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Artist's impression of a navalized MX-90 Unmanned Fighter



New Dublin, McQuaide

The McQuaide Self Defense Force today announced the start of research and development work on a domestically designed and manufactured air superiority fighter to counter the highly-prolifereated F-22 Raptor series of fighters.

McQuaide Aerospace Engineering, Inc, the nationalized manufacturer of liscenced Ilushin and Tupolev design bureau aircraft up to this point, has announced a rolling expansion of its design and manufacturing divisions to make room for this contract. Although the initial cost of research, development, and production are expected to reach past $35 billion USD, these costs are expected to be absorbed by a limited export of the next generation fighter aircraft.

The McQuaide Ministry of Defense, which commissioned the project, set high standards for the project. Among the vehicle's requirements:

*Pilotless. The fighter, designated MX-90 for the moment, is to take advantage of modern autonomously piloted vehicle technology in order to eliminate the significant weight required by life support systems and crew protection features. Also, the elimination of human pilots will allow for the aircraft to take full advantage of maneuverability.

*Stealthy. The aircraft is required to present a Radar Cross Section (RCS) no greater than 3/4 that of the F-22. This is expected to be accomplished through a combination of small size, radar absobant materials, and the use of angled surfaces.

*Fast. The aircraft is expected to achieve 'supercruise' speeds, travelling faster than the speed of sound without the use of afterburners.

*Maneuverable. The aircraft is expected to make use of a three-dimensional thrust-vectoring technology to allow for maneuvers well in excess of 11Gs.

*Inexpensive. Through the smaller size and a somewhat smaller payload than the F-22, the MX-90 is expected to cost approximately 3/5 of the cost of the F-22.


McQuaide Aerospace Engineering, Inc has invited interested parties to prestent bids to invest in this project. Several aircraft systems could be developed by second parties in return for production rights or access to aircraft units or technology.






((OOC: This is a thread to start the development of a McQuaide domestic fighter. I'm expecting to not field this fighter for a good week or so. In the mean time, feel free to submit a bid to invest in this fighter, EuroFighter style.))

*Fast. The aircraft is expected to achieve 'supercruise' speeds, travelling faster than the speed of light without the use of afterburners

WTF

Um, FYI, I think you mean Sound, not light.

Supercruise is the ability to hit mach speeds with out using afterburnners, as illistrated in the Raptor and JSF.

Other wise, I find this very usful and would like to invest. About how much are we talking? Also, full rights are expected....

Bump with new pic and some editing. Blasted work computers.

We are willing to invest. But i won't make the first bid. :lol:

1 dollar going once.....

Going twice....

a $1.50

I would also like to invest but im not gonna make the first bid.

((OOC: Thanks for the catch on the 'light/sound' thing. I did indeed mean sound, along the lines of the F-22 program. Edited with thanks.))


Minstry of Defense Dispatch to Interested Parties

The Commonwealth of McQuaide is pleased to hear of your interest in investing in the MX-90 project. We would propose a possible investment opportunity something along the lines of either a monetary investment of $150 billion USD upfront, or the development of one of the more important subsystems of the aircraft such as:

*Airframe. Development of a stealthy airframe capable of carrying approximately 7,500 pounds of ordinance, sustaining high-G maneuvers, and landing on aircraft carrier decks. (For a navalized version.)

*Powerplant(s). Development and manufacture of a supercruise-capable, thrust-vectored engine or engines. A $5 billion bonus will be paid by the Commonwealth for the development of a vertical takeoff and landing capability for this engine.

*AI and Avionics. Development of a suite of triple-redundant electronics and communications package capable of flying the aircraft via an intelligent AI system(all flight functions controlled by computer from takeoff to landing), via indirect ground control (aircraft provided targeting instructions by humans), or by direct control (humans control all flight functions from a remote station.). Must be capable of advanced fighter tactics. Development of a sensor package, fire control package, and all other pertinant electronics included in this section.

Any investment in this project would obviously be contingent upon the interested party agreeing to a military non-aggression pact. However, it would be desireable that any investment partner nation also agree to a free trade agreement and diplomatic exchange.

WQe will pay 180 USD upfront becouse of past relations and great interest, these seems a lot like the XL-55, which I based my TF-55 after, but other than the looks, seems totaly different

I could help with the engine, my associates at Grumpin Aircraft Company have a new Dugahh Classed Engine on the line.

(OOC:
Dugahh is an Engine Class meaning Virtical Take-Off and High-Power)

Anyways, it is still in testing, but wil prove interesting.

It will have these inputs:

*Six In-Hull transfer Exhust Valve Out-Put Beams

*Two Try-Bit Engine Burnners

*45,000lb Thrust Per Engine

*Sectioned Bi-Angelur Feed Areas

*Built-In CEWL System for Exhust Cooling (Anti-IR)

*Compact size

These are subject to change.

As for the Free-Trade,

It is agenst all of Truitt's Forgien Affairs Department's Regulations to form Free-Trade with any nation. Otherwise, we are a go.

Here is a suggestion:

Instead of out-of-date alierons, elevators, and rudders, why not make an exhust based manuverablity system

The Dugahh Rated Engine I just mentioned can do all of that.

By using the exhust pipes, with a max of 5 pipes in the rear, the full control is there.

Example:
To Roll left, the two outer exhust pipes would move or down, according to what the operator has commanded.

Example B:
Wants to go up, the exhust pipe int he middle will point upwards or downwards, depending on command, while the other four keep it even.

The Commonwealth of McQuaide would like to offer the following agreement to Truitt:

1) That Truitt shall gain immediate and full production rights for the XM-90 Advanced Tactical Fighter after the project is designed and tested.

1a) That Truitt shall gain access to the Cowden Air Force Base research facilities to represent their interests in all phases of design and testing of the XM-90.

2) That Truitt shall be considered a Most Favored Nation for the purposes of tarriffs in the Commonwealth of McQuaide.

3) That Truitt shall commit a sum of $180 billion USD to the Commonwealth of McQuaide, payable in equal, monthly, interest-free payments over the period of 3 years.

4) That the Truitt Dugahh powerplant be entered into consideration for the XM-90 powerplant.

4a) That, should the Dugahh engine be selected, that Truitt be compensated $45,000,000 per unit by the Commonwealth of McQuaide.

4b) That, should the Dugahh engine be selected, that Truitt be prepared to supply a total of 30 per (NS) month to the Commonwealth of McQuaide and any other fully invested partner nations for their domestic aircraft production.

Should the nation of Truitt desire any changes to this agreement, we are of course open to negotiation.

I was aimming for less for what you said, but it is good.

As for calling it Dugahh, it is just a ranking.

It is made by the Farway Engine Branch of Grumpin. So that should say they are good (Equivilant to Americans Pratt Whittey)

Also, it is called the XL-FW-8A3

The XL will be replaced by a rating once testing is complete.

The engine its self, having three versions, is fairly compact and light wieght. This would help in any way an engine could.

As for Body Frame, I could help construct a rear system for stealthy engine exhust alierons, which make it more stealthy.

Also, the 30 per NS month sounds a little much since it is very complex. I am proposing a reduction from 30 to 25.

ill : buy three:twisted

these are currently not even off of the drawing board, sorry.

FROM: Department of Aviation (Aori)

"We have noticed several flaws in the system of your aircraft. First off, if the device is ever remote controlled, there are many ways (in theory) that it could be jammed. Secondly, A.I. is not perfect nor intelligent. A.I. is script, and most people do not realise that a machine can only react to the extent of its programming. Programming can only go so far before it reaches its limits and fails in battle. We have tested numerous automatons before, and most have failed with terrible results. Thirdly, would it not be cheaper simply to add a human pilot back in? True intelligence with machinery can and has been performed, but is too tedious to be cost-effective. Rather than have the pilot control the craft in conventional ways, however, we have a new, experimental technology. Mind you we have patents on all of this, so do not attempt replication."

"Several years ago, we had hooked up paralyzed hospital patients (with their permission of course) to RC-Car controllers. We did this by attaching wires and diodes to the brain-stem, and were able to get promising results. Not only were the patients able to succesfully pilot the cars around difficult tracks and courses, but they were able to pilot helicopter and aeroplane models too. However, we could easily go to the next step. By attaching temporary diodes to the spine of a pilot, they could be, "installed" onto an aircraft with minimum usage of space. Rather than live in an open canopy, they would reside in an armoured shell. Fed with liquid-oxygens and IV-tubes, their, "cockpit" would be filled with liquids and ejectable from the rest of the vessel. Cameras would act as the eyes, and messages would be sent directly to the nerve-net. Perdicted reaction time is higher than average, and a sense of slow-motion (due to the increased processign rate) would overcome the pilot."

Ministry of Defense Dispatch

The Commonwealth of McQuaide agrees to the reduction in XL-FW-8A3 engines provided from 30 to 25. If the agreement is otherwise agreeable to the Truitt government, we believe this agreement is ready to be signed and ratified to allow R&D to commence on the other subsystems.

1) That Truitt shall gain immediate and full production rights for the XM-90 Advanced Tactical Fighter after the project is designed and tested.

1a) That Truitt shall gain access to the Cowden Air Force Base research facilities to represent their interests in all phases of design and testing of the XM-90.

2) That Truitt shall be considered a Most Favored Nation for the purposes of tarriffs in the Commonwealth of McQuaide.

3) That Truitt shall commit a sum of $180 billion USD to the Commonwealth of McQuaide, payable in equal, monthly, interest-free payments over the period of 3 years.

4) That the Truitt Dugahh powerplant be entered into consideration for the XM-90 powerplant.

4a) That, should the Dugahh engine be selected, that Truitt be compensated $45,000,000 per unit by the Commonwealth of McQuaide.

4b) That, should the Dugahh engine be selected, that Truitt be prepared to supply a total of 25 per (NS) month to the Commonwealth of McQuaide and any other fully invested partner nations for their domestic aircraft production.


Signed,

Daniel Sweeny,
Prime Minister, Commonwealth of McQuaide

I was aimming for less for what you said, but it is good.

As for calling it Dugahh, it is just a ranking.

It is made by the Farway Engine Branch of Grumpin. So that should say they are good (Equivilant to Americans Pratt Whittey)

Also, it is called the XL-FW-8A3

The XL will be replaced by a rating once testing is complete.

The engine its self, having three versions, is fairly compact and light wieght. This would help in any way an engine could.

As for Body Frame, I could help construct a rear system for stealthy engine exhust alierons, which make it more stealthy.

Also, the 30 per NS month sounds a little much since it is very complex. I am proposing a reduction from 30 to 25.

Ashlen MarKay
(Ashlen MarKay, Head Councilman of Science and Innovations)
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As for the pilto in command consept, it would however pull down the limits of the aircraft to lower standerds, but since we are talking future tech and all, pilot in command does not sem too bad. Of cource two version could be made. There could be a controlled one could be home-and security, controlled by an airforce base close by.

As for the Pilot controlled, I would back this extremely.

However, I mujst pay tribute to my bed now, so see you guys tommarow night.

Sounds interesting. Perhaps maybe create a VTOL version of the fighter and we may be interested in funding the project.

Sounds interesting. Perhaps maybe create a VTOL version of the fighter and we may be interested in funding the project.

FROM: Department of Aviation (Aori)

"We have noticed several flaws in the system of your aircraft. First off, if the device is ever remote controlled, there are many ways (in theory) that it could be jammed. Secondly, A.I. is not perfect nor intelligent. A.I. is script, and most people do not realise that a machine can only react to the extent of its programming. Programming can only go so far before it reaches its limits and fails in battle. We have tested numerous automatons before, and most have failed with terrible results. Thirdly, would it not be cheaper simply to add a human pilot back in? True intelligence with machinery can and has been performed, but is too tedious to be cost-effective. Rather than have the pilot control the craft in conventional ways, however, we have a new, experimental technology. Mind you we have patents on all of this, so do not attempt replication."

"Several years ago, we had hooked up paralyzed hospital patients (with their permission of course) to RC-Car controllers. We did this by attaching wires and diodes to the brain-stem, and were able to get promising results. Not only were the patients able to succesfully pilot the cars around difficult tracks and courses, but they were able to pilot helicopter and aeroplane models too. However, we could easily go to the next step. By attaching temporary diodes to the spine of a pilot, they could be, "installed" onto an aircraft with minimum usage of space. Rather than live in an open canopy, they would reside in an armoured shell. Fed with liquid-oxygens and IV-tubes, their, "cockpit" would be filled with liquids and ejectable from the rest of the vessel. Cameras would act as the eyes, and messages would be sent directly to the nerve-net. Perdicted reaction time is higher than average, and a sense of slow-motion (due to the increased processign rate) would overcome the pilot."

Although the Commonwealth of McQuaide thanks Aori for its advise and suggestions, it is the belief of the Ministry of Defense that a pilotless aircraft's advantages outweigh its disadvantages. The smaller size acheived is one of the only ways that a stealthy aircraft can be built at significantly lesser cost than contemporary models. Such a change allows for proportionally greater mass to be dedicated to weapon, sensor, and survivability systems.

The aircraft can be controlled by a human in real time to take advantage of the originality of a human pilot, or can be piloted by the AI in the case of electronic jamming of the battle area. (Although such jamming is difficult with satellite communications employed by the design.) Finally, the pilotless design will potentially cut down dramatically on the service and support needed to field the aircraft. Compared to conventional aircraft units or 'hospital patient' units which require life support systems techs, escape system techs, parachute techs, etc, the anpower required to run a UAV unit would be significantly lower. Although the electronics and communications workload is increased marginally, a UAV fighter unit will still require less personnel.

What do I get? I don't want to invest in something that i will not get anything out of. :?:

Sounds interesting. Perhaps maybe create a VTOL version of the fighter and we may be interested in funding the project.

The Commonwealth of McQuaide has indeed considered a VTOL version to be desireable. Should the Truitt XL-FW-8A3 has a VTOL capability and is presently the only engine submitted, it appears the XM-90 will be a VTOL-capable aircraft.

Let me introduce you to the KAPPA project before I leave....wait, let me say it tommarow, it is complecated, but it works great for computer based aircraft, saves that computer in case of being shot down.

FROM: Department of Aviation (Aori)

"Trust us; you will regret constructing such aircraft. Aori has done so numerous times in the past, and RC aircraft are the epitome of science-fiction. Simply to prevent you from wasting tax-payers' dollars, we will send over five Electronic Warfare craft to test your systems with your permission. Sattelite or no sattelite, such control over a body is difficult and cumbersome. Aori has been constructing sattelite communications since the late sixties; cables are not desirable in an archipelago."

What do I get? I don't want to invest in something that i will not get anything out of. :?:

States considered full partners in the XM-90 project are provided with full production rights for the aircraft design, allowing the state to produce the aircraft domestically. Alternatively, a nation can become a partial partner, investing but a few billion dollars now to recieve significant discounts on McQuaide-produced models when it is completed.

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Ill buy one if I can!

Alright, two things:

1) You can not buy this yet, however, if it is aircraft and other things you wish to purchase, look for posts he has made, or go to my StoreFront:
Truittian Government and Civil Supplies (http://s8.invisionfree.com/TruittEmpire/index.php?s=3cdf93f416885ca0ee577be050c1dfd4&showforum=2)

2)

Here is a post from my Systems Board on my StoreFront, it is about the Dugahh-98 (It finally got off of testing)

Dugahh 98-DH-9A0

The Aircraft Company Grumpin (Simular to Grumman in America) has designned the ultimate engine for small fighter aircraft.

Basics
Well, what everyone wants to know how powerfull it is. Well, with 30,000lbs of Thrust (afterburnning) per engine, I think that would more than likely answer thier question.

To wrap it up, the Dugahh-90 also is so compact, an F-16 Fighting Falcon could use it.

It comes in two version, the Completion and Purpose Versions.

They all have the same properties really, except the Purpose version, which will be the one for mass production soon, has a built in Superburnner ability. Which in normal terms means an Afterburnner, but torwards the nose, allowing great pin-point stops. This is very usefull for carrier operations, for the need for arrester hooks and cables are gone.

Also, both versions allow vertical landings/take-offs. The engine, in both versions, has 4 outlets for exhust. Two for the sides, one for rear, and for the intake located near the nose. Otherwise, there are no intakes.

Also, both versions have the ability to void IR guided Missles, by cooling of the exhust. With a built-in CEWL System, which has exhust pipes at every outlet of the engine, everything that leaves the engine is less than 30 degrees farenhiett of normal exhust heat, which aids in wording off IR missles, which aim for the exhust pipes becouse of heat.

Also, the CEWL systemhas exhust lines running through out the whole aircraft, allowing heat-senors to miss it. With a total of seven lines away from the engine, mianly around the weapons bays where the secound most amount of heat is built up, this is also a good diverter for Heat-Senors located at enemy facilities.

Well, this engine would not be usefull if it was very very loud, so we plain out made it so the exhust, which is also the sound, enters a small spherical chamber, which lets the noise recishae untill it exits, losing power and energy, making it less noisey, mainly to avoid detection by sound.

Of cource sight is a matter, and becouse the engine is inside the aircraft, this is no problem. Why am I bringing this up? To stress its compactability. The engine is so small that it is small enough to fit something as small as a Fighting Falcon as mentioned above. However, this brings me to the only flaw in the system.

Well, most people would keep thier mouths shut when taking about thier products and such, but I like to say any flaws there are in my systems. Of cource I shoot myself in the leg, but I've done it in real life once so it doesn't hurt my economy like it should, mainly becouse I have seven people on my free-trade list (I let only those who I can trust, although it is agenst my own ways to allow free-trade, I let it pass with a sertain few) that love my work, expecialy in this field, aviation.

Now back to subject, the one flaw. The tanks that hold fuel. Also, the fuel used is not jet fuel or anything else you would expect a fighter engine to use. With
low maintance in mind, and cheap usage, we mixed three types of fuels together to form a new fuel which only this engein can work with, and will tear up other engines. This fuel is called Pretlite, made of three solutions.

Solution A (80% of compound)
This is known as "Av Gas" All pilots know what this is. Yet, there are non-pilots and those who do not know what it is so let me tell you, it is fuel for conventional aircraft, mainly private pilots use this with thier Propeller based aircraft, with low pitches and so on, making a fuel more powerful than car gas, or Road Gas, but still has a max speed of 230 knots when used at its best.

Solution B (15.7% of compound)
This should tell you all what it is by the name. Jet Fuel. This is used in jets mainly, which there are different types, as with Av Gas, but as the same with Av Gas, the best is made and mixed. This at its best will add 500 knots to the speed of the engine with the other solution, making 730 knots.

Solution C (4.3% of compound)
Everyone should know this, expecially road racers. Nitroglicerian (Spelt it wrong). This can add hundreds of knots when mixed properly with Jet Fuel. However, we were planning a two solution, with Av Gas and Nitro, but found that engine fires were common, jet fuel when used just in the right amount can even out the harzards of Nitro of being easily engine corruption liguid, as called by Police to street racers. This allows a max of 650 knots onto the current amount of speed, which allows from 730 knots, to 1,380 knots. This is dangerous, and Pretite should be made by Truittian People only, becouse if it is mixed wrong, even off just one mililiter, the whole engine, with the fuel and aircraft, will blow.

However, the fuel can be substituted for Jet Fuel, however performance is lost, and so is the maximum thrust. We are also experimenting in Blastingburnners, which let in more Nitro to give a boost, but a correct amount of Jet Fuel is needed, this may take up to three NS years before this new 'Green Thrust" Fuel can even be tested fully with saftey in mind.

With this short discription, I hope you come to a desision.

This engine can be adapted to any aircraft larger than a Fighting Falcon, which that is what it was tested by, and has been tested by many other aircraft.

We automatically will install the engine in all your aircraft you wish, professionally, for a small price.

Packages

Ultimatium: ($100 Million USD)
Full Instruction Guide on How-To Install
Full Operators Manuel
1 Dugahh-98 "Completion"

Powerpack: (109 Million USD)
Full Instruction Guide on How-To Install
Full Operators Manuel
1 Dugahh-98 "Purpose"

Do it With Love: ($600,000 USD)
Up To 50 Engines Installed Professionally Per Package

It has finally come off of the market, but is not set for resell, production rights, and so on.

Now, as for the VTOL, it is able if you read about its exhust and systems. Interested?

OOC: Rockhound, the aircraft will be under development for about 6 RL days, but if you'd like, read the thread's parts about investment in the product--invest a few billion dollars now, and get significant discounts on buying the aircraft later, or offer to develop the airframe or avionics/flight control system, or invest up to $150 billion, and get liscenced to build the aircraft yourself! (A good deal).

As for avionics systems, I myself have a system for a piloted version if you wish to make one. It is currently used my the TF-55 merlin Hawk, and an ugraded version for fast controlling is on the TR-555 Black Falcon Recon Jet.

Interested?

The Commonwealth of McQuaide considers the MX-90 to be too small a design to be capable of carrying an actual pilot. To achieve the small radar cross section desired, the aircraft will have to be quite small itself, while still being capable of carrying a significant amount of ordinance. The Commonwealth is currently developing an avionics and flight control package that will be capable of three flight modes (AI control, mixxed control, human remote control), will be EMP-hardened, and have a limited-creativity-capable AI.

Bumpage. Come on, a cheap fighter that can take on the F-22 and be launched from a carrier or even an amphibious ship??

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150 Billion for the project.

150 Billion for the project.

Magdha's investment of $150 billion USD into the XM-90 project is noted and appreciated. Upon completion of the design and testing phases of the project, Magdha will recieve liscence to build the aircraft domestically.

This agreement is conditional upon the acceptance of the Magdha government of a military non-aggression treaty with the other partners in the project, McQuaide and Truitt.

150 Billion for the project.

Magdha's investment of $150 billion USD into the XM-90 project is noted and appreciated. Upon completion of the design and testing phases of the project, Magdha will recieve liscence to build the aircraft domestically.

This agreement is conditional upon the acceptance of the Magdha government of a military non-aggression treaty with the other partners in the project, McQuaide and Truitt.

Non-Agression treaty agreed to, I hope this can open the door to better relations.

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What is a soldier without equipment? Dead. So give that soldier a chance with the best of the best in firearms, APC's, IFV's
Fighters, Bombers, and keep them going with Cargo planes and Refuelers. Your taxpayers will agree you've done the right
decision by buying the best from my shop, with ultra competative prices

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151490

Upon review of Magdha's international record, the Commonwealth of McQuaide has determined that the provision of the XM-90 design to Magdha would be irresponcible at this time.

If Truitt aggrees, the Commonwealth of McQuaide desires to revoke Magdha's partnership in the XM-90 project. $150 billion will be returned to Magdha, as a reffund of their investment.