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For many years, the Reichswehr has had it's numbers set at 3,000,000 (even though, in all legality, it was supposed to be 100,000 according to the McLeod03-Attika Treaty of September, but they was ignored years ago). However, with the growing population of Attica, the Kaiser has decided to increase the size of the military ten times. Starting next year, a series of reforms will be put into place in order to bring the Military's numbers up to 30,000,000.

Starting next year also, many raw materials will be imported into the nation in order to fuel the nations industrial might, in order to produce the weapons and vehicles necessary to power the war machine.

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The United Kingdom of Austica

Government Statement

His Majesty's Government wishes to express it's concern at the military buildup of the Attican Empire, in blatant contravention of the McLeod03-Attika Treaty.

His Majesty's Government strongly urges the Empire to rethink it's decision of re-armament, and invites open dialogue with the Kaiser through Telegrams in an effort to resolve the situation.

By His Majesty's Command

Sir John Grey
Prime Minister

GOD SAVE THE KING

The army has had over 3,000,000 men for some time now :)

The Reichsheeresmacht has come up with a plan suitable to the Kaiser.

It is outlined here:

http://www.kuattech.com/AMilitary.xls

Basically, the size of the military will be increased from around 5,500,000 to 18,600,000. This change will take about two years to get men and to train them. The increase in required equipment will take about 3 to 4 years for the quote to be met.

Oh, in case you were wondering, this army is being raised to do two things:

1. Protect the Attican Empire, allies, and vassals;
2. Halt the spread of Communism and Fascism, especially in German-speaking countries.

All persons needed for the Military have been recruited. In due time, they will be trained for their specific roles.

"The so-called Attivan Empire is a disgrace to Athenians the world over. Your facist polices now coupled with blatent military expasionist policy have gone on long enough. The Consitituional Republic of Rotovia demnads an immediate halt to your actions or you will face the consequences"

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Fascist? Who is Fascist?

Fascist? Who is Fascist?OOC: Note, facist in it's true sense not in common use.

OOC: We aren't Fascist... we are a Monarchy. There is nothing wrong with rebuilding an army that is ineffective against your enemies.

OOC: We aren't Fascist... we are a Monarchy. There is nothing wrong with rebuilding an army that is ineffective against your enemies.OOC: I repeat, correct use not common use. Any form of Oligarchy or Monarchy fits the description.

OOC: Eh, well just remember: My nation is larger than yours. Attack me, I will win.

OOC: Eh, well just remember: My nation is larger than yours. Attack me, I will win.OOC: Correction, I'm larger. 1.641 Billion Attican Empire Vs 1.661 Rotovia.

OOC: Aye, but that my nation also includes the population of a nation I conquered long ago. Plus, I have allies.

OOC: Aye, but that my nation also includes the population of a nation I conquered long ago. Plus, I have allies.OOC: If you want to get into a pissing contest, I'd advise you get a raincoat. With Rotovia's Colonies, concquered allies, free allie, genuine allies, regional allies and subordinate nations...

OOC: Plus the fact of Attrition, the fact that a Defending army always has the advantage, plus the defense pacts I have with quite a few nations, plus the fact that I am pretty sure you use outdated American equipment, oh.... plus the fact you have to cross an ocean, in which the surrounding nations are all my allies, with two of them having given me direct military control. Plus the fact that all possible beaches are defended by seawalls.

OOC: Aye, but that my nation also includes the population of a nation I conquered long ago. Plus, I have allies.OOC: If you want to get into a pissing contest, I'd advise you get a raincoat. With Rotovia's Colonies, concquered allies, free allie, genuine allies, regional allies and subordinate nations...

OOC: I'll finish the sentence... you'd be toast. Not normal toast but a toast so toasted and squashed, you would be turned to carbon, and then diamond.

OOC: I really doubt I would lose a defensive war.

OOC: I really doubt I would lose a defensive war.

OOC: You'd be surprised.

OOC: I really doubt I would lose a defensive war.OOC: You want to test that theory?

OOC: Let me put it this way: Hitler had less than 2 divisions of soldiers in Berlin, the Russians invaded with over 2 million men. He held them off for a month. I have an Army of around 10,000,000 able to fight, and an already well defended nation, plus a multitude of allies, plus competent generals. You would have to invade with probably 3x my military, not to count the guerilla action from civilians.
It's your choice Rotovia. I am excercizing my independant right to maintain a military. Also, of course, if you do invade me, and somehow begin to win, I will always go last resort with nuclear weapons.

OOC: Let me put it this way: Hitler had less than 2 divisions of soldiers in Berlin, the Russians invaded with over 2 million men. He held them off for a month. I have an Army of around 10,000,000 able to fight, and an already well defended nation, plus a multitude of allies, plus competent generals. You would have to invade with probably 3x my military, not to count the guerilla action from civilians.OOC: Correct if me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hitler loose WWII?

He loosed and lost it, Rotovia. :lol:

Calm down ladies, wait till Attika actually does something before attacking him.

OOC: Yes, but I am saying that he held out against a force 100x greater than his for over a month, you would be fighting a military roughly the same size, on very loyal ground, still intact, with equal or better equipment.

OOC: Let me put it this way: Hitler had less than 2 divisions of soldiers in Berlin, the Russians invaded with over 2 million men. He held them off for a month. I have an Army of around 10,000,000 able to fight, and an already well defended nation, plus a multitude of allies, plus competent generals. You would have to invade with probably 3x my military, not to count the guerilla action from civilians.OOC: Correct if me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hitler loose WWII?

OOC: Quoting an example of an losing army that failed to actually hold the city? Come on...

You don't win a war by being on the defensive. (In extreme circumstances this can be wrong)

OOC: Yes, but I am saying that he held out against a force 100x greater than his for over a month, you would be fighting a military roughly the same size, on very loyal ground, still intact, with equal or better equipment.OOC: Well I'd like to see how it would turn out if the invaders were properly armed...

OOC: And the defenders. The majority of the soldiers in Berlin were Hitlerjügend, or the Hitler Youth. And they were armed with VERY old rifles. I have a modern army armed with G36 rifles and other Heckler und Koch weaponry. Simply put, assuming you were able to get by Coastal Defenses, the Luftwaffe, and the Kriegsmarine, you would have to get by in the Frontier, then get by in cities, and then survive the nuclear assault.

OOC: And the defenders. The majority of the soldiers in Berlin were Hitlerjügend, or the Hitler Youth. And they were armed with VERY old rifles. I have a modern army armed with G36 rifles and other Heckler und Koch weaponry. Simply put, assuming you were able to get by Coastal Defenses, the Luftwaffe, and the Kriegsmarine, you would have to get by in the Frontier, then get by in cities, and then survive the nuclear assault.

OOC: Don't you think a nuclear assault would be responded to in kind?

OOC: And the defenders. The majority of the soldiers in Berlin were Hitlerjügend, or the Hitler Youth. And they were armed with VERY old rifles. I have a modern army armed with G36 rifles and other Heckler und Koch weaponry. Simply put, assuming you were able to get by Coastal Defenses, the Luftwaffe, and the Kriegsmarine, you would have to get by in the Frontier, then get by in cities, and then survive the nuclear assault.

OOC: Or since you already told him that you'd go nuclear on him he could just nuke you first.

Aye, but as he said, I am a "Fascist" nation. If my nation was about to be annexed by a foreign power, I would rather destroy them and myself than be conquered.

And didn't the US have that idea too? Once you launch nukes, I detect them from space or ground radars, and I launch them in kind.

It's called MAD, or Mutually Assured Destruction.

It's called MAD, or Mutually Assured Destruction.OOC: At a cost of soemthing trillion dollars, I don't have that problem. Let's hear it for Missile Defence Technology!

By the way, when you fight a war ont he defencive there are four possible outcomes:

1) The defenders surrender
2) The aggressors give up
3) The aggressors are whiped out by starfish
4) The aggressors defeat the defenders

You cannot win a war on the defencive.

OOC: But once I "victor" on the defensive, I can go onto the offensive. The starfish one happens alot.

Also, NO missile defense system is perfect. If over 1000 ICBMs come to your nation, and you claim to destroy more than say 10%, its godmod.

OOC: But once I "victor" on the defensive, I can go onto the offensive. The starfish one happens alot.

Also, NO missile defense system is perfect. If over 1000 ICBMs come to your nation, and you claim to destroy more than say 10%, its godmod.OOC: 1000 ICBMs is a GodMod in itself. And getting back to our Berlin scenario, once you are surrounded, as a defender you cannot go aggresive.

Hey, Attikan, I would be willing to post as a modern-tech nation and assist you in any fight. Due in part to the pact we made.

Hey, Attikan, I would be willing to post as a modern-tech nation and assist you in any fight. Due in part to the pact we made.OOC: I bet you would. :wink:

OOC: The smartest not to mention best way for you two to have a war would be for one of you two destroy the others missile silos and then invade with normal army.

Hey, Attikan, I would be willing to post as a modern-tech nation and assist you in any fight. Due in part to the pact we made.OOC: I bet you would. :wink:

OOC: The question is, would you stay a modern-tech nation?

OOC: The smartest not to mention best way for you two to have a war would be for one of you two destroy the others missile silos and then invade with normal army.OOC: Yes, because I'm sure we have little arrows pointing to them :D

whats that supposed to mean? Huh? I'll kill you. Germans are some of the best fighters in the world. Surun Gir Chukura Ol. Go crawl in a ditch and die.

OOC: Defenders can breach thru your offensive lines and return to the offensive. It's feasable, given enough troops. Also, at the peak of the arms race, the USA had well over a thousand nuclear-tipped ICBMs.

OOC: Silos aren't that hard to find. You can't dig huge ass holes like that and have them be completly undetectable.

whats that supposed to mean? Huh? I'll kill you. Germans are some of the best fighters in the world. Surun Gir Chukura Ol. Go crawl in a ditch and die.OOC: Germans have a history of consistantly loosing until someone stuffs up, or one good leader comes along.

OOC: Plus, any sattelite designed to detect radioactivity (Gamma radiation primarily) can detect any nuclear object.

OOC: Also, don't forget, Germany won the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71, and only lost WW1&2 thanks the good ol' USA.

OOC: Silos aren't that hard to find. You can't dig huge ass holes like that and have them be completly undetectable.OOC: True, but the problem is finding all silos before someone uses them.

OOC: Finding them all fast enough is a problem. Thats why you also need a good amount of satalites and a bunch of super computers to help run them faster.

OOC: Plus, any sattelite designed to detect radioactivity (Gamma radiation primarily) can detect any nuclear object.

OOC: Also, don't forget, Germany won the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71, and only lost WW1&2 thanks the good ol' USA.
OOC: I seriously hope my silos aren't venting radiation... Let's remeber the Germans loosing consisanting and soundly to the good ol' Roman Empire... Zeus bless 'em. :cry:

OOC: Plus, any sattelite designed to detect radioactivity (Gamma radiation primarily) can detect any nuclear object.

OOC: Also, don't forget, Germany won the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71, and only lost WW1&2 thanks the good ol' USA.

OOC: You can shield against low level gamma radiation emission.

As for the Franco-Prussian War, Germany won against the French. Defeating the French is neither special nor especially hard.

Hey, Rotovia, WWI was a just war. We were fighting against those who killed our Arch-Duke or something Ferdinand. And, if stupid Hitler hadn't gone to war with Russia without properly equipping the troops, Germany would have won. But, the Fascist should have lost anyway.

OOC: Down in Mexico they celebrate their victor over the french with Cinco Di maio or however you spell it. In America we call that Wensday.

Hey, Hamptonshire, The French were once one of the greatest military powers on the earth. I am French and German mainly, so I would know this. The War of Independance would have lasted longer or even been lost were it not for French intervention. THe problem is the leadership and socialist practices and ideals.

OOC: Down in Mexico they celebrate their victor over the french with Cinco Di maio or however you spell it. In America we call that Wensday.I believe it's spelt Wednesday, not to be a spelling Nazi but that is a pet-hate of mine.

OOC: I agree that the French used to be cool, but now they are cheese mongering, wine loving, surrender monkey, and suck big time.

OOC: Technically, it wasn't the french, it was a French-Installed monarchy under Maximillian.

Also, the Romans worshipped Jupiter, not Zues. Zues was the GREEK god. Don't forget about the Teutoburg Forest. 2 entire Roman Legions were destroyed by German tribesmen.

OOC: Sorry. I am very tired and as I get more tired my spelling tends to sufer.

Hey, Hamptonshire, The French were once one of the greatest military powers on the earth. I am French and German mainly, so I would know this. The War of Independance would have lasted longer or even been lost were it not for French intervention. THe problem is the leadership and socialist practices and ideals.OOC: Actually you do have to admit there are periods of history where the French Army is a force to not be messed with.

A cursory review of French military history reveals the following:

1 - Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2,000
years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

2 - Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare: "French armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."

3 - Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever
lose two wars when fighting Italians.

4 - Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots.

5 - Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant but still
manages to get invaded. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

6 - War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

7 - The Dutch War - Tied. Dutch farmers and tulip growers are tougher
than they look.

8 - War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War - Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Francophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

9 - War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French
their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

10 - American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to
future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; " France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

11 - French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

12 - The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First
Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for the Russian winter, Prussian grenadiers or a British footwear designer.

13 - The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. For the first, but certainly not the
last time, Germany plays the role of drunk frat boy to France 's ugly girl
home alone on a Saturday night.

14 - World War I - Invaded, humiliated and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Winds up a tie for les francaise. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but
one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, the American fascination with
personal hygiene (a fascination totally foreign to French women) incites
widespread use of condoms by American soldiers, thus precluding any
improvement in the French bloodline.

15 - World War II - A decisive defeat even by French standards. Hitler and the German Youth spend Christmas time sleeping soundly through the winter, then arouse themselves to conquer France in six weeks. Hitler dances in front of the Eiffel Tower, while the French command staff retreats to Algeria to institute a crash language program to teach French privates how to say "I surrender" in German and French generals to say "We surrender" in German. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song and some small portion of the German work ethic. De Gaulle of it all...

16 - First Vietnamese war (in Vietnamese circles, known as "the scrimmage", or "the exhibition game" where the varsity squad is kept on the sideline to see how the second string will play) - Lost. French soldiers, fresh off their four year occupation by the Germans, catch a terminal case of Dien Bien Flu.

17 - Algerian rebellion - Lost. First time an Arab army has beaten a
Western army since the Crusades, and produces the first rule of modern
Islamic warfare: "We can always beat the French." A nice phrase, but it
lacks something in originality, since it is also the first rule of warfare
for the Italians, Russians, Prussians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish,
Vietnamese, Native Americans and capitalists.

That is from here: http://www.purepolitics.com/frenchjokes.htm

It is a pretty accurate break down of French military history.

Not really.


1 - Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2,000
years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

Explain how some unknowing tribesmen were supposed to beat several legions under Julius Caesar?


2 - Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare: "French armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."

She was French.


3 - Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever
lose two wars when fighting Italians.

The Carthiginians lost three, in the Punic Wars.

5 - Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant but still
manages to get invaded. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

Yes, mainly because the war was fought inside of Germany.


7 - The Dutch War - Tied. Dutch farmers and tulip growers are tougher
than they look.

The Netherlands had a powerful army and navy.


10 - American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to
future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; " France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

They only lent a Navy, and if it werent for that navy, the british might have won. They also TRAINED our troops.

12 - The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First
Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for the Russian winter, Prussian grenadiers or a British footwear designer.

Corsica is a province of France. And that footwear designed was an excellent tactician.

13 - The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. For the first, but certainly not the
last time, Germany plays the role of drunk frat boy to France 's ugly girl
home alone on a Saturday night.

Prussia has the most powerful army in Europe at the time, and France was forced to fight.


18 - War on Terrorism - Lost. Incensed at not being included in the
original "Axis of Evil," France refuses to participate. When it becomes
clear that this is a "no-kidding war," Jacques Chirac looks at his cards and
immediately surrenders to that old warhorse, Gerhard Schroeder. For good measure, he also surrenders to five million illegal immigrants from Algeria.

This one is just stupid and republican-biased.

I am a staunch Republican, and I take offense, Attickan Reich.

OOC: I mean in the sense that It is a bushism of being "Axis of Evil". I dont understand how Iraq plays into the war on terror, and I don't understand why we now are allowed to hate France and Germany simply because they didn't support our war on Iraq.

1 - Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2,000years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

Explain how some unknowing tribesmen were supposed to beat several legions under Julius Caesar?

Exactly.

2 - Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by a female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare: "French armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."

She was French.

Notice "Frenchman", She was a "Frenchwoman."

3 - Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

The Carthiginians lost three.
Notice I said it was pretty accurate. You still have to admit losing twice to Italian forces is pretty bad.


5 - Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant but still manages to get invaded. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

Yes, mainly because the war was fought inside of Germany.

Exactly.

7 - The Dutch War - Tied. Dutch farmers and tulip growers are tougher than they look.

The Netherlands had a powerful army and navy.

Thanks to outside forces the Dutch did, and methinks you are a little dull on the humor side.

10 - American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to
future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; " France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

They only lent a Navy, and if it werent for that navy, the british might have won. They also TRAINED our troops.

No, officers from Prussia, Poland, and Germanic states trained our troops.

12 - The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First
Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for the Russian winter, Prussian grenadiers or a British footwear designer.

Corsica is a province of France. And that footwear designed was an excellent tactician.

Corsicans consider themselves to be closer to Italy than to France. Napoleon himself considered himself closer to Italy than France. And yet again that humor thing...

13 - The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. For the first, but certainly not the last time, Germany plays the role of drunk frat boy to France 's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

Prussia has the most powerful army in Europe at the time, and France was forced to fight.

Prussia did have the most powerful army, but France was not forced to fight. The brilliance of Bismark and the ineptitude of Napoleon III put France on the path to war.


18 - War on Terrorism - Lost. Incensed at not being included in the
original "Axis of Evil," France refuses to participate. When it becomes
clear that this is a "no-kidding war," Jacques Chirac looks at his cards and
immediately surrenders to that old warhorse, Gerhard Schroeder. For good measure, he also surrenders to five million illegal immigrants from Algeria.

This one is just stupid and republican-biased.

Firstly, it is a joke. Secondly I did not intend to paste that as I do not agree with that statment. When I did realise it ended up in the post I promptly edited it out.

Mainly because they were lying cheats. They had interests in Iraq, along with Russia, all three being the biggest opponents to the war in the,...ugh..dare I say it... UN... <washes mouth out with soap> THe UN is nothing but a corrupt puppet organization. It has no value and will never unite the world.

Not really.


1 - Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2,000
years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

Explain how some unknowing tribesmen were supposed to beat several legions under Julius Caesar?

That's not the issue though is it? The issue is that they lost.

OOC: Nor will Bush's war mongering :) There was no reason to invade Iraq. Iran, yes. Iraq, no.

OOC: Anyways, what does this have to do with the political tensions between Rotavia and I?

As a side note, the Carthaginians never lost to the Italians. The Italians are decendants of the Latium Tribes that were conquored by the Romans, the Romans themselves were not Latium, though they did adobt their language and some customs as was common Roman Practice whenever they conquored a new civilisation.

OOC: Anyways, what does this have to do with the political tensions between Rotavia and I?

OOC: Most of your so called political tension is in OOC, so it's not really relevent.

absolutely nothing. But, if you need about 50 to 60 million good strong German and French troops, we will send them to help you.

absolutely nothing. But, if you need about 50 to 60 million good strong German and French troops, we will send them to help you.OOC:
1) Is that IC or OOC
2) That's a definate GodMod

OOC: So the germans will get unbelievibly drunk and the french guys will practice saying 'I surrender' in yet another language.

IC:

From: Kaiser Otto Kuklinski XIV
To: Rotavia

These tensions between are nations are unfounded, and could present the possible danger of war, which I am sure neither of us wants. Perhaps we could reach an agreement of sorts?

ooc: ic. And no. It is not. 47.5 million is 10%, plus at least another 3% because we are German and our would be allies in the war would also be German, so, no godmod.

OOC: Also, Rotavia, do you have a Map of your nation and your immediate region?

http://www.kuattech.com/kh.jpg

IC:

From: Kaiser Otto Kuklinski XIV
To: Rotavia

These tensions between are nations are unfounded, and could present the possible danger of war, which I am sure neither of us wants. Perhaps we could reach an agreement of sorts?

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From: President Dionysus Baccheus
To: Kasier Otto Kuklinski XIV
Subject: Diplomacy

Indeed, may I suggest an establishment of a dialogue between our nation to iron out the misconceptions and falicies before they place us in harms way[/code:1:329e1268e5]

[code:1:805e910305]
From: President Dionysus Baccheus
To: Kasier Otto Kuklinski XIV
Subject: Diplomacy

Indeed, may I suggest an establishment of a dialogue between our nation to iron out the misconceptions and falicies before they place us in harms way
[/code:1:805e910305]

[code:1:805e910305]
From: Kaiser Otto Kuklinski XIV
To: President Dionysus Baccheus

All right then.
[/code:1:805e910305]

OOC: Also, Rotavia, do you have a Map of your nation and your immediate region?

[img]http://www.kuattech.com/kh.jpg[/imghuge]

http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/17142/PMapF.jpg

http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/17142/Rotovia-Alternate.jpg

OOC: If we resolve this peacefully, I can add you to my map. We are always looking for countries to add (mainly because im trying to make an actual continent).

OOC: If we resolve this peacefully, I can add you to my map. We are always looking for countries to add (mainly because im trying to make an actual continent).
OOC: Maybe, I have to get around to finishing my mapping one day.

OOC: Well, if I add you to my map, I will take some artistic liberties and modify it a bit to fit the continents overall design and plate tectonics. Credonia was originally china, I modified it a bit. I could make a greek-like peninsula south of Credonia.

OOC: Well, if I add you to my map, I will take some artistic liberties and modify it a bit to fit the continents overall design and plate tectonics. Credonia was originally china, I modified it a bit. I could make a greek-like peninsula south of Credonia.OOC: That would be good, if you can keep the basic internal shape and location, namely that of Crete.

OOC: I will work on it this afternoon (Cant say tomorrow, its 3AM!!!)

OOC: Map is revised, http://www.kuattech.com/kh.jpg