NationStates Jolt Archive

Ladies and gentlemen, I am the Secretary of State of Heraal. In the course of world history, the League of Nations had failed, and the UN is crumbling. Their regulations are anti-capitalist, and too overtly liberal. Something must be done against this.

I will give some very good examples, from their OWN RESOLUTIONS!

Required free basic healthcare should NOT be a right! However on June 5, 2003, the UN Required it for all member nations! This is hurting the Doctors who train so hard and long to finally make it in the economy!

Hydrogen powered vehicles hurt SEVERAL industries all at once! Automobile, oil, etc. Another example of anti-capitalism!

Basic welfare is required under the UN.

The maximum work week is 40 hours under the UN, which can hurt many MANY industries, and such places as 24 hour convenience stores, forcing them to hire more employees, which potentially puts them out of business due to lack of cash flow.

Although controversial even among UN members, they have made prostitution legal.

How about letting the PEOPLE decide instead of a bunch of delegates! This is bordering on Facism! Stop the UN at once, ladies and gentlemen!

Before I start countering your arguements sentence for sentence, let me point out you already posted an identical thread a while ago.

Nice to meet you. That's IRL history, which is irrelevent to NS. That isn't neccesarily a bad thing. What do you suggest this something is?

Examples of why they are liberal and anti-capitalist, I take it.

Doctors generally don't do what they do for money. A few do, but most do so to help people. So why should they care how they do in the economy?

Hydrogen powered vehicles create new industries too. Oil is obsolete, and automobiles meerly change designs, they aren't hurt. Nothing wrong with communism.

What's wrong with basic welfare?

24 hour convenience stores don't have that much of an effect on the economy.

Legalizing prostitution lowers crime while increasing civil rights and (gasp) the economy.

The people can vote too. The Delegates only have as much extra influence as they have people who support their opinions, which isn't fascism. No reason to stop the UN.

The Parliament of Aequitum has passed a resolution reaffirming our intention to stay out of the authoritarian, socialist UN. We strongly support Heraal's position and will continue our work to disband them and liberate the people of it's member nations from oligarchy.

ooc: Yeah I'm sorry I posted twice. But I keep getting a "Website Not Responding" error, because this server is SEVERELY bogged down, so I refreshed once, and bam, cloned posts.

ooc also: Unfortunately before I made this post my friend decided to apply me into the UN while I was outside at the grill, so if I get accepted god I hope there's a way to drop out. I'll try to do an in character scenario for...accidental UN application.

ooc: Yeah I'm sorry I posted twice. But I keep getting a "Website Not Responding" error, because this server is SEVERELY bogged down, so I refreshed once, and bam, cloned posts.

ooc also: Unfortunately before I made this post my friend decided to apply me into the UN while I was outside at the grill, so if I get accepted god I hope there's a way to drop out. I'll try to do an in character scenario for...accidental UN application.OOC: Your membership is finalized by clicking the link on the confirmatory e-mail. If you delete the e-mail without clicking the link, no problem. Besides, the confirmer can't bypass spam guards.

ooc: Good

in character:

Well ladies and gentlemen, I propose we form a true alliance that is against the UN! Where elections are still held by the PEOPLE OF THEIR OWN RESPECTIVE NATIONS, where delegates don't input their personal views! Where Capitalism and the right to true democracy run freely! Who is with me! Show your support and I shall found a region for the people of our great nations, where they may live the kind of life they want! Where Socialism doesn't intrude in their daily lifestyle, so there are no worries of your neighbor getting what is rightfully yours! Where GDP is high, and unemployment is low! Who is with us!?

-President of Heraal, joint speech with Secretary of State.

I say we should make a communist based UN instead of this democracy/autistic person controlled thing.

A group of delegates only go into a room, yell and curce, make a desision and kill a few delegates while in the prosess.

WHO IS WITH ME?

*pulls out M-58 Beretta and aims it at the UN's flag*

i would like to say
what the hell muktar
yes the doctors do it to help people but they don't go oh helping people i shouldn't get payed what i need to support my family and i went to school for about 24 years just to help people nothing else helps me i have a part time job as a teacher and i get payed the same amount wahooo.

They also cost git money money yeah we need to but you are enforcing a law to say the world is more important then you're lively hood ha you are so worthless we will enforce every thing on you until we have a hitler come and kill us then you're free to do what you like mahmah ha-ha because you have no right to control you're own business mahhahaha.
controlis written on you'r foreheads

Basic money sucking my freind yes we know they apply for jobs they don't have qualifications for but they need money becasue they are unemployed but heck we think commounism (which is worse then socailizem and that pretty dang bad) is great. i disagree you peice of ---- rember stalin hitler ring a bell deaf in one ear treid to take over the world from germany.

wrong you don't have to support their opions to take to make them regional delegats people do it casue its doing something.

what the hell 24 hour convenience stores do to have a big on economy rember wall-mart.

i say kill the communist

i am with heraal

i even know a guy whos done it before :) ill tell him

You are trying to make it look like communist nations have horrible economies. I have very high civil rights and an economy that has NEVER fallen below strong and I maintain a communist state. I have a better economy then some of these "Go Capitalism" nations.

But Truitt, the UN already heavily leans towards Communism and Socialism! That is why they need to be done away with! This is FOR THE PEOPLE!!!. Come people! Show your support for democracy, and your fundamental freedoms! National leaders, your people crave what the UN can't give them, and your economy craves what the UN sucks away from it! It steals the life and blood away from powerful economies, while imposing it's socialist/communist views on the people of nations, who had no say in joining in the first place!

i am a vet with this beware of evil gits and guys who say i am not going to bash you're anti blank philosssphiy but i will later (in truth)

Ah, but Mr. Delegate of Communist Louisiana, what about the political freedoms of your people! We want both, a thriving economy, and a politically active populous!

OOC: it was a joke, triing to sound like him...

IC:
Communists are not as bad as they come out to be. In fact, most nations that are communist come from a time in economic problems, leading them to have proverty stricken citizens and a worste off government, this is known as ether a Sub-Corrupt or Anarchic-Bringing Communist Government

When a nation in good form, say America, turnns communism, most citizens will be just above Middle-Classed, which isn't too bad. Also, communism at its pure form is total peace and no problems, Usally health care is free, and mostly evertything is, in most books that it talks about a perfect world, no currency or anything, it is usally a communism based government.

The whole reason communist nations get a bad rep is becouse they are these things:
Poor
Bad to began with
Major Major Problems before shift

Also, becouse of the communist system, it leaves anarchic revolt, and then a dictator rises. (To popular belife,Cuba is a Dictatorship, not Communist, it was once however)

So I close saying not all communist nations are bad, they still have presidents and such, just one party, which in the perfect form means no political rivalry, everything is covered int he one party that the citizens like, instead of Porr Man centering Democrats and buisness booming Republicans. The Communist System, Party, and Government is a good one, however, I wil say a good alternitive to Communism is Democracy. I just dont like to see people who barley know the real governments make desisiions on the past and present known systems. For once, see a nation that the government is not always on the news.

See Australia, Britian, Italy, Kazakstan, Argentina, Spain, they all have different version of Monarchy, Communism, Dictatorship, and Democracy than many know of.

We do have elections where people decide who they want to run their government. The Enviromental Party and the Nationalist Louisiana Party are strong voices in Communist Louisiana.

i sault heraal and will join his group as soon as possible

(all state ments by intrenational diplomat aproved)

Aequitum would like to take part in Heraal's "democratic, free alliance". We feel the time has finally come for this kind of thing and are pledging support to ensure our people's freedom against tyranny. We'd also like a few more details, if possible, on what powers exactly this alliance will have and how it will be structured. We appriciate your efforts to make the world a more democratic place.

-William Southcott, Foreign Minister

OOC: it was a joke, triing to sound like him...

IC:
Communists are not as bad as they come out to be. In fact, most nations that are communist come from a time in economic problems, leading them to have proverty stricken citizens and a worste off government, this is known as ether a Sub-Corrupt or Anarchic-Bringing Communist Government

When a nation in good form, say America, turnns communism, most citizens will be just above Middle-Classed, which isn't too bad. Also, communism at its pure form is total peace and no problems, Usally health care is free, and mostly evertything is, in most books that it talks about a perfect world, no currency or anything, it is usally a communism based government.

The whole reason communist nations get a bad rep is becouse they are these things:
Poor
Bad to began with
Major Major Problems before shift

Also, becouse of the communist system, it leaves anarchic revolt, and then a dictator rises. (To popular belife,Cuba is a Dictatorship, not Communist, it was once however)

So I close saying not all communist nations are bad, they still have presidents and such, just one party, which in the perfect form means no political rivalry, everything is covered int he one party that the citizens like, instead of Porr Man centering Democrats and buisness booming Republicans. The Communist System, Party, and Government is a good one, however, I wil say a good alternitive to Communism is Democracy. I just dont like to see people who barley know the real governments make desisiions on the past and present known systems. For once, see a nation that the government is not always on the news.

See Australia, Britian, Italy, Kazakstan, Argentina, Spain, they all have different version of Monarchy, Communism, Dictatorship, and Democracy than many know of.
international diplomat: "and its purest form is non existant

while CL said that, I would like to say something about the Communist Party

It has branches like the Democrat-Republican Party did in the beganning of the American Civil War. There was a Republican and a Democrat sub-party. In CL case, The Communist Party has Enviromental and National Louisiana Sub-Parties

You all have to remember. None of these governments in the world are communist. Marx says that one style of government is replaced by capitalism. Capitalism must come before a communist movement begins. If not, then they skip the most important part. Thats why Stalins industrialization and Mao's 5 Year Plan's failed b/c the nation has to be industrialized by capitalism to be tooken over with communism.

Secruitry of heraal are you gonna make the region or what

You all have to remember. None of these governments in the world are communist. Marx says that one style of government is replaced by capitalism. Capitalism must come before a communist movement begins. If not, then they skip the most important part. Thats why Stalins industrialization and Mao's 5 Year Plan's failed b/c the nation has to be industrialized by capitalism to be tooken over with communism.

Exactly. That is why I said America turns to Communism as an example, and that is also why I said Democracy is a good alternitive, before total industrialization and other thigns a nation must have an be controlled by the government, it takes people to make them and run them privately first.

Say what?
Watch your language.
The resolution doesn't actually say that everything doctors provide is free, just basic healthcare, and the government would most likely cover their personal financial losses anyway.

You seem to be getting off track and going into the flaming area, which is immature and not allowed in NS forums.

Hitler hated communism, and Stalin ruined an attempt at communism, so get your facts straight before making historical IRL references.

Delegates are the people in the region with the most endorsements by UN members, and the only way to get said endorsements is to get the support of the people in your region.

Wal-Mart could dissappear off the face of the earth and only the socker moms would miss it.

My nation is not only militarily superior to yours, but communist.

Well, I made a Pro-Communist region, United Communist Nations, but it is holding my puppets really. If anyone wishes to join, go for it! If I get enough people, I'll leave my current region and move full shop to CNU

Gentlemen and Ladies of this debate, I give to you the newly formed Capital Treaty League! If you are fed up with the UN, then Join our region! This alliance focuses on Economic boom, political freedom, and backing one another in the face of threats! When a UN nation faces a threat, the UN has to "vote" on it, and endless discussions ensue about what to do, even if the threat needs immediate action! This is for the better! Join the Capital Treaty League!

live well and prosper heraal you deserve it

lol catchey name

by the way basic health care free is still about two years so its still 24 (i was wrong its normally more sorry).

Its funny, we can explain communism and what not, but I am willing to bet none of them have ever heard of Smith's book "The wealth of nations"

OOC: Ummm I could bomb all your little countries to the ground o.O

OOC: Ummm I could bomb all your little countries to the ground o.ONo wonder all the n00bs want you dead...

Say what?
Watch your language.
The resolution doesn't actually say that everything doctors provide is free, just basic healthcare, and the government would most likely cover their personal financial losses anyway.

You seem to be getting off track and going into the flaming area, which is immature and not allowed in NS forums.

Hitler hated communism, and Stalin ruined an attempt at communism, so get your facts straight before making historical IRL references.

Delegates are the people in the region with the most endorsements by UN members, and the only way to get said endorsements is to get the support of the people in your region.

Wal-Mart could dissappear off the face of the earth and only the socker moms would miss it.

My nation is not only militarily superior to yours, but communist.

did i mention about a forth of the population is relying on that place and people whould notice just casue you'r being arrogent about every thing notice hitler = take over the world flaming = normal hitler = coummnist what you are thinking of is soicaailizem and by the way most endorsments does not = agreed with in all political ways

Thanks Heraal, we're moving there right away.

Gentlemen, I must continue my rally cry for members of the Capital Treaty League! It is imperative that we gain members, to oppose the archaic and overly idealistic institution that is the United Nations!

And Communist Louisiana, yes I have heard of "The Wealth of Nations". And might I add, Communism in its PUREST form, the true ideal that was intended, is not humanly possible. All people the same, no currency, everything done for the better of the community. This goes totally against human and animal natures! We are either leaders, or followers. This proves itself in the animal kingdom, with our great national animal, the Wolf! The Alpha wolf dominates! All wolves are not the same! All people are not the same!

Not sure what Adam Smith's book "The Wealth of Nations" has to do with Communism...

On the other hand, it seems pretty clear to me that few, if any of the delegates debating here seem to understand what communism really is, much less the topic of this thread.

And book's that might be important to read...

Plato's "The Republic"
Marx's "Communist Manifesto"

Oh, and since Comm. LA got away with mention "The Wealth of Nations," then I, in an effort to make myself look smart (just like CommLA did) will mention Maher "Influence of Sea Power Among Nations" (or something like that.)

again i must say heraal is most diserving to be long lived

Delegate from the Island of Rose, this is NOT a call to arms for these nations! It is a call to freedom! This call must be answered for our people to thrive and live better lives!

Proper grammar can really help your arguements, and your lack thereof is the only reason I don't tackle that post sentence to sentence. I don't know what you are trying to say before the '='s, but Hitler failed to takeover, flaming is rare, and Hitler threw communists into camps with the jews, gypseys, and homosexuals. I'll grant that nations you endorse aren't identical to your opinions politically, but they're close enough to be properly represented. Just like democracy.

repeat again (no we are not the same person)

Oh, and by the way, if Hitler was communist, than Opal Isle is a landlocked nation.

repeat again (no we are not the same person)Heraal doesn't flame and has proper grammar, so the thought never crossed my mind.

OOC: Ummm I could bomb all your little countries to the ground o.ONo wonder all the n00bs want you dead...

OOC: Actually there is no reason they want you dead, it's just a reminder so they can leave me alone o.O

Proper grammar can really help your arguements, and your lack thereof is the only reason I don't tackle that post sentence to sentence. I don't know what you are trying to say before the '='s, but Hitler failed to takeover, flaming is rare, and Hitler threw communists into camps with the jews, gypseys, and homosexuals. I'll grant that nations you endorse aren't identical to your opinions politically, but they're close enough to be properly represented. Just like democracy.
flaming = common ever read a contrevreisl issue topic flamme war

Questions:

Q1) Can we please try typing coherently. I don't like decyphering, so please, at least try.

Q2) Why are we flaming about whether or not stuff gets flamed?

Q3) What is the topic of this thread any way?

Those involved in flame wars quickly have some sense smacked into them, so if it gets common, it does not remain common for long. Opal Isle, I'm trying to beat flames with logic, and the thread is about how the UN is bad because it is run be liberal communists (just like Muktar!)

Delegate from Opal Isle, the topic is why we oppose the UN's socialist views! We have founded the Capital Treaty League to create an alliance of the nations who truly believe in a great economy, and political freedoms for the people, instead of having the Socialistic UN dictate many of your laws, even if your delegate votes No.

(Please stay in character on this one, people)

you want well typed stuff fine. heres something well typed flame wars turn into wars yes. smacking sense into them is all about who is stronger not smarter. simple and plain.

(sorry)

you want well typed stuff fine. heres something well typed flame wars turn into wars yes. smacking sense into them is the all about who is stronger not smarter. simple and plain.You want well typed stuff, then fine. Here's something well typed: Flame wat turn into wars. Yes, smacking sense into them is all about who is stronger not smarter, simple and plain.

As for the counterpoint, You misinerpret my saying 'smacking sense into them.' I meant people convince them to shut their yaps and think before they post, and that requires more intelligence than force. Can we get back on topic though? Or do you not have any arguements against my relevent points?

you want well typed stuff fine. heres something well typed flame wars turn into wars yes. smacking sense into them is the all about who is stronger not smarter. simple and plain.You want well typed stuff, then fine. Here's something well typed: Flame wat turn into wars. Yes, smacking sense into them is all about who is stronger not smarter, simple and plain.

As for the counterpoint, You misinerpret my saying 'smacking sense into them.' I meant people convince them to shut their yaps and think before they post, and that requires more intelligence than force. Can we get back on topic though? Or do you not have any arguements against my relevent points?
(out of persona sorry) and this started happening?

Hitler hated communist, why in the hell do you think that he invaded Russia? Hitler was a National Socialist. Their is a difference between national/democratic socailism and communism.

Communism is in nature. Some bee species preform a type. Such as the worker bees killing off the drones. Just like overthrowing.

Communism was also evident in Native American tribes where everyone shared everything and no one owned land so dont tell me it couldnt work.

P.S. If someone can prove Hitler is communist by either a Nazist or a educated person who has REAL proof I will give the nation who presents this info 1 trillion dollars.

Gentlemen! This is not a topic for you to discuss your political views! This is to rally the people who are once and for all, fed up with all UN Activity! They may claim it's humanitarian, but their want for control of all nations is uncanny!

Hitler hated communist, why in the hell do you think that he invaded Russia? Hitler was a National Socialist. Their is a difference between national/democratic socailism and communism.

Communism is in nature. Some bee species preform a type. Such as the worker bees killing off the drones. Just like overthrowing.

Communism was also evident in Native American tribes where everyone shared everything and no one owned land so dont tell me it couldnt work.

P.S. If someone can prove Hitler is communist by either a Nazist or a educated person who has REAL proof I will give the nation who presents this info 1 trillion dollars.
Loren (delgate) i would like to say that i am ashammed of were this world is going he was either a communism or a facism and guesse what socailizem (missspelled probaly can't be helped) is very diffrent from the realiteis of either (not the dreams just realities)

OOC: One of the most important tools of debate is the rhetorical question. Clearly, I know what the subject of this thread is, but I asked in a futile attempt to get the conversation back on to topic. *sigh*

More OOC: Wouldn't it be interesting if the Anti-UN group got enough support that it eventually became part of the game, similar to the UN, but another global legislation group?

IC: Opal Isle can not really understand why the fit of rage is being thrown about the decisions the United Nations makes. The Nations of that association joined voluntarily, have an oppurtunity to vote on their legislation, and the responsibility of abiding by that legislation. The only reason it would affect a non-UN country is if the UN had the crazy idea of placing an embargo on non-UN countries, but that would cause world war (OOC: And make the server extremely bogged down with all the warring going on). If you aren't a member of the United Nations, here is my suggestion: Rule your country as you see fit, after all, you are the leader. Don't let the United Nations intervene as it is not their role, especially if you are not a member nation. The best thing to do is make friends with UN members and get them to propose and vote for resolutions that a large part of our community will have to abide by. You are helping yourself by hating the United Nations. What you needed to do is play with a double-face. For instance, The Allied States of Opal Isle is not a member nation, but we do practice Active Darwinism. We would like to see a Mandatory Active Darwinism resolution passed in the United Nations as we believe Active Darwinism makes our globe a better place, so instead of making the UN members made, we try pleasing them. Hasty diplomatic actions like forming anti-world-peacekeeping-group coalitions is not always the best idea, in fact, it rarely is.

Out of Character (abbreviated to OOC): What started happening?

Loren: "we applogize are veiws are strong tho but we will try to remain on the grounds of the UN from now on"

i have an idea. If you dont like the way an issue is being voted on, why not quit the UN until after the issue is done. It wont apply to your nations.

OOC: people being convinced about stuff either they will have given in at the start or they will go down with their ideals. simple becasue in the world of poltics their is no middle ground.

Ah, but Mr. Delegate from Opal Isle.! We are not upset that they are an association that can be freely joined! We are upset that the people of the nations who join the UN, do not have a say in joining or not! The PEOPLE of these nations have NO VOTE WHATSOEVER on the laws made by the UN! The Delegates get to vote, but what about the people!

OOC: I wish this thread had a poll so we could take a vote and show Communist Louisiana that not only his information is not quite accurate, but just clutter. We aren't discussing the definition of communism here. The United Nations was called communistic. If I called you some sort of insult, would you sit around debating the true definition of that word? No. Communist has simply been meant for an insult as the author of this thread is clearly fed up with the United Nations (despite their having no power over him). Communist Louisiana, while I don't mean to outright insult you, or flame you, I would appreciate it if you created a different thread for discussing communism so I could teach you a socio-political lesson, but please, keep that clutter out of this thread.

Loren: "indeed it is very true if you say support a guy casue you agree with him on most things and then he ruins you're ideals voting for something you would vote against you are doomed"

Unless your nation is a totalitarianism of some sort, the choice of joining the UN, the diplomats you send, and maybe even the way the diplomats vote, should all be decide by the people of your nation. I don't see how the people have any less control over your nation's involvement in the United Nations than they do over their own domestic government. My nation however is a Dictatorship which I try ruling as justly and humanely as possible, but if I were to join the UN, the people would not be any more upset about not choosing that than they would be about not getting to choose their ruling. Although I've chosen not to join the UN as my people do not thing it is in the best interest of our nation for my decisions to be hampered by decisions discussed and voted on by an overrated committee of ultimately powerless decisions makers.


OOC: an overrated committee of ultimately powerless decisions makers.
---That's a pretty long name for the UN....

OCC: "by the way i don't have any thing in politcal freedom becasue they don't vote on president they have parliment delagates and such to vote on"

Loren; "no, no they won't if you are a republic you vote on the guys who vote weird isn't it. we have resreached docments of nations who were destroyed for what they belived. for instance check out some of the documents regarding the nation of vapmire when you see the miss spelled name of a topic with recruitment for non gay/un mebers (best i could rember bout name) (yes mebers is miss spelled on perpose) read the whole document.

The Heraal Secretary of the Economy would like to speak now:

As a small nation, it would seem we have nothing to give to the economic landscape of the world, however, for our size, our GDP is large. Our trout industry recently expanded its farms into the nation of Starblaydia, and we hope will continue to expand worldwide. We felt that under certain UN terms, it would limit economic expansion, and could limit yours as well. We invite the economically minded to join us in our quest for a truly great economy.

The Enlightened Dictator's Advisor on Foriegn Affairs:

As a small nation, we can understand that the nation of Heraal needs room to grow, however, by being opposed to the United Nations, you are not helping yourself, no matter which angle you look at it. I don't think that the United Nations will be barring fish farming or embargoing trade with Non-UN members any time soon, so you are safe there, however, if you make friends with UN members (this point can not be stressed enough), you will have an influence on UN decision without being affected by them, opening up even more room for the expansion of your fish based economy.

Update from Advisor on Foriegn Affairs:

Notice how I dealt with a nation's concern in my search for a place to expand my uranium exports. A country was concerned about the exportation. I dealt with them quite diplomatically, and while they've yet to respond, I'm sure that Opal Isle's relation with that country, as well as the United Nations in general will have improved. My basic advice is this (The Enlightened Dictator may be upset that I'm enlightened someone aside from him, but...): Make friends with UN members while stay in the safety of being a non-UN member. You can make your own decisions as well as expand your economy basically wherever you choose.

(EDIT: OOC: The name of the thread is "Uranium Market")

To the Advisor from Opal Isle:

In the end, this will end up helping everyone for the better! I respect your opinion and that of the Dictator, however I feel sorry for the people of your nation and their political lockdown.

The real problem with the NS UN is not that is oppossed to any particular political philosophy, but rather that it infringes upon popular sovereignty. The authority of the state is based upon the consent of the governed and by requiring member nations to follow UN resolutions that their populations do not support the UN tramples upon that right. Therefore, Srpska Kosovo has not and will not join the UN. If a legitimate anti-UN movement were to begin, I would be proud to join, but I do not want to leave my region. By the way, Srpska Kosovo is a democratic socialist nation, so capitalist democracies are not the only nations to oppose the UN.

Also, Sir Advisor. I like your diplomatic style of bargaining and trade. I am just wondering how long it will take for the UN to crack down on the uranium market, though. We would like to continue ties with your nation, and are wondering your (and the Dictator's) opinion of support to the Capital Treaty League.

To the representative from Srpska Kosovo:

We are glad to see someone from the other side of the spectrum agrees with us, and we would like to continue ties with you. You have been added to the President's Dossier, as a friendly nation.

The real problem with the NS UN is not that is oppossed to any particular political philosophy, but rather that it infringes upon popular sovereignty. The authority of the state is based upon the consent of the governed and by requiring member nations to follow UN resolutions that their populations do not support the UN tramples upon that right. Therefore, Srpska Kosovo has not and will not join the UN. If a legitimate anti-UN movement were to begin, I would be proud to join, but I do not want to leave my region. By the way, Srpska Kosovo is a democratic socialist nation, so capitalist democracies are not the only nations to oppose the UN.
Loren: "agreed"

Well, the UN has no authority to intervene on my Uranium Exports. There are legitimate, non-militaristic uses of Uranium. And I offered to cooperate with the UN before the UN even demanded to step in. The only reason I ask for Uranium Enrichment facilities is to make it easier on my importers and to increase my profits. I have no aim at developing nuclear tech. My people do not even want Nuclear Electric Generators on our island. We are currently working on greatly improving the reliability of solar power by developing a new method of generation, which our scientists call SolarMech, but it is still in the developmental stages currently. Additionally, while not all of the citizens are satisfied with the political lockdown, the only political freedoms they lack are the inability to vote for their leader. We have no congress or any thing, but the people have placed their trust in me and my enlightened judgment. If an uprising were to begin, I would invite citizens to my palace to have a discussion (as I do frequently any way) to find out what is wrong and what needs to be changed. I try responding to my people as frequently and as compassionately as possible. The people of Opal Isle are my number one priority. So I ask of you, don't judge a nation based solely on its political status. The best way to judge a country and its value to you is by its diplomacy.

Loren: "we applogize for anyone we might have offend as we stated earlier are veiws are strong and solid."

Secretary of Foreign Affairs will speak now:

To the Representative from Opal Isle:

We would like to formally apologize for judging Opal Isle's people without first hand experience and/or diplomacy. We would like to invite you into our treaty, and you will still be able to continue all of your trades. We may be anti-UN, but we have no problem with trading with member nations. (Some nations joined and now can't exactly back out and support us)

The real problem with the NS UN is not that is oppossed to any particular political philosophy, but rather that it infringes upon popular sovereignty. The authority of the state is based upon the consent of the governed and by requiring member nations to follow UN resolutions that their populations do not support the UN tramples upon that right. Therefore, Srpska Kosovo has not and will not join the UN. If a legitimate anti-UN movement were to begin, I would be proud to join, but I do not want to leave my region. By the way, Srpska Kosovo is a democratic socialist nation, so capitalist democracies are not the only nations to oppose the UN.

OOC: Where is the charter of the NS UN? If it is anything like the real UN's charter, then any resolution that directly infringes on the popular sovereignty of any nation is illegitimate and actions should be taken immediately to repeal those resolutions. (Which is quite simple, just make a new resolution that looks like this: "Noting that in the past, this organization has passed resolution contradictory to its own charter. Removes from this organization the following resolutions which have violating the UN charter: [list resolutions by number])

On this issue of UN/anti-UN, the people of Opal Isle urge the dictator to declare Swiss Neutrality. Therefore, as The Enlightened Dictator's Public Relations Representative, The Allied States of Opal Isle, shall join neither organization until further notice.

ooc: Since there is no populous code, the NS UN basically is 100% delegate biased, so therefore the people technically have no say.

Loren (he is a former pyschcologists): Minortity under majority is not true in belives a small belife that has a strong force behind it is stronger than a large one with weak forces behind it"

To the Delegate and Dictator of Opal Isle:

We are in no way hostile, we are mainly an economic and political rights treaty. If your opinion ever changes, please the Secretary of Foreign Affairs or the President himself.

Loren (he is a former pyschcologists): Minortity under majority is not true in belives a small belife that has a strong force behind it is stronger than a large one with weak forces behind it"

OOC: Like the Soviet Red Army in WWII. Seen Enemy at the Gates? Hehe.

Loren (he is a former pyschcologists): Minortity under majority is not true in belives a small belife that has a strong force behind it is stronger than a large one with weak forces behind it"

OOC: Like the Soviet Red Army in WWII. Seen Enemy at the Gates? Hehe.
OOC: "i am assuming you are not saying i am close minded. (i don't rember what you are talking about)

The Public of Heraal has shown a 91% Support rate for the Capital Treaty League. A parade was held in the capital city. Some people were carrying signs that caught the attention of the Media: "We love the Opalites!".

The Public of Heraal has shown a 91% Support rate for the Capital Treaty League. A parade was held in the capital city. Some people were carrying signs that caught the attention of the Media: "We love the Opalites!".

OOC: I hope that Opalites was a reference to my country, otherwise ignore this post.

Official Spokesperson for The Enlightened Dictator: The Enlightened Dictator is curious as to just how much information the people of Heraal were given concerning the talks between the two nations as the people loving the "Opalites" would probably be the 9% that weren't out in the streets celebrating. Additionally, the Dictator would like for it to be known that his people prefer being known as Opal Islanders.

Secretary of State will speak now:

The people of Heraal were told that Opal Island was invited to join the treaty and that is all. We'd like to apologize for our people calling your people the wrong term, but we never told the Heraalians (Herr-All-Ee-Ans, not like Aliens) what to call your people. It seems our people have shown widespread support for others joining us. We would like to correct our statistic:

91% In favor. 3% Unsure. 6% Opposed.

Polls In Dark Fututre
85% Approve 10% Don't Care 5% Opposed
to the treaty

It should be known that the people of Heraal are very politically minded, and seeing as it is a nation founded by Once-American Republicans, this should make their view more understandable.

Local pollsters on Opal Isle report:

98% against Capital Treaty League (CTL)
1% Undecided
1% Uninformed

72% against United Nations
23% undecided
5% for United Nations

Loren: "I highly recomned that every one shifts thrue the passed resolutions and porposals so that they can get a old and modern veiw point on people in the un."

We respect your people's viewpoints, Mr. Delegate from Opal, and we would never want you to go against your people. Hopefully we can continue friendly talk, and potential economic talk.

Loren: "wait you are telling me that not a single percent of you're nation is for the CTL (just using you're abrevation). that is impossible unless you throw people out if they don't agree. really it isn't likely to happen then either." if you are offended we applogize.

Let it be noted that the Delegate from Dark Fututre's opinions do not represent that of the entire treaty.

Let it be noted that the Delegate from Dark Fututre's opinions do not represent that of the entire treaty.
Loren: "evidently"

Local Opal Islander Pollster:

The science of polling: With a small and not-so-bustling population of 6 million, and not even all of that having been polled (a selection of about 100,000 was taken), it is not impossible that the poll reports that no one supports the CTL. Additionally, possible reasons that no Opal Islander supports the CTL is because the Enlightened Dictator, who is highly respected on the Island, has spoken out against its very existence to his people.

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The Official Spokesperson for the Enlightened Dictator:

While the Dictator has spoken out against the CTL to his people, he holds no personal grudge against its founder or any of its members based solely on their status with the CTL, however, the Dictator has recognized that the CTL appears to be a little bit of the "rebel without a cause" syndrome, which luckily has not struck Opal Isle yet.

Local Opal Islander Pollster:

The science of polling: With a small and not-so-bustling population of 6 million, and not even all of that having been polled (a selection of about 100,000 was taken), it is not impossible that the poll reports that no one supports the CTL. Additionally, possible reasons that no Opal Islander supports the CTL is because the Enlightened Dictator, who is highly respected on the Island, has spoken out against its very existence to his people.

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The Official Spokesperson for the Enlightened Dictator:

While the Dictator has spoken out against the CTL to his people, he holds no personal grudge against its founder or any of its members based solely on their status with the CTL, however, the Dictator has recognized that the CTL appears to be a little bit of the "rebel without a cause" syndrome, which luckily has not struck Opal Isle yet.
OOC: i tryed to say i thought you're nation was bigger earlier it is possible at you're size i was figuring you where a bit large computer couldn't find site

OOC: Now for "loren's" response
Loren:"rebel without a casue trade franchises are very helpful and that is mainly what the CTL is so i see no reasons why the CTL is a rebels without a cause group"

OOC: by the way you sound more like a king then a dictator opal

OOC: by the way you sound more like a king then a dictator opal

OOC: Do I need to comment on this...?

OOC: no becasue i looked up the defition the diffrences are purely cosmetic

We continue to invite all nations to join our cause!

and so every one knows it will be until heraal says otherwise

Loren "just incase anyone missed it the thrid time all nations welcomed except UN membersof course

Sick of the UN? Read this ...

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146905

Loren "ok we checked it out its ideas for restitant we know you probaly want us to join you're group what was it called the A.I.S., but we am not going to if you want to know why i am not going to tell you so you have to sit their and wonder why."

I received this email from Thracia, the founder of the Balkans, earlier today and I thought some of you may find it interesting.

"AFSoN, the Alliance of Free and Sovereign Nations, was an initiative formed by nations from The Balkans, Balkans, and another region named New Heaven.

Its goal was not really to form an alternative UN, but to form a group of nations that would pressure the UN, from within and from without, to respect national sovereignty.

In its glory days, AFSoN was also a trade and political alliance.

However, this alliance currently is dormant at best.

The alliance has a forum, at:

http://s3.invisionfree.com/AFSoN_Alliance

Sadly, no-one is posting on that forum anymore...."

odly enough no one has posted on it in 2 weeks it seems desrted to me