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This doctrine was announced a couple weeks before the NS forums went down


This doctrine will go into effect immediately:

"It has become apparent that the international community has turned its back to the problems on the continent of Africa. The entire region is ragaved by civil war, resulting in millions of innocent men, women, and children dead each and every year. The international community has turned its back because the resources and time nessesary to fix the problems are something that no one is willing to devote. Credonia has been exploring and experimenting with this as is evident in the Somalia conflict that has just ended not too long ago. We too have fallen victim to the same accusation that was made about the international community, however, it is the pledge of this nation to change that. We will bring peace, stability, and progress to Africa, however, our approach will not be like one that we have undertaken in the past. We will not impost a democratic government on the nations within Africa. Instead, we will help to establish a government that the PEOPLE want, whether it be communist, democratic, monarcaic, etc. The people will decide what is best for them. In addition to this nation building role, Credonia will provide humanitarian assistance to nations who need it, such as Nigeria, Cameroon, Guinea-Bissau, Algeria, Somalia, South Africa, etc.

Credonia recognizes the risks involved in undertaking such an endeavour, but we are devoted and dedicated to the task and cause of progressing these nations, and ending the years of civil war that will only end with outside intervention fighting on the side of the people."

A coalition is now being assembled to help with this endeavour. If your nation is interested, please state so here:

Kihameria
A Few Rich People
Nova Hope

We support this endeavour and are interested in helping Africa rise from it's decline in world standards.

God bless

OOC

We are VERY interested in Egypt ...

Thank you for your pledge of help in this noble pursuit.

Also, a conference will be held when the coalition is formed prior to any activity in Africa. The basis of the conference will be on a course of action in various countries on the continent.

Once again, we will aid Credonia as much as we can in its endeavors in Africa.

I have to admit, the idea is very good. But there's one downside, when you help the people install a new type of government there will be always people who disagree with you. After all, you will have to choose which one you shall help lead the country. And if the government is in place in which the majority of the people hath chosen in an election what will the other side think? Credonia helped the people we oppose? He let us down and now we're at the mercy of our enemies? In Africa there are still countless tribes and most of the time they don't get along with each other nicely...

We of the Mikosolf Corperation understand the need for a stable society. However, we also search for expanding markets and wonder if both goals could be worked together benifiting all.

ooc: I was under the impression that the NS Africa wasn't that bad because there are some large countries who hold sway over it.

ooc: I was under the impression that the NS Africa wasn't that bad because there are some large countries who hold sway over it.


Yes, they hold some of the countries but not all of them, but we will be collaborating with them. We have contacted them before the NS forums went down. More information will come soon.

Yes, they hold some of the countries but not all of them, but we will be collaborating with them. We have contacted them before the NS forums went down. More information will come soon.

So will your RP be dealing with the real life circumstances or those that exist in Nation States? I am interested but I don't want to deal with another 'Parralel Universe' kind of deal.

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We support this idea in principal, but are not be prepared to join it.

Notice To All: Dont post unless you have something to contribute (such as conflicting views) or unless you are going to give some kind of support (military, food, etc) AND plan on attending the conference.

Our Republic would be willing to provide aid by means of our military might. Aequatian forces can act as peacemakers and allow other nations to take over as peacekeepers and rebuilders.

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President Nicklas Schaeffer

Thank you for your pledge of assistance. We look forward to speaking with your nations representatives at the conference.

The SD fully supports this principal, and wishes all luck to the Coalition.

From Kaiser Phillip I

So will your RP be dealing with the real life circumstances or those that exist in Nation States? I am interested but I don't want to deal with another 'Parralel Universe' kind of deal.

Don't want to be flooding the thread but you never answered my question.

Don't want to be flooding the thread but you never answered my question.
Yes, real life situations with a bit of a twist. The twist being nations that control or have claim over african nations (that are part of the coalition) their african nations will be however they set them up (i.e a government they established, their economic status, etc.)

Hey, Credonia, it's been a while. After all the military stuff I bought from you, I owe you. I'd be glad to help in any way possible. In fact, 50,000 cases of medicine and relief supplies are on the way along with 5,000 engineers and 500 escort troops with M-4sw/grenade launcher in case of surprsie guerilla attacks. They on the way via 5 C-130s. Hope you have an airfield ready.

25,000 shiploads of medicine, vaccines, etc. and over 100,000 tons of food are being shipped to Africa as we speak. 15,000 engineers are being sent to build roads, hospitals, and schools and to drill wells.

This doctrine was announced a couple weeks before the NS forums went down


This doctrine will go into effect immediately:

"It has become apparent that the international community has turned its back to the problems on the continent of Africa. The entire region is ragaved by civil war, resulting in millions of innocent men, women, and children dead each and every year. The international community has turned its back because the resources and time nessesary to fix the problems are something that no one is willing to devote. Credonia has been exploring and experimenting with this as is evident in the Somalia conflict that has just ended not too long ago. We too have fallen victim to the same accusation that was made about the international community, however, it is the pledge of this nation to change that. We will bring peace, stability, and progress to Africa, however, our approach will not be like one that we have undertaken in the past. We will not impost a democratic government on the nations within Africa. Instead, we will help to establish a government that the PEOPLE want, whether it be communist, democratic, monarcaic, etc. The people will decide what is best for them. In addition to this nation building role, Credonia will provide humanitarian assistance to nations who need it, such as Nigeria, Cameroon, Guinea-Bissau, Algeria, Somalia, South Africa, etc.

Credonia recognizes the risks involved in undertaking such an endeavour, but we are devoted and dedicated to the task and cause of progressing these nations, and ending the years of civil war that will only end with outside intervention fighting on the side of the people."

A coalition is now being assembled to help with this endeavour. If your nation is interested, please state so here:

Kihameria
A Few Rich People
Nova Hope

If this is indeed, your policy, you will have my support.

I have to admit, the idea is very good. But there's one downside, when you help the people install a new type of government there will be always people who disagree with you. After all, you will have to choose which one you shall help lead the country. And if the government is in place in which the majority of the people hath chosen in an election what will the other side think? Credonia helped the people we oppose? He let us down and now we're at the mercy of our enemies? In Africa there are still countless tribes and most of the time they don't get along with each other nicely...
that why new borders should be based along ethnic lines if possible.

I am interested in your plan. I do have reservations, comments and in my opinion good advice to give. However this is not the place to do that. I will not offer any tangible support until the battle lines are drawn, only fools rush in. If you would host a conference for the coalition of the willing we would attend, if only to further develop our opinion on the effort. (This could be done either here on the invison boards if secrecy is an issue. I’m also willing to it via IRC or some other instant chat.) So count me in as a possible ally but I am not a hatched egg, if you know what I mean.

Looking forward to improving the world with you;
President Eric Lincoln

The coalition conference will begin on friday at 12:00 pm EDT

I am willing to give whatever i can, be it troops or money. Alothugh, because of my nations youth, we cannot offer as much as other nations.

Akhtendum, Rodavia, and Hein have met with the United Faiths president, who is incidentally the founder and delegate of NS Africa, and Credonia is officially barred from setting foot upon NS Africa soil.

Credonia, I will advise you again to cease this foolishness.

We will be happy to support ANY action to to help the African Continent.

As a nation-state with more than 1 billion in population, a thriving economy and a strong military, the Ruling Council of the Republic of Ozymandias IV fails to see the need for Credonian intervention in African affairs.

Our sphere of interest includes much of eastern and southern Africa and we urge Credonia to tread carefully.

- Umberto IV
SecInfo

As a nation-state with more than 1 billion in population, a thriving economy and a strong military, the Ruling Council of the Republic of Ozymandias IV fails to see the need for Credonian intervention in African affairs.

Our sphere of interest includes much of eastern and southern Africa and we urge Credonia to tread carefully.

- Umberto IV
SecInfo
It is indeed my intention to, which is why i have invited a number of nations with much control over africa, to the conference. ALso this is directed to the nation of Hein, i have been informed by powerful and influential nations within your african region that your threats are to be ignored, and i am going to do so. I am in talks with a couple of nations from your region (one a 3 time former delegate) on my true intentions and i have made them very clear and im pretty sure he will understand. In addition, i have invited him and his region to join the coalition. Because of your stance and your disrespect for such a noble and PEACEFUL (the punchline) cause, you are not welcome to join the coalition and i will see to it that you have no say in the coalitions affairs. If you wish to have a say, you will need to talk to your superiors within the coalition to voice your opinion, if it is relevant.

The UWA would like to send delegates to the conferance, though we reserve judgement on joining until we have a very good idea as to its methods and ideas. As part of a sadly shrinking number of self-ruled democratic African states who enjoy a certain amount of stability, the Federation does not think it arrogant to say that a conferance on the state of Africa would not be entirely complete without our input.

As a colonial power we too wish to attend this conference. Since we own Libya and Mississippian Egypt we have a vested interest in making sure that in the words of Minister of Affairs Paul Stahlecker, "The african is kept in his place, his place being down. And that the muddled ideas of equality and freedom are not allowed to spread and infect the natives in our colonies."

Parthia thinks that a return to colonialism would benefit the African people by introducing actual civilization. Shah Khosru also reminds the community that Africa had the greatest economic prosperity and peace while it was controlled by colonial powers. The Shah also would like to say that only with colonial capital can the economies of Africa improve.

It is indeed my intention to, which is why i have invited a number of nations with much control over africa, to the conference. ALso this is directed to the nation of Hein, i have been informed by powerful and influential nations within your african region that your threats are to be ignored, and i am going to do so. I am in talks with a couple of nations from your region (one a 3 time former delegate) on my true intentions and i have made them very clear and im pretty sure he will understand. In addition, i have invited him and his region to join the coalition. Because of your stance and your disrespect for such a noble and PEACEFUL (the punchline) cause, you are not welcome to join the coalition and i will see to it that you have no say in the coalitions affairs. If you wish to have a say, you will need to talk to your superiors within the coalition to voice your opinion, if it is relevant.


Akhtendum is not favored in the political arena, Credonian fool. His empire will fall with yours, no matter the cost. We will not be enslaved by you and your imperial ambition. You will lose.

Chellis views credonias policy of helping the africans as a noble one. However, it must be stringent in not allowing credonian or non-chellian help into Nigeria or Algeria, nations under chellis. In algeria we have already quadrupled the GDP per capita, and in the rest of chellian west africa, on average tripled. Chellis is full swing in helping these nations, although as due to chellian law, the borders are strictly closed, one of the reasons being that the chellian reconstruction plans arent interfered with.

I would like to note being the leader of a nation that is actually in the African Region, that we do not desire your aid. Many of you seem to believe that aid is needed, however, the majority of Africa wishes to have nothing to do with your nations. Being the Economic Councilor of the African Union, we cannot see your aid packages as anything but to roll up the debt of the Union, and put stress upon a Union that is already barely staying in the black. To conclude, the African Region has no interest in your aid packages, and does not wish to become subject to another colonial attempt to civilize our nations. Should your nations not heed my words, expect a bitter fight, in which the peoples of Africa would ultimately be victorious.

I must also tell you this, even should you not attempt to colonize, we still will not take your aid. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force it to drink. Thank you for your time, and efforts, but they are not needed, as the Federal Republic of Astoria already supplies over a billion Marks a year to Africa. Once again. Danke.

- Chancellor Mikaela Federspiel

OOC {

I must ask that if you do indeed intend to actually interact with the African Region, that you must follow our rules and guidelines to how we play. The way we play there is no Chellian West Africa. Only the nations in West Africa that we have mapped. I must also tell you that our region uses realistic population figures. Meaning should your nation reside in Germany you will have roughly 80 million people. Please visit our regional forum for information on the structure of Africa, and our maps.
http://nsafrica.board.dk3.us/2/ (Forum)
http://www.geocities.com/nsafrica/ (Official Website)*

* = Leadership pages have not been updated in ages.

}

Coalition Conference: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6608741#post6608741

Your region delegate is open to the idea. I have been in contact with him...

I would like to note being the leader of a nation that is actually in the African Region, that we do not desire your aid. Many of you seem to believe that aid is needed, however, the majority of Africa wishes to have nothing to do with your nations. Being the Economic Councilor of the African Union, we cannot see your aid packages as anything but to roll up the debt of the Union, and put stress upon a Union that is already barely staying in the black. To conclude, the African Region has no interest in your aid packages, and does not wish to become subject to another colonial attempt to civilize our nations. Should your nations not heed my words, expect a bitter fight, in which the peoples of Africa would ultimately be victorious.

I must also tell you this, even should you not attempt to colonize, we still will not take your aid. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force it to drink. Thank you for your time, and efforts, but they are not needed, as the Federal Republic of Astoria already supplies over a billion Marks a year to Africa. Once again. Danke.

- Chancellor Mikaela Federspiel

OOC {

I must ask that if you do indeed intend to actually interact with the African Region, that you must follow our rules and guidelines to how we play. The way we play there is no Chellian West Africa. Only the nations in West Africa that we have mapped. I must also tell you that our region uses realistic population figures. Meaning should your nation reside in Germany you will have roughly 80 million people. Please visit our regional forum for information on the structure of Africa, and our maps.
http://nsafrica.board.dk3.us/2/ (Forum)
http://www.geocities.com/nsafrica/ (Official Website)*

* = Leadership pages have not been updated in ages.

}


Money, does not and will not solve MOST of Africa's problems.

A statement made by President Sutton on the NS Africa regons private forum today:

"I would like to thank your regional leader for allowing me to have a civilized discussion with your nations on this private forum.

From reading what everyone has said and commented about what you belive my true intentions are, you must understand my logic behind my actions and understand what i mean when i say certain things.

1) When i spoke of using military force, I did not imply that i would go in without some kind of backing and justification, nor do i believe that the entire continent is in a state of civil war. Im well aware of the situation in the African nations, but you must all admit that there are rebels that cause problems that need to be dealt with.

2) I would not ask for your support if I really wanted to come into your continent and take over a nation. I will do it with or without allied support and i would have done it by now (note i have a very large army of over 4 million regulars and over 15 million reservists with just over 96,000 infantry vehicles). While i was not aware that you all (your region) would respond (in fact I never thought it existed since i dont know half if the nations in it except rodivia), I still took it upon myself to try to gain your turst and cooperation so that we could make Africa a more developed, more friendly, more civil place to live, and work. As one of the comments mentioned above by one of your regional allies, Credonia has never had a history of colonial expansion, and we will not start now. Credonia has a reputation to keep and I have no intetion of destroying the good reputation that it has built up over the time it has been in existence. The mere thought is perposterous.

Also, the coalition i am forming consists of nations no one would have ever thought would be working with Credonia, such as Chellis (we got into a quarrel some time ago over an issue that involved one of the nations Chellis sent peacekeepers into). He has, as you can see if you go to the NS forums, voiced his support and has joined the coalition, so if you really think that I am out for my nations own personal gain, think again. The only way credonia would acuire territory was if we bought it legally, were attacked by another nation or if another nation presented a clear and present threat and danger to Credonia, and no nation on the face of the African continent holds such status.

Now, my nation is decent enough to ask for your help because you must admit, Africa does have problems that would need some level of support to try to tackle, and my nations is not out to make enemies. My nation is out to help those in need. Some of you nations may be saying, "We dont want your help" but you all know good and well that for some problems that you have, like with AIDS, you good and well need all the help you can get, and my nation is practicaly offering you that aid, with no strings attacked, for free, and out of the goodness of our hearts. You can try to destroy Credonia's credibility by stating that my true intentions are shrouded behind empty lies, theres nothing stopping you, and im pretty sure there are some gullable nations out there that will actually believe you, against an honorable nation who has never shown any imperialistic aggression in the entire history of Credonia (just 3 months shy of a full year..pretty damn impressive), but in the end, who is really being hurt? Certainly not Credonia and its coalition allies, but instead, your own people, who you know NEED help, maybe not with everything, but there are issues that you know you need additional help with. And as I said, Credonia is offering you that assistance, free, and with absolutly no strings attached.

Ya know, its amazing how people jump on others who have a real, deep, heartfelt, and sincere desire to want to do something good for others. They get criticized and rideculed for it, and you know what, thats totally not right, and that is EXACTLY what you all are doing now. Just because a nation pledges to try to help your people, with your own support, doesnt mean they are evil and out to do harm. Quite frankly, for those in need, they are lucky that there are even nations/people who actually care and really want to help, because no one really has to do anything to help you. THe international community can go on to do what it has, and thats practically continue to take over portions of Africa, or just flat out not care about it and its people. So, with that being said, if you dont want our support, then thats on you all, your not hurting anyone but yourselves and your people.

I hope you reconsider joining my coalition. The offer is still wide open."

--tagged, mildly intersted although not in a particularly giving mood atm :P damn doujin's cost a bomb :(--

Praetonia will join. (OOC: Sorry Im tired)

Celtayoshi will support Credonia with financial aid, regretably the Governemnt of Celtayoshi is tied up at the moment (OOC:Summer Holidays) and will only be able to financial aid until the military command can sort through its rebuilding. The Celtayoshi Fund for Africa is the government branch with will aid you with supplies

Celtayoshi, thanks for your support. I invite you to join the conference that is currently in session and give any input you may have. Thanks again.

from credonia's regional board:

4 days ago
The Brave New World of Cousin Eddie
Credonia, I just got a TG about you invading Africa...? Care to explain?

Why does everyone keep calling this an invasion. Its not an invasion, hell its not even an act of aggression.....

I was just wondering what it ment, thats all

Campaign Update

Credonia has not forgotten its promise nor has it forgotten its agenda or plans to provide humanitarian aid to Africa. Pressing affairs abroad have temporarily diverted out attention and efforts, but as soon as they are resolved, Africa will be the main focus of Credonian political and humanitarian efforts. A time or date cannot be released as of yet on when Credonia will begin preparing for this endeavour, but it will be very soon. Help is still on the way!

Falastur would like to remind the Credonian leadership that it still strongly disapproves of the Credonian attitude of policing the world where they have no right to, and will be monitoring this conflict.

The Roycelandian Government is concerned at the Credonian assumption that every African country is dirt poor and being oppressed by Europeans.

Roycelandian East Africa is a prosperous, democratic, egalitarian Colony with one of the highest living standards on the Continent, equal rights for all, and almost no crime.

As such, we are always prepared to assist our less fortunate neighbours in Africa, but we will in no way even entertain the idea of a regime change in REA...

Roycelandia, the assumption that Credonia thinks that every nation in Africa isnt up to par with developing standards is a wrong assumption. We are well aware that there are some nicely developing nations ther, but you must acknowledge the fact that there are still SOME that are having a hard time. Even if a nation is developing, there are more things we can do to assist those nations, do you not agree? Providing them with a little extra assistance wont hurt em, and some if not most may like the idea, so whats the harm in giving them aid?

Falastur, your "disapproval" has been duly noted. Dont take this personally but, Credonia doesnt care still. Your intentions are good, but if you remember that little debate that we had on the Victoria forums, you will know what my intentions are and how we plan on going about doing what we plan on doin. There needs to be little concern. Remember, the people are the central focuz of this entire drive. Its not about international prestige, its not even about fighting evil regimes, or the acquisition of territory (which will NOT happen). Its about helpign the people, even if they have been helped. No one would turn down a chance for a better future, expecially if it is being given to you for free with no strings attached. Would you? I know i sure as hell wouldnt.

Remember, the people are the central focus of this entire drive. Its not about international prestige, its not even about fighting evil regimes, or the acquisition of territory (which will NOT happen). Its about helping the people, even if they have been helped. No one would turn down a chance for a better future, expecially if it is being given to you for free with no strings attached. Would you? I know i sure as hell wouldnt.

Can you be sure you are helping them? Can you be sure that the Africans will give you a rousing welcome, cheering you down the streets, as you march a huge army in regardless of whether they want it, promising a complete upheaval of everything they have known in life, whether they like it or not? Can you be sure that the new Governments will not be overthrown after you leave, giving rise to a new level of Civil War? Can you be sure the Governments will not turn corrupt, usurping aid, using the power you gave them and the military backing you give them to enforce their demands on the country? It isn't easy to keep tabs on everything, and you never know whether your actions, honourable in intention though they are, will genuinely be positive in the long run.

Just take care, Credonia, for one day someone may finally make a legislation stopping you from policing what is not yours.

Roycelandia is prepared to give the Sutton Doctrine its full support, on the condition that Roycelandia's Colonies and Territories in Africa will not be interfered with.

We can devote large sums of money, materiels, and personnel to assist the disadvantaged in Africa, but we are not going to allow the democratic government of Roycelandian East Africa to be undermined by "African Nationalists", "Anti-Imperialists", and other troublemakers.

It is in our interests to support our African Neighbours, and Credonia can rest assured that this matter will be on our "Top Priority" list.

Can you be sure you are helping them? Can you be sure that the Africans will give you a rousing welcome, cheering you down the streets, as you march a huge army in regardless of whether they want it, promising a complete upheaval of everything they have known in life, whether they like it or not? Can you be sure that the new Governments will not be overthrown after you leave, giving rise to a new level of Civil War? Can you be sure the Governments will not turn corrupt, usurping aid, using the power you gave them and the military backing you give them to enforce their demands on the country? It isn't easy to keep tabs on everything, and you never know whether your actions, honourable in intention though they are, will genuinely be positive in the long run.

Do not forget that were this to happen then Credonia could simply remove that government form power, they are easily strong enough to do this by themselves, and with several allies any government that turns corrupt could easily be overthrown.
All things considered this should really be benificial, most african nations will be able to use the aid to their advantage, under the watchful eye of the international community.

yep, celtayoshi hit the nail right on the head with that one