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today, Development Started on Project A-11 (Indigenous Fighter Program).

Engines;

the Fighter will be Powered by a single Oriel-III Totally Indegenous Turbofan. the Updated Oriel III Produces 29,000 Pounds of thrust, some 10,000 Pounds more then the Maximum Thrust of the Old Oriel II and J-79. the Oriel III is also 12% More Fuel efficent and 22% more Reliabale then a J-79. the Oriel II can produce up too 30,000 Pounds of Thrust in Extreme Situations.

Survivability;

the I-F will use an EJ44 Skipjack Ejection Seat. the Skipjack is a Brand new Indigenous Ejection Seat, and will have a 35% Higher Succesfull Ejection Rate then the Ejection Seat used on the MiG-23 Multi-Role Fighter used by the Air Force before the purchase of 150 F-87 Zvezda Fightrs from the ARSB.

the I-F will also use the HAEPS (Hostile Arctic Enviroment Protection Suit). Indigenously developed for the Unique Dangers of the The Jingoistic States of Urielikistan. it is Built to protect for Tempertures of Down too -220 Degrees Farenheit, and up too 195 Degrees Farenheit.

Electronics;

the Shadow Cat is an even further development of the old, dated AN/APG-66 Radar. it Uses Self-Cancelling Doplar, and it has Quite increased Range and Detection Power. it is very Expensive to Produce in our Nation, so we plan to Share it's production with a Larger Nation.

Weapons;

the I-F will have 8 Hardpoints (3 on Each wing, 2 on the Underside of the Fighter) to carry Matra Magic, AIM-132, AIM-120, and Slumber Cat Air-to-Air Missiles, as well as the UAI 550-Lb Napalm Bomb, the Mk. 80 Series of Bombs, the T55 and T56 Destructor Bombs, the BLU-109 Penetrator Bomb, BLU-96 FAE, Maverick and HARM Guided Missiles, Paveway II and III Guided Bombs, and the JDAM Series of Bombs. the Gun will be a 25mm Heavy Gun, a Cross between the Hard-Hitting 30mm Russian Guns, and the Lighter Weight 20mm US Guns. it is Projected that in the Future the B-61 1.0 Kiloton Nuke will be carried.

Statistics;

Primary Function: Fighter-Bomber
Builder: UAI
Power Plant: Oriel III
Thrust: 30,000 Pounds total
Length: 52 Feet?
Height: 13 Feet?
Wingspan: 49 Feet
Speed: About Mach 1.7
Ceiling: 55,000 Feet?
Range: Almost 1500 Miles?
Armament: 1 26mm Gun, 8 Hardpoints
Crew: 1 Pilot

1-Seat Light Multirole;

http://www.x-plane.org/users/morgan/Images/M212FDive.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/morgan/Images/M212DTakeoff.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/morgan/Images/M212ALowLevel.jpg

2-Seat Trainer/Intercetor;

http://www.x-plane.org/users/morgan/Images/MT212B2FlyBy.jpg

http://www.x-plane.org/users/morgan/Images/MT212A2FlyUp.jpg

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A very nice attempt at a first fighter, realistic, relatively cheap to develop and purchase. Perhaps use the US GAU-12 25mm gun system (used on AV-8B) then you don't need to develop your own rather unconventional calibre. Also you might want to consider making it single seat, as there isn't really enough workload for two personnel. Then of course you'd have to have a few dual-seat conversion trainers as well though.

A very nice attempt at a first fighter, realistic, relatively cheap to develop and purchase. Perhaps use the US GAU-12 25mm gun system (used on AV-8B) then you don't need to develop your own rather unconventional calibre. Also you might want to consider making it single seat, as there isn't really enough workload for two personnel. Then of course you'd have to have a few dual-seat conversion trainers as well though.

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A very nice attempt at a first fighter, realistic, relatively cheap to develop and purchase. Perhaps use the US GAU-12 25mm gun system (used on AV-8B) then you don't need to develop your own rather unconventional calibre. Also you might want to consider making it single seat, as there isn't really enough workload for two personnel. Then of course you'd have to have a few dual-seat conversion trainers as well though.

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OOC: Excellent first generation fighter! :D

IC: Would you perhaps consider selling this aircraft? Although the Adejaani Air Forces would employ this craft in limited numbers, mostly for training and aggressor squadrons, the funds could help in further development.

I agree, this is a well designed aircraft. You might want to reduce the missile-carrying capabilities of this aircraft a bit, weapons such as the AIM-54 are fairly specialized, and don't adapt well to other aircraft. The Tomcat, for example was built for the AIM-54, not the other way around.

Good work!

OOC:

Not bad for a first IC design. Keep up the good work.
JiangGuo

due too Serious problems with the AIM-54 Missile, it has been Dropped from the Armanent to be Carried on Board. instead a new Missile, Codename "Slumber Cat" LRM will be Developed. the Slumber Cat will use a Unique Active-Radar homing system, coupled with the R-115 Shadow Cat radar, the Engine of a Sky Lance, but uprated for a Longer Range, and the Warhead of the AIM-120.

OOC: for those who are interested, during our brief Independance in the mid 50s, before we where reconquered by Russia, we built a Licensed varient of the F-5E Fighter Named the Tiger Cat, powred by the totally indegenous Oriel I Engine. the Sky Lance was simply a licensed AIM-7.

OOC: Excellent first generation fighter! :D

IC: Would you perhaps consider selling this aircraft? Although the Adejaani Air Forces would employ this craft in limited numbers, mostly for training and aggressor squadrons, the funds could help in further development.

ooc: Thanks 8)

ic: We accept. in return for us Allowing you to buy it, we request you Help Produce the Shadow Cat Radar. w are working on a Trainer Version, as well as Refining the Shape of the Aircraft. we would Gladly produce Remote-Controlled QT Varients, however this fighter is Designed to Avoide Fughters and Launch Missiles Beyond Visual Range at Top Speed. in short, it is Designed not too be Shot down as Easy as even an F-16 Fighter.

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In the short term, the Adejaani Air Forces requires sixty of these aircraft...

For the radar, please clarify... You want a radar similar to the AWG-9 on the F-14A/B Tomcat, but with more power and resolution?

As for the airframe, that can also be done. Adejaani Government Industries (which is a major Aerospace corporation, working together with the Omzian Industries) has noted that a "Delta Wing" like that on the A-11 tends to lose speed slightly during high energy turns. The A-11, unless there is a wing redesign, will remain a great standoff anti air platform firing BVR missiles, but may suffer in a "dogfight".

For an airframe redesign, perhaps two versions.

• The A-11 as the specs say, but only for lighter weapons (Maverick, HARM, all the air-to-air except Phoenix etc)

• A two seat, two engine version, which is designed to be an interceptor and carry the heavy weapons like Paveway, JDAM, Harpoon, SLAM etc

In other words, a light multirole fighter; and a heavy strike fighter.

In the short term, the Adejaani Air Forces requires sixty of these aircraft...

For the radar, please clarify... You want a radar similar to the AWG-9 on the F-14A/B Tomcat, but with more power and resolution?

As for the airframe, that can also be done. Adejaani Government Industries (which is a major Aerospace corporation, working together with the Omzian Industries) has noted that a "Delta Wing" like that on the A-11 tends to lose speed slightly during high energy turns. The A-11, unless there is a wing redesign, will remain a great standoff anti air platform firing BVR missiles, but may suffer in a "dogfight".

For an airframe redesign, perhaps two versions.

• The A-11 as the specs say, but only for lighter weapons (Maverick, HARM, all the air-to-air except Phoenix etc)

• A two seat, two engine version, which is designed to be an interceptor and carry the heavy weapons like Paveway, JDAM, Harpoon, SLAM etc

In other words, a light multirole fighter; and a heavy strike fighter.

OOC: re-check the Stats.

ic: we have a Radar Design, but we need some one to produce it. also, a 2-Seat Varient is in Planning, but it will be a Single-Engine Trainer that could be Re-Designed as a Interceptor.

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Oh... Well, yes, we can produce the radar.

I'm just telling you what I know and what I'd advise. Having a single engine, delta wing, single seat fighter and loaded down will probably lose you pilots.

My opinion is that the A-11 should turn into a light multirole aircraft similar to the F-16 or F/A-18 (a second generation A-11 could supercede these two!) and build a bigger version for heavier attack and interception.

Oh... Well, yes, we can produce the radar.

I'm just telling you what I know and what I'd advise. Having a single engine, delta wing, single seat fighter and loaded down will probably lose you pilots.

My opinion is that the A-11 should turn into a light multirole aircraft similar to the F-16 or F/A-18 (a second generation A-11 could supercede these two!) and build a bigger version for heavier attack and interception.

OOC: A-11 is just a Project Name, meaning "Aircraft-11". so it is not the final designation. also, i designed it as a light multirole aircraft.

Currently, the fighter is undergoing re-design.

Well I still think that you should keep the aircraft as it is, upgrade it a bit and you'd have a very good aircraft against the F-16 F/A-18.

What are the specifications? Well, rather, what are the design goals? I can help tailor the design to help you.

Well I still think that you should keep the aircraft as it is, upgrade it a bit and you'd have a very good aircraft against the F-16 F/A-18.

What are the specifications? Well, rather, what are the design goals? I can help tailor the design to help you.

look at the first post.

the new Design has been finalized.

Marvellous! Now what do you want me to do?

OCC: where did you get the pics?

OCC: where did you get the pics?

OCC: where did you get the pics?

http://www.x-plane.org/users/morgan/morganaerospace.html

Marvellous! Now what do you want me to do?

dunno. i thought you where going to decide.

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Well, whatever you can't build (I think the radar is one), we'll do. So maybe... Avionics, radar and electronics?

Well, whatever you can't build (I think the radar is one), we'll do. So maybe... Avionics, radar and electronics?

Avionic, Radar and Electronics we can build in Small Qauntitys. however, not enough for the Eventual productio of maybe 160 of these (60 for you and 100 for us).

Yes, we can do that. How soon you want the deliveries? Or do you want to send personnel to my facilities and I do the finishings of the Adejaani aircraft at my place?

Yes, we can do that. How soon you want the deliveries? Or do you want to send personnel to my facilities and I do the finishings of the Adejaani aircraft at my place?

the Airframes will be Produced at the USI Aircraft Division in Romanska (our capitol). after that, they Are shipped too King Gregory Lake AFB, Where the USI-AD Facility there will Fit the Engines. they will then be Shipped too Adejanni for Avionics fitting, and then Delivered to King Gregory Lake AFB for Aquisation, or an Adejanni Facility for the Same Purpose.

edit: this is for all Aircraft, not just the Adejann ones.

Got it. We're sending along some ground staff and a bunch of oversized cargo aircraft to get the airframes to the main plants in Harrington City and then we'll ship "your" aircraft back and keep the Adejaani ones. Acceptable?

Got it. We're sending along some ground staff and a bunch of oversized cargo aircraft to get the airframes to the main plants in Harrington City and then we'll ship "your" aircraft back and keep the Adejaani ones. Acceptable?

yes. we expect the first UAF Wing to be Operational by early Next Year. Airframes and Engine are being built, with the 50th Airframe to be Completed later today.

ooc: "Later today" is like 1.5 minutes, "Early Next Year" is maybe 1 am Eastern Standerd time. will you be Online then :?:

OOC: Do it "automatically". Meaning I leave the process running and it'll happen. :P

IC: That is acceptable. The first transport aircraft should be arriving soon.

OOC: how did you get those pics of it? :shock:

IC: Very nice, but I prefer our F-66 Blue Racer.

OOC: Do it "automatically". Meaning I leave the process running and it'll happen. :P

IC: That is acceptable. The first transport aircraft should be arriving soon.

ooc: so basically Speed up NS time?

ic:

"this is King Gregory Lake Control, please identify your self."

OOC: how did you get those pics of it? :shock:

IC: Very nice, but I prefer our F-66 Blue Racer.

what do you mean? and what are the specifications for the F-66?

it was Ice Cold in the Urieli Tundra Zone (UTZ), at King Gregory Lake AFB. on the Permanently Frozen 113 Foot deep Lake, was a Large Box. just a Box. no one in the Ground Crew Knew what it was*, but it had been there since Yesterday. they just called it "the Box". one Suspicous Atribute of "the box" was it's unusual Size, some 56 Feet long, 60 Feet Wide, and 50 Feet Tall, and being built out of Alluminum, it was not your Average box.

Another Strange thing about "the Box" was that the Top Brass at the Base claimed that several Oversized Cargo planes where being sent to pick ip several Copys of whatever was inside "the Box" for Final Fittings. of course, by now, they had seen several Oversized Cargo planes in the Air, and they had Speculated that there was some sort of Aircraft within "the Box".

By then, a pilot had Entered the Box, and had taxied the Aircraft back too Behind the Main Hangers.

"this is Shadow Falcon I, Requesting permission for Take Off." the Pilot in the Aircraft Said.

"Permission Granted, Take Off if you Think you are Macho Enough." a Annoying, Monotone Female Sounding Voice Replied.

"Darn Computer!" the Pilot Hissed under his Breath.

With that, the Aircraft Readied it's Oriel III Turbofan, Ajusted it's Flaps and Aeilorns, and Began too Whir as it's Computer Started up**. it then toke too the Sky queitly in the Zone Marked "Restricted". However, 3 Returning F-87 Zvezda Jets where on the Horizon, and the UAF Escorts where following the Cargo Planes toward the ground. he Did some Fancy Manuvers, And no it was time for Bombing Tests.

he flew the plane over the Dummy Buildings, Droping the Simulated 550 Pound Napalm Bombs. then, 3 F-87 Zvezda flew out of the Southern Horizon, and hhe Pulled up Behind 1, But noticed that the other 2 where coming in on his Tail. he quickly fired a simulated Matra Magic at the Zvezda's tail, And Destroyed it***. He then turned at the Others, and Used his gun too damage one, bu he missed the Other. he was getting shot up with 23mm Gun Rounds, nd he Finally manged to get on the Back of the other Fighter and Destroy it with a AIM-120 Missile. he then Landed near the Adejanni Cargo Planes.

* means that the plane was top secret
** as Stated before, we can build Computers, but in Small qaunitys
*** it was Killed in the Simulation, like all other Fighters where Described as "Destroyed"

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Today, the UAF Put the First Wing into Service. 2 more Wings will follow, and Wing will be Navalized and Devlivered too the Navy.

The first Aggressor squadron within the Adejaani Air Forces stood up as well, with pilots commenting on their superior performance compared to the elderly F-5E Tiger.

The final batch of aircraft will be delivered back to Urielikistan shortly.

The first Aggressor squadron within the Adejaani Air Forces stood up as well, with pilots commenting on their superior performance compared to the elderly F-5E Tiger.

The final batch of aircraft will be delivered back to Urielikistan shortly.

we presume that it will be the 25 Navailized Aircraft. if so, they should land at Grand Bay NAS.

Think so, yeah... We just outfit them and send them on. If you need more, we can build more easily.

If you need more, we can build more easily.

not at the present time.

note: they would be identified as Navalized due to;

1: Stronger irframe
2: Tailhook

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