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Comminque from LasProd:

Seeking to further cement its position as the leading supplier of low-cost air defence solutions, Lasatanian Aircraft Industries has annonced the launch of the LAS-F100 Fistfight interceptor. Based on the Sukhoi Su-9, the Fistfight. With a price of $250,000 aan aircraft, the Fistfight offers a low cost air defence to nations facing severe financial constraints or developing their air defence systems for the first time. The aircraft can also be used in a training role, whether it be for combat or flight training.

Specifications of the fighter are detailed below and countries wishing to purchase aircraft or obtain further information should contact LasProd in the first instance.

LAS-F100 'Fistfight'

http://www.military.cz/russia/air/suchoj/Su_9/big/T-43_1.jpg

Specifications

Crew one

Role interceptor
air superiority

Armament: missiles
gunpack

Engines 1 * 9060kg Lyulka Al-7F
Wing Span 8.43m
Length 16.70m
Height
Empty Weight 8750kg
Max.Weight
Speed 1915km/h
Ceiling 16800m
Range


Note: armament will be adjusted to buyer's specifications.

http://www.airforce.ru/photogallery/tsvetkov/su-9/ts-9.jpg

.... :shock:

The Dictatorship of The Great Sixth Reich would like to place an order for 16 of these aircraft. That comes to a total of $4M.

Telefax from LasProd:

Production of your aircraft is currently under way. Current stock levels suggest that time taken for your complete order to be dispatched will be approximately four weeks.

Thank you for your custom.

When the house of Lords was asked about purchasing these aircraft, the house burst into laughter. Sorry, but no.

We are quite happy with our F/A-18 Hornet's that we produce locally.
http://www.globalaircraft.org/photos/planephotos/f-18-1.jpg
F/A-18 Hornet Specifications
Primary Function: Multi-role attack and fighter aircraft
Contractor: Francereich AeroCorp
Crew: A,C and E models: One
B,D and F models: Two
Unit Cost: $29 million
Powerplant
Two F404-GE-402 enhanced performance turbofan engines (17,700 pounds (8,027 kg) static thrust each)
Dimensions
Length: 56 feet (16.8 meters)
Wingspan: 40 feet 5 inches (13.5 meters)
Height: 15 feet 4 inches (4.6 meters)
Weights
Empty: 23,050 lb (10455 kg) -- F/A-18C
Maximum Takeoff: 51,900 pounds (23,537 kg)
Performance
Speed: Mach 1.7+
Ceiling: 50,000+ feet
Range: Combat: 1.089 nautical miles (1252.4 miles/2003 km), clean plus two AIM-9s
Ferry: 1,546 nautical miles (1,777.9 miles/2844 km), two AIM-9s plus three 330 gallon tanks retained
Armament
One M61A1/A2 Vulcan 20mm cannon; AIM 9 Sidewinder, AIM 7 Sparrow, AIM-120 AMRAAM, Harpoon, Harm, SLAM, SLAM-ER, Maverick missiles; Joint Stand-Off Weapon (JSOW); Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM); various general purpose bombs, mines and rockets.

If anyway is interesting, feel free to contact the Commonwealth of Francereich.

OOC:

It would seem you take this product out of context. It is marketed as and very much designed for low-level air defence. It is not a cutting edge fighter, not by any means. It is simply better than having nothing, plus with avionics upgrades and better AAMs, you can still shoot down an F18 with one of these if you really tried.

IC:

Reading the message, Air Marshal Vrezhnov laughed to himself... my, these fools, if only they knew what WE were using for air defence...

OOC:Plus, if you want to know what your up against look here:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=155549

ooc: Quite. There's no point showing off with an F/A-18, which is no match for the absolute best. Still, I caution against getting carried away with the capabilities of the Su-9alike. To make it effective in modern air to air combat one would have to fit it with beyond visual range air to air missiles. This would mean a complete overhaul- the whole nose, the air intake, and all that, would have to be utterly redesigned to house a radar worth having, or radar-guided AAMs would remain a no no. There's some good IR-guided AAMs such as Russian R-73/AA-11, but they can only acquire targets to a certain range far short of good radar-guided weapons, and to get the best IR-guided AAMs like that would cost significantly more than the aircraft you're selling, anyway. Basically, I wouldn't give this aircraft a chance in hell of doing even slightly significant damage to an enemy in the air defence role. There are exceptions, of course- a 3rd world nation surrounded by other 3rd world nations might find it more than capable against enemy MiG-15s or Sabres and suchlike, or against early jet bombers.

However, it does have a potential value, though I believe there are better and even more cost effective air frames for this role. As in the Choson People's Republic of Dra-pol, obsolete aircraft such as this could be used as dispensable first strike ground attack aircraft- we are currently producing thousands of S-5 "Ultra Shinden" which is a sub-sonic jet aircraft based originally on the airframe of a Japanese experimental canard piston-engine aircraft from the Second World War. These would swamp enemy air defences and disrupt airfields with cannons, unguided rockets, and free-fall bombs before more effective aircraft with laser, IR, and radar guided weapons come in to take advantage of the chaos.

But, anyway, good luck selling these- I would like to see more people playing struggling 3rd world nations. Precious few are brave enough. Oh! You know, I may have a customer in mind for you. I'll get my hassling-stick.

OOC: I agree with what your saying, this aircraft really is our bottom end product as such, there is a MiG-21 BiS variant also produced, which in my opinion is the bare minimum required for a defensive fighter. However the Su-9, as you rightly say, can be used against bombers. Which, given the prediliction among some people in here to say, 'I'm going to bomb you with 100 B52s', does give smaller, less developed nations the chance to say, 'well, I've got 50 Su-9s - so come ahead!'

The figures for the Lasatanian air force (detailed below) give an inidication of the air defence strategy I'm trying to base it on, i.e very much a soviet model with seperate air arms.
The PVO may be bang up to date but the rest of its rather aging in bits, a bit like the Russian air force I suppose!


Review of Lastanian Air Force

Commander - Air Marshal Vrezhnov

Second in Command - Vice-Air Marshal Herstenn


Formation of air force - 6 Air arms plus Air Guard


Air Arms:

1)PVO - Regional Air Defence regiments

2)Frontal Aviation - Providing counter air and ground support to army

3)Long Range Aviation - Strategic bombing/reconnaisance + Long Range fighters

4)Naval Air Wing - Land based and carrier based units

5)Air Transport Corps - also contains civilian national airline, LasAir

6)Support Wing - AWACs, refuelling, training etc


Make-up of Air Arms:


1)PVO:

25 squadrons (12 planes per squadron)

3 x LAS-FX2 Foiler (Sukhoi S37 prototype)
2 x LAS-FX3 Firestorm (MiG 35)
7 x LAS-F7 Flashback (Su-15)
5 x MiG-29 Fulcrum
5 x Su-35 Super Flanker
3 x MiG-31 Foxhound


2) Frontal Aviation:

32 squadrons

10 x Su-22 Fitter
10 x MiG-23 Flogger
5 x Su-24 Fencer
5 x Su-25 Frogfoot
2 x Mig 25 Foxbat D (Recon)


3) Long Range Aviation:

33 squadrons

Bombers:

10 x FAS-B1 Bloodstain (Tu22M Backfire copy)
5 x Tu-160 Blackjack
5 x Tu-142 Bear H (ALCM platform)
3 x Tu-22 Blinder
3 x Tu-16 Badger
3 x Mya-4 Bison
1 x Il-28 Beagle

Reconaissance:

3 x Tu95 Bear E (Recon)


Fighters:

5 x Tu-128 Fiddler (Long range patrol fighters)


4)Naval Air Wing

22 Squadrons


6 x Su-27 Flanker (Carrier-based)
5 x Tu-142 Bear F (Anti-sub)
1 x Tu-142 Bear J (Submarine comms)
2 x BE-42 Mermaid (coastal patrol)
5 x LAS-B1 Bloodstain
1 x Tu95 Bear E (Naval recon)
2 x Il-38 May (Anti-sub)

5) Air Transport Corps

35 Squadrons

Military

10 x IL-76 Candid
5 x An-74 Coaler
5 x An-26 Clank
5 x An-12 Cub
2 x An-22 Cock
2 x An-70
1 x An-124 Condor


LasAir Craft

2 x Tu-154
2 x Tu-204
1 x Tu-114


6) Support wing

10 squadrons

3 x Il-78 Midas (Refuelling)
1 x An-50 Mainstay (AWACS)
2 x Tu-126 Moss (AWACS)
1 x L-39 (Trainer)
1 x MiG-19 (Trainer)
1 x Su-29 (Trainer)
1 x Tu-16 (Trainer)


National Air Guard

10 Squadrons

2 x LAS-XF2 Foiler
1 x LAS-XF3 Firestorm
5 x LAS-F1 Freefall (MiG-21 Bis Copy)
2 x Su-22 Fitter

ooc: I agree with Dra-Pol. It doesn't have much use as a fighter, except for target practice for the other side. However, a large number of these aircraft used in a strike role with an updated bombsight would be more than worth the cost of the equipment. (That is, if you arent concerned about casualties :))

OOC: Looks good for trainer and COIN (counter insurgency) operations.

(Secret IC)
The militia group People's First Army has placed an order for three LAS-F100s. (OOC: Feel free to decline this)

Telefax from LasProd to People's First Army:

Thank you for your order. Given current inventory levels, we forsee shipment of your order taking place within three weeks. Thank you again for you custom.


Deparment of Exports. LasProd.