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Today a great injustice was done to the Generian people. The nations of McQuaid and Aori declared Generia under a state of quarantine in order to block commerce. This is clearly a breach of free trade and we demand that these enemies of liberty and free business be stopped. We beseach all nations' aid in ending this blockade, peacefully if possible. For the sake of freedom in the world and commerce among nations help us!

What is their reasoning for this blockade?

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-Harold Riegan
Director of International and Public Relations

The nations of McQuaide, Aori, and Watertest wish to stop the influx of goods valuable to the Generian business market, effectively strangling commerce in the nation.

Apon looking into this matter, and with that the publically announced reasons for which McQuaid has quarantined the Generic Empire we see that McQuaid, Aori, and Wartest are in the right. They might seem as enemies of liberty and free business but they are instead attempting to correct the mistakes the Generic Empire has made. We ask that if the heads of the Generic Empire trully wish for liberty and free business that they cease their trade slave, which is the reason behind the quarantine, as well as a laugh in the face of 'liberty'.

Ministry of State Responce

Reference to http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154246 will show that the Generic Empire is actively and openly attempting to participate in the slave trade. The Commonwealth of McQuaide, Aori, and Watertest, are simply conducting quarantine operations against these slave traders in accordance with long-standing laws of the sea. Legitimate trade is allowed to pass.

These nations have no right to jeopardize the security of my nation! It is simply an act of larger nations exercising god-like force over a humble nation as my own.

Whittier disagrees with these nations. One of whome we have been allied in a couple of previous conflicts. The slavery issue is an internal matter for Generia. Not for us outsiders.
As such, Whittier will continue to trade with Generia.
As the coast of Generia is being blockaded, Whittier announces the great Generia airlift.
Whittier C130's will be used to fly in goods and services to the nation of Generia to keep that nation's economy a float.

Ministry of State Responce

Reference to http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154246 will show that the Generic Empire is actively and openly attempting to participate in the slave trade. The Commonwealth of McQuaide, Aori, and Watertest, are simply conducting quarantine operations against these slave traders in accordance with long-standing laws of the sea. Legitimate trade is allowed to pass.
Is Generic Empire a province of McQuaide, Aori, or Watertest?

We of the Generic Empire thank you humbly Whittier, for you most kind act of airlifting goods to our troubled land. We hope that business can continue as always.

We of the Generic Empire thank you humbly Whittier, for you most kind act of airlifting goods to our troubled land. We hope that business can continue as always.
Where are you getting your slaves from. If you are getting them from people being abducted in other nations, I will have to end the airlift.

These prisoners are all internal criminals from the Generian region.

Since we have no relationship with your country, what will we get in return? What do you need? Besides our nation, we have two puppets.

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OOC: Check them out. If you need proof that is.

FROM: Aorian Diplomat to Whittier

"There is no reason to believer that Generia is obtaining its slaves with lawful methods. They are all foreigners, and the country tends to sell them by race, sex and age. I believe we should file an investigation on these, 'criminals.'"

These prisoners are all internal criminals from the Generian region.
Ah I see. Whittier also punishes criminals by making them do slave labor.
When you break law, you give up right to be free person. What kind of laws did they break?

FROM: Aorian Diplomat to Whittier

"There is no reason to believer that Generia is obtaining its slaves with lawful methods. They are all foreigners, and the country tends to sell them by race, sex and age. I believe we should file an investigation on these, 'criminals.'"
Tis agreed by UPR to investigate.

What does Generia mean when it says people who are "undesirable"?

Whittier disagrees with these nations. One of whome we have been allied in a couple of previous conflicts. The slavery issue is an internal matter for Generia. Not for us outsiders.
As such, Whittier will continue to trade with Generia.
As the coast of Generia is being blockaded, Whittier announces the great Generia airlift.
Whittier C130's will be used to fly in goods and services to the nation of Generia to keep that nation's economy a float.

The Commonwealth of McQuaide is not acting in any way to endanger Generic Empire's sovereign right to act over its own land, however hideous those acts may be. We are simly enforceing the laws of the sea by preventing the trans-state trade of slaves by sea, pursuant to the laws of the sea dating back centuries.

We mean criminals and political prisoners by undesirable. The political prisoners are treated fairly and serve a maximum of 5 years, to stay in line with human rights.

It is not acceptable to force enemy POW's or enemy citizens into slavery. This clearly violates the Geneva Conventions, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the Whittier Conventions (the NS version of the Geneva Convention.)

Independant traders have recently brought in a large tribe of Arab slaves, male and female, mostly healthy and strong. Possible use as farmers, sex slaves, and warriors. 20,000 units total.

Yet more proof that the Generic Empire is not, as has been purported, using internal sources. Note their use of the word 'units'. Disgusting.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=154246

FROM: Aorian Diplomat to Generia

"We have absolutely no reason to believe your words without a thorough investigation. We have already prepared a team of researchers and analysts to spend two years (two real days) in Generia while observing the condition of these, 'criminals.' All we have to do now is receive the word."

The United Socialist States of Neo Soviet Russia would like to inform Whittier that the Generic Empire has also publicly 'seeked nations willing to contribute to their fledgeling slave trade'. This can be taken as looking for prisoners from outside nations going towards GE's cause. This contradicts the General Empire's claim of prisoners being solely of Generian origin.

There is no international law of the sea that prohibits the transfer of criminal prisoners between nations. If people have been enslaved cause crimes they committ. Then transporting them to other nations, is the same as expediting criminals to other nations even they are being sold as slaves.
The law you refer to does not exist in the matter you are using it.

We mean criminals and political prisoners by undesirable. The political prisoners are treated fairly and serve a maximum of 5 years, to stay in line with human rights.
But in the other thread you said criminals and "undesirables" were two different types of people.
Forcing people into slavery cause they are political prisoners is not acceptable either.
And what do you mean when say they serve a maximum of 5 years?
The nation of Bureaucracia is hereby condemned cause it enslaves people just because of ideological differences and Generia is condemned for accepting them. We demand the release of these people.

To prove to you that we do not violate the law we will allow the Aoris to observe our prisoners. Only 10 researchers will be allowed in and they may not carry armaments. They are to be accompanied at all times by Generian soldiers and may not venture into areas that the average citizen may not enter.

This is oputrageous! The people that we deal in are criminals and this is simply the same as a transfer of prisoners! Our practice is entirely legal and violates no Geneva convention law.

The United Socialist States of Neo Soviet Russia would like to inform Whittier that the Generic Empire has also publicly 'seeked nations willing to contribute to their fledgeling slave trade'. This can be taken as looking for prisoners from outside nations going towards GE's cause. This contradicts the General Empire's claim of prisoners being solely of Generian origin.
Even so, there is no international law against slave trading between nations. The only way you can justifiably act is if you can prove that some of the slaves were citizens of your own nation.
Now since Watertest is Italy and Generia admitted to having Italian slaves, he is the only one here who has a legit. case against Generia.
It is the decision to UPR that Generia releases all slaves of Italian descent, all slaves who were enslaved just cause they were political prisoners, and all slaves who were POW's in previous wars. Further, Generia must release all slaves who were abducted off the streets of nonslaver nations.
Until Generia responds affirmatively to this decision, the Generia Airlift is suspended.

This is oputrageous! The people that we deal in are criminals and this is simply the same as a transfer of prisoners! Our practice is entirely legal and violates no Geneva convention law.
You are condemning yourself. You previously admitting to forcing people into slavery just cause of their ideology. And you accept slaves from other nations even if they are abducted from nonslaver nations.
You have not proven that you can certify that all these slaves you deal in are criminals. As such you are violating the
Whittier Conventions on Human Rights and the Treatment of Prisoners of War.
Your deliberate efforts to mislead the world community not withstanding.
Judgment is for the Quarantining nations.

The Generian people had already released the Italian slaves to their rightful countries prior to this investigation. They are already on their way to Watertest.

To prove to you that we do not violate the law we will allow the Aoris to observe our prisoners. Only 10 researchers will be allowed in and they may not carry armaments. They are to be accompanied at all times by Generian soldiers and may not venture into areas that the average citizen may not enter.
It will take more than 10 observers to ensure humane treatment of these slaves. And they must be allowed access to those areas you are declaring off limits to ensure said areas are not being used to torture or beat slaves.
Generia will accept not less than 1,000 international human rights observers or face a unilateral trade embargo.

The Generian people had already released the Italian slaves to their rightful countries prior to this investigation. They are already on their way to Watertest.
whittier awaits confirmation that the citizens of Watertest have returned to their homeland.
You must release the other groups I said you had to release also.

We will allow 500 observers. No more, no less. They will be granted access to every area except the Imperial Palace, as a personal courtesy to his majesty and his family.

edit:double post

The USSNSR finds the lack of international laws against slave trading somewhat disappointing. We do though find the demands of the UPR to be respectable and of what we'd wish.

We also ask that the Generic Empire reconsider the limit of five hundred observers. We believe it would not only be better for the Empire's public image to help go against the thoughts that slave trading brings about in the minds of people but as well as a bit more of an assurance for other nations.

The Commonwealth of McQuaide desires to submit for international scrutiny the Brussels Conference of 1889-90, which featured a prohibition on the inter-state trade of human slaves.

((OOC: This is one of the better examples I could come up with. See also the 1815 Congress of Vienna as another example... I'm by no means versed in law, but I think this is the best I can come up with.))