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Superbullet Technology
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Combining three new technologies, superbullets are revolutionary:
1) Guided ammunition is being developed for all sorts of applications, but it is too complex to use in small caliber weapons. By taking some of the technology and cutting out other parts of it, we are able to use a limited version of it. By removing the advanced course-changing abilities we cut out much of the complex circuitry and data exchange areas of the bullet, so we are left with a much simpler function: stability control. The bullet will fly straight and hit exactly where it was pointed.
2) Silent supersonic flight is being discussed very seriously for airplanes, so why not apply the same concepts to bullets? By redesigning the shape of the bullet, high speeds can still be kept, but the crack of a supersonic round is eliminated. Speed and damage remain the same, sound is reduced.
3) Blended metal surface. Blended metal is an alloy that expands at different temperatures, in this case flesh. Heat given off by the human body causes it to expand as it impacts, providing more stopping power.

Capabilities:
Sure-Hit(tm) Technology, bullet will attempt to hit exactly where it was pointed when it was fired, regardless of environment or gravity. A 20 year old AK-47 with a loose barrel can have the accuracy of an Olympic target rifle using these smart bullets.

Silent shape technology means bullets are substantially quieter, without losing any of the speed or hitting power of conventional rounds. With a standard supressor, they are quieter than subsonic rounds. Better still they can be fired from normal guns, so its possible to have silent machineguns...

Blended metal surface of the bullet expands during impact to dramatically improve stopping power.

For sale:

30 rounds of the caliber of your choice(please specify!): $45
Bulk orders(over 10,000 magazines) recieve 10% discount!

Production rights: $400 Million

Any Questions? Comments?

ill buy 10,000 magazines

do you suggest a caliber?

We're interested in production rights. Funds will be wired upon confirmation.

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-General Irving Ramel
Minister of Law and Defense

yeah and the same as him production rights

i guess.32 cal

Thanks for shopping! Both of your orders are confirmed.

Superbullets: The cheap alternative(and solution) to super soldiers!

we need production rights, as we are trying to improve our Armed forces by improving our 50 year old M-14 Rifles.

Order confirmed!

Your soldiers will appreciate it :-)

(the enemy won't be too thrilled)

I need your Super bullets for my Land Warrior soldier(Weapons:M4 anD Mark 23), Machine Gunners(Weapons:M429 SAW and Desert Eagle) and Snipers(Weapons:SR-25 and Mark 23)

As we already have guided ammo from Kotterdam and Blended Metal, we'd be interesting in acquiring the patent for the silent supersonic design (Which will lower velocity substantially, but worth it for covert ops) so we can apply it to rounds for our special operations and police forces.

Such a bs round, lol...

Such a bs round, lol...
Don't spoil his fun... He's post modern, or supermodern, or whatever, so I guess you could do this... I'm unsure whether or not all 3 technologies could be put into one bullet, or if you can use the silent shape on a bullet... But I'm getting them in case it can work.

Just a heads up, bullets make little sound as they go through the air because they are allready aerodynamic, its the "pop" from the expanding gasses at the barrel that makes guns so loud.

And I am pretty sure that bullets get quite hot when they are expelled with flaming hot gasses! Don't you love jammed guns?

But still good concepts.

Any object that breaks the sound barrier will make a noise. In the case of a plane, it is a boom (aka Sonic Boom). In the case of a rifle, it a sharp crack. Did it break the Sound Barrier? It made a noise doing so.

This is why you cannot completely suppress a normal rifle. Most battle/hunting/assault rifles have rounds that travel in excess of the spped of sound. They will make a 'crack' regardless of how well you muffle the sound produced byt he expansion of gasses expelled by the actual firing of the weapon.

This is why most silenced weapons are built off pistol calibres, and fire bullets in heavier grain (weight). The heavier rounds under normal pressures will still have similar terminal effects, but will not have the sound barrier issue. Combine this with a suppressor to muffle the expelled gasses and some method of arresting or quieting the action, and you have a truly quiet weapon. Most suppressed rifles are not actually suppressed, but have devices mounted to modify the sound produced so that it is nt immediately discernible as a rifle report.

Bullet shape, in itself, has little to do with the noise made, no offense, and the gasses are only part of the equation.

(ooc: wow resurrected thread.........)

Roman Republic: If you buy the production rights, you can build the bullets in any caliber you need them.

New Empire: That alone will cost $190 million. Also, I'd like to point out that there is no loss of velocity because of the silent bullet technology, they work on a concept of a shape that causes the sonic boom to be more quiet. Also, there shouldn't be anything wrong with all 3 techs in one bullet, seeing as they affect different parts of it; the guidance system is inside, the shape is outside, the blended metal is the material.

The Blooded Lands, Bearhatistan: The bullet shape is based on recent studies by Nasa and the airforce that show it is possible to reduce the sound of sonic booms with a certain shape, since it effects the way the air flows over the object, etc. etc. look it up yourselves. Also, the bullets expanding from heat inside the barrel only improves performance by tightening the bullet's grip on the barrel, btw blended metal bullets irl don't have any problems with it.

We would like production rites. We will wire funds upon confirmation.

Saxanada: Confirmed, enjoy the technology.

I will buy the Production rights

I'm always interested in warring goods :D

Superbullet Technology
http://www.jojoxserie.net/pics/201201/bullet%20mista.jpg
Combining three new technologies, superbullets are revolutionary:
1) Guided ammunition is being developed for all sorts of applications, but it is too complex to use in small caliber weapons. By taking some of the technology and cutting out other parts of it, we are able to use a limited version of it. By removing the advanced course-changing abilities we cut out much of the complex circuitry and data exchange areas of the bullet, so we are left with a much simpler function: stability control. The bullet will fly straight and hit exactly where it was pointed.
2) Silent supersonic flight is being discussed very seriously for airplanes, so why not apply the same concepts to bullets? By redesigning the shape of the bullet, high speeds can still be kept, but the crack of a supersonic round is eliminated. Speed and damage remain the same, sound is reduced.
3) Blended metal surface. Blended metal is an alloy that expands at different temperatures, in this case flesh. Heat given off by the human body causes it to expand as it impacts, providing more stopping power.

Capabilities:
Sure-Hit(tm) Technology, bullet will attempt to hit exactly where it was pointed when it was fired, regardless of environment or gravity. A 20 year old AK-47 with a loose barrel can have the accuracy of an Olympic target rifle using these smart bullets.

Silent shape technology means bullets are substantially quieter, without losing any of the speed or hitting power of conventional rounds. With a standard supressor, they are quieter than subsonic rounds. Better still they can be fired from normal guns, so its possible to have silent machineguns...

Blended metal surface of the bullet expands during impact to dramatically improve stopping power.

For sale:

30 rounds of the caliber of your choice(please specify!): $45
Bulk orders(over 10,000 magazines) recieve 10% discount!

Production rights: $400 Million

Any Questions? Comments?
You realize the barrel is what would make the bullet be more accurate, not the gun powder. There is no way to make "smart" bellets unless you make them small flying missiles. Also you say the bullet "expands" when it hits a human, well gues what! It would expand and get stuck in the gun since the gun powder is right behind it pushing it out of the barrel! What you are trying to do her is impossible and since the sape of the bullet in your picture is Rl bullet made by Federal, it is not "silent" because it is the shape is a RL bullet. And most likely that bullet is used for a hand gun and it looks like the type of bullet used my grand father used once and that has to make the whole in the target wider.

You realize the barrel is what would make the bullet be more accurate, not the gun powder. There is no way to make "smart" bellets unless you make them small flying missiles. Also you say the bullet "expands" when it hits a human, well gues what! It would expand and get stuck in the gun since the gun powder is right behind it pushing it out of the barrel! What you are trying to do her is impossible and since the sape of the bullet in your picture is Rl bullet made by Federal, it is not "silent" because it is the shape is a RL bullet. And most likely that bullet is used for a hand gun and it looks like the type of bullet used my grand father used once and that has to make the whole in the target wider.

I with him

The blended metal part does exist, I've seen them used on TV, but i still have a lot of questions about it...

"You realize the barrel is what would make the bullet be more accurate, not the gun powder."
He isn't making any changes to propellant, they're more accurate because of the guided ammo tech.
"There is no way to make "smart" bellets unless you make them small flying missiles."
He kind of is. Again, read guided ammo section.
"Also you say the bullet "expands" when it hits a human, well gues what! It would expand and get stuck in the gun since the gun powder is right behind it pushing it out of the barrel!"
You claim to know a lot about bullets, but now I'm just going to scratch my head. First of all, all bullets expand when they hit humans. Some bullets, like hollow points, expand a huge amount. It's this magical thing called kinetic energy. See, the bullets don't expand in the barrel, they expand when they hit something. Let's go with a little lesson here.

Gun powder pushes the bullet out with expanding gasses. This gives the bullet forward momentum.

The bullet won't expand because there's nothing pushing on the other end. Just like if you throw a ball of clay at the wall, it doesn't flatten out and expand until it hits the wall.

The bullet expands (And its not just blended metal, it's also any kind of bullet. Even your grandpa's ones, when they hit something like a human, animal, wall, whatever. Not something like a paper target. This is because the bullet with a high forward velocity hits something solid, and that means two forces pushing on the bullet, expanding it. Now, Basically all bullets do this, hollowpoints and hydrashocks do it better. Blended metal does it, and then fragments, like a frag grenade going off in your chest. Without being too gruesome, from what people have linked on it here, the end result is meat salad.

Also, you can't say blended metal doesn't work, when there are actual companies making it and shooting it.

Actually, modern bullets do expand in the barrel. Not incredibly, but they do.

Right, but the heat expansion of the bullet won't cause it to jam as Nano describes.

It will expand, but it will not expand and 'pancake' or flatten as it will when it hits another object.

OOC: 1. I don't think the bullet is in the air long enough to guide it effectively.
2. The money is better spent training your troops to be sharp shooters.

Obviously he is making it up, why be a science nazi?? If you don't like the idea, leave the thread... if you like his role play, then join in.

Here are two ACCEPTABLE responses:

Delighted (The POSITIVE Response)

Sir, these bullets, they are the CAT'S MEOW! Rowr rowr, you KNOW I want production rights. Please send 10,000 in the .50 and .20 caliber designations so that we may test them live.

Suspicious (the NEGATIVE response)

Sir, this sounds like a bit of a sham to me! I'm going to have my guards arrest and shoot you if they see you in my nation again, in the next 2 seconds! Oh look, you are in my nation! Shoot him!


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EDIT:

Maybe I should do the explanation...

See, he is ROLEPLAYING. I want to ROLEPLAY so I reply with a ROLEPLAY.

If I want to prove I'm "Smart" I go berate my family or girlfriend because they can delicately tell me to shut up and stop trying to hot dog.

OOC: Most people try to correct scientific inaccuracies... Simply because most believe that NS is a place where there should be some realism, or because they have no idea what they're talking about.

Anyway, yeah, that's roleplay, but uh, don't think it's the kind of serious government response you'd RP at a tech thread... And likely, since it's a store, he probably doesn't care whether it's some roduptheass suit kind of reply or a more carefree emotional thing, as long as he get's cash.

That is my whole point.

You can all be "Science Nazis" and harass him and say the SAME STUPID STUFF and then argue that one of you is right and the other isn't.

Or you could acknowledge that this is a ROLE PLAY thread and go make YOUR VERY OWN STUPID SCIENCE THREAD somewhere else.

Yea, maybe, normally, people care about that stuff. He apparently doesn't. Why don't you go find people who do and talk to them, instead of thread crashing?

Roman Republic: Although you just conflicted your post asking for production rights by questioning the viability of the technology, I'll assume you still want it. If you do, technology sent, enjoy, if you don't, listen to my counterpoints and enjoy loosing out on a perfectly workable technology.

Nano soft: New Empire has corrected many of your misconceptions. There is such a thing as guided bullets in development, and they aren't tiny missiles, just bullets with articulation. I'd also like to point out that this uses a less advanced version that doesn't actively guide the bullet into turns and stuff, but rather a simple trajectory correction system that improves accuracy. What really ticks me off about your complaints however is your comment on the picture............If you knew anything about nationstates storefronts, you'd know that finding pictures is extremely difficult, finding good looking pictures is even harder, and finding accurate pictures is nearly impossible. I think saying something as asinine as that is just further proof that you have no viable arguements.

Japanese Antarctica: 1. It doesn't need much time to correct itself enough to be accurate.
2. I never said not to train soldiers, but I'm sure a sharpshooter could appreciate higher quality ammunition.

Sooty Babia: I do happen to care about the scientific accuracy of my products, so I do argue in their defense.

Ab-shalom and greetings;

Production rights desired.
400 million USD wired on confirmation

Vastiva: Confirmed, technology sent.

Heck yeah I want you bullets. But The other people make sense

Heck yeah I want you bullets. But The other people make sense

No, they don't. Just because a conflict exists does not mean it cannot be overcome. Sileetris is a scientific designer, and can overcome such problems.
That every problem might not be spelled out with a solution is immaterial.

Do get on with the play. If you like, great. If you don't, don't.

I want to have production rights for these bullets.
money will be wired upon confirmation.

OOC: Sileetris, did my latest TGs get through? Sorry to bug you about it, but lately the TG system seems a bit unreliable o.x

Axis Nova

Kyprion: Confirmed, technology sent.

Axis Nova: I'm working on them as we speak.........