NationStates Jolt Archive

Exactly two decades ago, today, Dr. Schuelke had finalized the science that would make Liang one of the world's foremost military powers. Today, it came to fruition.
Marching in long, serpent-like lines down the streets of Sauranero, Liang's capital, the Dracospawn, clad in the ever-present black and red, this time in uniform, moved unceasingly towards their destination.
All of them were as muscular as any bodybuilder, and plenty of times more lethal than the regular soldier, thanks to Schuelke's timely discovery.
For some time before Schuelke's discovery, Liang had been looking for a super-soldier formula, which the Elders had dismissed as science fiction. The Demon, however, had been far more interested, and gave funding to it.
Then, as if by providence, Schuelke had found out about a young child with an interesting mutation: he was born with muscles that looked as though they were from an experienced bodybuilder. Immediately the child was brought into captivity, tested, experimented, until Schuelke found what caused the disorder.
He had found his super-soldier formula. Using Dao Yorinaga, the smart, already-muscular, cruel and emotionless Demon, as the prototype, Dr. Schuelke made the appropriate modifications to the first embryo's DNA, and then began mass cloning them. In a location several miles out from Sauranero, the first batch of two hundred thousand Dracospawn were trained in the Arts of War from age 12. With no need to work on their physique, weapons training and elite, perfect markmanship were all facets of the program, as were training a specific % in specialist roles. The Dracospawn were the perfect soldier, able to take more hits, endure more hardships, and come out stronger than any soldier, their inherent perfect physical condition along with the intelligence and cleverness (as well as the cruelness) of the Demon Messenger.
Now, two decades later, the first round of Dracospawn marched off to garrison duty, purportedly in Bombay. A few months later the next batch would come until all infantry roles manned by Disciples were replaced with spawn.
Yorinaga, looking out from a balcony, smiled as he saw himself, perfected, move out from the streets. The Dracospawn were more than the perfect soldier: they were what the Nazis had been looking for: the Ultimate Human.

OOC: This is an actual genetic property that I dont want to give away fully for copyright of the idea reasons, but if anyone doubts its RL existance TG me for the proof.

Rolling so smooth like the butter on the bumpin'.
Comments, suggestions, and vicious flames welcome.

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please..comment?

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The Messenger spoke to the dark doors in the ancient tongue, and it opened to the lightless area. Yorinaga's pupils widened, but they couldn't make out the massive form that lurked inside the monstrous chamber. Even for the Demon, the One inside was an object of fear, though Lord Dao had denied and lied to himself about it.
Inside the chamber, the Ruler was sleeping, thinking to himself of the glorious feasts he had had in past years and of how they were over. The numerous failed experiments of Schuelke's Dracospawn, or the few pieces of bone that was left of them, lay around the great, winding mass of the dark wyrm. He spit out the last bone of an unskilled murderer. He had been fairly intellectual and he had enjoyed a good bout of conversation with him before devouring him in the entirety. He was lazily drifting off to sleep when the Demon disturbed him with questions of where to direct the Dracospawn. He explained somewhat monotonously about their destination and eagerly waved him off, hoping to get some well-earned rest.

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one last time

I like the way you have your nation set up so i was wondering if you would allie with me or sell me somthing or even just be neighbors

Yorinaga sat in shock as he received news of the newest upgrade to AMF Sentinels, and their publishing of myostatin and its effects, a carefully guarded secret up until the announcement.

His head raced...all the work to produce a soldier superior to everyone's, decades of research, failed experiments, re-dos, wiped out in a single press conference by AMF. Liang was new at this, Sentinels were likely to be superior to Dracospawn simply because of AMF experience with such things. He stood for a long time, pounding the ground in frustration. Dracospawn....the idea had been so good, now they were just second-best to the newest Sentinel upgrade. A worthy effort by a smaller nation that just didn't measure up.

OOC: So sorry, I've been working on this since I got off work today. I didn't see your post.

OOC: Lol, its fine. I saw the news report and immediately thought of its soldier-making potential. Go ahead and use it I would hate for the effort to be wasted.

They did find a kid in germany, under 5 yr old, with bulky muscles.
He can hold 7 pound waits arms fully stretched out for more than 5 minutes. THis is something most adults couldn't do.
They found he had a genetic mutation that blocks the factor that limits muscle growth. They envision using the new gene to create synthetic versions. And as replacement for steroids.
But since you are talking future tech, this will be ignored in the Magdha rp as that rp is for modern tech only. No offense.

They did find a kid in germany, under 5 yr old, with bulky muscles.
He can hold 7 pound waits arms fully stretched out for more than 5 minutes. THis is something most adults couldn't do.
They found he had a genetic mutation that blocks the factor that limits muscle growth. They envision using the new gene to create synthetic versions. And as replacement for steroids.
But since you are talking future tech, this will be ignored in the Magdha rp as that rp is for modern tech only. No offense.

OOC: Dude, this stuff is modern tech. It's a reality. But I fear everybody and their 3 brothers will be doing it.....

OOC: That's exactly what I'm talking about, Whittier. This isn't future-tech, would you ignore AMF when he warred on you in Dr. Twist? I think you just want a way out of fighting me.

They did find a kid in germany, under 5 yr old, with bulky muscles.
He can hold 7 pound waits arms fully stretched out for more than 5 minutes. THis is something most adults couldn't do.
They found he had a genetic mutation that blocks the factor that limits muscle growth. They envision using the new gene to create synthetic versions. And as replacement for steroids.
But since you are talking future tech, this will be ignored in the Magdha rp as that rp is for modern tech only. No offense.

OOC: Dude, this stuff is modern tech. It's a reality. But I fear everybody and their 3 brothers will be doing it.....
OOC: I politely disagree. We are no where near capable of cloning human beings. Organs yes, whole humans? No.

OOC: I politely disagree. We are no where near capable of cloning human beings. Organs yes, whole humans? No.

OOC: A cell's a cell. If they can clone sheep, why not humans? All you do is copy the cell, fertilize it, and watch it grow. Where's the problem?

OOC: That's because of ethical concerns, Whittier. We can clone animals and the like. The only thing stopping us from cloning humans is ethical concerns. With those removed its a reality. I'm just going to maintain my proud title of the first one to utilize myostatin in NS :P if everyone and their grandma start doing it. One of the things I value is originality.

OOC: Meh, my thread came 2 hours after yours, and it took me about that long to research and type it. :wink:

OOC: Yeah yeah. 2 hours, 2 years, same thing. :lol: I'll just have to think up some new way to make them better besides disabling myostatin and other standard genetic enhancements.

OOC: I politely disagree. We are no where near capable of cloning human beings. Organs yes, whole humans? No.

OOC: A cell's a cell. If they can clone sheep, why not humans? All you do is copy the cell, fertilize it, and watch it grow. Where's the problem?

OOC: That's why we haven't been able to clone humans.
Humans aren't like all the other animals. The reason is the human egg.
Human females create the most inefficient (can't think of a better word) eggs in nature. This is why women have miscarriages. It also explains why some women cannot get pregnant no matter how many times they get banged, and it explains birth defects. This is because the structure of most human eggs is messed up if you will. Injecting genes into an egg or sperm into an egg does not guarantee that you will get a clone or a fertilized egg. In the eggs gelatounous part there are mazes that have to be navigated in order for sperm mitochondria to get the eggs mitochondria so they can combine and create a human cell. Most sperm can't navigate these mazes. And when you inject DNA directly into the cell you cause a lot of damage to the egg and this results in children with deformities.
There are no women with perfect eggs. And without good eggs, you cannot get clones.
You need an egg to get a clone. That is how they got dolly.
You can find this info in either the May issue of Discover.
I'll check the site and see if I can get you link. But this is why it is impossible to get human clones.

OOC: That's because of ethical concerns, Whittier. We can clone animals and the like. The only thing stopping us from cloning humans is ethical concerns. With those removed its a reality. I'm just going to maintain my proud title of the first one to utilize myostatin in NS :P if everyone and their grandma start doing it. One of the things I value is originality.
No. The ethical concerns are only temporary. The main impediment is the human egg.

Damn, they don't have the whole article available for free.
But here's the link to the first two paragraphs which don't give the main points.
http://www.discover.com/issues/may-04/cover/?page=2

OOC: But this is why it is impossible to get human clones.

OOC: Don't say that, nothing is impossible.

OOC: Somethings are.

OOC: I could scan the pages and post them but that would be copyright infringement.
So much for that idea.
It's a really good article if you get a chance to read it.

OOC: Somethings are.

OOC: They thought going to Mars was impossible, but guess what? They will be sending people there.

Cloning humans is not impossible, there will be a cloned human someday, wether we know about it or not.

OOC: here's the report I talked about in my initial post. Most interesting.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5278028/

OOC: Somethings are.

OOC: They thought going to Mars was impossible, but guess what? They will be sending people there.

Cloning humans is not impossible, there will be a cloned human someday, wether we know about it or not.

OOC: Well, I will give you that the Koreans got as far as blastocysts. But even those were admitted to have some defects.
Did you know it takes approximately 3 days for sperm to actually fertilize an egg and create a human lifeform?
That means the morning after pill is not an abortion pill cause you need to have a human life in order for it to be abortion.

OOC: I just reread that article.
NL isn't your project based on myostatin making people stronger?

OOC: I saw the article... Unless you also modified other areas, your supersoldiers wouldn't last long. You'd need increase blood circulation, a more accomodating skeleton to prevent stress fractures, etc.

OOC: They already have a fully grown woman who had partially been myostatin blocked (naturally). She was a first class athlete.
The child is now 4 years old, and in completely stable condition.
I'll dig up the article in a sec so you can see it.
Exonerate, thats not true. Fully blocked mice and cattle have already been seen, and they simply had immense strength.

Besides, as AMF and Melkor have said, this is NS, it doesnt have to be entirely realistic. I have a demon and a dragon as leaders of my nation, is that in RL? Nope.

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040624-113403-4269r.htm

OOC: They have already done a test version of "super-soldier", it's in the article. They're called mighty mice. Just add in cloning technology and there you go.

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OOC: They have already done a test version of "super-soldier", it's in the article. They're called mighty mice. Just add in cloning technology and there you go.
It's a long way from being able to do this mice and then being able to do it in humans.

OOC: Which is why they already have a fully grown women and several men who are extremely strong with their myostatin half-way neutralized?

http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040624-113403-4269r.htm

OOC: That's basically the same story I linked to earlier.

OOC: Which is why they already have a fully grown women and several men who are extremely strong with their myostatin half-way neutralized?
OOC: Ok, now you are going to have provide a link to prove this.

Check your own source. The boy's parent and relatives all have their myostatin halfway neutralized, are fully grown, and are in excellent muscular shape.

Hi i started to read some of the things that you had put down and what you were saying made alot of sense to me and i would like to become an aliance with you do you accept?

Ermm. No.

OOC: If I figured out early on that your nation was ruled by a demon dragon, I wouldn't have stepped into the Magdha rp since I don't usually do sci fi rps.
On your Dracospawn, since we don't know how strong the new treatment based on the new discovery could make people, I will give you a little lee way as long as you don't make them out to be supermen capable beating a speeding supersonic aircraft or capable of lifting the weight of an entire planet or something like that. (Extreme example cause I am very sleepy posting this.)
On the emotionless part though, I have to part with you. Cause if they are human, even if they are clones, cutting out emotion would not only be difficult but cause severe harm to them.
Same issue of Discover as the human egg article, states that scientists now Know the human brain to be seperated into two primary spheres, the cognitive and the emotional. And that when the emotional is cut off, the individual suffers a form of brain damage in which his mental capabilities suffer greatly. We talking about people suffering mental breakdowns for which their is no cure unless you are distant future tech.
It causes a breakdown in ability to discern right and wrong and explains phenomenon like Columbine, pedophilia, homosexuality, rape.
Because your dracospawn are, if I read your thread right, really humans, it would be doubtful they would be killing other humans and not feeling any thing about it without some of their mental capacity suffering as a result.
So I am going to ignore the "nonemotional" part if you don't mind. And assume the rest started returning fire in the heat of the moment cause of the blood rush and instinct for self preservation and all.

IC:
Brezhnekov's General in Command of the India theater, General Corpinski, a man with a cooler head, orders a cease fire.
Thinking to himself how unfortunate it is that the the NL government mistreats its Dracospawns so much that the only thing they're allowed to do is walk around with weapons all day shooting at walls.
Rather, the Liangite's treatment of the Dracospawn was tantamount to violations of their human rights.

OOC: Well, my personal opinion about such technology is pretty simple. I personally have technologies in my nation which may, or may not be modern technology; personally I feel my nation is post modern tech, but I don’t let that limit me.

In this case it’s pretty simple, do you think that these “Dracospawn” are so out of touch with reality that you are unprepared to RP with this nation out of fear that they would ruin or RP? Personally I prefer to work around such advancements in an RP, if you have to conflict such a nation its pretty good sense to work some things out with them prior to starting anything so that you can work out what effects their technology has…

For example I feel that Automagfreak is post-modern technology, something which is in our reach but not quite yet possible because of the amount of effort required… this wouldn’t stop me because as a rule I would prefer to work it out with him how his soldiers are different and what effects they have, but the game effect would be limited in the interest of RP depending on the situation at hand. If neither side can work it out then they shouldn’t be RPing with one another because what’s the point? We RP to make a good story, not to beat other nations, that’s our IC goal.

Concessions should be worked out if agreements can’t be made… personally I know my military isn’t incredibly powerful when compared to AMF, but it’s sufficient to assure my nation is safe from most threats, I would make a point of my soldiers finding the Sentinels tough, but ultimately in a invasion scenario the shear odds against the Sentinels (assuming they are on the attack against my home nation), genetically modified or not, will win out…

The fact the nation is run by a dragon (now I’m not talking about AMF) isn’t too important, it’s not going to attack your armies because of danger to itself and because it’s too arrogant to do such. A character like that is mere background, reserved for character RP’s and special occasions…

If you don’t like playing again unconventional nations, don’t RP with them, but don’t expect them to change either, it’s nice to have something new and this is Freeform RP, anything can and will happen. That’s my two pence.

OOC: I think Iuthia said it best. These things are just for RP purposes and its not like they will be swooping down on your nation.

Furthermore, they are not completely emotionless. The person they are cloned after is a cruel, vicious, yet intelligent man. Would they not be the same?

OOC: I think Iuthia said it best. These things are just for RP purposes and its not like they will be swooping down on your nation.

Furthermore, they are not completely emotionless. The person they are cloned after is a cruel, vicious, yet intelligent man. Would they not be the same?
OOC: But how can they not feel anything except hate. Surely they have to feel some other emotions too.

OOC: I think Iuthia said it best. These things are just for RP purposes and its not like they will be swooping down on your nation.

Furthermore, they are not completely emotionless. The person they are cloned after is a cruel, vicious, yet intelligent man. Would they not be the same?
OOC: But how can they not feel anything except hate. Surely they have to feel some other emotions too.

OOC: Yes, of course they can feel other emotions.

OOC: Whittier, back off. It's his nation and his RP, let him do what he pleases.

OOC: Yes, of course they can feel other emotions.
OOC: Well, do they ever express these emotions?

OOC: Whittier, back off. It's his nation and his RP, let him do what he pleases.
OOC: All I'm doing is asking questions.

Just because the man was cruel, and filled with hate, it does not necessarily mean that a clone would be the same. It would most likely come from it experiences and what the clone is confronted with.

Just because the man was cruel, and filled with hate, it does not necessarily mean that a clone would be the same. It would most likely come from it experiences and what the clone is confronted with.
OOC: That's what my point was going to be. But I was trying to determine what he was basing his rp off of.
Though I agree fully that clones would have their souls and their personalities that would defer from that of their originals. To make them like the original in personality, you would have to mess with their heads and that would cause brain damage.
So I am trying to figure out how he can do what he said without damaging their brains.

OOCL

:sigh:

Most of human behavior is learned, and we learn from our environment. If our parents are snotty bitches and that's all we are around when we are little, we are very likely to be snotty bitches ourselves. If our parents beat us when we are kids, we are more liable to beat our own kids (yes Whittier, studies have proven this, you can't contest it).

If every clone is in the exact same cold militaristic environment, they can be molded any way you please.

OOCL

:sigh:

Most of human behavior is learned, and we learn from our environment. If our parents are snotty bitches and that's all we are around when we are little, we are very likely to be snotty bitches ourselves. If our parents beat us when we are kids, we are more liable to beat our own kids (yes Whittier, studies have proven this, you can't contest it).

If every clone is in the exact same cold militaristic environment, they can be molded any way you please.

OOC: But in the process you destroy their ability to determine right and wrong cause you pretty much destroy the network to the emotional part of the brain. Studies have proven this also.
And note, as you said, being around parents and other people that are like that increases our chances of being that way. But it does not determine that we will be. This is also something that studies have proven.
We are finding that the human brain is more complex than we ever imagined it was.
For example:
1. A person who should grow up to be a serial killer instead becomes a doctor or a preacher.
2. A person who grows in a decent family values home, lives in a good affluent community ought to become a community leader, cop, doctor, or even a preacher, but instead becomes a serial rapist or serial killer.
We can't determine how a person turns out, all we can do is try to influence him or her.

OOC: I realize this, AMF and Whittier. What do you think a decade of training is for? Subjecting them to the same stimulus as the original is likely to produce the same result. Horrible reversals will simply be desposed of. Perhaps their personalities will not be completely identical, but they will be close.

Whittier, we already know what the person will do under given circumstances. We just have to recreate them and they will be (atleast close to) the same.

Horrible reversals will simply be desposed of.

OOC: Exactly, we do the same.

Whittier, seriously, you can sit around all day and ponder how we can do this to cloned people, but you really need to understand that this is a magical word called "role-play". Now matter how well you try to work in real world physics to prove that what we're doing is impossible, I'll just laugh in your face because none of this is real.

If what we do does not seem feasible to you, then ignore me and ignore Northwestern Liang. But don't run into our threads throwing real life logic into a fantasy RP to discredit us, please.

OOC: I realize this, AMF and Whittier. What do you think a decade of training is for? Subjecting them to the same stimulus as the original is likely to produce the same result. Horrible reversals will simply be desposed of. Perhaps their personalities will not be completely identical, but they will be close.

Whittier, we already know what the person will do under given circumstances. We just have to recreate them and they will be (atleast close to) the same.

That's a satisfactory answer to me.

Horrible reversals will simply be desposed of.

OOC: Exactly, we do the same.

Whittier, seriously, you can sit around all day and ponder how we can do this to cloned people, but you really need to understand that this is a magical word called "role-play". Now matter how well you try to work in real world physics to prove that what we're doing is impossible, I'll just laugh in your face because none of this is real.

If what we do does not seem feasible to you, then ignore me and ignore Northwestern Liang. But don't run into our threads throwing real life logic into a fantasy RP to discredit us, please.
OOC: Well, excuse me. But this is the first time I've rpd fantasy.
I am not trying to discredit you, then of course you WOULD think that questioning something is the same as discrediting it.
What you say about this just being rp and rl physics not applying, if that did hold, then it would not matter how one rps as long as he does not engage in personal attacks. So there would be no such thing as "godmodding", there would be no such thing as "noobs".
Cause there would be no limits.
Finally, I am already ignoring you ICly, cause you are ignoring some of my allies.

OOC: Well, excuse me. But this is the first time I've rpd fantasy.

It's a totally different league than what you're used to.


I am not trying to discredit you, then of course you WOULD think that questioning something is the same as discrediting it.

No, you've stated several times that unless we tamper with their brains we can't make our soldiers the way we want them. Wether you realize it or not, be it directly or indirectly you're trying to discredit us.


What you say about this just being rp and rl physics not applying, if that did hold, then it would not matter how one rps as long as he does not engage in personal attacks.

What? That made absolutly no sense. So you're saying that as long as we don't flame eachother our RP skills don't matter?

So there would be no such thing as "godmodding", there would be no such thing as "noobs".
Cause there would be no limits.

There are no limits. Godmodding results when somebody tries to do something that's so blatently unbelievable (like having God on your side and killing everyone, or landing millions of troops onto somone's beach in a single drop) that it would result in them destroying everybody/and or a player.

Melkor's gravships are not godmods.
Siri's elves are not godmods.
Angelus's WorldDisc is not a godmod.
Northwestern Liang's soldiers are not godmods.

Just because things aren't strictly modern tech dosen't mean they can't exist.


Finally, I am already ignoring you ICly, cause you are ignoring some of my allies.

I find that to be very childish but that's your decision to ignore me I guess, not much I can do about it.

OOC: Well, excuse me. But this is the first time I've rpd fantasy.

It's a totally different league than what you're used to.


I am not trying to discredit you, then of course you WOULD think that questioning something is the same as discrediting it.

No, you've stated several times that unless we tamper with their brains we can't make our soldiers the way we want them. Wether you realize it or not, be it directly or indirectly you're trying to discredit us.


What you say about this just being rp and rl physics not applying, if that did hold, then it would not matter how one rps as long as he does not engage in personal attacks.

What? That made absolutly no sense. So you're saying that as long as we don't flame eachother our RP skills don't matter?

So there would be no such thing as "godmodding", there would be no such thing as "noobs".
Cause there would be no limits.

There are no limits. Godmodding results when somebody tries to do something that's so blatently unbelievable (like having God on your side and killing everyone, or landing millions of troops onto somone's beach in a single drop) that it would result in them destroying everybody/and or a player.

Melkor's gravships are not godmods.
Siri's elves are not godmods.
Angelus's WorldDisc is not a godmod.
Northwestern Liang's soldiers are not godmods.

Just because things aren't strictly modern tech dosen't mean they can't exist.


Finally, I am already ignoring you ICly, cause you are ignoring some of my allies.

I find that to be very childish but that's your decision to ignore me I guess, not much I can do about it.
How am I discrediting you?
A persons RP skills depend on how long you've been doing this.
People have different RP skill levels. What many here find objectionable is when one of us who have been here a long time, goes into a new guy's thread, and flames or trolls him cause he does not have the same skill level as we do. Now, I don't even bother posting in such threads cause such nations don't exist in my universe as I've said. So if they don't exist, why go to the trouble of flaming or trolling them?
Case in point: Demonic Terrorists. He's obviously hasn't rpd much before if at all. But I don't post in his threads cause, to me, he don't exist.
My point here being that it would be better if there were a way to divide people up according to skill level. But since there isn't, all I can do is accept whatever the majority of NS nations accept. If everyone says Magdha took over southeast asia and one guys says he didn't, I go with the majority. Cause that's a safe bet.

Having God on your side is legitimate fantasy rp I would point out. After all, as you said, none of this is real anyway. Then again, you are free to ignore any rp you don't want to accept. As you yourself have already accepted.

Heh, it's a defacto ignore. But it applies only in IC.
Since you and DT couldn't agree on what was IC or OOC, I just put an IC ignore. This obviously doesn't apply OOC.

OOC: You seem to be trying to decredit the idea of genetically engineered soldiers such as used by AMF and Liang by the very fact you argue their possibility... however, as AMF has already stated it doesn't matter if they are feasable in real life or not, it's not relevant because nationstates is about the story not the science, Automagfreek may have some questionable technology an ethics, but so long as he keeps up the good story I couldn't care if he had a Grav Ship the size of a small naval vessal, the realism of his story is up to him and it's up to us to either accept or ignore this RP.

No one has to accept an RP, if Automagfreek attempted to invade my nation with troops teleporting in, but he had 5 pages to describe why, I would still able to ignore him no matter how much effort, time or explaination the RP has because ulimately I control my nation.

However, the thing about freeform is that while everyone has the freedom to do what they like, it's a mob run environment. If I ignored every RP thrown at me, no matter how well it was RP in each case, I would probably start to see people ignoring me on principal and get a bad reputation. There are "guidelines" in freeform RP (the kind most think are rules) which we use to quickly deterine what we want to RP with or not.

Now in this case I'm perfectly happy to RP with both Liang and Automagfreek because both of them put effort and time into their story, which is what NS is about, we're not in a system where total victory is possible and it's a system for roleplaying with other people, not against other people, IC you are against people, but OOC we are generally meant to be indiferent.


Physics in nationstates roleplay are optional depending on the two players at that time, personally I incist on making sure that logistics are taken into account during an invasion of my nation because it's the toughest part a invader needs to know about, without logistics there is no invasion. However I've been known to RP with Rave Shentavo, a roleplay who's character may well be powerful enough (in her mind) to destroy the planet... of course, if she claims the planet is destroy people will laugh and ignore her, but thats beside the point, they only work because despite Rave's indifference to real life workings, she writes a good story.

Same goes for Melkor in a different respect; you know Melkor hasn't really bothered to design up his army like many others have, it's not important to know specifics unless your interested in knowing the difference between different forms of RPG. However, despite his own use of Orcs and gravships, he writes a damn good story and makes up a good part of Nationstates, damn near everyone knows him.

GODMODing is what one player claims against another... basically its like ignoring someone but claiming that their RP is so overpowered and unbalanced that it would be pointless to RP with them because it would be boring for you and pretty unbelievable as a story. Whether people listen to you is down to mob rule, why you called it and who you called it against. Alot of the time people don't even care...


So to sum up, either ignore these two and don't RP with them, or accept their nations concept... if you can't accept their concept then it's impossible for you to play with them because you are affectively asking them to change for you, which they arn't going to do.

Again, this is my two pence, if you don't like freeform RP I would suggest you buy any version of Sid Meier's Civilisation and play that by its limited scope, because without the freeform part of roleplay we would all just be in another linier computer game.