NationStates Jolt Archive

All space nations who are aware of the recent conflicts, you know that the Universe is not a safe place. The ESUS (whatever the heck that is) sounds as though it has the power to prevent the deaths of millions, even billions in the cold reaches of space. However, it does nothing to help the innocents of the planets of those who would stand against the peoples who wish to kill thousands, millions even. We must not stand for this outrage. All nations of space must help out Underwater Brethren and Terra fight off an unholy incursion by the Shivans and their allies.

The Federation of Germanic Worlds.

ooc: Please see the "war declared on Imperial Brits" thread.

ooc: Does anyone know what the ESUS is, and why it won't help?

The ESUS is the Extra Solar Union Of Systems. We do not assist UA because we have a large offensive against IB in the works, and we need every ship we can for the assault on subspace. (There have been proposals to help UA, but they are bogged down by diplomatic wrangling and a lack of clear tactics.)

How does a space-faring nation go about joining this ESUS? I'm sure the Fderation could contribute resources and ships when we are finished with the FSS IMO Reagan :lol: and the Carrier.

The ESUS was a fashionable club intended to regain the prestige of the Galactic Alliance without the problems allowing anybody in caused. This prestige was never gained and it quickly sunk into obscurity. Recently, the old alliance has been revived, but apparently in the image of its founder, The Mindset, an evil, imperialistic empire.
Those that want to join the ESUS once simply posted in the ESUS thread, and if you had never ever thought anything remotely resembling a homophobic comment The Mindset would consider letting you in.
The likely reason the ESUS will not lift a finger to aid their ally is because they're too busy sitting around telling each other how good they are. Be warned - several major ESUS members are known whiners and godmodders.

Okay... Go rant Thunderstraat...

I'm a space based race myself. But if you do not care forthe ESUS or the Shiven Imperium, why not start you own star alliance?

I'm a space based race myself. But if you do not care forthe ESUS or the Shiven Imperium, why don't some of you form your own star alliance?

It's not a rant as much as a propaganda session.
OK, I am a bit bitter about never being considered or told why not. For now I'm talking trash on ESUS until I'm informed enough to declare war.

The Extra-Solar Union of Systems - a glorious attempt to regain the brightest members of the dead Galactic Alliance. The Mindset, Jimathon, Klonor - who could dare resist it?
Those who could join it joined. Those that couldn't wished they could. But when the time came for the ESUS to show how much it could help-
It didn't.
The Grand Duchy of Klonor fell apart. The government that had operated the Klonor Ship Store for generations disappeared. Various squabbling worlds that had months before been peaceful provinces of a great nation fought each other.
And the ESUS didn't even comment.
Not even comment! The government fell and they didn't even comment!
I would advise nations wishing to join the Extra-Solar Union of Systems to change their plans. I would advise those that already have to leave. For mutual defense, I would recommend the Galactic Defence Alliance, the real successor to the GA, which often takes part in peacekeeping or defensive missions.
As for Thunderstraat, we are allied with the ESUS through the GDA. If the ESUS had ever attempted to show itself alive we would consider that alliance binding.
Some GDA members may still hold on to the thin wisp that ESUS support is. But I recommend they let go. I have already warned one of my allies, and I am prepared to warn again, that Thunderstraat does not consider their ancient treaties when friends are under attack.
Yes, friends.
Recently the Star Empire has allied itself with a peace-loving group of peoples known as the Shivan Imperium. We were warned that that might lead to war with the ESUS. We joined anyway. Who fears them? Who ever has?
The Star Empire of Thunderstraat has a long history of standing up for the right. We will defend our allies. We will defend ourselves. We will defend our honor.
-Fleet Admiral Jakob de Groot
The Imperial Thunderstraater Navy

The Extra-Solar Union of Systems has been an alliance that allows for the protection of its members and for civilization itself. When the ESUS is threatened by an enemy of humanity, which the Shivans are, the alliance will fight. The ESUS was an alliance that was originally created before the fall of the Galactic Alliance and did have members such as The Mindset, Klonor, and Jimathon. They were in both alliances.

Many alliances did pop up after the fall of the GA and were all under the impression that they were the rightful heirs to the power of the Galactic Alliance, including your coveted GDA. When the ESUS support fell through, all alliances were terminated as the ESUS appeared to be dead. It was only by the actions of Indra Prime that we restored the Extra-Solar Union of Systems alliance and proceeded to make it far better than it was to begin with.

Now we have more than twenty nations who have supported our cause and more are joining as the Restored ESUS provides a shining example of what allied nations can do when faced with a terrible disaster looming on the horizon. The Shivan Imperium are nothing more than a xenocidal race that is completely bent on destroying Humanity and all other forms of life in this Galaxy. They have already made one attempt to invade our galaxy with the help of Imperial Brits, but the ESUS was THE ONLY alliance that was willing to risk everything to save humanity. In doing so, the ESUS managed to defeat the Shivans in their first attempted invasion, with miminal losses for humanity.

The Galactic Defence Alliance did nothing to assist our fight against a species that is bent on destroying humanity. Again, we are faced with another shivan invasion and like before we will fight against this enemy of mankind and turn them away from our galaxy for good. We will prevail. If the GDA considers it honorable, to allow another species to destroy the race that you have so long cared for, then we do not want any part of their alliance and neither should you. The ESUS has defended the weak and has prevailed. Join us in our fight against the enemies of Humanity.

The Extra-Solar Union of Systems has been an alliance that allows for the protection of its members and for civilization itself. When the ESUS is threatened by an enemy of humanity, which the Shivans are, the alliance will fight. The ESUS was an alliance that was originally created before the fall of the Galactic Alliance and did have members such as The Mindset, Klonor, and Jimathon. They were in both alliances.

Many alliances did pop up after the fall of the GA and were all under the impression that they were the rightful heirs to the power of the Galactic Alliance, including your coveted GDA. When the ESUS support fell through, all alliances were terminated as the ESUS appeared to be dead. It was only by the actions of Indra Prime that we restored the Extra-Solar Union of Systems alliance and proceeded to make it far better than it was to begin with.

Now we have more than twenty nations who have supported our cause and more are joining as the Restored ESUS provides a shining example of what allied nations can do when faced with a terrible disaster looming on the horizon. The Shivan Imperium are nothing more than a xenocidal race that is completely bent on destroying Humanity and all other forms of life in this Galaxy. They have already made one attempt to invade our galaxy with the help of Imperial Brits, but the ESUS was THE ONLY alliance that was willing to risk everything to save humanity. In doing so, the ESUS managed to defeat the Shivans in their first attempted invasion, with miminal losses for humanity.

The Galactic Defence Alliance did nothing to assist our fight against a species that is bent on destroying humanity. Again, we are faced with another shivan invasion and like before we will fight against this enemy of mankind and turn them away from our galaxy for good. We will prevail. If the GDA considers it honorable, to allow another species to destroy the race that you have so long cared for, then we do not want any part of their alliance and neither should you. The ESUS has defended the weak and has prevailed. Join us in our fight against the enemies of Humanity.

OOC: Yes, but my race is not human (or even remotely human/ humanoid). We are Vertabrates, Endothermic ,Saurian bipeds. What of non-humanoid sentient life? Where do they fit in your ESUS?

OOC: 60%+ of my population is nonhuman. I am the Admissions director. nonhumans have the rights of humans.

Pray, what is your position on xenocidal humans (or genetic offshoots)?

Pray, what is your position on xenocidal humans (or genetic offshoots)?

OOC: Skeelzania, I do not think your race would be xenocidal, but rather merely racist, arrogent and bigoted. Actually, they remind me of the "Centauri" of Babylon V.

The ESUS was a fashionable club intended to regain the prestige of the Galactic Alliance without the problems allowing anybody in caused. This prestige was never gained and it quickly sunk into obscurity. Recently, the old alliance has been revived, but apparently in the image of its founder, The Mindset, an evil, imperialistic empire.
Those that want to join the ESUS once simply posted in the ESUS thread, and if you had never ever thought anything remotely resembling a homophobic comment The Mindset would consider letting you in.
The likely reason the ESUS will not lift a finger to aid their ally is because they're too busy sitting around telling each other how good they are. Be warned - several major ESUS members are known whiners and godmodders.

Hehe very true and the leader threatened me because I had time travel tech . he said he would attack me if I used it lol the ESUS are a bunch of bullies

OOC: 60%+ of my population is nonhuman. I am the Admissions director. nonhumans have the rights of humans.

OOC: Okay, you have conviced me. I may eventually join your ESUS. My race is only about 100 million now, but I know we will make powerful and formidable ground troops. I would at least like to have some use somewhere should my race choose to join the ESUS.

Pray, what is your position on xenocidal humans (or genetic offshoots)?

OOC: Skeelzania, I do not think your race would be xenocidal, but rather merely racist, arrogent and bigoted. Actually, they remind me of the "Centauri" of Babylon V.

Most of the time, yes. However, I just exterminated around 1 million elves in a vicious street battle, and our new mining company, SCARR, tends to liquidate planets without regards to alien life.

IC: Another somewhat unpublished disadvantage of the GDA is that they take a fairly high percentage (OOC: 10% IIRC) of your GDP. The ESUS doesn't do that. There is no entry fee that resembles a pyramid scheme.

Sskiss: We have a large number of ground combat systems, including numerous powered armor systems. If you need technical help (OOC: Or pics for that matter), just let us know.

TFU: You misuse timetravel technology. You corrupt timelines by going back specifically to change the way things should have been. (The little "war" with the UTA versus CorpSac and allies, as well as several other occassions.) Indra prime stepped in to prevent your nation from contaminating the timelines. It is not that you possessed time travel technology (many advanced nations do); it is that you misused it and forfeited the privilige to use such dangerous technology.


Skeelzania: The Alliance has no position on Xenocide or Genocide (Some are against, some are for.) If you were to join and fight a war of annhilation, it would be up to the individual members themselves if they wanted to assist you or not. I would, as would some others. :)

Sskiss: Also, non human nations in ESUS are given the same basic rights as everyone else, as defined in the alliance constitution.

Thunderstraat: One of Klonor's puppets has joined the ESUS. Specifically, SR-2010 (I don't think I got the number right, but oh well.) They are on a quest to reform the Klonor Empire, and they'll likely succeed before too long. So technically, ESUS didn't 'abandon' Klonor as you so eloquently put it.

Pray, what is your position on xenocidal humans (or genetic offshoots)?

OOC: Skeelzania, I do not think your race would be xenocidal, but rather merely racist, arrogent and bigoted. Actually, they remind me of the "Centauri" of Babylon V.

Most of the time, yes. However, I just exterminated around 1 million elves in a vicious street battle, and our new mining company, SCARR, tends to liquidate planets without regards to alien life.

OCC: Bah! Elves, who cares. . .it's not like it's a bad thing. . . :lol:

OCC: Centralfacehuggeria, you have conviced my race to join the ESUS. As for the military hardware, sure why not, show me - you can never be to powerful.

We are basically a primordial race, and are alright to be around - that is, unless we are hungry. . . :wink:

OOC: Okay. What kind of armor are you looking for? What do you want it to do? I'll do up something real quick as an example. (If you want an example of CF armors, check out: CFAC Infantry Equipment (http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showtopic=28))

Also, Thunderstraat: It's likely that your previous application wasn't mentioned because none of the ESUS higher ups noticed it. :wink:

OOC: Okay. What kind of armor are you looking for? What do you want it to do? I'll do up something real quick as an example. (If you want an example of CF armors, check out: CFAC Infantry Equipment (http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showtopic=28))

Also, Thunderstraat: It's likely that your previous application wasn't mentioned because none of the ESUS higher ups noticed it. :wink:

OOC: Question, can the armour be fitted to my species body shape? (remember we do not possess a humanoid body plan). Weapons as well, we possess three thick long fingers with no palm, and semi-retractable talons. Would this all cost extra? I did notice a discount for ESUS members however. Furthermore, our species very considerably in size (although male and females of each species are of equal size). The difference in mass can be as high as a 20 X or more from the smallest to the largest species.

Also, our species never developed or invented currency. However we do have a concept of trade. Perhaps we can tade raw materials for the weapons and armour.

Well, as we're always after helping out allies, we'll perform any modifications for free.

Also, if you desire assistance in coming up with your own infantry weapons and equipments, we can assist you with that too.

Lastly: Raw materials (specifically Tungsten, Niobium, titanium, and high grade steel) are an acceptable medium for trade. If asked, we can also ship you weapons for free, on the assumption that you wouldn't use them on our allies, and that you would assist the ESUS if asked for.

Well, as we're always after helping out allies, we'll perform any modifications for free.

Also, if you desire assistance in coming up with your own infantry weapons and equipments, we can assist you with that too.

Lastly: Raw materials (specifically Tungsten, Niobium, titanium, and high grade steel) are an acceptable medium for trade. If asked, we can also ship you weapons for free, on the assumption that you wouldn't use them on our allies, and that you would assist the ESUS if asked for.

OOC: My race would agree to these terms. All that's left is to tell me were I can join you and ESUS? I have some ideas for weapons that my race would develop.

Skeelzania also expresses interest in joing the ESUS. We might be able to negotiate a lower price for materials harvested by SCARR for other members.

Check TGs.

On a somewhat related note: here is a suit of power armor that I've begun designing for Sskiss' rather unique needs.

http://www.projectxenocide.com/public/CTD/Cpl.%20Facehugger/Sskissspecial.jpg

Check TGs.

On a somewhat related note: here is a suit of power armor that I've begun designing for Sskiss' rather unique needs.

http://www.projectxenocide.com/public/CTD/Cpl.%20Facehugger/Sskissspecial.jpg

OOC: great art, but still still way off. Too humanoid. Here are some links which give a better idea what my race really looks like.


http://members.aol.com/Dinoplanet/ther_gallery.html

http://www.prehistory.com/carnotau.htm

http://www.luisrey.ndtilda.co.uk/html/gigan256.htm

http://www.search4dinosaurs.com/pretimescovers.html

I see...Conforming to a saurian morphology like that will take a bit longer. (It'll take a while to find the right pic, edit it up, and upload it to my server.)

I'll work on it though.

I see...Conforming to a saurian morphology like that will take a bit longer. (It'll take a while to find the right pic, edit it up, and upload it to my server.)

I'll work on it though.

Remmeber the Velociraptors from Jurassic park? (especially the 3rd film) My race looks like that. Btw, I created the Sskiss back in 79' - 84' and knew of "raptors" since I was a child. As I've said earlier - definatly not humanoid. Perhaps a should have been more specific the first time.

And take your time, I truley appriciate what your doing. It's not a big thing. Don't bust your rump just yet! :wink:

IC: The Shivan Imperium does not have any misgivings with non-terran species, we will not attack anon terran nation unless we are attacked first. The ESUS is weak join an alliance which exists at the top of the food chain join the Shivans.

OOC: meh i know it has very little chance but look, future tech was boring before i came along. All the alliances were stagnent, most nations simply threatened war but now future tech has come alive on the forums, you only have to look and most of the time it is future threads that outnumber modern tech threads. So I guess i have really succeeded in giveing future tech a jump start and i only had to destroy 3 nations to do it.

IC: The Shivan Imperium does not have any misgivings with non-terran species, we will not attack anon terran nation unless we are attacked first. The ESUS is weak join an alliance which exists at the top of the food chain join the Shivans.

OOC: meh i know it has very little chance but look, future tech was boring before i came along. All the alliances were stagnent, most nations simply threatened war but now future tech has come alive on the forums, you only have to look and most of the time it is future threads that outnumber modern tech threads. So I guess i have really succeeded in giveing future tech a jump start and i only had to destroy 3 nations to do it.

((OOC: Hey, it's nothing personal, it's just I want a fight and if I fight you, I've got an enemy with proper grammar.
I have about a page of posts on the original ESUS thread asking, begging, and making threats to get in.
I never read the earlier threads - if indeed there were any - on the Shivans' first invasion, so remember de Groot has no idea what he's talking about. Don't say that IC, though.
And he's not speaking for the GDA, just acting like he is. Though Lapse and Comdidia would probably take my side from sheer bloody-mindedness.
I ignore Klonor's colony. There is simply no excuse for putting exponential lightyears down and saying you can travel it without even getting bored.))

The Shivans are no enemies of humanity. Some of my best friends are Shivan. Do not slander our allies.
The ESUS was created around the same time as the fall of the GA - and the bigger, nastier nations backstabbed their younger allies by leaving them defenseless. The Incorporated States of Magnus Isle, who had left almost all of their defense in the hands of the GA, were occupied by Thunderstraat's own Nustraat dynasty soon after Klonor disbanded the GA in disgust.
Disgust over the smaller nations he had pledged to protect.
The Galactic Defence Alliance - which, you may remember, you are a part of - never claimed to be the successor of the GA. In thoughts and actions, however, it proved itself worthy of the title. The ten percent of the gross domestic product it asks for is merely a donation - if it were required, then we would be much, much richer. My own nation does not even donate this much in full - which is why there is no GDA standing army.
And the Shivan Imperium-
How xenocidal can humans be? To ignore the evidence before their very faces. The Shivans attempted to colonize several unclaimed worlds in this galaxy but their cities were destroyed and their colonists brutally murdered. The ESUS was the only alliance so far immersed in itself that it exterminated innocents for its own greed.
The GDA did nothing to aid a massacre. We feel absolutely no guilt for that. The Shivans pose no threat. Or have not always.
If the Shivan Imperium feels that it must retaliate in kind to your murders, the Star Empire would feel no compunction to come to your aid.
We will join the fight against the enemies of humanity - the true enemies, the humans and non-humans alike that give the rest of the race a reputation for greed and callousness.

The Federation of Germanic Worlds condemns Thunderstraat for aiding and abbetting the Shivan Empire. The Shivans killed millions on earth, almost destroyed our allies, the United Korean Nations, and then, when the UA attempted to retaliate, the Shivan scum forced the evacuation of the UA Homeworld. The only reason that we have not been attacked is probably because they do not know the location of our homeworld. The only nations who know that information are:

The Holy Empire of Tomathria
The Interstellar Confederation of Juumanistra

The ESUS must act!

ooc: I may wish to join the ESUS, or attempt to start my own alliance.

IC: Those *millions* that the imperium have murdered were not the imperiums fault. In fact where is your proff that it was Shivan. Other races use Subspace travel so how could it be us. I demand to see proof.

The weapon that attacked Terra originated from shivan subspace, and the Shivans acknowledged. And then there are the shivan bodies lying on the Starbnocht, the ship that rammed you shivan vessel.

By the way, I did not capitalize shivan because they are undeserving of any form of respect.

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The weapon that attacked Terra originated from shivan subspace, and the Shivans acknowledged. And then there are the shivan bodies lying on the Starbnocht, the ship that rammed you shivan vessel.

By the way, I did not capitalize shivan because they are undeserving of any form of respect.

OOC: You will regret that. lol nah only kidding.

hah, like you could hurt me? um... maybe? okay, probably? OK OK! yes you could hurt us..........<whimpers away>

OOC: GZ i want that probe to either track your fleet to an outpost or something as iam wanting to unleash a new ship onto you. Its very very nice so just dam well accept its tracking you, it does not need to go to your homeworld.

All space nations who are aware of the recent conflicts, you know that the Universe is not a safe place. The ESUS (whatever the heck that is) sounds as though it has the power to prevent the deaths of millions, even billions in the cold reaches of space. However, it does nothing to help the innocents of the planets of those who would stand against the peoples who wish to kill thousands, millions even. We must not stand for this outrage. All nations of space must help out Underwater Brethren and Terra fight off an unholy incursion by the Shivans and their allies.

The Federation of Germanic Worlds.

ooc: Please see the "war declared on Imperial Brits" thread.

The Dominion of Kanuckistan would like to note that the ESUS constitution only provides for mutual protection, and that we did deploy a Battleplate to assist UA, which was almost destroyed by the very people whom it had been sent to help.

We are fully prepared, eger, even, to once again commit forces against the Shivans; it's simply a matter of locating their forces and aquioring methods of reaching them. Our experiance with their particular form of subspace is extreamly limited.

I propose we form our own federation. We could call it the USF(United Space Federation) We could use our power to help new nations and protect them.

HP, I totally agree.

Kanuckistan, that was an ESUS ship? Also, I offer the Federation Homeworld as a staging point for any attack against the shivans. Transmitting coordinates. Whatever you do, the coordinates must not fall into shivan hands. (or claw thingys)

IB, if you read my latest post in the war thread, we are continueing to the homeworld, Atheos. However, I'll have them change course to a Military World, so's you can cripple my military...

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I thinks its a good idea also. If federation is created, contact me

I like the idea of the Federation. However, at a later date I would like to come up with a new name. That name sounds kinda cheesy. Anyway, I will start a new thread with that name. Please find it.

If you are truly interested in saving lives, primarily your own, it would be prudent for you to ally yourselves with the Extra Solar Union of Systems Alliance. The ESUS is the best alliance to have been created since the Galactic Alliance. Our members are under a military aid pact as well as ironclad trade agreements between nations who are allied with us. At current count there are twenty eight member nations and we are growing every single day by the addition of new members. Apparently we are doing something right if we are gaining that much support that quickly. If you are interested in a peaceful arrangement, let us know.

IP, we will co-exist peacefully with the ESUS. We may even open trade and military agreements with the ESUS. We certainly are not going to attack you.

lol, no offense but even if you did attack us you wouldn't stand a chance. We were suggesting that you apply for membership with the ESUS. That way, both parties involved would be improved if you join. You would be protected by a powerful alliance, and we would get another member.

Hows about treaties between the ESUS and the USF?

We could do a treaty between us, but it would be easier to work from one platform instead of splitting up talent between multiple different alliances. If we worked together, we would be able to make a concerted effort to increase the influence of a single powerful alliance of nations and civilizations. I think that would be the best option for all parties. If you look at the list of allied nations in the ESUS, you will see that they are strong, powerful, and distinguished. The ESUS does not infringe on a nation's sovreign rights or abilities. There are no required fees or dues. Anything that is donated to the alliance is completely at the behest of the nation in question.

The USF will think about it. We'll send you a telegram eventually. We would probably wait a while before merging if we did at all.

At current count there are twenty eight member nations and we are growing every single day by the addition of new members. Apparently we are doing something right if we are gaining that much support that quickly.
OOC: That's what every ten-million-sized nation that drops into my region says.

So you are condemning the Shivans because you found Shivan bodies? That would be like condemning the humans because you found human bodies. The Shivans are not united in evil like you would think.
And I personally find it hard to believe that a weapon targeted at North America devastated Korea.