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Generia wishes to purchase chemical agents

Generic empire
24-06-2004, 02:55
The Generic Empire would be highly appreciative to any nation who could facilitate the development of our fledgling chemical warfare division. Specifically nerve agents are to be sought. The nation that sells us these agents will recieve complete immunity in the future from their effects.
Grenval
24-06-2004, 02:59
Grenval would normally condeem you for such violent wishes, however Grenval has recently declared war. We will not fund you, but we are always looking for allies, preferrably ones with CBWs and WMDs but, who do not use the CBWs or WMDs.

Foreign Affairs Minister
Grenval
Generic empire
24-06-2004, 03:27
Bump
Dontgonearthere
24-06-2004, 03:29
DGNT will sell you Dihydrogen monoxide for G250 per gallon, or hydroxic acid at the same price.
Generic empire
24-06-2004, 03:55
We will take 100 gallons of Dihydrogen monoxide for 25 million American dollars. Money will be wired upon confirmation of delivery.
Super American VX Man
24-06-2004, 03:59
OOC: Dihydrogen Monoxide = H20 = water :wink:

Syntec Corporation Chemical (and other) Munitions (http://www.angelfire.com/ns2/toxicvalley/heavy.html)

Look at the top for standard chemical agents, then at the bottom for our original "Deviator Gas."
Communist Mississippi
24-06-2004, 04:02
We will take 100 gallons of Dihydrogen monoxide for 25 million American dollars. Money will be wired upon confirmation of delivery.

Dihydorgen monoxide is just water.

H2O

Di=Two
Hydrogen= Hydrogen (H)

mono=one

oxide=O
Generic empire
24-06-2004, 04:02
I feel like a moron. Forgive me.
Generic empire
24-06-2004, 04:04
That was stupid. Im sorry.
Communist Mississippi
24-06-2004, 04:04
Dihydrogen monoxide is in fact a dangerous chemical agent responsible for about 100,000 deaths worldwide per year. It is not officially classified as a weapons grade toxic substance, but is lethal enough to act as one. Check your facts.


Yeah, because people tend to drown from it. Check your facts. Also, water sends debris such as cars, trees, etc to crash into houses during floods. Hurricanes also send much water.

But if you ask me if I'd rather be sprayed with water, or with VX gas. I'll choose the water. Check your facts.
Truitt
24-06-2004, 04:05
Star Dust is a good Anti-Organic Matter chemical. However, we can not supply them, go ask around.
Communist Mississippi
24-06-2004, 04:06
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html

here's the facts.


I remember that a few years back in High School, our chemistry teacher gave it out as a joke to everybody. It is a joke site meant for the ignorant.
A town council official in a california town even tried to get "anything composed of dhmo" banned. When he realized it meant water, he shut up rather quickly.
Generic empire
24-06-2004, 04:06
Haha ok sorry for my ignorance. I blush.
Generic empire
24-06-2004, 04:08
Well now, because water is not doing it for us we are still in the market for chemical weapons. Help us please in our quest to not have to spray water on our enemies in hopes that they will become uncomfortably damp.
Communist Mississippi
24-06-2004, 04:18
Well now, because water is not doing it for us we are still in the market for chemical weapons. Help us please in our quest to not have to spray water on our enemies in hopes that they will become uncomfortably damp.


[code:1:38dd134bd5] Secret Offer
If you can tell me what this is commonly called, I'll GIVE you 50 tons of it.

That means 100,000 lbs. In either artillery shells, 1 ton drums, or 500lb aircraft bombs.


The item is "Isopropyl methylphosphonofluoridate" Which is better known as ___________________________________. Get it right and the 50 tons are yours.

[/code:1:38dd134bd5]
McQuaide
24-06-2004, 04:23
McQuaide
24-06-2004, 04:25
Sarin. Accidentally invented when someone was trying to develop a pesticide, right?
Communist Mississippi
24-06-2004, 04:30
Sarin. Accidentally invented when someone was trying to develop a pesticide, right?

Thank you for ruining his question. It was a message to Generic. Good job.
Dontgonearthere
24-06-2004, 04:30
*feels superior*
Well, you could superheat it in a nuclear reactor and use it to generate electricity...
Or boil it in pots and throw it at people.
Im going to do this to every newb who asks for weapons now...its funny :)
Mauiwowee
24-06-2004, 04:43
Mauiwowee
24-06-2004, 04:44
The Generic Empire would be highly appreciative to any nation who could facilitate the development of our fledgling chemical warfare division. Specifically nerve agents are to be sought. The nation that sells us these agents will recieve complete immunity in the future from their effects.

It is not "exactly" chemical warfare, but the possibilities are enormous. We do not need any sort of immunity from the nanites, but we do need cooperative efforts in development of a delivery system. See our information at http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151770&highlight= on our technology and contact us if interested.
Mauiwowee
24-06-2004, 04:44
The Generic Empire would be highly appreciative to any nation who could facilitate the development of our fledgling chemical warfare division. Specifically nerve agents are to be sought. The nation that sells us these agents will recieve complete immunity in the future from their effects.

It is not "exactly" chemical warfare, but the possibilities are enormous. We do not need any sort of immunity from the nanites, but we do need cooperative efforts in development of a delivery system. See our information at http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151770&highlight= on our technology and contact us if interested.
Generic empire
24-06-2004, 22:12
This idea for nanite warfare sounds promising, but it is not exactly what we are looking for. I want to begin a serious business and developmental research partnership with your nation in order to find other more militarily "practically" uses. If we could develop these nanites to feed on, say, human lung tissue than sales would skyrocket on the underground. Please respond to my idea as soon as possible.
Generic empire
24-06-2004, 22:25
Bump
Mauiwowee
24-06-2004, 22:29
This idea for nanite warfare sounds promising, but it is not exactly what we are looking for. I want to begin a serious business and developmental research partnership with your nation in order to find other more militarily "practically" uses. If we could develop these nanites to feed on, say, human lung tissue than sales would skyrocket on the underground. Please respond to my idea as soon as possible.

We have been investigating a similar development. However, our plan was to develop nanites that fed on red blood cells. If you are serious in your offer of a partnerhip along these lines, please communicate your terms to us. We stand willing and ready to engage in a joint venture to develop the nanites. We had even come up with a name for them, "cellulites." At present we are still in the research and development phase. However, with a strong partner, this process could be speeded up and actual production begun within the year. Currently, as with the andromedites, a delivery system is an issue. Also, the need to ensure containment possibilities so that they don't become (effectively) a world wide plague is needed.

Cordially,
Gen. Jack T. Ripper
CEO, W.M.D. Inc
Generic empire
24-06-2004, 22:37
Secret I.C. to Mauiwowee

We agree that a partnership would be most efficient and lucrative for us both. The development of these cellulites is a brilliant idea and if you would allow it, we would send the most brilliant minds in biology and genetic engineering in all of Generia to aid your research teams. Cultures of the primary stages of these cellulites could also be shipped to Generia for added speed in development. About the containment facilities, we could quickly erect several large storage and research facilities under military guard to ensure that if, god forbid, an outbreak occured it could be completely contained and fatalities minimized. Security would have to be a major priority to ensure the secrecy of this project, until the time is right to reveal it. These are our major ideas for a partnership, communicate any additional ideas as they come to you.
-General George Zhukov, Military Research and Development-Imperial Department of Chemical and Biological Defense
Mauiwowee
24-06-2004, 23:46
Secret I.C. to Mauiwowee

We agree that a partnership would be most efficient and lucrative for us both. The development of these cellulites is a brilliant idea and if you would allow it, we would send the most brilliant minds in biology and genetic engineering in all of Generia to aid your research teams. Cultures of the primary stages of these cellulites could also be shipped to Generia for added speed in development. About the containment facilities, we could quickly erect several large storage and research facilities under military guard to ensure that if, god forbid, an outbreak occured it could be completely contained and fatalities minimized. Security would have to be a major priority to ensure the secrecy of this project, until the time is right to reveal it. These are our major ideas for a partnership, communicate any additional ideas as they come to you.
-General George Zhukov, Military Research and Development-Imperial Department of Chemical and Biological Defense

Encrypted Communique:
Secure Channel z-1

From: Gen Jack T. Ripper
To: Gen. George Zhukov

RE: Cellulites partnership

Dear Gen. Zhukov:

One quick question, do you already have in place nanite constuction facilities? As I'm sure you realize, building biological machines at the molecular level and programming them is no small task. Our nanite construction facilities have cost us well over $34 Billion Buds ($136 Billion U.S.). Most of our technology is also considered classified with a need to know only basis for access. We would need some assurances in this regard before we could send any samples to you for R & D there. However, we would welcome your scientists, geneticists, etc. here. As noted, what we'd really like to develop in conjunction with you is a delivery system and certainly once the nanites and the delivery system are perfected, we'd permit marketing and sale of the items by you on financial terms to be arranged at the appropriate time.

Sincerely,
Jack T. Ripper
CEO. W.M.D. Inc.
Mauiwowee
24-06-2004, 23:50
Secret I.C. to Mauiwowee

We agree that a partnership would be most efficient and lucrative for us both. The development of these cellulites is a brilliant idea and if you would allow it, we would send the most brilliant minds in biology and genetic engineering in all of Generia to aid your research teams. Cultures of the primary stages of these cellulites could also be shipped to Generia for added speed in development. About the containment facilities, we could quickly erect several large storage and research facilities under military guard to ensure that if, god forbid, an outbreak occured it could be completely contained and fatalities minimized. Security would have to be a major priority to ensure the secrecy of this project, until the time is right to reveal it. These are our major ideas for a partnership, communicate any additional ideas as they come to you.
-General George Zhukov, Military Research and Development-Imperial Department of Chemical and Biological Defense

Encrypted Communique:
Secure Channel z-1

From: Gen Jack T. Ripper
To: Gen. George Zhukov

RE: Cellulites partnership

Dear Gen. Zhukov:

One quick question, do you already have in place nanite constuction facilities? As I'm sure you realize, building biological machines at the molecular level and programming them is no small task. Our nanite construction facilities have cost us well over $34 Billion Buds ($136 Billion U.S.). Most of our technology is also considered classified with a need to know only basis for access. We would need some assurances in this regard before we could send any samples to you for R & D there. However, we would welcome your scientists, geneticists, etc. here. As noted, what we'd really like to develop in conjunction with you is a delivery system and certainly once the nanites and the delivery system are perfected, we'd permit marketing and sale of the items by you on financial terms to be arranged at the appropriate time.

Sincerely,
Jack T. Ripper
CEO. W.M.D. Inc.
Mauiwowee
24-06-2004, 23:52
Secret I.C. to Mauiwowee

We agree that a partnership would be most efficient and lucrative for us both. The development of these cellulites is a brilliant idea and if you would allow it, we would send the most brilliant minds in biology and genetic engineering in all of Generia to aid your research teams. Cultures of the primary stages of these cellulites could also be shipped to Generia for added speed in development. About the containment facilities, we could quickly erect several large storage and research facilities under military guard to ensure that if, god forbid, an outbreak occured it could be completely contained and fatalities minimized. Security would have to be a major priority to ensure the secrecy of this project, until the time is right to reveal it. These are our major ideas for a partnership, communicate any additional ideas as they come to you.
-General George Zhukov, Military Research and Development-Imperial Department of Chemical and Biological Defense

Encrypted Communique:
Secure Channel z-1

From: Gen Jack T. Ripper
To: Gen. George Zhukov

RE: Cellulites partnership

Dear Gen. Zhukov:

One quick question, do you already have in place nanite constuction facilities? As I'm sure you realize, building biological machines at the molecular level and programming them is no small task. Our nanite construction facilities have cost us well over $34 Billion Buds ($136 Billion U.S.). Most of our technology is also considered classified with a need to know only basis for access. We would need some assurances in this regard before we could send any samples to you for R & D there. However, we would welcome your scientists, geneticists, etc. here. As noted, what we'd really like to develop in conjunction with you is a delivery system and certainly once the nanites and the delivery system are perfected, we'd permit marketing and sale of the items by you on financial terms to be arranged at the appropriate time.

Sincerely,
Jack T. Ripper
CEO. W.M.D. Inc.

OOC// If you haven't read it yet, I suggest you read the novel "Prey" by Michael Crichton.
Mauiwowee
24-06-2004, 23:52
Secret I.C. to Mauiwowee

We agree that a partnership would be most efficient and lucrative for us both. The development of these cellulites is a brilliant idea and if you would allow it, we would send the most brilliant minds in biology and genetic engineering in all of Generia to aid your research teams. Cultures of the primary stages of these cellulites could also be shipped to Generia for added speed in development. About the containment facilities, we could quickly erect several large storage and research facilities under military guard to ensure that if, god forbid, an outbreak occured it could be completely contained and fatalities minimized. Security would have to be a major priority to ensure the secrecy of this project, until the time is right to reveal it. These are our major ideas for a partnership, communicate any additional ideas as they come to you.
-General George Zhukov, Military Research and Development-Imperial Department of Chemical and Biological Defense

Encrypted Communique:
Secure Channel z-1

From: Gen Jack T. Ripper
To: Gen. George Zhukov

RE: Cellulites partnership

Dear Gen. Zhukov:

One quick question, do you already have in place nanite constuction facilities? As I'm sure you realize, building biological machines at the molecular level and programming them is no small task. Our nanite construction facilities have cost us well over $34 Billion Buds ($136 Billion U.S.). Most of our technology is also considered classified with a need to know only basis for access. We would need some assurances in this regard before we could send any samples to you for R & D there. However, we would welcome your scientists, geneticists, etc. here. As noted, what we'd really like to develop in conjunction with you is a delivery system and certainly once the nanites and the delivery system are perfected, we'd permit marketing and sale of the items by you on financial terms to be arranged at the appropriate time.

Sincerely,
Jack T. Ripper
CEO. W.M.D. Inc.

OOC// If you haven't read it yet, I suggest you read the novel "Prey" by Michael Crichton.
Generic empire
25-06-2004, 00:46
Secret I.C. to Mauiwowee

Encrypted Communique:
Secure Channel z-1

From: Gen Jack T. Ripper
To: Gen. George Zhukov

RE: Cellulites partnership

Dear Gen. Zhukov:

One quick question, do you already have in place nanite constuction facilities? As I'm sure you realize, building biological machines at the molecular level and programming them is no small task. Our nanite construction facilities have cost us well over $34 Billion Buds ($136 Billion U.S.). Most of our technology is also considered classified with a need to know only basis for access. We would need some assurances in this regard before we could send any samples to you for R & D there. However, we would welcome your scientists, geneticists, etc. here. As noted, what we'd really like to develop in conjunction with you is a delivery system and certainly once the nanites and the delivery system are perfected, we'd permit marketing and sale of the items by you on financial terms to be arranged at the appropriate time.

Sincerely,
Jack T. Ripper
CEO. W.M.D. Inc.

OOC// If you haven't read it yet, I suggest you read the novel "Prey" by Michael Crichton.


We do not currently have these facilities in place, but i assure you that our manpower is more than sufficient to construct any structure necessary within a few months. We are completely willing to commit all of our resources and manpower to this project no matter the cost. The benefits are such that we will do anything we can to make this partnership work. We are quite willing to aid in the development of a delivery system, but some specifications as to how this system would function according to your researchers would be appreciated, seeing as they know far more about the project than we currently do. We understand your desire for some assurance before you send us any samples, but in the meantime we will send our researchers to aid you in your own nation. We would also appreciate it if these researchers were allowed to send some of the details that they find about the nanites so more efficient storage and development facilities may be constructed. Of course all information would be cleared by your government before it was transmitted. We appreciate your commitment to this partnership and hope that it will be long and prosperous.
-General George Zhukov, Imperial Military Research and Development
Mauiwowee
25-06-2004, 01:56
We do not currently have these facilities in place, but i assure you that our manpower is more than sufficient to construct any structure necessary within a few months. We are completely willing to commit all of our resources and manpower to this project no matter the cost. The benefits are such that we will do anything we can to make this partnership work. We are quite willing to aid in the development of a delivery system, but some specifications as to how this system would function according to your researchers would be appreciated, seeing as they know far more about the project than we currently do. We understand your desire for some assurance before you send us any samples, but in the meantime we will send our researchers to aid you in your own nation. We would also appreciate it if these researchers were allowed to send some of the details that they find about the nanites so more efficient storage and development facilities may be constructed. Of course all information would be cleared by your government before it was transmitted. We appreciate your commitment to this partnership and hope that it will be long and prosperous.
-General George Zhukov, Imperial Military Research and Development

Encrypted Communique:
Secure Channel z-1

From: Gen Jack T. Ripper
To: Gen. George Zhukov

RE: Cellulites partnership

Dear Gen. Zhukov:
We appreciate your quick response. This is what we propose. You send a team here to work with our scientists and in our facility to perfect the nanites themselves and learn about the manufacturing process. We in turn will send a team to your country to work on a delivery system (for both the Cellulites and the Andromedites). Once the Cellulites and their manufacture has been perfected here, your team will return to your country with samples of the finished product as well as the "know how" on the building of a manufacturing facility. Likewise our team working on the delivery systems. We will then grant you an exclusive license to produce both Andromedites and Cellulites and you will grant us the license to produce the delivery systems for them for a period of 10 years with an option for another 10 years. As you sell the nanite weapons you will pay us 50% of your net profits upon each sale and likewise for us during the period of the license. At the end of 10 years (or 20 should the license be renewed) we will renegoiate the terms taking into account any improvements on the technology either of us have come up with. If these terms are acceptable let us know. Assuming they are, the team of scientists you send should include only those with the highest of security clearances and consist of (at least):
1. Robotics engineer (for manufacturing process understanding)
2. Genetics expert (for obvious reasons)
3. Computer programmer (for manufacture issues AND programming of nanite behavior)
4. immunologist (hopefully again for obvious reasons)
5. Generalized industrial engineer (for manufacturing issues)
6. anatomist/physician (for generalized study of the effect of Cellulites on the body)
7. Cryogenics Expert (to deal with storage, transportation and understand delivery system needs).
8. Cellular biologist (again, should be obvious)
9. Xenobiologist (remember this technology is derived from a study of an off-world organism)
10. Microchip laser technologist (again to deal primarily with manufacturing issues).

Please inform us of the names of your scientists and when they may arrive and we will ensure they get red carpet treatment and that their visas are prepared and ready for indefinite stays.

Sincerely,
Jack T. Ripper
CEO, W.M.D., Inc.

P.S. note that King 'Lude II has also conditioned our trade in this technololgy on your country's willingness to enter into a non-aggression pact and military alliance with us. I assume this is a non-issue as just as we would not want to be attacked using these weapons, neither would you.

P.P.S. To aid you in the selection of scientists, should you accept our terms, a detailed description of exactly how the Cellulites function will be forwarded. Currently this information is classified and I cannot release it to you until we have agreed on terms and conditions of our technology exchange.
Liberal John Jacob
25-06-2004, 02:09
The peoples republic would request 50 gallons of deviator gas
along with 40 pints of smallpox

payment will be wired on confirmation of order
Generic empire
25-06-2004, 02:14
Official Imperial Communique, contents classified:encrypted

From: Gen. George Zhukov

To: Gen. Jack T. Ripper

We agree to the terms set down by your nation. We will select scientists based on your criteria previously set down, and will send a personnel list upon final selection, and the details on cellulite functionality that are to be forwarded on confirmation. These men will be selected and deployed as soon as possible, and will arrive in three days time at the max. We will make sure that they are completely trustworthy, and loyal to the Generian government and the project, and we hope that you will do the same with your researchers. We will accept your team with the utmost dignity and politesse that the Empire has to offer, and make sure that their accomodations and working facilities are up to their expectations in order to ensure that the project is completed quickly, efficiently, and as smoothly as possible. Engineers will be the most necessary for the construction of a delivery system, although researchers that have complete understanding of the nature and structure of the cellulites to be transported are to be included in the team, naturally. We agree to the 10 year contract after the completion of the project and know that it will be a profitable partnership. We also agree to your monarch's terms of military alliance and non-aggression pact. Hostility would be both costly and extremely counter-productive. Upon confirmation a list of scientists will be sent via secure encrypted channel. Again we hope for an efficient and lucrative partnership.

With Utmost Respect,
Gen. George Zhukov, Imperial Military Research and Development
Mauiwowee
25-06-2004, 05:05
Official Imperial Communique, contents classified:encrypted

From: Gen. George Zhukov

To: Gen. Jack T. Ripper

We agree to the terms set down by your nation. We will select scientists based on your criteria previously set down, and will send a personnel list upon final selection, and the details on cellulite functionality that are to be forwarded on confirmation. These men will be selected and deployed as soon as possible, and will arrive in three days time at the max. We will make sure that they are completely trustworthy, and loyal to the Generian government and the project, and we hope that you will do the same with your researchers. We will accept your team with the utmost dignity and politesse that the Empire has to offer, and make sure that their accomodations and working facilities are up to their expectations in order to ensure that the project is completed quickly, efficiently, and as smoothly as possible. Engineers will be the most necessary for the construction of a delivery system, although researchers that have complete understanding of the nature and structure of the cellulites to be transported are to be included in the team, naturally. We agree to the 10 year contract after the completion of the project and know that it will be a profitable partnership. We also agree to your monarch's terms of military alliance and non-aggression pact. Hostility would be both costly and extremely counter-productive. Upon confirmation a list of scientists will be sent via secure encrypted channel. Again we hope for an efficient and lucrative partnership.

With Utmost Respect,
Gen. George Zhukov, Imperial Military Research and Development

Encrypted Communique:
Secure Channel z-1

From: Gen Jack T. Ripper
To: Gen. George Zhukov

RE: Cellulites partnership

Dear Gen. Zhukov:
DONE!

First, as to the trustworthines of our scientists, our country has mandatory military service (see the brief history and description of our country here: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151357&highlight= )and the best and brightest remain. All scientists sent to your country will be active military personnel with "need to know only" security clearances. You may rest assured that any dissemination of information outside of this project will be considered treason by our king and those involved will face criminal charges that could result in life in isolationist prison camps (we do not have a death penalty outside of active military treason on the battlefield).

Second, as to how the Cellulites "work;" I'm not a molecular biologitst, but this is how I understand it: As you know, the original Andromeda strain of bacteria upon which this technology is based had the ability to "eat" carbon based plastic/rubber products (which is why once the manufacturing process was perfected the production of the original Andromedites was not exceptionally difficult according to our team). Our team managed to "decipher" the Andromeda bacteria's genetic code that allowed it to "eat" plastic/rubber and convert that to a computer code that could be programmed into a nanite machine (understand, nanites are NOT biological entities like a virus or bacterium, rather they are molecular sized, manufactured machines and robots). Using the original program dervived from the Andromeda Strain of bacterium and the Andromedite nanite, our scientists have developed a nanite that "eats" iron at the molecular level.

As I told you, the basic idea of the Cellulites is that they "eat" red blood cells. How it actually "works" is that they "absorb" the molecular iron found in red blood cells and use it to reproduce. As your own scientists can tell you, at the cellular level, all red blooded creatures have molecular iron in their blood which absorbs oxygen from the lungs (or gills in the case of fish) and then transports that oxygen through the body to organs/cells as needed. The Cellulites "take" this iron from the red blood cells and use it in their reproductive cycle leaving blood cells that do not have the ability to absorb oxygen. Essentially a person "infected" with Cellulites dies of asphyxiation (note, the Cellulites also cause significant liver damage as well). Our original intent with the Cellulites was to develop a nanite that could "eat" raw iron and steel. (Imagine dropping an ounce of nanites on the deck of a carrier and watching the entire carrier rust and sink in less than 24 hours!). However, what we found was that processed iron (unlike processed carbon) was not useable by the modified Andromeda Strain bacterium's computer generated "copy" of their genetic programming. However, molecular, "raw" iron could be absorbed and used by nanites based on this technology (it makes no sense to me, talk to your molecular biologists, mine have tried to explain the difference but I still "don't get it."). Once we realized that steel and iron on the processed level was immune to the nanite "eating" process we started to scrap the project. It was then that one of our lead scientists, basically on a whim, injected the modified nanites into a lab dog (a Siberian Husky to be exact). It died within 15 minutes. An autopsy was performed and to the the scientist's amazement, the dog's blood was clear appearing as "a blueish tinged, watery liquid without the appearance of normal blood at all." Also, "the liver appears to have collapsed in upon itself and is filled with a powdery substance that resembles iron filings." Realizing what had taken place, the project was re-opened as a biological weapons project (like the Andromedites the scientists had originally envisioned as an idea of using to "eat" plastics/rubber in landfills, they had envisioned nanites that "ate" iron/steel scrap as a way to dispose of items contained in waste dumps, etc. However, the military recognized the true use of the scientific reports on the project).

Finally, and amazingly to me (though of understanding by our molecular biologists) those cheapo copper bracelets with a magnet in them do in fact slow the effect of the Cellulites introduced into a human (or other) red celled body/organisms. It won't cure the "infection" but it demonstrably slows the effect (it has something to do with the magnet's ability affect iron, even on a molecular level and the molecular structure of copper as it is absorbed into the human body. Again, ask your molecular biologists, I don't understand). Currently, based on computer models, it appears that a single Cellulite introduced directly into the bloodstream will kill a 200 lb., 6'0'' tall man or woman within 150 minutes. This time frame can be shortened in a person with anemia, liver disease (of any kind), leukiamia or who is pregnant. It is enlarged (by up to 26 hours) in people in "perfect health" who are wearing one of the described cheapo copper bracelets with magnets. Also, persons who are "infected" with Cellulites who are directly exposed to a magnet with sufficient enough strength can neutralize the Cellulites if they recieve magnetic treatment prior to approximately 50% of their blood's oxygen absorbtion capabilities being destroyed by the Cellulites (i.e. imagine having an automobile scrap yard's electromagnet within an inch or so of your head for about 20 minutes.).

Last of all, but important to our agreement relating to delivery systems, our team has been working on, what amounts to , a modified hollow-point bullet/shell in which the cavity of the projectile is filled with Cellulites/Andromedites. I'm not sure why it doesn't work as it would seem to me it should, but it doesn't.

This shoudl be sufficient for you to choose your team that will come to Mauiwowee as a part of our partnership. Further details will be made known to them upon their arrival and inspection of our facilities. Likewise, our team that is being sent to you.

Sincerely,
Gen. Jack T. Ripper
CEO, W.M.D., Inc.
Generic empire
25-06-2004, 22:14
Official Imperial Communique-Double Encrypted
Pad#1752394327


From: Gen. George Zhukov
To:Gen. Jack T. Ripper

RE: Scientific Personnel List

Your technology is fascinating, and thankfully, understandable to me, myself not being a molecular biologist either. I do comprehend how the cellulites work, however, and have chosen my best scientists for the job. It is good that the fact that these are machines and not organisms was clarified, thank you for that. Here, as promised is the list of researchers that will be arriving in your nation.

Dr. Mikhail Moroshkin-
Head, nano-biology dept. University of Generia
Has been working in this field for over 40 years, considered the leading authority on nano-biological technology. Specialist in cellular biology.
Project Leader for Generian portion of research team

Prof. Jonathan Raatko- Expert, field of Genetic science, prof. also University of Generia
Considered another leading man in his field, studied medical biology and genetics at Harvard University

Dr. Joseph Oratni, MD- Practicing medical doctor and anatomist. Considered The Best surgeon in the country, now spends most of his time in the research department under government funding.

Vladimir Zabav- Robotics Engineer, Fmr. chair of robotics dept. University of Alberia. Currently head of Imperial Military Robotics Research.

Pyutur Czerewko- Laser Technologist, Dept. of nano-weapons development, Imperial Army

Dr. Anja Czeimislawa- Cellular biologist, Prof. University of Generia
Considered second in her field only to Dr. Mikhail Moroshkin, contributed to some of the most influential health and medical technology research of the late 20th century. Is regarded as the most intelligent and influential female scientist in Generia

Czisz Kraichen- Industrial Engineer, Tyson & Johansssen firearms Inc.
One of few civilians to be considered for this honor of working on the project and rightfully so. Considered a better engineer than any the government has to offer, has repeatedly turned down offers to work for the Imperial military manufacturing corp, this being his first government assignment.

Dr. Ivan Kruschev-Immunologist, Head of Generian Dept. of health
A leading man in disease control and vaccination. Made many advancements in vaccine technology and production, contributing greatly to the development of an anthrax vaccine currently under development. The top choice for this position by far.

Dr. Paul Goldsmith- Xenobiologist
Israeli national, moved to United States in late 20's to work on SETI project, found numerous examples of alien lifeforms, findings were never published. Left SETI in 2001 to return to his family in Israel. Family killed in suicide explosion on bus. Moved to Generia to take up job as chair of Extraterrestrial search and research dept. of Generian Military Intelligence
Has Generian citizenship

Abdul Rahman-Cryogenics expert
Fmr. head of Pakistani chemical warfare dept. specialized in safe transport of volatile substances through cryogenic freezing. Fired for attempting to smuggle weapons systems to Iran contras in 1980's. Left Pakistan and joined Generian Chemical warfare division, transport dept.
Has Generian citizenship

Kobak Novinskii- Computer Programmer, Generian Intelligence
Considered leading man in dept. of computer warfare. Well known cryptologist, responsible for creation of the Novinskii Cypher, a one time pad cypher, found to be unbreakable by the NSA. One of most intelligent and respected men in the Generian Intelligence service and one of the most accomplished analysts and programmers to ever exist in the service

As you can see, these are some of the most respected and intelligent men and women in their fields and we know that they will make a great contribution to this project. As we speak they are preparing to depart via government jet to your nation and will arrive in approximately 12 hours. We know that you will find them suitable and helpful members of the team.

Respectfully,
Gen. George Zhukov, Imperial Military Research and Development
Chris gueulette
25-06-2004, 23:00
What do you want i have lots of it? Theres one condition you have to ally with me
Generic empire
25-06-2004, 23:59
What do you want i have lots of it? Theres one condition you have to ally with me

We do not need any of your products. Thank you for your offer.
Mauiwowee
26-06-2004, 04:45
What do you want i have lots of it? Theres one condition you have to ally with me

We do not need any of your products. Thank you for your offer.

Agreed, Generia and Mauiwowee have worked out what we need from each other. Thanks for the offer though.
Mauiwowee
26-06-2004, 05:14
OOC: I'm dispensing with the encrypted, private communications stuff just to speed things up. Accept that no one but you can read this.

IC:Your team has arrived and is ensconced in the VIP wing of W.M.D.'s facility. Our team is on its way and should arrive within the next 10 hours via military jets. We are very impressed with your team too by the way. My project leaders inform me that they had actually tried to recruit Dr. Paul Goldsmith before his family was murdered and they were of the impression that he had been killed with his family and were pleasantly surprised to find he was on your team and they would finally get to work with him. They have many questions about his research and his knowledge of the original Andromeda Strain facility and research there (I'm sure you know he had some involvement in the follow-up to that project).

The team on its way to you consists of:

Dr. Phil Harm Onik - professor of metallurgy at Pakalolo University.

Dr. Memro Ex - Assistant Director of the Mauiwowee special weapons R & D Consortium.

Commander Ave Rie - Deep Sea weapons specialist and Master's level mechanical and explosives engineer. Chief naval Commander and researcher on weapons development for the Mauiwowee Navy/Air Force Joint Research Project.

Dr. Marco Soft - Molecular Biologist and discoverer of Cellulite ability to absorb molecular iron (this is the guy who injected the lab dog with Cellulites and discovered their potential as a weapon). Assistant Director of nanite development for W.M.D., Inc.

As your end of the project develops, let us know what other experts you may need and we will ensure they are sent. Note that each and every one of the above is considered to be on active military service for us in this project their commissions having been re-activated for those that had retired from active military service. They are all 100% trustworthy and posses the highest of security clearances.
Generic empire
26-06-2004, 05:18
We appreciate the reputation of the men on your team and will ensure that they are given exceptional treatment as foreign ambassadors, to ensure the effieciency and effectiveness of our working partnership.
Mauiwowee
26-06-2004, 05:54
OOC: Generia: I know it is just the two of us for all practical purposes, but this is a pretty kewl RP and I'd like to see us continue it with you making announcements about delivery systems, such as solving the hollow point projectile issue and how you did it and what the problems were with it and I'll continue with announcements re: perfection of the nanites and their manufacturing process (both of us giving credit to each other's scientists when appropriate) and ending up with the ability to RP with nano-technology with other countries. 8)
Generic empire
26-06-2004, 06:01
OOC: Generia: I know it is just the two of us for all practical purposes, but this is a pretty kewl RP and I'd like to see us continue it with you making announcements about delivery systems, such as solving the hollow point projectile issue and how you did it and what the problems were with it and I'll continue with announcements re: perfection of the nanites and their manufacturing process (both of us giving credit to each other's scientists when appropriate) and ending up with the ability to RP with nano-technology with other countries. 8)

OOC: That sounds reasonable. I'll get to work, but first I have to brush up on my engineering science.
Generic empire
26-06-2004, 06:43
Just some quick questions on the general theoretical technology. So these cellulites reproduce autonomously only after they enter the body and begin consuming iron? And after the host organism perishes, can the cellulites transfer to another organism? And also, how are the cellulites expected to enter the host organism?
Mauiwowee
26-06-2004, 13:52
Just some quick questions on the general theoretical technology. So these cellulites reproduce autonomously only after they enter the body and begin consuming iron? And after the host organism perishes, can the cellulites transfer to another organism? And also, how are the cellulites expected to enter the host organism?

1. To your first question, yes, sorta. like the Andromedites they use the molecular iron they consume to reproduce themselves. Each Cellulite that "eats" the equivalent of 3 blood cell's worth of molecular iron can "clone" itself. In other words, place a single Cellulite in a tube of blood. The single Cellulite takes the iron from 3 cells and then reproduces itself. Those 2 cellulites then take the iron from 6 cells and reproduce themselves. Those 4 cellulites take the iron from 12 cells and reproduce themselves. those 8 Cellulites, etc. This reproduction is the scary thing; 1.2.4.8.16.32.64.128.256.512.1024.2048.4096 and on and on as the Cellulites reproduce.

2. Transfer to another organism is possible. As long as the Cellulites have molecular/cellular iron to consume in the original host they will remain alive. So they might continue to exist after the death of the host organism. If blood from the original host comes in contact with blood from a 3rd party the Cellulites will feed on it and if it is blood that is flowing from a wound/injury/sore it can transfer back into the body of the 3rd person. But, say for example, the blood was on a bandage that came in contact with some Cellulites. They would consume the iron in the blood found in the bandage, but not infect anyone until the nurse with the bleeding hangnail picked up the infested bandage off the floor and her blood came in contact with the Cellulite infected blood.

3. Finally, how they enter the host is your problem, remember you are developing the delivery systems. That is the part we couldn't figure out.
Generic empire
26-06-2004, 19:17
Cellulite Delivery System Development
code name: IGOR

Preliminary brainstorming sessions among the scientists working on the project have decided that there are two main ways for the cellulites to enter the human blood stream.

The first method is indirect entrance into the bloodstream through inhalation, introduced by Dr. Soft. If the cellulites could be released in a cloud over a city or other populated area, they could be inhaled by organisms in the area. The cellulites would travel through the trachea and into the lungs, where they would enter the pulmonary circulatory system, making their way to the heart. From the heart they would be pumped to all areas of the body, making the infection spread throughout the bloodstream at a rapid rate. The estimated time of death for an average human using this method is approximately ten minutes, from inhalation to asphyxiation. The problem is to make the cellulite material light enough so that they can spread through the air, much like bacteria, and not fall to the ground.

The second, less efficient method, is entry through the pores in human skin. If the cellulites were small enoguh, once they came into contact with the skin they could burrow through human pores and enter the bloodstream this way. This is deemed as less effective, because human epidermis is very good at keeping things out, and the delivery throughout the bloodstream would take longer.

The research team is leaning towards the first delivery method.
Mauiwowee
27-06-2004, 06:13
Cellulite Delivery System Development
code name: IGOR

Preliminary brainstorming sessions among the scientists working on the project have decided that there are two main ways for the cellulites to enter the human blood stream.

The first method is indirect entrance into the bloodstream through inhalation, introduced by Dr. Soft. If the cellulites could be released in a cloud over a city or other populated area, they could be inhaled by organisms in the area. The cellulites would travel through the trachea and into the lungs, where they would enter the pulmonary circulatory system, making their way to the heart. From the heart they would be pumped to all areas of the body, making the infection spread throughout the bloodstream at a rapid rate. The estimated time of death for an average human using this method is approximately ten minutes, from inhalation to asphyxiation. The problem is to make the cellulite material light enough so that they can spread through the air, much like bacteria, and not fall to the ground.

The second, less efficient method, is entry through the pores in human skin. If the cellulites were small enoguh, once they came into contact with the skin they could burrow through human pores and enter the bloodstream this way. This is deemed as less effective, because human epidermis is very good at keeping things out, and the delivery throughout the bloodstream would take longer.

The research team is leaning towards the first delivery method.

To: IGOR team
From: Cellulite Development Team #1: code name: Bloodstream

First: The 2nd delivery system will not work. The Cellulites are about the size of a dust mite and cannot penetrate through the pores of the skin. If applied to an open and bleeding wound they could enter the blood stream, but pure epidermal absorption will not work at all.

Second: The airborne idea is good, but the problem of merely "falling to the ground" like dust does exist absent sufficient wind blowing to keep them "stirred up." Also, this method would require a significant number of the nanites to be available for dispersetion and runs the risk of spreading the "infection" outside the desired target area and will, of course result in death to more than just enemy combatants. civilians, dogs, cats, horses, cows, chickens, etc. would also be affected. However, further research along these lines may be warranted. We will conduct experiments along these lines as we perfect the manufacturing process. We initially see a potential problem with the nanites "self-destruct" encoding, but it is felt by us a practical work-around to this issue can be developed.

Third: prior to turning over delivery system development to you we had been experimenting with direct injection methods such as:
A) "spy rings" that injected a single nanite when a person shook hands with another person;
B) placing the nanites in food that an intended victim would eat (This did not seem to work well, apparantly stomach acid was of sufficient strength to "kill" the nanites and it was only when penetration to the blood stream via a eusophogial connection could be accomplished (which computer models indicate would only happen about 5-10% of the time) that this method would be effective; and
C) filling the cavity in a hollow point bullet with Cellulites that would enter the blood stream of anyone who was shot with such a bullet or loading bullets or other hollow point projectiles with Andromedites that would then "infect" the target (such as another aircraft or a building) when the projectile hit it so the Andromedites could begin to feed on the rubber/plasic products. The problem with this method is storage of the projectiles/bullets. Unless kept at freezing temps so the nanites are dormant, the projectiles cannot be stored for longer than 36 hours (for Andromedites) or 18 hours (for Cellulites) before their own self-destruct sequence "kicks in" and they feed on themselves due to the lack of an outside "food" source. Obviously, soldiers in the field can't keep their ammo clips on ice to maintain dormancy.

Finally, 2 methods that were still in their infant brainstorming stage, but had never been modeled or the reciept of significant consideration were:
A) introduction into a water supply; and
B) covert introduction into medical blood and pharmacutical supplies.

Oh, one more thing. Consideration of programming the nanites with "bee type" collective intelligence and swarming capabilities had been ruled out for the reasons noted in the fictional novel, "Prey" by Michael Crichton. However, if you see a way around these problems, this idea may be worthy of further research.

Hope this helps,
Project Bloodstream team leader,
Xaser Thermaltake