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Due to the unjustified attacks on AMF controlled Greece ith VX nerve gas (which was done intentionally to draw us into the situation in Europe to fight the communists), I am making the following demands of Dr_Twist:

The Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek hereby demands that the Dr_Twist immediately and without pause does henceforth follow the regulations set out in this statement:

1. DT will, without undue expanse of time between acceptance and enactment, follow the letter and wording of these demands to the letter.
2. DT will, within the bounds of reasonability, reduce its armed forces to a size approximately 5% of its current armed forces size.
3. DT will, within the bounds of reasonability, provide all and any evidence within its possession that supports/damages the building case against that nation for undue and erroneous global activities/crimes against Automagfreek (and Greek) citizens/use of WMD. Failure to comply will result in the information being extracted by AMF forces.
4. DT will swear fealty to The Destroyer.
5. DT will make no effort to resist should the Empire feel it necessary to occupy that nation. Should resistance occur, the Empire will use any means necessary to end the rebellion.
6. DT is henceforth considered a vassal territory aligned with the Excessively Armed Empire.


You have 72 hours to comply. Any and all nations intercepting this message are urged not to interfere. Dr_Twist has shown that they are too incompetent to possess weapons of mass destruction, and we will make sure that they never use them on AMF territory (or anyone else's for that matter) ever again.


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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

Bump

ooc: ehhh?

meh just leave it for now AMF, go slaughter some n00bs or something, leave this to people who use diplomacy in DT this time ok?

we are busily arranging DT to be hacked up, so meh.

ooc: ehhh?

meh just leave it for now AMF, go slaughter some n00bs or something, leave this to people who use diplomacy in DT this time ok?

we are busily arranging DT to be hacked up, so meh.

OOC: I am using diplomacy. And what makes you think I am only fit to beat on n00bs?

Having heard of AMF's stringent demands on Dr_Twist, West Scotland would like to comment on the sheer impossibility of any nation accepting those terms. We would like to say that your diplomacy is more aggressive than Microsoft turning around to an aspiring OS competitor and knocking them flat.

In addition, West Scotland would like to voice its full support for the aforementioned 'stringent demands.' We would as well aid you if you required, but we are involved in a civil war of sorts.

My security officers are informing me me I must be hustled off to an undisclosed location, as half the building I am currently in has just been decimated. Well...we bid you good luck, at any rate.

-Nathan West
Interim President of West Scotland

Communist Poland, AMF could unblinkingly decimate your nation with both hands tied behind is back, and with you armed and armoured to the teeth.

tag

Im not sure what the implications are but im assuming if DR Twist doesnt behave itself it will be given the choice of bewing eradicated by AMF and its allies/protected nations (Puppets tht were given to AMF) or taken over.

I dont know how big Twist's armed forces are or if making it do this is fair, but a country must defend itself, especially a big omne like AMF or it will be taken apart by competitors at the first sign of weakeness (top dog and all that)

Having heard of AMF's stringent demands on Dr_Twist, West Scotland would like to comment on the sheer impossibility of any nation accepting those terms. We would like to say that your diplomacy is more aggressive than Microsoft turning around to an aspiring OS competitor and knocking them flat.

In addition, West Scotland would like to voice its full support for the aforementioned 'stringent demands.' We would as well aid you if you required, but we are involved in a civil war of sorts.

My security officers are informing me me I must be hustled off to an undisclosed location, as half the building I am currently in has just been decimated. Well...we bid you good luck, at any rate.

-Nathan West
Interim President of West Scotland

Communist Poland, AMF could unblinkingly decimate your nation with both hands tied behind is back, and with you armed and armoured to the teeth.


You say these terms are unacceptable? You know what I find unacceptable? Hundreds of thousands of Greeks dead from VX gas. You know what I find unacceptable? Dr_Twist using us for thier personal agenda at the expense of innocent people. AMF and it's territories declared neutrality,. and yet DT struck us. They are a threat and need to be strictly delt with.


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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

Im not sure what the implications are but im assuming if DR Twist doesnt behave itself it will be given the choice of bewing eradicated by AMF and its allies/protected nations (Puppets tht were given to AMF) or taken over.

I dont know how big Twist's armed forces are or if making it do this is fair, but a country must defend itself, especially a big one like AMF or it will be taken apart by competitors at the first sign of weakeness (top dog and all that)

Having heard of AMF's stringent demands on Dr_Twist, West Scotland would like to comment on the sheer impossibility of any nation accepting those terms. We would like to say that your diplomacy is more aggressive than Microsoft turning around to an aspiring OS competitor and knocking them flat.

In addition, West Scotland would like to voice its full support for the aforementioned 'stringent demands.' We would as well aid you if you required, but we are involved in a civil war of sorts.

My security officers are informing me me I must be hustled off to an undisclosed location, as half the building I am currently in has just been decimated. Well...we bid you good luck, at any rate.

-Nathan West
Interim President of West Scotland

Communist Poland, AMF could unblinkingly decimate your nation with both hands tied behind is back, and with you armed and armoured to the teeth.


You say these terms are unacceptable? Yoyu know what I find unacceptable? Hundreds of thousands of Greeks dead from VX gas. You know what I find unacceptable? Dr_Twist using us for thier personal agenda at the expense of innocent people. AMF and it's territories declared neutrality,. and yet DT struck us. They are a threat and need to be strictly delt with.


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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

Heh...I was kidding ;) I'm just saying that even if he faces imminent destruction, I don't think any player on NS would like to disband most of their military...

I know that you find the chemical warfare unacceptable; so do I, and that is why I support your terms.

[i]You say these terms are unacceptable? Yoyu know what I find unacceptable? Hundreds of thousands of Greeks dead from VX gas.






Occ- Yeah, but if he only killed a few hundred thousand, there are millions more Greeks where they came from. If you don't like VX gas, would you have preferred he used Soman or Sarin? Perhaps Mustard

Occ still- Besides according to one of CM's top generls, General Francisco "Chemical" Salazar, chemical warfare is not only legitimate, but it is a necessity.

I was just kidding with the above stuff, but I think that the reductions you're making him do are jusy way too much, but then again, it's not my call to make.

Bump

AMF this demands will never be met and you know this. If you want to take it out on someone take it out on the communists. They are the ones that supported this idiot. If they wouldnt have supported himthe allied forces would have killed him a long time ago and you would never have been nuked.


OOC: You cant blame the current DT Government because it wasnt them. And you cant say that DT did it to get you into the war because you only know that OOC. As far as we know IC General Franklin just wanted to nuke you because he hates you.

AMF this demands will never be met and you know this. If you want to take it out on someone take it out on the communists. They are the ones that supported this idiot. If they wouldnt have supported himthe allied forces would have killed him a long time ago and you would never have been nuked.


OOC: You cant blame the current DT Government because it wasnt them. And you cant say that DT did it to get you into the war because you only know that OOC. As far as we know IC General Franklin just wanted to nuke you because he hates you.

AMF this demands will never be met and you know this. If you want to take it out on someone take it out on the communists. They are the ones that supported this idiot. If they wouldnt have supported himthe allied forces would have killed him a long time ago and you would never have been nuked.


OOC: You cant blame the current DT Government because it wasnt them. And you cant say that DT did it to get you into the war because you only know that OOC. As far as we know IC General Franklin just wanted to nuke you because he hates you.

As far as we know IC General Franklin just wanted to nuke you because he hates you.

OOC: Isn't that reason enough? ICly, here's what I know:

A person from DT shelled Greece with WMD.

That person was later killed to please AMF.

Now, I keep getting conflicting reports. Some say that the DT government did it and blamed it on the commies so that I'd fight them. Some say the commies did it so I'd fight DT. I want a straight and detailed explanation, NOW.

As far as I know, Franklin decided, for reasons best known to himself, to launch a chemical attack upon AMF. This is from the reports we have received. The coalition then decided that evidently Franklin was either very stupid or stark raving mad, and thus had him excecuted. The proposal for peace is that D-T be partitioned; this may be permanent of temporary, I simply don't know. What I do know is that matich is incorrect; Franklin had no support from us in the chemical attack upon Greece.

dp

As far as I know, Franklin decided, for reasons best known to himself, to launch a chemical attack upon AMF. This is from the reports we have received. The coalition then decided that evidently Franklin was either very stupid or stark raving mad, and thus had him excecuted. The proposal for peace is that D-T be partitioned; this may be permanent of temporary, I simply don't know. What I do know is that matich is incorrect; Franklin had no support from us in the chemical attack upon Greece.

OOC: Alright, but ICly all Damien knows is that those shells came from Dr_Twist.

People reading this thread need to realize that.

That was an IC post. Sorry, didn't make that clear. I'll edit it now.

OOC: Alright, but I don't think it would change Damien's mind.

Lord Damien of the Noble people of Automagfreek-

We wholeheartedly support your effort to remove WMDs from the nation of Dr. Twist. His flippant and utterly insane use of WMDs on a neutral nation has proven himself to be unable of handling these devices.

Lord Damien of the Noble people of Automagfreek-

We wholeheartedly support your effort to remove WMDs from the nation of Dr. Twist. His flippant and utterly insane use of WMDs on a neutral nation has proven himself to be unable of handling these devices.

We are glad to see that we are not the only nation that views Dr_Twist as a threat. We made is painfully clear that we (and our territories) wished to remain neutral, but sadly it was not meant to be. It is a shame that Automagfreek will never be able to rest.


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The One Who Shall Remain Unnamed
-Lord of the Death Dealers-
Servant of the Dread Fires

The final moments from the latest press conference with Lord General deGritz, leader of Iuthia.

"...and concidering the reports coming in from our contacts in Zvarinograd we feel that the usage of Black Vipers in this repect required to assure the Iuthian public that such weapons will be destroyed utterly to prevent such a horrific event occuring every again. Thanks, next question."

One of the INN reports now raises his hand signalling that he too has a question, the room is filled with reporters both from Iuthia and neighboring countries within the Urbanites due to the concerns raised by chemical weapons being used in Zvarinograd against their legitimate government.

James then nods and points to the man holding his hand up patiently. "Last question please."

"Lord General deGritz, what is the your position on the recent demands made by Automagfreek's Damien Dreadfire?" The mans question came out clearly, however James didn't respond straight away.

"After reading what little I could into the situation in that part of the world I feel it's important to note that I would like Iuthia to stay away from the Communist's issues at this time as they have no repurcussions on Iuthia at this time.

"However, concerning the demands made by the nation Automagfreek I am concerned that they are asking to much of a nation which simply doesn't care about it's military overspending... however I do not object to the reaction by Lord Dreadfire, it's clear that their nation has been viciously attacked by Dr_Twist in one way or another and this is there way of securing their nations territory from other such attrocities.

"My only hope is that either Dr_Twist makes amends for their terrible crimes against Automagfreek or that Lord Dreafire shows mercy and gives them some leighway... neither are likely to happen concidering both nations and no doubt the Communists will scream and cry about such demands... though they shouldn't forget that the crime against Automagfreek is simply too great to ignore and they will have to accept that in some way Dr_Twist has to make amends for their crimes.

I do not feel that it is Automagfreek that is failing diplomacy, for they are reacting as many nations would. It is infact those nations who fail to realise that Dr_Twist has to atone for their actions.

"Therefor I morally support Automagfreek's demands, while they are harsh and while they are in some respects, unreasonable, we feel that the price for using terrible WMD should be so high. Thanks, this press conference is now closed."

With that last statement, Lord General deGritz, now in his late fourties, left the conference room to a gossiping press. The message would be viewed across the world in the homes and offices of those who cared... perhaps only a few watched his speach but never the less it was said.

Lord General James deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people and benevolent dictator supported Automagfreek, not with military, not with additional funds... but on a moral principal that he and his nation despised WMD and all who would use them against civilian targets.

Today in response to threats against an ally, Secretary General Brezhnekov ordered the deployment of 120 million troops to the nation of Dr. Twist to defend against an AMF invasion.
It is said that the military also preparing dispatch planes, ships, tanks and tactical missiles to the region as well.
Whittier states its opposition to imperialist aggression by AMF.
The Secretary General also invoked the Whittier Pact, calling on members to come to the defense of a major ally.
This is the largest troop buildup by Whittier since the RussianForces/OusotoranHungarian war of February 2003.

Being a member of the Whittier pact I must send aid here to other pact nations.

OOC: "Secretary General Brezhnekov ordered the deployment of 120 million troops"

*Snickers*

Whoa... easy boy, don't you think thats a little much... afterall I don't think most nations (including most 2 billion+ nations) have that many troops. Hell, I don't think even Russian Forces has that many troops.

Actually, never mind... I would personally ignore the hell out of it.

Whittier states its opposition to imperialist aggression by AMF.


And you support nerve gas on innocent people? You must if you defend Dr_Twist. Death by the sword or the gun is war, death by VX gas is cowardly. Automagfreek denounces Whittier with the strongest words possible and has severed all ties with them.

You are a coward son of a bitch for supporting Dr_Twist, the nation that shelled Greek civilians with nerve gas. The Dread Fires will not show you any mercy should you think of standing in my way. Your pathetic "Whittier Pact" is no match for the likes of The ministry and APTO. Do not make me call in my allies, as I promise you it will be the end for you.

You disgust me, stay out of my way.



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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

You have threatened a communist nation with invasion.
You have not attempted to resolve the issue through diplomatic means hence, I must oppose your threatened actions.

You have threatened a communist nation with invasion.
You have not attempted to resolve the issue through diplomatic means hence, I must oppose your threatened actions.

AMF, the Whittier pact may be the only group that can stop you. I don't want it to come to war though, lets go diplomatic for a while longer

You have threatened a communist nation with invasion.
You have not attempted to resolve the issue through diplomatic means hence, I must oppose your threatened actions.

You should be thankful that I am giving Twist this chance. Under normal circumstances I would have promptly invaded and destroyed DT, but due to our past I have given him the chance to peacefully pay for his crimes.

You are meddling in affairs that do not concern you, and your damn Whittier Pact is signing it's own death warrant.


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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

AMF, the Whittier pact may be the only group that can stop you. I don't want it to come to war though, lets go diplomatic for a while longer

The Ministry and APTO can overcome your pathetic Whittier Pact. Stay out of my affairs, they do not concern you.

You people are testing my patience.

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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

As a member of Whittier Pact, Knights will defend Dr_Twist's land with 600,000 troops with the 120 million soldiers Whittier sent.


Armed Knights Republic
President Ms. Rachel Rain
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As a member of Whittier Pact, Knights will defend Dr_Twist's land with 600,000 troops with the 120 million soldiers Whittier sent.


Armed Knights Republic
President Ms. Rachel Rain
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OOC: I'm reporting you to the mods. I had SLAG warn you but you refuse to leave me alone.

You have threatened a communist nation with invasion.
You have not attempted to resolve the issue through diplomatic means hence, I must oppose your threatened actions.

You should be thankful that I am giving Twist this chance. Under normal circumstances I would have promptly invaded and destroyed DT, but due to our past I have given him the chance to peacefully pay for his crimes.

You are meddling in affairs that do not concern you, and your damn Whittier Pact is signing it's own death warrant.


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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
You're unilateralism is going to end harming your nation. If you want Twist to pay compensation you ought to appeal to the world community for consensus.
If you attack unilaterally, I will oppose you with multilateralism.

OOC: Whittier has a point...A very good point...

My nation is just observing this situation progress...

once the fighting begins we will be sending humanitarian aid to any peoples in need of it...regardless of side...

You're unilateralism is going to end harming your nation. If you want Twist to pay compensation you ought to appeal to the world community for consensus.
If you attack unilaterally, I will oppose you with multilateralism.

OooOOOooOooo....I can use fancy words too....Cease and Desist. The slaughter of Greek civilians by VX nerve gas is unacceptable and by supporting Dr_Twist you stand for everything that is wrong and evil in this world. Automagfreek is not the bad guy, it is people like you and Twist.

You throwing your "Whittier Pact" in my face tells me only one thing.....you are frightened. I can smell your fear.


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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

It would appear AMF is in the right and I strongly disagree with the use of WMDs, but without furthur evidence, Sacqu will not take sides. Sacqu does however send medical personnel totaling the following:
2000 Aids & Nurses
200 Doctors
20 Ambulances
5 Mobile Hospitals

President Valentor
Sacqu

OOC: Agreed, although never had a quarel with you (not that stupid) such power should be spread out in my RL opinion.

IC:

The Mikosolf Corperation watches in stanch horror as transmissions flicker back and forth between these two superpowers.

The Chairman cries out over the intercom, “Johnson!”

“Yes, Ma’am?”

“Are we doing anything about this possible conflict yet?” She barks back.

“Why um… no, its just started…”

“That’s no excuse, get some product out there NOW!”
_____________________________________________

Mikosolf is proud to present their new line of products;

The, “I watched to superpowers duke it out, and all I got was the irradiated T-Shirt”

The, “No world wars for (scratch out number) 0 days.” Coffee mug.

More to come if the conflict actually arises!

We would also extent our services in productional way (be it arms, munitions etc) to any and all belligerents .

((OOC PS: Sorry, can't resist :D ))

West Scotland will spare what personell it can to Greece to help AMF citizens in their time of need. There can never be too much aid in times like these...

We question why the Whittier Pact supports Dr. Twist, when undoubtedly the evidence is against this nation. Would you unquestionably support your members, even if they have done flat-out wrong acts of aggression?

ARMY:
Light Infantry: 500,000 men in 40 divisions (12,500 men in each). 20 are regular army class A and 20 are reserve class B and C. Each division has 100 M-2 Bradley Infantry Fighting vehicles and 500 HMMVWs (Humvees).

Cavalry: 3,500 M1A1 Abrams, 1,500 M1A2 Abrams (main army)
4,000 M60A3 (reserve)

Artillary: 750 Crusader pieces; 1,500 155mm towed howitzers; 250 paladans

AA: (put along border and near key sites)
125 Patriot PAC Ivs (range 105.5 miles)
150 MIM-23 Hawk Missile Systems (range 50 miles)
100 Theater High-Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) (range 145 miles)

250 Medium Extended Air Defense System (MEADS) put with ground forces (range 9.8 miles)
650 LAV-AD (put with ground forces) launches stingers
350 M6 Linebackers (with ground forces)

AF: (out of IDF bases and Dr. Twist)
450 F-22A Raptor
850 F-35 JSF
450 F-15C
535 F-15E
925 F-16C
125 F-4G Phantom II Wild Weasel
344 F-14D
426 F/A-18C
238 F/A-18E
650 F-16A (reserve)
340 F-14A (reserve)
545 F-15A (reserve)
250 F/A-18A (reserve)
450 F-4G (reserve)
174 F-111

BOMBER
56 B-2A
112 B-1B
108 B-52H
26 B-52G (reserve)

CARGO
92 C-141
104 C-130
75 C-5A
76 C-17 Globemaster III
29 747-400 (reserve, taken out of civilian airfleets)

HELO/ROTARY:
848 AH-64D Apache Longbow
435 AH-64B (reserve)
467 RAH-66 Comanche
144 CH-47 Chinook (reserve)
348 CH-60 Blackhawk
212 UH-60 Nighthawk
186 CH-53 Pave Low III

NAVY COMING SOON

West Scotland will spare what personell it can to Greece to help AMF citizens in their time of need. There can never be too much aid in times like these...

We question why the Whittier Pact supports Dr. Twist, when undoubtedly the evidence is against this nation. Would you unquestionably support your members, even if they have done flat-out wrong acts of aggression?

OOC: Sorry AMF and NS Mods.

IC:

Why, you ask? Why did AMF invade Twist?


OOC: Again sorry to bother.

You're unilateralism is going to end harming your nation. If you want Twist to pay compensation you ought to appeal to the world community for consensus.
If you attack unilaterally, I will oppose you with multilateralism.

OooOOOooOooo....I can use fancy words too....Cease and Desist. The slaughter of Greek civilians by VX nerve gas is unacceptable and by supporting Dr_Twist you stand for everything that is wrong and evil in this world. Automagfreek is not the bad guy, it is people like you and Twist.

You throwing your "Whittier Pact" in my face tells me only one thing.....you are frightened. I can smell your fear.


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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-
I need a link if you are going to prove your accusations.

IC: Whittier believes in a world based on laws not a world based on vigilantism.
If Twist is guilty let the world impose economic sanctions and diplomatic isolation to force DT pay compensation. We cannot allow the destruction of a fellow communist government and strategic ally.
If you have a case, then prove it before the world community. But if you act unilaterally, I will defend DT.

West Scotland will spare what personell it can to Greece to help AMF citizens in their time of need. There can never be too much aid in times like these...

We question why the Whittier Pact supports Dr. Twist, when undoubtedly the evidence is against this nation. Would you unquestionably support your members, even if they have done flat-out wrong acts of aggression?

These accusations have not been proven. Whittier is aware of no use of WMD's by DT against AMF. AMF has yet to prove his case.
Even if he did, he has no right to engage in mass genocide. Two rights do not a right make. If you can prove that DT was the aggressor and did use WMD's against civilians or against AMF forces for no just reason, I will back down on the condition that no genocide takes place and the DT government remains in communist hands.

Whittier will also send humanitarian aid to Greece should AMF accept such aid.

Damien let loose a bellowing laugh, running his giant mit across his face. He shook his head slightly with a grin across his face.

Your military is laughable, your little stats do not intimidate me. The Sentinels lust and burn for the taste of warm blood yet again, and the Death Dealers fester and wait in the darkness, ready to strike. The flame burns ever bright as the mighty legions of Automagfreek are put on their highest alert. Even now as I speak the skies begin to darken, and the sun falls through the clouds. I'm sure you can feel the shift in the air as the sounds of nature grow silent. The Gods demand blood, and their cup will overflow with it. Your souls will soon be encapsulated in a cold tomb for all of time.

I can smell your fear, but worry not....The Destroyer cometh, and The Destroyer taketh.

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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

West Scotland will spare what personell it can to Greece to help AMF citizens in their time of need. There can never be too much aid in times like these...

We question why the Whittier Pact supports Dr. Twist, when undoubtedly the evidence is against this nation. Would you unquestionably support your members, even if they have done flat-out wrong acts of aggression?

These accusations have not been proven. Whittier is aware of no use of WMD's by DT against AMF. AMF has yet to prove his case.
Even if he did, he has no right to engage in mass genocide. Two rights do not a right make. If you can prove that DT was the aggressor and did use WMD's against civilians or against AMF forces for no just reason, I will back down on the condition that no genocide takes place and the DT government remains in communist hands.

Whittier will also send humanitarian aid to Greece should AMF accept such aid.

The Federation of Tango Urilla will send 5 mobile hospitals and enough medial personal and supplies to run these bases well. Tango Urilla also sends in 500 Armed army personal to protect the bases from any hostile attacks.

We hope to remain nutral while helping civilians.

dp

These accusations have not been proven. Whittier is aware of no use of WMD's by DT against AMF. AMF has yet to prove his case.
Even if he did, he has no right to engage in mass genocide. Two rights do not a right make. If you can prove that DT was the aggressor and did use WMD's against civilians or against AMF forces for no just reason, I will back down on the condition that no genocide takes place and the DT government remains in communist hands.

Whittier will also send humanitarian aid to Greece should AMF accept such aid.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=153007&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=360

By the time AMF forward elements knew what happened, shells came across the border from Dr_Twist. We are unsure who ordered such attacks, but if you would stop interfering in our proceedings we can get to the bottom of this.

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The One Who Shall Remain Unnamed
-Lord of the Death Dealers-
Servant of the Dread Fires

Hmm... thought some low level minion in marketing, I like that line, lets run with it.

Announcing!

The "The Destroyer cometh, and The Destroyer taketh" T-shirt.

Featuring 100% cottonnee material. The wording on a black background with red lettering. Available in all sizes, fit for any dictator wanna-be!

((OOC: God, someone smack me I can't stop! (meaning if you ask I will stop this advertising (and I think you do))))

The nation state of Sacqu hereby officially pledges alliegiance to AMF and his allies as Sacqu does not support the use of WMDs and as AMF was a neutral party. The nation state of Sacqu sends in this:
1 battle ship containing
10,000 infantry
7000 M1A2 Abrams
1 Carrier containing
300 UCAV
100 F-22s
50 B-2s (payload: 2 clusterbombs each)
ASW

Sacqu also sends in medical aid for use of by both sides including:
2000 Aids & Nurses
200 Doctors
20 Ambulances
5 Mobile Hospitals

President Valentor
Sacqu

OOC: AMF, you didn't provide any proof. Did you and DT deside to do this? Or did you just plain out want to start something? Unless you state a link to the conlfect which proves that DT did this, I don't think many will support you or DT, mainly becouse this seems to out of it, and it seems a little spammish too.

IC:
With the given information, Truitt will stand neutral untill more evidence agenst or for anyone risses.

OOC: AMF, you didn't provide any proof. Did you and DT deside to do this? Or did you just plain out want to start something? Unless you state a link to the conlfect which proves that DT did this, I don't think many will support you or DT, mainly becouse this seems to out of it, and it seems a little spammish too.

.

OOC: Read my above post. :roll:

OOC: Whoops, sorry, beocuse of the lag I tried to post it before you posted that, sorry, I'll get to reading it now.

Where ever AMF goes genocide occurs. He will kill billions for fun. WE must stand up to this

Brezhnekov news conference:
This is not about the use WMD's. Everywhere AMF goes, mass genocide takes place. AMF's record on this is clear. Whittier does not condone the use of WMD's against civilians, especially civilians in neutral nations. However, genocide is never justified. And it is in opposition to the genocidal policies of Lord Damien that our forces are deploying to Dr. Twist territory.
The death of 400 people does not justify genocide on a population of over 3 billion.
Lord Damien has a long record of genocide against many ethnic groups, destruction of religious shrines, and total irradiation of nation's territtories.
Whittier does not seek war. But while the world prefers a peaceful solution, AMF is currently preparing for war. While the world respects and enforces human rights, AMF engages in mass genocide.
We do not want war, but we will use all of our resources to stop genocide from happening.

Uh...guys? *tap tap* I do hope you realize the severe logistical problems of transporting so many forces?

Especially since IDF, I do recall you transporting these forces elsewhere shortly prior to this...that's a huge percentage of your air force...that move wouldn't be wise and it would be logistical hell. Your military would be seriously overextended.


Even if he did, he has no right to engage in mass genocide. Two rights do not a right make. If you can prove that DT was the aggressor and did use WMD's against civilians or against AMF forces for no just reason, I will back down on the condition that no genocide takes place and the DT government remains in communist hands.


IC:

There is a difference, Whittier, between Mass Genocide and removing a threatening government from power. If anything, it is the government of Dr. Twist that has been the perpetrator of mass genocide...

Why should the government that has done this not suffer its consequences? It is not a matter of you backing down...

A Few Rich People, an obscure West Scotland Corporation has filied suite against Mikolsolf as it already has a 'The Destroyer Cometh, the Destroyer Taketh' T-shirt as a promotion in a modern warfare PC game it has...sentinels of which are a part.

Brezhnekov news conference:
This is not about the use WMD's. Everywhere AMF goes, mass genocide takes place. AMF's record on this is clear. Whittier does not condone the use of WMD's against civilians, especially civilians in neutral nations. However, genocide is never justified. And it is in opposition to the genocidal policies of Lord Damien that our forces are deploying to Dr. Twist territory.
The death of 400 people does not justify genocide on a population of over 3 billion.
Lord Damien has a long record of genocide against many ethnic groups, destruction of religious shrines, and total irradiation of nation's territtories.
Whittier does not seek war. But while the world prefers a peaceful solution, AMF is currently preparing for war. While the world respects and enforces human rights, AMF engages in mass genocide.
We do not want war, but we will use all of our resources to stop genocide from happening.

This isn't about the use of WMD's??? What the hell are you smoking boy?

And where do you get the figure "400 people"? Try 400,000+, and if that isn't genocide then plese tell me what is. AMF engages in total war in our conflicts for a reason, to send a message to those who would make war on us that we will stop at nothing to achieve total victory. You'd figure after seeing millions butchered that people like you would take the hint and leave us alone, but no....Automagfreek will never be able to rest because of nations like Whittier and Dr_Twist. You are the ones that do this to us, you are the ones that poke and prod at us.

The use of WMD's against innocent Greeks is disgusting any way you look at it. AMF officially labels Whittier a terrorist state for supporting such attacks. And you claim that you want peace yet we prepare for war? Of course we are, in the face of your threats of action.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

Brezhnekov news conference:
This is not about the use WMD's. Everywhere AMF goes, mass genocide takes place. AMF's record on this is clear. Whittier does not condone the use of WMD's against civilians, especially civilians in neutral nations. However, genocide is never justified. And it is in opposition to the genocidal policies of Lord Damien that our forces are deploying to Dr. Twist territory.
The death of 400 people does not justify genocide on a population of over 3 billion.
Lord Damien has a long record of genocide against many ethnic groups, destruction of religious shrines, and total irradiation of nation's territtories.
Whittier does not seek war. But while the world prefers a peaceful solution, AMF is currently preparing for war. While the world respects and enforces human rights, AMF engages in mass genocide.
We do not want war, but we will use all of our resources to stop genocide from happening.

This isn't about the use of WMD's??? What the hell are you smoking boy?

And where do you get the figure "400 people"? Try 400,000+, and if that isn't genocide then plese tell me what is. AMF engages in total war in our conflicts for a reason, to send a message to those who would make war on us that we will stop at nothing to achieve total victory. You'd figure after seeing millions butchered that people like you would take the hint and leave us alone, but no....Automagfreek will never be able to rest because of nations like Whittier and Dr_Twist. You are the ones that do this to us, you are the ones that poke and prod at us.

The use of WMD's against innocent Greeks is disgusting any way you look at it. AMF officially labels Whittier a terrorist state for supporting such attacks. And you claim that you want peace yet we prepare for war? Of course we are, in the face of your threats of action.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

OOC:
AMF:
It seems you do have a bad history. As for the developments, I have seen that he has in fact done this.

IC:
Message to all Nations In this Conflect
By the majority vote in a council meeting, Truitt has issued its self neutral for the time being. However, becouse of Automagfreek's History, and Dr_Twist's events, we are sketched inbetween two sides.
As for the even, we belive the attacking of a nation in general is unjust, upfront force to Political Leaders are mor just, which the order was tekn through by a DT commander.
Persucution of the nation in general will cause deaths also by cizilian stands, if an invasion follows through, we although very regrettally will side with Dr_Twist for the soal purpose of political ingagments for this incident.

OOC:
I understand you guys are RPing the ame land scape and areas as the other topic? Or is it different? If not, then read the following, if you have changed, ignore the following

IC:
4th Airborne Supplie Division, Over Africa
As the squadren, of five supply aircraft and ten F/A-22 Raptor Fighters for escort, fly over the deserted African terrain, a small mass of water is seen in the far distance, the Mediterainian Sea.

OOC:
If I am very bad at spelling bare with me, the forums aren't acting so I am getting this fast.

Uh...guys? *tap tap* I do hope you realize the severe logistical problems of transporting so many forces?

Especially since IDF, I do recall you transporting these forces elsewhere shortly prior to this...that's a huge percentage of your air force...that move wouldn't be wise and it would be logistical hell. Your military would be seriously overextended.


Even if he did, he has no right to engage in mass genocide. Two rights do not a right make. If you can prove that DT was the aggressor and did use WMD's against civilians or against AMF forces for no just reason, I will back down on the condition that no genocide takes place and the DT government remains in communist hands.


IC:

There is a difference, Whittier, between Mass Genocide and removing a threatening government from power. If anything, it is the government of Dr. Twist that has been the perpetrator of mass genocide...

Why should the government that has done this not suffer its consequences? It is not a matter of you backing down...

A Few Rich People, an obscure West Scotland Corporation has filied suite against Mikolsolf as it already has a 'The Destroyer Cometh, the Destroyer Taketh' T-shirt as a promotion in a modern warfare PC game it has...sentinels of which are a part.

Uh...guys? *tap tap* I do hope you realize the severe logistical problems of transporting so many forces?

Especially since IDF, I do recall you transporting these forces elsewhere shortly prior to this...that's a huge percentage of your air force...that move wouldn't be wise and it would be logistical hell. Your military would be seriously overextended.


Even if he did, he has no right to engage in mass genocide. Two rights do not a right make. If you can prove that DT was the aggressor and did use WMD's against civilians or against AMF forces for no just reason, I will back down on the condition that no genocide takes place and the DT government remains in communist hands.


DT stretches as far as Turkey. I'm Irael, this is quick logistics for me. No problem here

IC:

There is a difference, Whittier, between Mass Genocide and removing a threatening government from power. If anything, it is the government of Dr. Twist that has been the perpetrator of mass genocide...

Why should the government that has done this not suffer its consequences? It is not a matter of you backing down...

A Few Rich People, an obscure West Scotland Corporation has filied suite against Mikolsolf as it already has a 'The Destroyer Cometh, the Destroyer Taketh' T-shirt as a promotion in a modern warfare PC game it has...sentinels of which are a part.

I'm Israel, DT is up to Turkey. It is very close for logistics and no problem

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[OOC: Unless I missed Dr_Twist completely surrendering to the might of AMF, I don't think any country in their right mind would agree to all of the demands... in particular, reducing their military by 95%.

Hell, *I'd* never agree to that and either country could turn Sarzonia into wasteland in three RL days... if it even took that long.

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I understand you guys are RPing the ame land scape and areas as the other topic? Or is it different? If not, then read the following, if you have changed, ignore the following


OOC: AMF owns Greece, but our mainland is in the mid Atlantic.

I understand you guys are RPing the ame land scape and areas as the other topic? Or is it different? If not, then read the following, if you have changed, ignore the following


OOC: AMF owns Greece, but our mainland is in the mid Atlantic.

Sarzonia maintains a position of neutrality in this conflict.

OCC: AMF i have sent you a few messages trying to contact u over the Issue but i never received a reply..... It seems to me you are just trying to ignore me so you can invade me.

For AMF, It was the Communist Government that ordered the Strikes, The Government Decided to get revenge for what anti Communist things the AMF government did world wide. With the Execution of General Franklin the Communist Government fell.

The new Government coming into Power is the Tsar which ruled Dr_Twist for a Long time and was always Pro AMF, and has always Protected AMF, But yet this Government has Received nothing in Return, If anything AMF should Help Remove these insane Communist Forces from Dr_Twist to aid the Return of the Tsar to Dr_Twist, AMF himself has always owed the Tsar a lot for what he has done, A lot of the things here were stated without even knowing what’s going on.

OCC: AMF I don't want war but some form of personal discussion between me and you needs to go ahead, as i have received a lot of backing from long time Allies and you yourself should know AMF, if u come into my Country you will be Unignoring Russian Forces and it will be open game for him and his Allies.

OOC:
Well, those supplies are to the Greek People.

As for the fighters, they are only protection.

Also, where is DT located?

Well, I've got to admit that this seems to be a complete diplomatic failure on the side of Whittier, who has not only failed to do their research on such a matter of importance, but are also mobilising troops without proper understanding of the situation.

It is claimed that they are better at diplomacy then Lord Dreadfire, yet they themselves have done little diplomacy here other then to insult a nation in grief after it has lost 400'000 of it's citizens in a unprovoked attack against their civilian populace from Weapons of Mass Destruction.

In many circumstances the nation whom fired such WMD would find itself overwhelmed by a violent responce from the angered nation, retaliating under mutually assured destruction... however Automagfreek's officials have reckognised that there is hope of redemption for this crime against their people.

Many nations, too many nation, would simply respond in kind, launching their own WMD in an act of vengance. Automagfreek has not, and instead saught to remove those responcable and assure there people that it should never happen again.


Whittier, in responce, sees that it is fit to further provoke Lord Dreadfire by deploying forces to protect this nation from answering to it's crimes. They "justify" such by claiming that AMF has done worse in the past, but such things are history and such things are moot... what is clear is that while AMF themselves are not clean they are the victims of this attack and they will undoubtably seek to change that... should Whittier stand in their way we can only see further carnage.

From this day we will add Whittier and all allies of Whittier whom seeks to support this defencive stance to our blacklist as they have proven themselves inept in diplomacy to the point of endangering lives. As such we will not have business with them in the future.

Thanks,

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OCC: AMF i have sent you a few messages trying to contact u over the Issue but i never received a reply..... It seems to me you are just trying to ignore me so you can invade me.

For AMF, It was the Communist Government that ordered the Strikes, The Government Decided to get revenge for what anti Communist things the AMF government did world wide. With the Execution of General Franklin the Communist Government fell.

The new Government coming into Power is the Tsar which ruled Dr_Twist for a Long time and was always Pro AMF, and has always Protected AMF, But yet this Government has Received nothing in Return, If anything AMF should Help Remove these insane Communist Forces from Dr_Twist to aid the Return of the Tsar to Dr_Twist, AMF himself has always owed the Tsar a lot for what he has done, A lot of the things here were stated without even knowing what’s going on.

OCC: AMF I don't want war but some form of personal discussion between me and you needs to go ahead, as i have received a lot of backing from long time Allies and you yourself should know AMF, if u come into my Country you will be Unignoring Russian Forces and it will be open game for him and his Allies.


OOC: My TM box fills up every day. There's a good chance i never got your TM.

NOW THAT TWIST IS HERE, EVERYBODY ELSE STOP POSTING PLEASE.

I understand that this is a delicate situation and I know we were once great friends. I know that in your heart you know what happened was wrong, but something has to be done, you know this. I never thought WMD would be unleashed on Greece, and even you must admit that this cannot happen again.

What are YOU going to do to fix this?


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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

We request that it be noted that although the Kingdom of Weyr has an official embassy within Iuthia, we will remain neutral in this conflict even if Iuthia itself becomes involved. However, should Weyrean citizens be specifically targeted by either side, or should Weyrean citizens be harmed without due warning, we will be required to intervene, as dictated by The Contract established between the government and the people of Weyr.

We hope that a peaceful solution be reached to this conflict. However, it appears that neither side is particularly willing to reach such an agreement. Automagfreek makes demands that no nation could or would accept unless it wanted to become an effective ward of AMF. Dr_Twist appears to be a naton that would not come to peace talks even if the terms made less severe.

J. W. Gibbs
Consul-general of Weyr

OCC: AMF i have sent you a few messages trying to contact u over the Issue but i never received a reply..... It seems to me you are just trying to ignore me so you can invade me.

For AMF, It was the Communist Government that ordered the Strikes, The Government Decided to get revenge for what anti Communist things the AMF government did world wide. With the Execution of General Franklin the Communist Government fell.

The new Government coming into Power is the Tsar which ruled Dr_Twist for a Long time and was always Pro AMF, and has always Protected AMF, But yet this Government has Received nothing in Return, If anything AMF should Help Remove these insane Communist Forces from Dr_Twist to aid the Return of the Tsar to Dr_Twist, AMF himself has always owed the Tsar a lot for what he has done, A lot of the things here were stated without even knowing what’s going on.

OCC: AMF I don't want war but some form of personal discussion between me and you needs to go ahead, as i have received a lot of backing from long time Allies and you yourself should know AMF, if u come into my Country you will be Unignoring Russian Forces and it will be open game for him and his Allies.


OOC: My TM box fills up every day. There's a good chance i never got your TM.

NOW THAT TWIST IS HERE, EVERYBODY ELSE STOP POSTING PLEASE.

I understand that this is a delicate situation and I know we were once great friends. I know that in your heart you know what happened was wrong, but something has to be done, you know this. I never thought WMD would be unleashed on Greece, and even you must admit that this cannot happen again.

What are YOU going to do to fix this?


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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

AMF, Talk in TG's it is easier that way and people don't but in.

AMF, Talk in TG's it is easier that way and people don't but in.

OOC: No, keep it here.

I'll close the RP.

OCC: UNLESS YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED DON'T POST, OVER 99% OF THE POSTS HERE ARE WRONG, NO ONE HERE DID THERE HOMEWORK AT ALL!!!

OCC: UNLESS YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED DON'T POST, OVER 99% OF THE POSTS HERE ARE WRONG, NO ONE HERE DID THERE HOMEWORK AT ALL!!!

OOC: Ok, RP's closed.

ICly, I don't know anything about what happened. Hence why we discuss.

Now, discuss!!! (ICly that is)

AMF, Talk in TG's it is easier that way and people don't but in.

OOC: No, keep it here.

I'll close the RP.
OCC: Where do you want to start? I can’t stay long as i have to go to doctor's soon as i have to have Laser Eye Surgery Next week because i might be going blind :/

AMF, Talk in TG's it is easier that way and people don't but in.

OOC: No, keep it here.

I'll close the RP.
OCC: Where do you want to start? I can’t stay long as i have to go to doctor's soon as i have to have Laser Eye Surgery Next week because i might be going blind :/

OOC: Shit, that sucks. Um...let's start discussing the terms. Hartman is going to try and get them reduced, let's start there.

Magdha is disgusted by the Whittier Pact's support for a nation that uses chemical weapons on neutral civilians. If AMF allows we will deploy the following forces to Greece:

30 Infanry Divisions in M-113 APCs- 20,000 men each
10 Mechanized Infantry Divisions in M2-A3 Bradley IFVs- 18,000 men each
4 Airborne Divisions in Blackhawk Helicopters- 5,000 men each
15 Tank Divisions- 3000 M1-A2 Abrams, 250 M-109s, 100 MLRS, 10 Patriot Batteries, 20 R-409 SuperHeavy tanks.
1st Artillery Divison- 500 MLRS, 500 M-109s, 2 Chain Cannons, 100 155mm G-5 guns.

Total Forces- 800,000 Troops
45,300 Tanks

OCC: UNLESS YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED DON'T POST, OVER 99% OF THE POSTS HERE ARE WRONG, NO ONE HERE DID THERE HOMEWORK AT ALL!!!

OOC: Ok, RP's closed.

ICly, I don't know anything about what happened. Hence why we discuss.

Now, discuss!!! (ICly that is)

Well there was a Communist Dictator that Controlled DT, a Revolution started, i ask a few good Friends to hope in on ether side to make it Interesting then they ask others to Join the RP and made it a complete mess :roll: . But anyways to the Point, General Franklin Who ordered the Attack Was a Communist Dictator, he ordered the attack and we straight into Exile in Russian Forces but along the way he was Beheaded, The Tsar on the Other Side was trying to remove the Communists from the nation so he could return to power because he has 99% of the Public backing he has always been PRO AMF, and was the leader in charge during many a operation to protect Greece and AMF in the past. The Communist Government during its Rain has been expected to kill about 600 Million of the Population.

Now I Believe that yes something should happen, But the Tsar shouldn't be held responsible for something he never did.

Magdha is disgusted by the Whittier Pact's support for a nation that uses chemical weapons on neutral civilians. If AMF allows we will deploy the following forces to Greece:

30 Infanry Divisions in M-113 APCs- 20,000 men each
10 Mechanized Infantry Divisions in M2-A3 Bradley IFVs- 18,000 men each
4 Airborne Divisions in Blackhawk Helicopters- 5,000 men each
15 Tank Divisions- 3000 M1-A2 Abrams, 250 M-109s, 100 MLRS, 10 Patriot Batteries, 20 R-409 SuperHeavy tanks.
1st Artillery Divison- 500 MLRS, 500 M-109s, 2 Chain Cannons, 100 155mm G-5 guns.

Total Forces- 800,000 Troops
45,300 Tanks
OCC: GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW! You know nothing no one does in this Thread, Whitter was well within his rights to do what he Did. If you know What was happening you wound understand.

Magdha is disgusted by the Whittier Pact's support for a nation that uses chemical weapons on neutral civilians. If AMF allows we will deploy the following forces to Greece:

30 Infanry Divisions in M-113 APCs- 20,000 men each
10 Mechanized Infantry Divisions in M2-A3 Bradley IFVs- 18,000 men each
4 Airborne Divisions in Blackhawk Helicopters- 5,000 men each
15 Tank Divisions- 3000 M1-A2 Abrams, 250 M-109s, 100 MLRS, 10 Patriot Batteries, 20 R-409 SuperHeavy tanks.
1st Artillery Divison- 500 MLRS, 500 M-109s, 2 Chain Cannons, 100 155mm G-5 guns.

Total Forces- 800,000 Troops
45,300 Tanks
OCC: GET OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW! You know nothing no one does in this Thread, Whitter was well within his rights to do what he Did. If you know What was happening you wound understand.

We have heard several variations of the story, and after hearing yours I'm not sure what to do. I think we can both agree that for the time being we need to surpervise stabilization of Dr_Twist. We also feel taht you need to get rid of your WMD so it cannot fall into the wrong hands again, and Damien will not be satisfied until this happens. I know his terms are harsh, but seeing as we are still friends, they aren't that bad, are they? Becoming apart of the Empire will not only stabilize your economy, but Lord Damien will personally oversee reconstruction of your country and military. These are great benefits, all at the cost of some of your military liberties.

Please, I urge you to accept his terms. With nations like Whittier threatening us, we see no other way.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

OOC Tag... :?

Crimmond makes no real comment on this issue, but announces that it is observing for the moment and will gladly assist the Freeks if asked.

OOC: I was invited via TG before it was locked and AMF and Crimmond are rather closely involved IC, so shout at me at your own peril.

We have heard several variations of the story, and after hearing yours I'm not sure what to do. I think we can both agree that for the time being we need to surpervise stabilization of Dr_Twist. We also feel taht you need to get rid of your WMD so it cannot fall into the wrong hands again, and Damien will not be satisfied until this happens. I know his terms are harsh, but seeing as we are still friends, they aren't that bad, are they? Becoming apart of the Empire will not only stabilize your economy, but Lord Damien will personally oversee reconstruction of your country and military. These are great benefits, all at the cost of some of your military liberties.

Please, I urge you to accept his terms. With nations like Whittier threatening us, we see no other way.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

I See no problem with the Over all but these.

2. DT will, within the bounds of reasonability, reduce its armed forces to a size approximately 5% of its current armed forces size.

There are no Armed Forces Presently in the Service of the Nation of Dr_Twist as they have all been Disbanded, SO how would this work?

4. DT will swear fealty to The Destroyer.

WTF?

Also we want AMF to come into DT and remove all Foreign Forces from DT land and become its Protector during its Reconstruction.
OCC: I gtg to doctors in a sec.

I See no problem with the Over all but these.

2. DT will, within the bounds of reasonability, reduce its armed forces to a size approximately 5% of its current armed forces size.

There are no Armed Forces Presently in the Service of the Nation of Dr_Twist as they have all been Disbanded, SO how would this work?

4. DT will swear fealty to The Destroyer.

WTF?

Also we want AMF to come into DT and remove all Foreign Forces from DT land and become its Protector during its Reconstruction.
OCC: I gtg to doctors in a sec.

OOC: Fealty means friendship or loyalty.

If you have no forces, then yes there is no problem. If you are accepting our terms, AMF forces will swiftly move in and remove any intruders.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

Uh...guys? *tap tap* I do hope you realize the severe logistical problems of transporting so many forces?

Especially since IDF, I do recall you transporting these forces elsewhere shortly prior to this...that's a huge percentage of your air force...that move wouldn't be wise and it would be logistical hell. Your military would be seriously overextended.


Even if he did, he has no right to engage in mass genocide. Two rights do not a right make. If you can prove that DT was the aggressor and did use WMD's against civilians or against AMF forces for no just reason, I will back down on the condition that no genocide takes place and the DT government remains in communist hands.


IC:

There is a difference, Whittier, between Mass Genocide and removing a threatening government from power. If anything, it is the government of Dr. Twist that has been the perpetrator of mass genocide...

Why should the government that has done this not suffer its consequences? It is not a matter of you backing down...

A Few Rich People, an obscure West Scotland Corporation has filied suite against Mikolsolf as it already has a 'The Destroyer Cometh, the Destroyer Taketh' T-shirt as a promotion in a modern warfare PC game it has...sentinels of which are a part.
Nothing justifies genocide. If AMF really did want to justly retaliate against DT for the WMD's (link won't work for me), he would just target the leadership. Instead, his record shows he enjoys killing millions of innocent men women and children who have no say in their government's actions.
I find your thought process interesting. " Killing some adult soldiers justifies killing defenseless children. "

OOC: Qoutation is sarcasm in case you don't get it.

Nothing justifies genocide. If AMF really did want to justly retaliate against DT for the WMD's (link won't work for me), he would just target the leadership. Instead, his record shows he enjoys killing millions of innocent men women and children who have no say in their government's actions.
I find your thought process interesting. " Killing some adult soldiers justifies killing defenseless children. "

OOC: Qoutation is sarcasm in case you don't get it.


AMF and DT have almost sealed the deal, no thanks to your meddling. No kindly piss off before you cause more damage. You've stretched Damien's patience to the limits, and you should feel lucky.

Now, seeing as we have severed our ties with the terrorist, warmongering state of Whittier, we have nothing more to say to you.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

As the DT government has voluntarily submitted to AMF of their own accord, Whittier's deployment orders for its troops have been canceled.

"Terrorist warmongering state of Whittier". When have we ever been your enemies. We sided with you in the past. Though we disagreed with your genocides. We could not allow that to happen this time. Your record, unfortunately for you, precedes you.
Our cause was to prevent genocide. As it has become clear that no genocide will occur, the Politburo considers this case closed.

OOC: Sorry AMF, but I've sent you a number of telegrams and I guess you didn't get them.

IC: We have reviewed this matter from all perspectives and come to agree with AMF. Automagfreek's philosophy for war and battle is almost identical to ours and we have seen that that is not exceptable to certain nations such as Whitter. We have no wish to be destroyed or subjugated. So we ask Lord Damien to grant us the protection and friendship of Automagfreek.

OOC:I guess you dont need me anymore, AMF?

IC:Chellis denounces Whittier for trying to provoke a war between DT and AMF, when AMF simply wanted to relaliate for what DT people, communist or not, did. Especially for the fact that AMF was not trying to kill off DT, but simply make sure DT never attacked him again. However, Chellis is glad to see DT has pretty much agreed to AMF's terms, and whittier has been shut down, so to speak.

OOC: Yes, i know what happened in the thread, and AMF invited me to the thread, so im clearly in my rights to be here.

I See no problem with the Over all but these.

2. DT will, within the bounds of reasonability, reduce its armed forces to a size approximately 5% of its current armed forces size.

There are no Armed Forces Presently in the Service of the Nation of Dr_Twist as they have all been Disbanded, SO how would this work?

4. DT will swear fealty to The Destroyer.

WTF?

Also we want AMF to come into DT and remove all Foreign Forces from DT land and become its Protector during its Reconstruction.
OCC: I gtg to doctors in a sec.

OOC: Fealty means friendship or loyalty.

If you have no forces, then yes there is no problem. If you are accepting our terms, AMF forces will swiftly move in and remove any intruders.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

The Dr_Twist Government Agrees to everything but the Limiting of DT Forces, AMF, You and i Both know that if u come into DT there will be Blood and you can’t Guarantee Victory, There will be no DT Limiting of Arms in any way, The Present Forces have been Disbanded but they will be Rebuilt over time.

ooc: ehhh?

meh just leave it for now AMF, go slaughter some n00bs or something, leave this to people who use diplomacy in DT this time ok?

we are busily arranging DT to be hacked up, so meh.

OOC: I am using diplomacy. And what makes you think I am only fit to beat on n00bs?


because that is what you do? :roll:

Especially after you "Left" the game and all... that's all i seen you do, besides i am moving away from this forum anyway, useless absolutely useless, Fare thee well!
(heh funny story)

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154678&highlight=
Execution of Franklin

It is not true that Franklin was killed to 'appease' AMF. It was a gross act of self indulgance to announce that.

because that is what you do? :roll:

Especially after you "Left" the game and all... that's all i seen you do, besides i am moving away from this forum anyway, useless absolutely useless, Fare thee well!
(heh funny story)

OOC: Oh come on now, I can't help it that only n00bs have been picking fights with me. And I did "leave" the game for a long time, it's not my fault that the older players won't start fights with me.

tag.

OOC: AMG, I know that this thread is closed, but I have a statement to isssue to everyone here. I was involved in the Dr_Twist war on the side of the communists.

I think that many of the nations backing DT only backed him to stop imperialistic nations. Then he used VX gas on AMF, and a lot of them stopped supporting him (like me). They then executed General Franklin to appease AMF, in the hope that he did not join with the imperialists. Shortly after this, the war ended and negotiations were began to split the country of DT. These failed though, due in part to AMF's intervention. When AMF asked obeyment of these terms by DT, other nations felt that the work they had done to 'defend' DT from imperialists was wasted. This led some to try and stop AMF(whittier).

But surely if they wanted to defend DT's people, then why don't they move out of the way and let them decide about what happens to them, and the terms of this treaty. After all, the capitalists they (and me) were fighting at first have been expelled from the country, so now DT makes his own decisions. We were all 'beaten' by a combination of Capitalist interventions and the treachery of General Franklin, but now that the capitalists do not have a say, why not let DT make his own decisions, as a whole state, for the state. Thats a fundamental part of Communism.

Just let the people of DT decide what they want, whether they want to submit to AMF or whatever.

I praise the cancelation of Whittiers deployment of troops, it shows sense and reason, something many NS players do not have.

Thank you for your time,
Intelligent Neighbors

OOC: AMG, I know that this thread is closed, but I have a statement to isssue to everyone here. I was involved in the Dr_Twist war on the side of the communists.

I think that many of the nations backing DT only backed him to stop imperialistic nations. Then he used VX gas on AMF, and a lot of them stopped supporting him (like me). They then executed General Franklin to appease AMF, in the hope that he did not join with the imperialists. Shortly after this, the war ended and negotiations were began to split the country of DT. These failed though, due in part to AMF's intervention. When AMF asked obeyment of these terms by DT, other nations felt that the work they had done to 'defend' DT from imperialists was wasted. This led some to try and stop AMF(whittier).

But surely if they wanted to defend DT's people, then why don't they move out of the way and let them decide about what happens to them, and the terms of this treaty. After all, the capitalists they (and me) were fighting at first have been expelled from the country, so now DT makes his own decisions. We were all 'beaten' by a combination of Capitalist interventions and the treachery of General Franklin, but now that the capitalists do not have a say, why not let DT make his own decisions, as a whole state, for the state. Thats a fundamental part of Communism.

Just let the people of DT decide what they want, whether they want to submit to AMF or whatever.

I praise the cancelation of Whittiers deployment of troops, it shows sense and reason, something many NS players do not have.

Thank you for your time,
Intelligent Neighbors

Wrong, there was the Tsar which who was being Helped By Credonia and so on and then there was General Franklin, who was being Helped by the Communists, The Battle had nothing to do with the Nation itself it was between the 2 Governments of Dr_Twist, The Communists fell and they fell hard, The Tsar won the War, It was the Communists who Did the Chemical Attacks, Not the Tsar but the Tsar is being Prosecuted because of the Last Government which is wrong.

The Tsar has always been Pro AMF but Yet AMF just Ignores this Information as if it Doesn’t Exist.

OOC: AMG, I know that this thread is closed, but I have a statement to isssue to everyone here. I was involved in the Dr_Twist war on the side of the communists.

I think that many of the nations backing DT only backed him to stop imperialistic nations. Then he used VX gas on AMF, and a lot of them stopped supporting him (like me). They then executed General Franklin to appease AMF, in the hope that he did not join with the imperialists. Shortly after this, the war ended and negotiations were began to split the country of DT. These failed though, due in part to AMF's intervention. When AMF asked obeyment of these terms by DT, other nations felt that the work they had done to 'defend' DT from imperialists was wasted. This led some to try and stop AMF(whittier).

But surely if they wanted to defend DT's people, then why don't they move out of the way and let them decide about what happens to them, and the terms of this treaty. After all, the capitalists they (and me) were fighting at first have been expelled from the country, so now DT makes his own decisions. We were all 'beaten' by a combination of Capitalist interventions and the treachery of General Franklin, but now that the capitalists do not have a say, why not let DT make his own decisions, as a whole state, for the state. Thats a fundamental part of Communism.

Just let the people of DT decide what they want, whether they want to submit to AMF or whatever.

I praise the cancelation of Whittiers deployment of troops, it shows sense and reason, something many NS players do not have.

Thank you for your time,
Intelligent Neighbors

Wrong, there was the Tsar which who was being Helped By Credonia and so on and then there was General Franklin, who was being Helped by the Communists, The Battle had nothing to do with the Nation itself it was between the 2 Governments of Dr_Twist, The Communists fell and they fell hard, The Tsar won the War, It was the Communists who Did the Chemical Attacks, Not the Tsar but the Tsar is being Prosecuted because of the Last Government which is wrong.

The Tsar has always been Pro AMF but Yet AMF just Ignores this Information as if it Doesn’t Exist.

Wrong, there was the Tsar which who was being Helped By Credonia and so on and then there was General Franklin, who was being Helped by the Communists, The Battle had nothing to do with the Nation itself it was between the 2 Governments of Dr_Twist, The Communists fell and they fell hard, The Tsar won the War, It was the Communists who Did the Chemical Attacks, Not the Tsar but the Tsar is being Prosecuted because of the Last Government which is wrong.

The Tsar has always been Pro AMF but Yet AMF just Ignores this Information as if it Doesn’t Exist.

I did not include the Tsar in this so I did not confuse the issue. I know that General Franklin was being supported by The communists (and me) and the Tsar by Credonia. I was merely stating the fact that the communists should let the people decide, ie the Tsar and his people. I was suggesting you have a vote basically...

I do actually agree with you about the Tsar being wrongly prosecuted, but would like to point out the fact that after the General F. used VX, a lot of communists stepped down from the fight. I now urge them to leave this peace process alone, and let DT(nation) decide.