NationStates Jolt Archive

After countless months of battles, the fascist regime of Zarbia has decided to follow the advice of RomeW and have issued a request to all the nations involved in the Zarbian War to talk peace.

Tyrandis will only agree to participate in peace talks if and only if Zarbia guarantees that this will not be a repeat of the first war's conclusion. (OOC: First war ended when The Macabees secretly shipped in thousands of troops and installed the fascist regime.)

All Tyrandis SF, Rangers, and Pathfinders entrenched in Zarbia have been issued orders to hold fire and cease operations.

OOC: I'm guessing this is made since the original thread got lost.

IC: Rufus Modena sat at a large, round table inside the Imperium Parliament building in Rome. The Roman government, which grew increasingly worried for the welfare of the Zarbian people, felt it was necessary to bring all the sides together for peace talks. The war was going back and forth with no clear winner in sight, and looked as though it would not be resolved soon.

Eventually, all of the delegates arrived at the Imperium and sat down at the table. In the centre stood an emblem depicting simply a caterpillar within a circle. Modena began by speaking about it. "You may be wondering what that emblem stands for. It is the emblem for Rome's United Nations delegation, with each symbol having a distinct but very intertwined meaning. The circle is to represent unity, while the caterpillar represents a new beginning (as it later becomes a butterfly). We hope that, in time, we may be able to resolve our differences and unite to create a better, more prosperous future for Zarbia," Modena said.

"Now, here's how it will work. Each of you will get half an hour (OOC: one full post each) to describe your position and then we will go from there."

ooc: A fascist government in trouble? Just say the word.....

OOC: Roma!

The Zarbian fascist regime wants all enemy foreign troops to leave our soil immediately. We will to give them a one week ultimatum. Zarbia also wishes to keep all territory it previously had control over before this conflict began. Any Zarbian P.O.W.'s held by foreign forces must be turned over as well, the same will be done for all other parties involved.

That is all, thank you for your time.

The BitingRealitan delegate, John Myor, grumbled a little when he heard Modena's little speech on the emblem. A warmongering country like BitingReality doesn't know peace, but he knew problems would occur if he didn't do anything to bring peace to Zarbia.

"Our stance is simple: the re-instatement of the Zarbian government, the promise that our borders with Zarbia will be respected and recognized and the end of terrorist activity within Zarbia. Say whatever you want of the Resistence, but the fact of the matter is they still violated Zarbian law, and that is unacceptable."

After hearing brief but stern statements from the Zarbian and BitingRealitan delegations, Modena turned to the Bactrian delegate, Peter Towers. Towers smiled when given the chance to speak.

"Colleagues...today we have been assigned a very special and important task. We have been asked to repair the state of Zarbia and end months of chaos.

What is the basis for our stance? Freedom. The freedom of choice. The Bactrians believe that the war in Zarbia erupted because the Zarbians were not given the freedom to choose their leaders, how they are governed, what products they are able to buy and simply how to go about their daily lives. We in Bactria do not believe that is right. What we are looking for is more freedom, because Zarbia deserves it."

He also updated the Bactrian situation in Zarbia. "We would also like to inform you that Bactria has pulled out of Zarbia to bolster the talks."

Borin Trotzig listened to the Bactrians speak and finally snapped.

"The people don't know what they want. They will always disagree and nothing will ever be solved, there will always be citizens unhappy with the nation. It should be the leaders who decide what is best for our country and do those things."

Before Towers could interject, Modena spoke up. "Mr. Towers, Mr. Trotzig...your stances have been noted and taken into full consideration. However, I still want to hear from Tyrandis, Harador and the Macabees (OOC: as well as Xaniquall if they are interested in the talks), after which we can discuss back and forth our differences in the hopes of arriving at a consensus."

"We refuse to bargain with terrorists." said Trotzig. "Xanigall and the Resistance are terrorists, plain and simple."

(OOC: I'm not even sure if Xaniquall is even involved anymore, so I'm just assuming they're not here unless they specifically state that they are)

IC: "Mr. Trotzig, I am aware of your displeasure with the Resistence, and we are aware that they have violated Zarbian law. However, in the interests of the Zarbian people- and of your government and your nation as a whole- that we find some common ground between the two sides and establish peace so that Zarbia can again be prosperous."

"Our nation was doing well before this war. Our people were fairly happy, our economy was thriving, and everything was calm. Then, these traitors started this entire conflict and nothing good has come of it."

An emissary of harador stood up calmly and smiled.

"Zarbia is a miltary threat now to harador and anyone else who entered the war.So I propose zarbias miltary is reduced by 10%, all long range missiles are destroyed and rome holds garrisons and regular checks of zarbia operations including civil rights abuse and all orther things.

Harador will consider giving back zarbia its pows but as of yet we see no reason to, for zarbia is still unrelenting.

We will be getting are troops out of zarbia but should the peace talks fail or any miltary movements are made by zarbia it will mean swift movement of them back in.

We of harador are willing to discuss peace but we also need resurences zarbia wont go on the war path once we let the presure off.

We will also in no way help rebuild zarbia."

with that the speaker sat down still smiling.

Trotzig glared at the Harador speaker.

"For Christ's sakes you fool, Zarbia has been greatly crippled by this war. We do not pose a threat to anyone, we must rebuild our great nation and make it what it was before. Zarbia has never been on any warpath, the few times we have fought were to protect our own country."

The speaker once again stood up.

" Mr Trotzig who illegally may I remind you murdered the former president is a very serious threat and should be charged with war crimes for starving his peaple.We cannot allow him to control such a large army for what will stop him in the future."

He sat down again and whispeared to the advisor behind him who promtly left the room.

"You are the ones who trapped him in his own office and slaughtered him!" yelled Trotzig angrily.

Once again the speaker stood up.

"We here at harador never gave any such order.He was to be arrested.From are last contact with are force in the city was that he had been shot by an unknown force under your command.You also murdered those men after they surrendered.We would also ask the new illegal president to calm down.

The speaker sat down.There was yet a nation missing here he thought to himself.

President Trotzig shook his head.

"The former president, Mr. Kristof, had been captured by Harador forces and trapped in his office. I personally ordered a Polizia squad to try and save him, but there were complications. The Harador soldiers gave Mr. Kristof a substance that would make him tell them anything they asked. The Harador forces drugged him and asked him for the silo codes. He was beginning to tell the enemy just as the Polizia squad burst into the room. One of men heard him and shot him, killing him instantly. The Polizia operative had no other choice, it was for the good of the nation. If the enemy had gotten these codes we would have been worse off."

He finished speaking and glared at the Harador speaker. He just wanted these talks to end and his nation restored to him.

OOC: Tyrandis asked me to post this for him because the forums weren't working for him.

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The only Tyrandis delegate was Captain Richard Tiran, fresh from the frontlines of combat in Zarbia. He was still wearing combat fatigues, although he did have the distinctive green beret of the Special Forces.

Gazing at the delegation, he gave the Tyrandis government's position in the war:

"The Imperial Triumviate demands the immediate destruction of the corrupt Zarbian government. We went to war twice to try to defend the people of Zarbia from fascist oppression; we will not settle for anything less."

Tiran then turned to the Zarbian military dictator, and continued to speak.

"General Trotzig,", he spat, "I remember the first war and what the fascists did in their quest to gain power, considering that I was there in person.

I distinctly recall that you yourself murdered the leader of the democratic opposition, and had Mr. Jeof Danz gun down any commmunist supporters in the streets.

I also remember the brutal effect that fascist rule had on war-torn Zarbia, including your own personal order to starve the masses in order to supply your armies.

Also, in the government's desperate attempts to retain power, I recall that Zarbian forces killed thousands of civilians that also sought freedom.

Now, you are telling me that the people preferred life under the fascist regime?

Unless all of Zarbia is composed of madmen, I must say that you are a barefaced liar."

"That's, President Trotzig to you, Captain," said Trotzig, "Whatever I have done, however brutal if may have been, was for the good of Zarbia. I may be a murderer, but I am in no way unpatriotic. Would you not kill for your nation, Mr. Tiran? To protect your country from destruction, would you not put a bullet in a man's head? I sure as hell would, and I have." he said firmly.
"Under a fascist government, Zarbia has been stronger than ever before. Our nation has no crime and our people are free to walk the streets at night without the danger of being robbed or harmed. Of course, civilians have been killed, but they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. We must destroy all enemies and opposition. If there's a riot, you better hope the sons of bitches involved are running for their lives, because they will be punished. Our nation is strong, unified, and safe, our people fare much better living under fascist rule than by living under any other government."

Borin Trotzig stared Tiran in the eyes. One day, I will kill that man. he thought.

OOC: Oddly enough, this puppet works ok for forums. Zarbia, could you please post that post I TGed you earlier? I'll get back to posting on my own side.

(OOC: Since I don't want to have to log in and out again, I'll also post for BitingReality and the Bactrians. I will mark off who is who by sections.)

-------------------------------RomeW------------------------------------

Modena saw the animated Trotzig and Tiran and decided to step in. "Gentlemen! Please...let's resolve this in a civilized manner."

The two men sat back down.

"Now, let's look at the facts: right now, Zarbia is in ruins. The capital has been besieged and sacked, the President is dead, and the country is going hungry. Before the war, Zarbia did have a successful economy but was laced with several riots and has experienced two devastating civil wars within the past year. This has been a country that has been wrapped up in turmoil- it needs something that will guarantee it stability, something I believe this peace process can achieve only if we work together," Modena said without flinching.

-------------------------------the Bactrians-------------------------------

Towers, the Bactrian delegate, spoke up. "I think, Mr. Modena, that we must look into the case of President Trotzig, because Harador has made a valid point. Trotzig had his own President murdered and stole power from him. He is a war criminal and nothing less."

-------------------------------BitingReality--------------------------------

Myor, the BitingRealitan delegate, rose up. "Borin Trotzig is no criminal! He had no choice in what he did- the President was about to give out classified information, and for the good of the nation he had to be executed. Also, the war was not over when Harador captured the President- he and Trotzig were still under Zarbian law, and under no juristiction were the Haradorians allowed to 'arrest' him. He was held hostage, and thus that makes the Haradorians criminals!"

------------------------------RomeW-------------------------------------

Modena spoke up. "Gentlemen, we will determine all this once the talks are over. Tyrandis, your thoughts?"

Here is another Tyrandis message.

Tiran met Trotzig's murderous stare with a cold gaze.

"Ok, 'President' Trotzig," answered Tiran stonily, "I do not know how your soldiers are taught, but Tyrandis and modern military doctrine holds that soldiers such as ourselves do not murder innocents.

I have, myself, shot and killed many men. But all of them were fighters that would not give a second's thought to killing me, the soldiers under my command, or citizens of the Imperial Triumviate.

In all my experience of war, I have never, NEVER seen such a disregard for human life as you and your fascist forces have shown in military operations.

I will grant that the fascist government has brought order to Zarbia. But at what cost?

Let me ask you, if the Fascists were so truly supported, then why would you require the support of a massive foreign state such as the Macabees to install your regime? Why would you need to undermine the democratic system with military force? Why would you need to commit such grievous atrocities against the citizenry to cement your rule?

Clearly, the people in general DO NOT support fascist oppression."

The haradorian delegate stood up and spoke calmly.

"The former president was murdered by this murdering thief.Harador had promised the goverment a safe way out of the country and were disarming zarbia.The president of zarbia agreed but then he was murdered.The goverment in control of zarbia now is even more corrupt then the last and will kill anyone to get what they want.They murdered there own citzens and let them starve so they could feed soilders.

Zarbia must be disarmed immediatly and watched closely."

OOC: That previous message by me should have gone before RomeW's post. Since my puppet works OK for forum, I'll continue.

IC:

After the intervention of Modena, Tiran calmed down slightly.

"We agree that the ultimate goal of these talks is to return stability to Zarbia, but will not tolerate any retention of power by a fascist state. The large resistance movement and atrocities conducted by the government to cement their power base has made clear that any continuation of power by the Fascists will prove disastrous.

However, we disagree that Zarbia must be disarmed. Each nation has a sovereign right to self-defense. Instead, we propose that the political leadership be dismantled and replaced with something acceptable to the populace of Zarbia."

"If we had not kept the soldiers fed, even more civilians would have died. We had to hold the supplies and give them to the fighters, they were holding the line for Christ's sakes!"

Hmmm... forums are fixed :D

OOC: I am again going to post for BitingReality as I don't want to log in and out again.

--------------------------------BitingReality-------------------------------

IC: Myor grew increasingly distressed with the diatribe that was going on in the room. He felt he had to speak up and defend his ally Zarbia.

"People! Please...the Facist government in Zarbia has only been in power for a few months. That is hardly enough time to consolidate power, especially when a completely new government system is installed. It takes time for a country to adapt, and, to say that this government is a failure when it only has had a few months is unfair because they have not had the time to really establish themselves. I at least believe Mr. Trotzig shoud be given a few years to establish himself before we start saying his government has failed.

"Thank you, Mr. Myor." said Trotzig quickly and nodded.

Tiran glared at Myor. "Ok, let us see what the fascists have done for Zarbia in those few weeks of their rule..."

The soldier pulled out a short list, split into pros and cons. He handed it to the BitingRealian delegate...

It read:

"Effects of Zarbian Fascist Movement (ZFM) control of Zarbia:

Pros:
- Ended civil war
- Brought order to provinces
- Strengthened economy

Cons:
- Committed grievous crimes against the citizenry to maintain order, including, but not limited to, midnight raids, murders by secret police, mass executions of those deemed "undesirable", starvation of civilians to maintain military logistical effectiveness, etc.
- Caused numerous rebel factions to form
- Caused alarming inflation and depreciation of the Zarbian currency (OOC: Going by the NSEconomy calculator here: http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Zarbia)"

Tiran then continued. "Yes, all this has happened since the Fascists took power in a period of several weeks. But I'm sure we'll see SOME improvement over the next years. Perhaps they'll cut down public executions to only once a week?" he remarked in a bitter, sarcastic tone.

Myor sat there, feeling a little egg-faced but he held in his emotions. He thought to himself as he read Tyrandis' list, "man, BitingReality has a better track record than that and we've been a nation for far shorter a time." However, he was determined to defend Zarbia, so he put his thinking cap on and proceeded to debate the points.

Cons:
- Committed grievous crimes against the citizenry to maintain order, including, but not limited to, midnight raids, murders by secret police, mass executions of those deemed "undesirable", starvation of civilians to maintain military logistical effectiveness, etc.

"While we cannot deny that those actions have happened, allow me to qualify that those actions were perpretrated under President Kristof. Mr. Trotzig, I assure you, if given the chance, will run the nation in a far different and far more humanitarian way. Trust me, for I know the President personally."

- Caused numerous rebel factions to form

"Every government has its opponents. What makes Zarbia so different?"

- Caused alarming inflation and depreciation of the Zarbian currency (OOC: Going by the NSEconomy calculator here: http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Zarbia)"

"Again, perpretrated under Kristof. Mr. Trotzig will run the nation in a far better way. We just have to give him the chance to do so."

Myor smiled, confident in his points.

Trotzig sat back and listening to the BitingRealitans when he heard his advisor cough beside him. He turned around and looked at the man in digust.

"If you aren't going to help me, why are you even here?" he said angrily.

The advisor gulped. "Sorry sir, I just.."

"Damn fool." spat the president and turned back to the main discussion.

Tiran chuckled inwardly at Myor's response.

"While we cannot deny that those actions have happened, allow me to qualify that those actions were perpretrated under President Kristof. Mr. Trotzig, I assure you, if given the chance, will run the nation in a far different and far more humanitarian way. Trust me, for I know the President personally."

And I know Trotzig a bit better than you, for I have fought him on the battlefield. I have seen the General personally murder a weaponless man in cold blood, carry out Kristof's orders smiling as his troops murdered innocents, and sign an order that caused millions to starve for the sake of his army.

"Every government has its opponents. What makes Zarbia so different?"

Few governments have opponents that will take up arms and spill blood.

"Again, perpretrated under Kristof. Mr. Trotzig will run the nation in a far better way. We just have to give him the chance to do so."

Trotzig already had a chance. He showed the world that he would go even farther than Kristof in his goals to force fascism down the throats of free men.

President Trotzig then spoke. "And what choice had I? A war is a war, we had to secure victory. We might have done things that were brutal but, we had to. If I had not followed my orders, I would not be standing here today. The punishment for disobeying a senior officer in battle is death."

He inhaled and exhaled heavily and continued. "We also wish to accuse Swabodavia of treachery. We had an alliance, and they backstabbed us!"

(OOC: I am going to post for the Bactrians)

Modena spoke up. "Gentlemen! Let us not get carried away by this. We still have a lot of issues to clear up."

Myor, Trotzig and Tiran all sat back down, all staring at each other coldly. Modena breathed a heavy sigh. "This is going to be a lot more difficult than I thought," Modnea thought to himself.

"Okay, so from what I've gathered over these three days is that the central issue is human rights and freedoms. Is there anyone willing to present any possible solutions?"

-------------------------------The Bactrians------------------------------

Towers spoke up. "As much as we do not like Mr. Trotzig, we in Bactria would be willing to accept his government provided that he holds monitored elections in three years and agrees to establish a code of human rights in Zarbia, which will also be monitored by the region. Before the elections, the region can review Mr. Trotzig's performance and then can decide if he is fit to continue ruling."

The only thing we have to say, truly, is that; any attempt to oust the fascist government of Zarbia will result in the re-introduction of war. We are open to having a constution and the guaranteeing of rights; however, a full hearted ousting of government will not be allowed.

Secret War IC:

From Targul Frumos, although stirring problems, greater fleets are heading to Zarbia bringing full force to:

17 Battleships
17 Aircraft Carriers (1500 Kondors, 200 Albatrosse Bombers)
8 Escort Carriers (240 Kondors)
6 Pocket Battleships
60 Type II Nuclear Submarines (nuclear propulsion)
60 Type I Diesel Submarines (for ASW purposes)
80 Patrol Boats
120 Missile Boats
40 Cruisers
40 Destroyers
40 Frigates
200 Assorted Other Ships

The largest naval deployment in the history of the Macabees... a large percentage of the navy.

Accordingly also mobilized and sent outside to wait in waters:

1st White Banner Army (coming from Dr_Twist)
2nd White Banner Army (coming from Dr_Twist)
3rd White Banner Army
4th White Banner Army
5th White Banner Army

(1,000,000 million infantry; 15,000 tanks; ca. 2,500 SP Artillery; 100,000 155mm Fixed Guns; + a lot more)

This is not to be released past high command - mission orders will not be given due to the threat of leaking.

OOC: A million million infantry? :shock: What are you doing? Sending off all of your population to war?

If so, I'll be launching a massive invasion very soon... :D

OOC: Having a 2.335 billion population..I think I'm well justified to having a million man army in Zarbia..in fact, if I wished I could send an entire army of ten million..which is possible, with my 10:1 logistical ratio... I can lower that logistical ratio, make my army a little crappier, and have even more men there! w00t w00t..most nations on NS fight with a 1:2 logistical ratio..I have a 1:10.

OOC: 1,000,000 million infantry - That's what you said you were sending right?

That means it's 1,000,000,000,000 - one trillion soldiers.

It makes no sense!

OOC: Bah..c'mon you're smart... I mean 1 million men... I just wrote it out and added the numbers..common type...in any case:

If war breaks out..here's the thread: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6591990#post6591990

President Trotzig had just about had enough of these talks.

"Mr. Modena, these talks will never end. Neither sides will give up on our beliefs, I am leaving."

With that he stood up and headed towards the exit with his advisor.

If they wanted another war, so be it.

President Trotzig had just about had enough of these talks.

"Mr. Modena, these talks will never end. Neither sides will give up on our beliefs, I am leaving."

With that he stood up and headed towards the exit with his advisor.

If they wanted another war, so be it.

OOC: Do you have AIM so that I can talk to you about the progression of this war?

Mine is nucleicacidman - anybody else in this war can add me on their list if they want.

An aide to the Tyrandisan delegation approached Tiran, and whispered something in his ear.

Tiran stood up and addressed the other three nations.

"Tyrandis National Intelligence operatives have discovered a massive buildup of Macabee forces near the Zarbian coast." he spat in a bitter voice. "Just as I suspected, these talks were nothing more than a ploy to gain time."

The Captain stormed out of the proceedings to a waiting Shadowhawk transport, returning to the Tyrandis homeland in preparation for the inevitable conflict...

OOC: Well, it was inevitable that these peace talks failed in any case. I mean, none of us got a hardcore victory during the war - meaning none of us had any leverate to impose our views. We all still want to fight for what we think is best.

OOC: I do believe it's a little premature to end the talks...there was one possible solution (the one the Bactrians provided) which I believe could have worked.

OOC: While those terms would be acceptable, the mass mobilization of Macabee and his allies's troops have rendered these talks rather pointless.

OOC: I'm guessing everyone still wants to fight...understandable.

OOC: If anyone wants the link to the 2nd war, here it is: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6601995

The haradian delegate stood up.

"As harador suspected this was just a ploy, well harador has not been idle ether.Thougfh harador would prefer not to enter this war again for it will be a bloodbath inevitibly."

With that he walked out.