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This doctrine will go into effect immediately:

"It has become apparent that the international community has turned its back to the problems on the continent of Africa. The entire region is ragaved by civil war, resulting in millions of innocent men, women, and children dead each and every year. The international community has turned its back because the resources and time nessesary to fix the problems are something that no one is willing to devote. Credonia has been exploring and experimenting with this as is evident in the Somalia conflict that has just ended not too long ago. We too have fallen victim to the same accusation that was made about the international community, however, it is the pledge of this nation to change that. We will bring peace, stability, and progress to Africa, however, our approach will not be like one that we have undertaken in the past. We will not impost a democratic government on the nations within Africa. Instead, we will help to establish a government that the PEOPLE want, whether it be communist, democratic, monarcaic, etc. The people will decide what is best for them. In addition to this nation building role, Credonia will provide humanitarian assistance to nations who need it, such as Nigeria, Cameroon, Guinea-Bissau, Algeria, Somalia, South Africa, etc.

Credonia recognizes the risks involved in undertaking such an endeavour, but we are devoted and dedicated to the task and cause of progressing these nations, and ending the years of civil war that will only end with outside intervention fighting on the side of the people."

The Prime Minister of Mattikistan lauds Credonia for their honourable efforts in bringing peace and what we consider to be basic human rights such as food and medicine to Africa. We shall contribute whatever resources we can afford.

The Prime Minister of Mattikistan lauds Credonia for their honourable efforts in bringing peace and what we consider to be basic human rights such as food and medicine to Africa. We shall contribute whatever resources we can afford.

ditto!

You do realise that many of Africa's problems are caused by corrupt governments who take out huge loans and embezzel huge amounts of money. I do not believe that the problem has such an easy solution. However, I do applaud your efforts.

Your right, and we do know this, which is why we will work with the people so they can establish their own governments. The task at hand will not be easy to accomplish, and our first efforts may be fruitless at first, but I can promise the people of Africa and the world, that Credonia will being peace to this region of the world and do it in such a manner that EVERYONE can benefit ie. new governments, mutual trade benefits, jobs, and the list goes on and on.

It is a shame Africa is still in a state of total chaos. Too bad we cannot send any men to the hotspots. We will try to send medical aid and other necessary stuff.

BUMP

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Meh, I'm lazy so I'm not switching nations.


Doujin condemns Credonia's act of warmongering. Their 'Sutton Doctrine' clearly shows intent to invade nations to do what the so called, 'people', want. You here by are CONDEMNED. Weee.

Like we told you earlier.. all nations, no matter how strong, would find such a task daunting. How Credonia agreed to undertake this noble mission is still beyond us. This mission will require huge funding, resources, and will make military commanders, politicians, and citizens weary.

But we laud Credonia: its government, armed forces, and people for undertaking this noble mission. Like The Dominion told you earlier.. We're only a few miles away from the Black Continent. If you need any help, just holler.. our armed forces and resources are at your command.

We would also like you to outline your strategy for attempting such a mission, hopefully allies can give you advice and express their willingness to join this noble crusade to better African life.

President Ahmed Byranshty
The Dominion of Greenmanbry

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=155192

We applaud the principles of the Sutton Doctrine would welcome Credonian assistance in the emergance of our new nation state.

Such a task on such a contenent will be near impossible.
notice, i dont say impossible, just it will take a long time, you need to get togather all the resources, and then you need to transport them, past seas,deserts and hostile groups. we wish Credonia luck in this endevour, espically to try to get some stable governments in Africa, if we can help, just let us know and we will try.

it wont work.
1) Because the fighting in most areas has been going for so long that it has degenerated down into blood feuds and the only way to stop those is to wipe out one of the opposing forces. But once you do that a new group will spring up and force a coup.

2) The aid programs you mention do more harm than good. Like Praetonia said the governments are corrupt and will use the money you send them to arm themselves and prolong the conflicts.

3) Your idea about giving the country the government that the people want is a real bad idea since that’s the whole reason civil wars break out. and even if you do get the people to chose on the government then there will be armed factions that wont be happy and we come back to our old friend mr coup.

I'm not saying its a bad idea it would be good but seriously the best way to help these people is to let them be and sort out there own problems. Maybe help the people in need but stay out of governmental affairs as that only causes problems.

Meh, I'm lazy so I'm not switching nations.


Doujin condemns Credonia's act of warmongering. Their 'Sutton Doctrine' clearly shows intent to invade nations to do what the so called, 'people', want. You here by are CONDEMNED. Weee.


Doujin- If i watned war with someone, id pick on someone who would present a better chance of fighing a good war then some shit hole nation where the people are fighting themselves. My intention to go into Africa is to TRY to bring peace to the region because, dammit, it just needs it. Shame on the civilized world for not doing more to try to help, and im not just alking about on NS. Im talking about in the real world. My intentions are derived from my own personal stance on Africa, so if you want to call it warmongering, go right ahead, but quite. frankly, you dont know WHAT i had in mind or even if i would use armed conflict to bring about peace before diplomacy, so id advise you to keep your damn mouth shut for once in your life. Keep your nose out of Credonia's business.

Greenmanbry- As was stated, Credonia recognizes the potential risks involved in getting diplomatically and militarily involved with this region, but to do nothing would be to fail what we believe in, what nations all across the world fought to keep and preserve (their ideals, way of life, and government). It would be hypocritical to not do anything. As was stated in the doctrine, Credonia is dedicated to the cause of trying to bring peace and stability to the African region, and we will do all we can to try to help these people.

Our plan and strategy dealing with undertaking this mission will be explained in the coming hours. However, what I can say is that, I believe the best course of action will be to target the worst areas of Africa where there are civil wars and try to bring an end to them so that some level of stability can come to the region, and then use the nations of Africa to come up with a ay to solve their problems. It will take a LONG time, but we believe it CAN work if we remain dedicated and focused on the goal and cause of our mission.

United West Africa- We look forward to working with your nation in the future to help with our mission and once again, bring peace, harmony, and stability to a currently, very unstable region of the world.

Kihameria- Thank you and we may be calling on you in the future as we will need all of the international assistance that we can muster up.

Mental Lands- You dont know if it will work or not. Lets try to stay optomistic about this. Doubting good intentions will only bring about failure and its bad for moral which also contributes to failure. On the issue of corrupt governments, it is Credonia intention to crush those governments and establish just, fair governments that are chosen by the people.

Secondly, there are ways to work around problems created by factions being unhappy. Thats why we said we are willing to help the people install a government thta is most beneficial to them, whether it be oligarchic, democracit, communistic, etc. Credonia and its people believe that it will work. EVERYTHING has a sound and peaceful resolution.

(OOC: Now, Credonia, Doujin's comments are thoroughly justified by your previous actions. You have moved military forces into several conflicts that you had no business in...

And Credonia, if you want to actually look nice, don't send any troops into Africa, send only supplies, equipment, and construction teams... You'll gain a lot more friends that way than by trying to do what Bush is trying to do in Afghanistan and Iraq.

That's my two cents worth of advice...)

IC:

In the meantime, 5CN applauds this "Sutton Doctrine" and will work in tandem with Credonia in providing all the supplies, equipment, and personnel necessary for the stabilization of Africa.

We will support these efforts to stabilize africa in any way we can.

The ANL wishes Credonia the best of luck with it's good persuits. If your intentions are true (which they seems to be), you will be doing a good service for humanity and the African people. If you do not mind, we would like to observe the process not to be a watchdog, but rather just to see how things are going.

OOC: FCN, if you are reffering to the Dr_Twist conflict, once again, i was asked to enter by Dr_Twist as he wanted to turn to democracy, but he knew the RBA wouldnt allow that, so he asked me and a couple large nations to enter and send in forces. If you are also reffering to SOmalia, thta was an experiment to see if indeed peace can come to one of the worst nations in Africa, and if i recall, that effort was successful

IC: LRR thank you for your support, ANL, observers will be welcome, however, make a note that Credonias efforts and actions will under any circumstances be unilateral as we cannot undertake this by ourselves.

The Triumviate is of the opinion that if each African nation were armed with 100 Short Range Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles, there would be no civil wars, due to the distinctly human desire to live. Similarly, dictators would not rise to power for fear of nuclear annihilation.

Sacqu applauds the effort and sends $500,000.

President Valentor
Sacqu

thats how a civilized person would act. Remember, they play by completely different rules over there, i dont think they would care much

Tyrandis, if each nation if Africa had 100 short ranged ICBM's you would have half the Africa there is today, some of the nations are moselm, and would wage a jihad just to destroy their enemies, so stratageys should change from province to province.

To put it more bluntly, Africa would be a nuclear wasteland...

To put it more bluntly, Africa would be a nuclear wasteland...

Whittier fully supports Credonia's Doctrine of civilizing Africa.
We committ 20 billion dollars in aid to their efforts to bring stability to Africa.
Further, if Credonia needs it, we are willing to commit troops to help them.

Whittier fully supports Credonia's Doctrine of civilizing Africa.
We committ 20 billion dollars in aid to their efforts to bring stability to Africa.
Further, if Credonia needs it, we are willing to commit troops to help them.


Wow, thats a shocking statement considering our nations stances in the DT war. Your support is deeply appreciated and we will be inviting you to be one of the major nations to assist in this major humanitarian campaign in the coming hours. (A main group of major nations will be assembled to create and assess a strategy for taking care of Africa)

"His Imperial Majesty's Government applauds Credonia for this worthwhile effort.

We do however advise a great deal of caution be exercised, for no matter how Credonia presents this humanitarian effort, there are those who shall persist in seeing it as nothing more than blatant imperialism.

This effort on the part of Credonia will mark it as a nation which stands for what is good in the world; even if they are unsucessful, at least they have tried.

We wish them the best of luck."

-Reuters

Whittier fully supports Credonia's Doctrine of civilizing Africa.
We committ 20 billion dollars in aid to their efforts to bring stability to Africa.
Further, if Credonia needs it, we are willing to commit troops to help them.


Wow, thats a shocking statement considering our nations stances in the DT war. Your support is deeply appreciated and we will be inviting you to be one of the major nations to assist in this major humanitarian campaign in the coming hours. (A main group of major nations will be assembled to create and assess a strategy for taking care of Africa)

"His Imperial Majesty's Government applauds Credonia for this worthwhile effort.

We do however advise a great deal of caution be exercised, for no matter how Credonia presents this humanitarian effort, there are those who shall persist in seeing it as nothing more than blatant imperialism.

This effort on the part of Credonia will mark it as a nation which stands for what is good in the world; even if they are unsucessful, at least they have tried.

We wish them the best of luck."

-Reuters
In response, Whittier would propose an international consortium involving all the major powers to help bringing peace, stability and economic vitality to Africa. If Credonia accepts this proposal that is.

"His Imperial Majesty's Government applauds Credonia for this worthwhile effort.

We do however advise a great deal of caution be exercised, for no matter how Credonia presents this humanitarian effort, there are those who shall persist in seeing it as nothing more than blatant imperialism.

This effort on the part of Credonia will mark it as a nation which stands for what is good in the world; even if they are unsucessful, at least they have tried.

We wish them the best of luck."

-Reuters


Credonia took that into account and quite frankly, those nations can see it however they want, Credonia could really care less. Its not about imperialism, its about helping people, and yes we will be gathering a consortium of major nations to help in this effort. That was one of Credonias ideas (just didnt announce it).

The Grand Duchy hopes that the Credonian government can acheive its lofty goals for the African Continent. The full support of this nation will be lent to the drive for African independence, sovereignity, and self determination.

BUMP

This doctrine will go into effect immediately:

"It has become apparent that the international community has turned its back to the problems on the continent of Africa. The entire region is ragaved by civil war, resulting in millions of innocent men, women, and children dead each and every year. The international community has turned its back because the resources and time nessesary to fix the problems are something that no one is willing to devote. Credonia has been exploring and experimenting with this as is evident in the Somalia conflict that has just ended not too long ago. We too have fallen victim to the same accusation that was made about the international community, however, it is the pledge of this nation to change that. We will bring peace, stability, and progress to Africa, however, our approach will not be like one that we have undertaken in the past. We will not impost a democratic government on the nations within Africa. Instead, we will help to establish a government that the PEOPLE want, whether it be communist, democratic, monarcaic, etc. The people will decide what is best for them. In addition to this nation building role, Credonia will provide humanitarian assistance to nations who need it, such as Nigeria, Cameroon, Guinea-Bissau, Algeria, Somalia, South Africa, etc.

Credonia recognizes the risks involved in undertaking such an endeavour, but we are devoted and dedicated to the task and cause of progressing these nations, and ending the years of civil war that will only end with outside intervention fighting on the side of the people."

President J.L. praises and heartily approves of the Sutton Doctrine. 25 tons of food will be shipped to each nation in Africa promptly. Water and medicine will also be sent to help relieve the suffering of these brave people.

The first trouble spot is Cameroon, which is currently being held by n international peacekeeping force, however the nation of Chellis is trying to illeglly annex it. Credonian forces have been ordered to Cameroon to assist.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3357272

(Some way to activate the doctrine, eh?)

Sutton is a fool. Africa will never fall to your imperialist ways, Credonia.

You are barred from entry in Africa.