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We will all be nations involved in the wars and RP our own little what if? After we get everybody together we'll start. Lets go. When you choose your nation post actual forces, that there were. Let's go.
I am going to be the Netherlands. I will post up my REAL units tonight. :P

I will post more tomorrow :cry:

I will post more tomorrow :cry:

I'd be interested in posting if I could play the U.S. (which declared war on Great Britain in 1812) but I'd like to do things differently from how they did it (namely: Build a stronger navy).

*tag*

Is this gonna be done on the forums here, or on a seperate forum?

I'm interested, might take France or Britain.....

I'd be very interested in RPing as Great Britain, or perhaps Canada (I know, I know...) since there might be a U.S. player.

I'd be very interested in RPing as Great Britain, or perhaps Canada (I know, I know...) since there might be a U.S. player.

Does it exactly have to fit what happened historically? If not, I wouldn't launch a pre-emptive invasion of Canada. I might attack British positions there only to score military victories, but I would want nothing to do with Canada (no offense).

Also, I'd probably like to RP as if the Federalists kept power (if Jefferson weren't elected President).

Well exactly: you lost, historically ;)

But I still want to play as Great Britain.

We will all be nations involved in the wars and RP our own little what if?

I'm guessing it doesn't have to be historical.....

No, but it has to be realistic - meaning semi-historical. Think of it as an alternate history novel.

And if its not semi-historical, then how will we decide what wars to RP?

Well exactly: you lost, historically ;)

But I still want to play as Great Britain.

No we didn't lose. It was a draw.

We will all be nations involved in the wars and RP our own little what if?

I'm guessing it doesn't have to be historical.....
No but remember what state your nations is in.

I'd be very interested in RPing as Great Britain, or perhaps Canada (I know, I know...) since there might be a U.S. player.
It will be semi-historic. You can't be Canada, it was part of the British Empire.

We will all be nations involved in the wars and RP our own little what if?

I'm guessing it doesn't have to be historical.....
No but remember what state your nations is in.

That's why I'm making some modifications (namely, acting as if Thomas Jefferson never won the Presidency and James Madison never took office). The Democratic Republicans scrapped several ships that the Federalists built in their navy. I'm going to RP it out as if the Federalists were able to maintain and build the Navy the way they originally envisioned.

Anyone have any idea about the sizes of the armies of this time? I can find out the size of the Grand Armee that invaded Russia, but that's about it....

May I have Russia? pllleeeeaaaassssssssse?

I think I'll go for France if noone will complain?

Well exactly: you lost, historically ;)

But I still want to play as Great Britain.

No we didn't lose. It was a draw.

Ha! You invaded Canada, you did not achieve you objectives. Therefore, you lost. By your way of thinking, the Americans did not lose Vietnam, or the Bay of Pigs, or the British at Gallipoli, or any other botched military operation that resulted in a failure to complete objectives, but did not LOSE any ground. Believe me, you don't want to get me started on THAT little lie. Oldest line ever.

In any case, the reason I said maybe Canada was because it would help take a load off the person playing GB, since there might be a U.S. Sortof like having two players playing Germany in a WWI RP, one for the Western Front and one for the Eastern.

OOC: Around what timeline? 1800s? I would like to be Persia

This is what I have got everybody as:
Wellingtons Holland= Holland.
Sarzonia =USA.
Falastur= France
International Terrans= The British Empire.
Vostokoslavia= Russia.
Behest= Persia
Adornia= Prussia
Ardora= Portugal.
Ottoman Kaif= Ottoman Empire.
The Volga= Savoy.

*Deciding.
Can IT and F sort out who's who. And if someone is Great Britain and they think they will loose control of attacks because of the Empire (this is the same with the any empire) you can ask someone to be Governor of a place eg Canada.
Tell me if I have missed someone e out something.
When shall we start the RP shall we wait for other nations? Or wait for Falastur and International Terrans to sort each other out then go? Or both and then go?
I will post troop formations tomorrow morning.

Are we doing this here then? Or shall we make a seperate forum website for this?

Sounds good to me, so far. But we do need more players in Europe, like Prussia, Austria, and Russia. Maybe the Ottomans, too.

Anyone have any idea about the sizes of the armies of this time? I can find out the size of the Grand Armee that invaded Russia, but that's about it....
They were in there thousands at that time and they all stood opposite and fire into each other, and that is what we will be doing.

Are we doing this here then? Or shall we make a seperate forum website for this?
We will do this here.

Anyone have any idea about the sizes of the armies of this time? I can find out the size of the Grand Armee that invaded Russia, but that's about it....
They were in there thousands at that time and they all stood opposite and fire into each other, and that is what we will be doing.

Oh, I know about the tactics, and I know that the armies numbered in their hundreds of thousands. I just don't want to under or over-estimate my army by 1,000,000 or so. I know Napoleon's army was huge, but I don't know how huge.....

Well, if I'm Governor of Canada, then who will be Great Britian? I can handle the whole empire, but if someone else is willing, they can take my place.

OOC: AM I IN!? I want to be Persia

Oh, and I'm pretty sure the Grand Armee invaded Russia with 400,000 troops, and something like 10,000 got out in the end.

People, look back all the time because I have posted who is who at the moment and it is all back there, so go back to find out who is playing.

You will need a book to find that out or the Internet or ask someone here.

Well, if I'm Governor of Canada, then who will be Great Britian? I can handle the whole empire, but if someone else is willing, they can take my place.
Oh so you can be the British Empire, then you can!

Hey, can I get Prussia or possibly Spain?

OOC: AM I IN!? I want to be Persia
Look back to page one and at the very last post.

Alright, thank you! :P

This looks like its gonna be pretty fun.

Hey, can I get Prussia or possibly Spain?
No, tell me Prussia or Spain, because I don't know what to give you. :) :oops:

I'll take Prussia, because Spain's troops were very poorly led.

I'll take Prussia, because Spain's troops were very poorly led.
Good.

So, when does this start?

This is what I have got everybody as:
Wellingtons Holland= Holland.
Sarzonia =USA.
Falastur= France
International Terrans= The British Empire.
Vostokoslavia= Russia.
Behest= Persia
Adornia= Prussia

LOOK :roll:

So, when does this start?
Well soon I hope, but not to soon, the earliest I can start is tomorrow morning, I am in England so, it is around quarter past eight here. We may need to wait awhile but for more people.

What year are we starting this from?

Yeah, good question.

What year are we starting this from?
Don't have a clue! We could start about a year before the first part of the wars.

Are we doing this here then? Or shall we make a seperate forum website for this?

What he said

Also, if we start from the year before, then how long is a year? Will we use normal NS time?

What year are we starting this from?
Don't have a clue! We could start about a year before the first part of the wars.

Trouble with that is then we have to work out when the first part of the Wars was. 8) Was it the French Revolution? The formation of the Consulate (when Napoleon first took power)? Napoleon's achievement of the title "Consul for Life" (when he became sole ruler of France)? His crowning as Emperor?

Shall we just say the year is 1800?

True, true. I think that we should go for the forming of the Consulate - we ARE dealing with Napoleon, after all, and it seems logical to start for when he first took power, although the French Revolution might apply. Any other ideas?

...or we could do that. 1800 sounds good to me.

True, true. I think that we should go for the forming of the Consulate - we ARE dealing with Napoleon, after all, and it seems logical to start for when he first took power, although the French Revolution might apply. Any other ideas?

That would be 1800 then 8) (well....November 1799)

Well, lets just start in 1800 - its near that event, and it sounds/looks nice. Agreed?

Agreed, please reply to question above

Agreed, please reply to question above

I think he said we will do it here...

The NS year being a day? In that case, the war could take a couple weeks to roleplay out, and it would help if we had an outside forum in that situation.

The NS year being a day? In that case, the war could take a couple weeks to roleplay out, and it would help if we had an outside forum in that situation.

I agree about the forum, but it is Holland's choice....

Ha! You invaded Canada, you did not achieve you objectives. Therefore, you lost. By your way of thinking, the Americans did not lose Vietnam, or the Bay of Pigs, or the British at Gallipoli, or any other botched military operation that resulted in a failure to complete objectives, but did not LOSE any ground. Believe me, you don't want to get me started on THAT little lie. Oldest line ever.

Had the U.S. LOST that war, Britain would have forced the U.S. to make land concessions (read: give up territory). The war ended with no territory changing hands. Yes, the U.S. failed to take Canada, but Great Britain failed in its attempts to force the U.S. to give up that territory.

I didn't say the U.S. did not lose Vietnam or the Bay of Pigs. But to term the War of 1812 as anything more than a draw is misleading on Great Britain's part.

I'm not getting you started. You're doing a pretty good job of that yourself.

Ha! You invaded Canada, you did not achieve you objectives. Therefore, you lost. By your way of thinking, the Americans did not lose Vietnam, or the Bay of Pigs, or the British at Gallipoli, or any other botched military operation that resulted in a failure to complete objectives, but did not LOSE any ground. Believe me, you don't want to get me started on THAT little lie. Oldest line ever.

Had the U.S. LOST that war, Britain would have forced the U.S. to make land concessions (read: give up territory). The war ended with no territory changing hands. Yes, the U.S. failed to take Canada, but Great Britain failed in its attempts to force the U.S. to give up that territory.

I didn't say the U.S. did not lose Vietnam or the Bay of Pigs. But to term the War of 1812 as anything more than a draw is misleading on Great Britain's part.

I'm not getting you started. You're doing a pretty good job of that yourself.

The British burned Washington, I think calling it a draw is slightly misleading. No I''m not a Brit or a Canadian by the way, but saying it's a draw is like saying it was a 'draw' when a rampaging army of Goths looted Rome.

Anyway if you're still looking for more people I wouldn't mind playing as Portugal.

Had the U.S. LOST that war, Britain would have forced the U.S. to make land concessions

Had the US Lost that war, the British would have reincorporated them into the Empire.....

If no one has it yet, i'd like to have Portugal, and if that is taken, I would like Spain.

Had the U.S. LOST that war, Britain would have forced the U.S. to make land concessions

Had the US Lost that war, the British would have reincorporated them into the Empire.....

No, if the U.S. had lost the war, the British would have forced the U.S. to give up territory beyond the Eastern seaboard (likely at least some of the Louisiana Purchase.) It would not have been economically feasible to return the U.S. to the British empire.

The British couldn't claim to win the war if they couldn't force Ft. McHenry to strike its colors.

I would like to be Rwanda.

I would like to be Rwanda.

I would like to be Rwanda.

i'll would like to be the Ottoman Empire.

I would like to be Rwanda.
You can't.

i'll would like to be the Ottoman Empire.
That you are.

Austria-Hungary, if you would be so kind.

Website to help those who aren't particularly well informed on this subject: Napoleon Guide (http://www.napoleonguide.com)

This is what I have got everybody as:
Wellingtons Holland= Holland.
Sarzonia =USA.
Falastur= France
International Terrans= The British Empire.
Vostokoslavia= Russia.
Behest= Persia
Adornia= Prussia
Ardora= Portugal.
Ottoman Kaif= Ottoman Empire.
The Volga= Austria-Hungary.


People I don't know, if we should do this on another forum. Should we? I mean there was a LOTR thread on Minas Trith, that lasted ages. I mean if we go on to another forum, then we must all agree to, stay on for ages because I don't want to have to stop half way through.
I have told someone they can't have Rwanda, where they part of an Empire, I don't think they were. But you need to have good back ground, the war never got there, and you were only tribes with swords, we could easily crush you.
Now on to troops:
Indies Brigade (Lt. Gen. C.H.Anthing):
5th Line Inf Regt.
1st Flankers Bn.
10th & 11th Jager Bns.
1 battery foot artillary.

1st Netherlands Division (Lt. Gen. J.A.Steman):

1st Brigade (Maj. Gen. B.d'Hauw):
16th Jager Bn.
4th & 5th Line Inf Bns.
9th, 14th & 15th Militia Bns.

2nd Brigade (Maj. Gen. D.J.de Berens):
18th Jager Bn
1st Line Inf Bn
1st, 2nd & 18th Militia Bns.
Foot Artillery Battery (Capt. P.Wynands).

I will post more in the afternoon. Can someone give me estimated troop formations, like how many people in a company how many in a battalion, thanks.
I was thinking, why don't we start and let people join in, or shall we get on to enough forum.

This is what I have got everybody as:
Wellingtons Holland= Holland.
Sarzonia =USA.
Falastur= France
International Terrans= The British Empire.
Vostokoslavia= Russia.
Behest= Persia
Adornia= Prussia
Ardora= Portugal.
Ottoman Kaif= Ottoman Empire.
The Volga= Austria-Hungary


People I don't know, if we should do this on another forum. Should we? I mean there was a LOTR thread on Minas Trith, that lasted ages. I mean if we go on to another forum, then we must all agree to, stay on for ages because I don't want to have to stop half way through.
I have told someone they can't have Rwanda, where they part of an Empire, I don't think they were. But you need to have good back ground, the war never got there, and you were only tribes with swords, we could easily crush you.
Now on to troops:
Indies Brigade (Lt. Gen. C.H.Anthing):
5th Line Inf Regt.
1st Flankers Bn.
10th & 11th Jager Bns.
1 battery foot artillary.

1st Netherlands Division (Lt. Gen. J.A.Steman):

1st Brigade (Maj. Gen. B.d'Hauw):
16th Jager Bn.
4th & 5th Line Inf Bns.
9th, 14th & 15th Militia Bns.

2nd Brigade (Maj. Gen. D.J.de Berens):
18th Jager Bn
1st Line Inf Bn
1st, 2nd & 18th Militia Bns.
Foot Artillery Battery (Capt. P.Wynands).

I will post more in the afternoon. Can someone give me estimated troop formations, like how many people in a company how many in a battalion, thanks.
I was thinking, why don't we start and let people join in, or shall we get on to enough forum.

This was the usual system:

Infantry
Company = 100 men at full strength
Battalion = 10 Companies OR 1,000 men at full strength
Brigade = 2-5 Battalions OR 2,000-5,000 men at full strength
Division = 2-4 Brigades OR 4,000-20,000 men (though in practise never more than 12,000) at full strength

Cavalry
Troop = 50 cavalrymen at full strength
Squadron = 2-4 Troops OR 100-200 cavalrymen at full strength
Regiment = 2-4 Squadrons OR 200-800 cavalrymen at full strength
Brigade = 2-4 Regiments OR 400-3,200 cavalrymen at full strength
Division = 2-4 Brigades OR 800-12,800 cavalrymen (though in practise never more than around 6,000) at full strength

Artillery
Battery = 3-12 cannon with around 5-10 gunners per gun, as well as horses
I know the next units in artillery are company and regiment, but I am not sure how large these are. I suspect no more than 30 pieces in a regiment.

Multi-type Formations
Corps = 2-4 Infantry Divisions, 1-2 Cavalry Divisions, plus artillery. Corps was also used to apply to a single discipline of the army (for example the Cavalry Corps referred to the entire Cavalry forces of a particular nations army). However, for example, a Cavalry Corps could also refer to a grouping of cavalry divisions. This was unusual, though.
Army = 2+ Corps
Army Group = 2+ Armies

Ranks

Most nations had equivalents to these:

Field Marshal/Marshal/Feldmarschall = Commands an army group
General/General d'Armee/Feldzeugmeister = Commands an army
Lieutenant-General/General de Corps d'Armee/Fieldmarschalleutnant = Commands a corps
Major-General/General de Division/Generalmajor = Commands a division
Brigader-General/General de Brigade/Unsure of equivalent = Commands a brigade
Colonel/Colonel/Oberst = In overall charge of a regiment. Also often an honorary title in armies
Lieutenant-Colonel/Oberstleutnant = Commands a battalion
Major/Chef de Battalion/Major = 2 per battalion, commands a block of 5 companies
Captain/Capitaine/Hauptmann = Commands a company
1st Lieutenant/Lieutenant/Oberleutnant = 1 or 2 per company, commands a platoon
2nd Lieutenant or Ensign/Sous Lieutenant/Leutnant or Unterleutnant = Trainee officer, usually no more than 2 per company

First name is English, second is French and third is Austrian. I am not sure of the equivalents for other nations.

Actually, I'm going to play as someone small, and therefore easier to manage. I choose...Savoy

note: All these units are made up. I was unable to find data on the Savoyard armies.

Savoyard Dispositions

Savoy

1st Savoyard Corps

1st Savoyard Division

1st Brigade
1st Line Bn.
7th Line Bn.
11th Line Bn.

2nd Brigade
4th Line Bn.
9th Line Bn.
15th Line Bn.

3rd Brigade
2nd Grenadier Bn.
5th Jaeger Bn.

2nd Savoyard Division

4th Brigade
8th Line Bn.
13th Line Bn.
14th Line Bn.

5th Brigade
6th Line Bn.
10th Line Bn.
15th Line Bn.

6th Brigade
3rd Grenadier Bn.
12th Jaeger Bn.

1st Savoyard Cavalry Division

1st Cavalry Brigade
1st Chevauxlegers Rgmt.
4th Dragoons Rgmt.
6th Hussar Rgmt.

2nd Cavalry Brigade
2nd Dragoons Rgmt.
3rd Cuirassier Rgmt.
5th Hussar Rgmt.

Corps units
1st,2nd Foot Artillery Regiments

Unfortunately, I couldn't find any info on Portugese Armies....


Portugese 1st Corp


16,000 Infantry of the Line, 4,800 Cavalry, 45 Guns

1st Divison

1st Brigade
14th Line Bn.
17th Line Bn.
8th Line Bn.

2nd Brigade
2nd Line Bn.
10th Line Bn.
5th Line Bn.

3rd brigade
4th Caçadores Bn.
11th Line Bn.
6th Line Bn.
3rd Line Bn.


2nd Division


4th Brigade
1st Line Bn.
2nd Caçadores bn.
18th Line bn.

5th Brigade
15th Line bn.
2nd genadiers Bn.
19th Line Bn.


1st Cavalry Division

1st Brigade
3rd Cuirassier Rgmt.
4th Dragoons Rgmt.
7th Hussar Rgmt.
2nd Lancer Rgmt.

Corps Units
1st Foot Artillery Rgmt.
3rd Foot Artillery Rgmt.

Here we go....


I Corps

Gen. Hans von Ziethen Commanding

32,500 men, 96 guns

1st Corp Infantry

12th, 24th; 1st Westphalian Landwehr
2nd, 28th; 2nd Westphalian Landwehr
7th, 29th; 3rd Westphalian Landwehr
19th; 4th Westphalian Landwehr

I Corps Cavalry

Gen. Rider

5th Dragoons, 2nd Brandenburg Uhlans
6th Uhlans, 1st & 2nd Kurmark Landwehr, 1st Silesian Hussars, 1st Westphalian Landwehr

Artillery

3 horse batteries, 1 howitzer battery & 11 foot batteries


Fear the Prussian Military Might!

Edit: Triple Post

Edit: Triple Post

No, if the U.S. had lost the war, the British would have forced the U.S. to give up territory beyond the Eastern seaboard

My bad, we're talking about different wars (I was thinking of the War of Independence).

I would like to be Rwanda.

Rwanda didn't exist in 1800.....I'll make a list of nations later on, if someone asks for it....

No, if the U.S. had lost the war, the British would have forced the U.S. to give up territory beyond the Eastern seaboard

My bad, we're talking about different wars (I was thinking of the War of Independence).

Oh, okay.

It was the War of 1812 I was referring to. That war was sometimes called the Second War for Independence, but it was not given much discussion in U.S. history books. However, for some reason, I took a very keen interest in it as a youngster and ravenously perused every book I could get my hands on about it.

I would probably be very happy to enroll in a graduate level history class devoted entirely to the War of 1812.

I made a forum if we want to use it....I may as well only give out the URL if there is sufficient interest in going there and not staying on here, though. That and as long as Holland approves....

A different forum would be nice, because the Nationstates forum keeps crashing on me :evil:

I'm for a diffrent forum. Troops will be coming soon

We WILL move to a new forum I can't stand it!!! :tantrum:
When we get there, we will post our armies and I will post who's who. When can we get to that forum :?:
Thanks for the troop stuff, we will all use that unless someone has anything different. Please get the new forum.
We will start in 1800, could someone get a map of the world at that time.
Thanks,
Matt 8)

I say a different forum, so the htread won't be impossible to find.

http://s8.invisionfree.com/Napoleonic_Wars/index.php?act=idx

Sorry about the hassle, Holland. I'll make you an admin when you register, btw....

Thanks, everybody move there and we will start tonight!