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Whoever RPs as Spain or Morocco should read this

IDF engineers wish to buy the rights to build a bridge over the Gibraltar straights. It will be a suspension bridge costing us about $1,150 million. It will be completed with workers from Spain and Morocco. Your labor laws will be observed by the IDF engineers and supervisors. Pay will be about $47,500 a year on average for the construction workers. It will take 7 years to build the bridge. It will be 12 lanes (6 in each direction)

The IDF Bridge Corp. will run it as a toll bridge. Fees will be $10 for a car, $5 for a motorcycle, $50 for a tractor-trailor, and $30 for RVs and small trucks. We will take all legal responsibility and maintenance for the bridge. We will also handle security

Both your nations can benefit from this. Trade across all of Europe and Africa will increase. We are willing to pay for the construction rights.

see more information (http://idol.union.edu/~ferrerf/project/text.htm)

http://idol.union.edu/~ferrerf/project/image011.jpg

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OOC: Vannevar Morgan strikes again...

OOC: Vannevar Morgan strikes again... :?:

Why build such a huge bridge when you can have a fleet of modern ferries? Also, how would the ocean-going vessels travel under such a bridge? The bridge itself would have to be very elevated, as suspension bridges don't have the sections that lift.

Why build such a huge bridge when you can have a fleet of modern ferries? Also, how would the ocean-going vessels travel under such a bridge? The bridge itself would have to be very elevated, as suspension bridges don't have the sections that lift.
ferries cost a **** load. They had tons of ferries for this straight and similar areas where bridges were built like Chesapeack bay, and that the bridge is more efficient.

Ferries are an inconvenience. This bridge is cheaper and can handle a larger volume and even 18 wheelers (ferries don't).

(OOC: Before I say anything in character, do you in setting up this thread already recognise some nation state as possessing or administering Gibraltar? If so, never mind, but if not, this nation is essentially the UK, and in my universe still counts Gibraltar part of its territory. I don't know if the plan for the bridge would actually involve the territory itself anyway, I suppose.)

On the contrary, bridges of this magnitude take long to build, cost a huge amount of money, and are less efficient. You have answered the question about the shipping.

On the contrary, bridges of this magnitude take long to build, cost a huge amount of money, and are less efficient. You have answered the question about the shipping.

It is more efficient over a few decades versus the ferries. 18 wheelers can't use them. This will increase tourism and stop usurous ferry prices and rip-offs.

This bridge ought not interfere with land, but it would be proper to get the nation's to give me a green light. I haven't identified them yet and if it is your nation then you can give me the approval

On the contrary, bridges of this magnitude take long to build, cost a huge amount of money, and are less efficient. You have answered the question about the shipping.

It is more efficient over a few decades versus the ferries. 18 wheelers can't use them. This will increase tourism and stop usurous ferry prices and rip-offs.

This bridge ought not interfere with land, but it would be proper to get the nation's to give me a green light. I haven't identified them yet and if it is your nation then you can give me the approval

OOC: Matich owns Spain and Morocco

i will tg him

[OOC: I think it wont be less cost effective, time may be an issue, but I feel it would help commerce and such]

IC:

"The Allied Confederated States unanamously support the actions to create a Gibraltor-Morroco bridge to connect Europe and Africa by a much short route that could help unite the two regions and help lower costs of transporting goods, as well as raise a bit of revenue after a while.

We therefore petition the governments (OOC:the various nations that control the two) of the two states to unite and create a bridge of freedom and unity across the Strait of Gibraltor. If any funding is neccesary, we would happily contribute."

John Francis
Ambassador

$1.15 billion is a VERY optimistic estimate for the construction costs, meaning impossible. The longest suspension bridge in the RL world, Akashi Kaikyo Bridge in Japan, is 12,828 feet in length (about 2 miles) and cost around $4.3 billion. The Gibraltar Strait is 8 miles wide at its narrowest point, meaning this bridge would 4 times was long, which in turn drives up the cost. So the final price tag would be more like $17.5 billion, $20 billion to be safe.

$1.15 billion is a VERY optimistic estimate for the construction costs, meaning impossible. The longest suspension bridge in the RL world, Akashi Kaikyo Bridge in Japan, is 12,828 feet in length (about 2 miles) and cost around $4.3 billion. The Gibraltar Strait is 8 miles wide at its narrowest point, meaning this bridge would 4 times was long, which in turn drives up the cost. So the final price tag would be more like $17.5 billion, $20 billion to be safe.

The Macinac Straights Bridge is over5 miles long, not all of it is suspension, just the middle 2 miles is suspension (where ships pass through) I may do that actually. It is feasible. If people don't dream and follow through these big endeveors the rest of you would be in the stone age. The bridge will be built.

I will not listen to the critics here. I hope everyone thanks me for openning the gateway to prosperity once this is finished.

while the UKN Transport Depatment is skeptical about the Bridge, it is willing to Finance it as long as it can be assured that the Bridge is Completly Safe.

ooc: 4 miles! that is nothing! the 8 mile Confedration Bridge in canada cost 1 billion dollars, FYI.

This is a 9 mile long bridge proposed

This is a 9 mile long bridge proposed

ah.

I'm talking about the longest SUSPENSION bridge. If you choose to build the bridge, fine, I was just trying to be helpful.

After careful consideration and consultation with other nations I have decided not to allow this project to happen. Thank you and have a nice day.


King John II

After careful consideration and consultation with other nations I have decided not to allow this project to happen. Thank you and have a nice day.


King John II
may I inquire as to why not? This decision will hamper your development.

After careful consideration and consultation with other nations I have decided not to allow this project to happen. Thank you and have a nice day.


King John II
may I inquire as to why not? This decision will hamper your development.


1. I do not know you enough to trust you.

2. One of my best allies has asked me not to.

After careful consideration and consultation with other nations I have decided not to allow this project to happen. Thank you and have a nice day.


King John II
may I inquire as to why not? This decision will hamper your development.


1. I do not know you enough to trust you.

2. One of my best allies has asked me not to.

who would that ally be? You can ask around, I never betrayed a nation once in my whole existance nor have I ever been an aggresor in a war. Ask Whittier, the most respected person here.

OOC: OKay read this http://www.confederationbridge.com/bridge/faqs.aspx?pageid=5&lang=en

Canada has massive, non-suspension, bridge over a 13Km stretch of ocean. IT cost less than what your propsing and is generally considered a good idea. Yes big rigs can go on ferries, otherwise there is a province in Canada, NFLD, which cannot trade with it's neighbours. Before you state otherwise big rigs with NFLD licences drive by my house,.. alot.

sorry I'm tired and I know that was curt.

After careful consideration and consultation with other nations I have decided not to allow this project to happen. Thank you and have a nice day.


King John II
may I inquire as to why not? This decision will hamper your development.


1. I do not know you enough to trust you.

2. One of my best allies has asked me not to.

who would that ally be? You can ask around, I never betrayed a nation once in my whole existance nor have I ever been an aggresor in a war. Ask Whittier, the most respected person here.

Well why exactly would you build a bridge and then hand it over to me so that I can make all the profits?

Oh and Im not mentioning names.

you misunderstand me. I run the bridge, make the profit from operating it and take maintenance costs.

You make profits as it creates jobs, tax revenue, and generally improves your economy through increases in trade.

you misunderstand me. I run the bridge, make the profit from operating it and take maintenance costs.

You make profits as it creates jobs, tax revenue, and generally improves your economy through increases in trade.


OOC: Sorry about that got confused with another offer.

Official response from King John:

Hell no.

King John II