NationStates Jolt Archive

Today the recent conflict in Dr. Twist has sparked a vicious debate in the Polituburo.
Slamming his fists in to the podium, Warhawk Party member Ted Slaonvy states with an upraised voice:
"We barely have one million troops. All the while the threat from nations like AMF and its allies continues to grow."

"Mr. Speaker," interjected Socialist Party member Jane Trigh, "The war in DR. Twist didn't last long as allied forces easily kicked the so called AMF menace out of DT with ease. We have the world's best armed forces and we did a pretty good job in Magdha of preventing Northwest Liang of taking over the nation."

Slaonvy: " Yes but the fact remains that we gained control over Magdha lands through bluffing. Do you realize what might happen if the Liangites figure out we were bluffing about having 20 million troops in India? Or when the AMF alliance finds out we were bluffing about having 120 million in Dr. Twist. It will be a disaster and our credibility will be lost. We must increase our troops numbers and our armaments now.
Our navy, once the pride of all Whittierites is ageing and become more defunct and broken down every day. Just the other day, I learned that the navigation system on the WAC Brezhnekov has not worked for the last 6 months. And that its maintanance was long over due. It is was foolishly dispatched to the war zones. This is a problem that is widespread through our fleet. We need new ships."

Greg Laur, Senior member of the Politburo stood up, I would like to know what the Ministry of Defense has to say about all this.

Defense Minister, Dave Yakinshi, stood up and began to answer:
"Comrade Yakinshi, the we do have the best abled fighters in the world.
We have the world's best air force pilots and the best sailors. The problem is that our equipment is becoming old and broken down.
We are need of ships and we have yet to finish replenishing our air force or our tanks divisions. At this point we have a standing army of 1 million.
Frankly, if we went to war against some of our nation's or our allies enemies, we would lose. And a lot Whittierites will have died in vain."

Laur: "So if we went to war against the Liangites, would we win or lose?"
Yakinshi: "Honestly, sir, I don't know. I believe they have been hyping their numbers as much as we have. But as we have no intel in either Bombay or NL, it would be a bad idea to underestimate them. In my experience, overestimation, was always the better decision."

Slaonvy interrupted: "See, proof we must build up our military and stike at our enemies before they get a chance to hit us...'
Laur: "That will be enough. We will have order in the chamber. If the Warhawk delegate can not maintain his composer I will have him removed from the chambers."

Laur:" That will be General. This meeting will break for lunch. Meeting will resume in 2 hours."

The ranking members of the Politburo filed out of the room to the lobby where the media waited.

This certainly hurts your credibility with Grenval, however, I like you politics so if you do decide to rebuild your military, which I highly suggest, Grenval will donote 10 billion guynms to the project. Grenval does recommend that you return Magdha to its rightful owner during this rebuilding stage.

OOC=Magdha has not been around lately as he is out of the country in the real world.

National Defense should be every nations top priority to a point.

The meeting reconvenes.

Laur:"This meeting will come to order on that matter of this years national defense spending bill. We have 5 trillion in US dollars at stake. Members will keep to the subject hand."

Minister of Foreign Affairs, Rion Hleia, spoke:
"Members of the Politburo, according to this years budget we have 5,155,957,806,000 US dollars to spend on upgrading our armed forces.
Now we can pretend we don't need to. We can pretend that one million is enough, but if the time comes and we can't deliver, we will become the laughing stock of the international community. Now Brezhnekov adminstration has already taken action. For example we are studying whether we can recruit another 4 million troops. This is in addition to the 1 million we have already. We are also studying the needs of the navy and will adopt an appropriate policy when the time comes."

Slaonvy, "I have just heard that one of our distinguished allies has decried the lack of a strong Whittier military. We cannot stop at 4 million. We must raise our troop levels to the necessary 120 million. We have a big population and the man power to maintain such levels. And I was wondering why Brezhnekov cabinet is not recruiting 120 million people?"

Foreign Minister "Perhaps the Minister of Defense would like to answer that one."
Defense Minister: " The most that any nation has ever had, even in wartime is about 5 million. Those who say they have more than 5 million are lying. No nation could afford that. Not even those with frightening economies. The number of people in your standing army is dependent on your economy and your tax rate. Even though we have enough people to field a 120 million man standing army, we don't have the finances to support it. But in theory, if we did raise our forces to the 5million max, we could easily engage in 5 different major wars in different parts of the world at the same time. But to do so we would have to call up the reserves and national guard which contain at least 20 million personnel according to last estimates. "

Jane Trigh:"My question for the Defense Minister is whether those reserves and national guard are deployed in DT or Magdha?"

Defense Minister: "That's a negative. Every one serving in Magdha belongs to the standing army."

Trigh: " Why are there no reservists or NG in Magdha?"

Defense Minister:"They weren't needed and we could not afford to use them. They were'nt budgeted for during the last deployment."

Trigh: "If they weren't budgeted for, then who funds them?"

Defense Minister: "The reserves and the National Guard are funded by the individual home states."

Slaonvy "Would the Defense Minister please clarify whether these reservists and guards are, in his opinion, ready for combat duty against a major power?"

Defense Minister: "The last time we called up the reserves and guard was during the war to liberate Saudi arabia and Kuwait. They performed excellently at the time. But since then we haven't been using them."

Laur: "Does the Foreign Minister have anything to say?"
Forieng Minister: "I concur with my colleague on the matter."

This certainly hurts your credibility with Grenval, however, I like you politics so if you do decide to rebuild your military, which I highly suggest, Grenval will donote 10 billion guynms to the project. Grenval does recommend that you return Magdha to its rightful owner during this rebuilding stage.

OOC=Magdha has not been around lately as he is out of the country in the real world.
OOC: He told me he would be gone for ten days, and has asked that nothing be done with Magdha, until he returns.

This certainly hurts your credibility with Grenval, however, I like you politics so if you do decide to rebuild your military, which I highly suggest, Grenval will donote 10 billion guynms to the project. Grenval does recommend that you return Magdha to its rightful owner during this rebuilding stage.

OOC=Magdha has not been around lately as he is out of the country in the real world.
OOC: He told me he would be gone for ten days, and has asked that nothing be done with Magdha, until he returns.

Well then by all means do as he wishes. Just don't forget, Magdha has powerful allies who are willing to fight against your weakened army to free him. Grenval will probably remain neutral in such an event unless either side has sufficient evidence of wrongful actions. This is not a threat from Maghda, so do not take it as one. It is advice from Grenval.

This certainly hurts your credibility with Grenval, however, I like you politics so if you do decide to rebuild your military, which I highly suggest, Grenval will donote 10 billion guynms to the project. Grenval does recommend that you return Magdha to its rightful owner during this rebuilding stage.

OOC=Magdha has not been around lately as he is out of the country in the real world.
OOC: He told me he would be gone for ten days, and has asked that nothing be done with Magdha, until he returns.

Well then by all means do as he wishes. Just don't forget, Magdha has powerful allies who are willing to fight against your weakened army to free him. Grenval will probably remain neutral in such an event unless either side has sufficient evidence of wrongful actions. This is not a threat from Maghda, so do not take it as one. It is advice from Grenval.
I have been working with him on the matter. And Magdha has been very helpful.

Secretary of the Army "Actually, if the Minister of Defense doesn't mind, I would like to state that at the pay rate of $6536 per man, we could recruit and train 4 million new troops for a little over 26 billion dollars. If we had another 75 billion to play with we could recruit a much bigger standing army and still have enough for more ships, planes and tanks."

Laur, turning to the finance minister, "Is this true?"

Finance Minister: "Yes, but if we reduce military pay to 6536. The amount we pay our troops is way to excessive and way more than other nations pay their own troops. With the additional 75 billion we could easily recruit, train, and field a little over 11 million troops. If we spent 200-300 billion, we would be able to field over 20 million troops which is likely the most we will need. And with a defense budget of 5 trillion we could easily do this."

You shouldn't need as many troops though. why not use robots? Or does that count for space people? I have had robots for a long time, so you should too(i'm older than you)

Defense Minister: "If the Politburo is willing to do so, with 300 billion we could field an additional 45million troops. But we must remember that we have to arm them to. But this shouldn't cost too much."


Laur: "We will go ahead and put this particular matter to a vote. Every one favor of spending 300 billion dollars to increase troop levels vote yeah, those against vote ney."

The members of the Politburo push designated buttons on their desks.
A computer automatically counts the votes.

15 minutes later:

Laur: "The Speaker will now tally the votes. 785 yeah, 132 nay. The yeahs have it and 300 billion dollars will be used to recruit 45 million new standing army soldiers. "

We now turn to the matter of giving these new troops good equipment to work with. What type of assault weapons will the Defense Ministry be equipping these soldiers with?"

Defense Minister: "Well, we stopped using the M16 a long time ago cause it always jammed during combat operations and just wasn't reliable. We've been mostly using the AK 47 since then but we are looking for new a rifle."

Defense Minister: "If the Politburo is willing to do so, with 300 billion we could field an additional 45million troops. But we must remember that we have to arm them to. But this shouldn't cost too much."


Laur: "We will go ahead and put this particular matter to a vote. Every one favor of spending 300 billion dollars to increase troop levels vote yeah, those against vote ney."

The members of the Politburo push designated buttons on their desks.
A computer automatically counts the votes.

15 minutes later:

Laur: "The Speaker will now tally the votes. 785 yeah, 132 nay. The yeahs have it and 300 billion dollars will be used to recruit 45 million new standing army soldiers. "

We now turn to the matter of giving these new troops good equipment to work with. What type of assault weapons will the Defense Ministry be equipping these soldiers with?"

Defense Minister: "Well, we stopped using the M16 a long time ago cause it always jammed during combat operations and just wasn't reliable. We've been mostly using the AK 47 since then but we are looking for new a rifle."

You shouldn't need as many troops though. why not use robots? Or does that count for space people? I have had robots for a long time, so you should too(i'm older than you)

[edit]:whoops, thought that said december 2003

You shouldn't need as many troops though. why not use robots? Or does that count for space people? I have had robots for a long time, so you should too(i'm older than you)

[edit]:whoops, thought that said december 2003

OOC: Ah, what day? And you must be a ressurectee.
I use only modern day technology. Plus having 45 million new soldiers provides 45 million people in my nation with jobs.

You shouldn't need as many troops though. why not use robots? Or does that count for space people? I have had robots for a long time, so you should too(i'm older than you)

[edit]:whoops, thought that said december 2003
december 2003? Not December 2002? I'm a 2002 nation myself.

OOC: I post that I am going to buy new weapons and stuff and for some reason, all these weapons store fronts pop up. Odd coincidence.

on the reference of a nation only being able too suport only 5 million men... the US during WW2 fielded 6 million men. The germans were able too do that too(At least in 1941-1942) Although they did raise it too 12 million by early 1945, of course their imploded economy couldnt have supported that for very long.

[quote="Red Tide2"]on the reference of a nation only being able too suport only 5 million men... the US during WW2 fielded 6 million men. The germans were able too do that too(At least in 1941-1942) Although they did raise it too 12 million by early 1945, of course their imploded economy couldnt have supported that for very long.[/quote'

You have to remember that 6 million figure was during a war that had the potential for calamity. During peacetime, there's no way that the U.S. would field a 6 million man army. In wartime, different story.

[quote=Red Tide2]on the reference of a nation only being able too suport only 5 million men... the US during WW2 fielded 6 million men. The germans were able too do that too(At least in 1941-1942) Although they did raise it too 12 million by early 1945, of course their imploded economy couldnt have supported that for very long.[/quote'

You have to remember that 6 million figure was during a war that had the potential for calamity. During peacetime, there's no way that the U.S. would field a 6 million man army. In wartime, different story.

True.

Defense Budget: 5,155,957,806,000

45,899,632 standing troops@$6,536 each=300,000,000,000

Subbalance: 4,855,957,806,000

$45,899,632 IMI Tavor TAR-21 Assault Rifles
" " Bullet proof vests
both above combined: 30 billion

subbalance: 4,825,957,806,000

50 Yorktown Class aircraft carriers (holds 95 planes)@4.5billion each = $225 billion

50 Arizona Class Batteships @ 3.5 billion each = 175 billion

400 Kirov class nuclear powered cruisers @ 1.2 billion = 480 billion

200 Ticonderoga II class Aegis cruisers @ 900 million = 180 billion

500 Arliegh Burke Aegis guided missile destroyers @ 800 million = 400 billion

100 Farragut Class Aegis Stealth Destroyers @ 1 billion = 100 billion

300 Galaxy class nuclear stealth subs @ 1.2 billion = 360 billion

300 Seawolf class attack subs @ 1 billion = 300 billion

subbalance=2,015,957,806,000

7,000 AV-8B Harrier bombers @ 10 million = 70 billion

20,000 F-111 Multipurpose tactical fighter bombers @ 21 million = 420 billion

subbalance= $1,525,957,806,000

500 F117 Knighthawks @ 45 million = 22.5 billion

500 B-2 multirole fighterbombers @ 600 million = 300 billion

1,000 B52 Stratofortresses @ 6 million = 6 billion

2,000 F35 Joint Strike Fighters @ 35 million = 70 billion

subbalance = 1,127,457,806,000

OOC: More to come.

The Politburo announces it will be bugdeting a little over 2.6 trillion dollars to upgrade the Whittier navy.

bump for updated military purchases.