we know the weapon works, so why are you talking about how to stop it? This thread is about making sure it works.

OOC: JA, I gave you a response for in the oil RP, its right after when you told me to cean up the mess, go respond.

OK, so now we know the weapon works, so why are you talking about how to stop it? This thread is about making sure it works.

i'm just looking out for you man.

i'm just looking out for you man.
I feel so loved...

I feel so loved...

well as my space program hasn't been active for a while, i won't be able to stop it with satellites, but if someone else wants to, i can't stop them.

well as my space program hasn't been active for a while, i won't be able to stop it with satellites, but if someone else wants to, i can't stop them.
You gonna post on the oil thread or not?

You gonna post on the oil thread or not?

i was at the library, now i'm back home, will get there