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War declared upon Imperial Brits

Underwater Asylum
12-06-2004, 03:40
+++Begin Transmission+++
TO: ALL
FROM: UA MILITARY COUNCIL
SUBJECT: IMPERIAL BRITS
Attention, all space faring nations. Imperial Brits has devastated Terra, the thrid planet from Sol. This unprovoked act of genocide has resulted in Emperor Saa'molaas of the Empire of Underwater Asylum, supreme ruler of the Startopian Council Colonies, to pitch all resources of the SCC into a war. As you read this, forces are being mobilized. We are sending out this plea for help, because we can not do this alone. As Imperial Brits has no respect for life, no quarter will be given unless they surrender.
Sincerely.
General Sko'ash.
+++End Transmission+++
The Horned Rat
12-06-2004, 03:43
NO, don't kill him until after a rebellion is finished.
Underwater Asylum
12-06-2004, 03:44
We must act now, Horned Rat. There is no time to waste!
The Horned Rat
12-06-2004, 03:49
hey, let earth die if non-furred ones live ther, JKing, but he's a ruthless spieces, we need him to run around make schemes then botch them horribly. My race is skaven too, just so ya know, so I'll fight with humans, but I don't really like them...
Underwater Asylum
12-06-2004, 06:09
First Attack Fleet launched. ETA:119:34:07
Consists of:
50 light cruisers.
25 Transports.
5 Superheavy Battle Cruisers
Kanuckistan
12-06-2004, 06:34
The Extra-Solar Union of Systems is currently engaged in hostilities with Imperial Brits and his Shivan kin. The main issue is getting at the bugger; Kanuckistan alone could curb-stomp him if we could actually find him and deploy the Battleplates there.
Mekanta
12-06-2004, 06:36
"All Shivan assets currently exist in a Shivan Subspace. Locating them and attacking will be difficult."
BLARGistania
12-06-2004, 06:40
The nation of Blargistania is something of a new nation to space travel, we have several smaller crusiers at our disposal that can be used for light combat and police actions. We can dispatch one of them immedialty, the Shadow's Grace . Other dispatches will have to pass through the clearance of Fistani collective military council before deployment.

-Blargistania-

OOC: I just found out the pic is gone off the thread, but here is the original anyway: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140085&highlight=
Underwater Asylum
12-06-2004, 06:40
The SCC has experience in rooting out Shivan subspace colonies. They attacked our previous galaxy at one point, and we maintain information about every species we have ever encountered.
United Korean Nations
12-06-2004, 06:49
our Future Tech assets on Terra where devasted, and only our Underground citys of Terra-Undus and Terra-Manal have Survived. a wing (50 Spacecraft) of Warhawk Fighters have been launched from Vertical Launch Gantrys Near the former city of P'yongyang. they screech into space, equip with Booster Packs and 4 Fusion-Cobalt Anti-Capital Ship Missiles. they join up with the Light Cruisers Magellan, Orion and Neptune, and Light Carrier Mercury.

stats;

Warhawk Fighter;

Type: Heavy Fighter
Weapons: 3 45mm Chainguns, 2 Light Phasers, 4 Hardpoints
Form: Delta-Wing
Speed: 105 Units, 205 with Boosters
Electronics: "Jasper" Radar, Zina Camera System

Magellen Cruiser;

Type: Light Cruiser
Weapons: 100 105mm Chainguns in 50 Turrets, 65 Forward Firing Nuclear Torpeadoes
Form: Catarmaran Style
Speed: 90 Units
Spacecraft: 25 Warhawks
Electronics: "Horus" Radar Network, "Nene" Fire Control, "Proton" Advanced Command System

Mercury Light Carrier;

Type: Light Carrier
Weapons: 8 305mm Anti-Ship Railguns in 4 Turrets, 100 "Zipper" Anti-Fighter Missiles
Form: Submarine Shaped
Speed: 55 Units
Spacecraft: 150 Warhawks
Electronics: "Horus" Radar Network, "Tartar" Fire Control, "Backgammon" Battle Command Network
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 06:51
Although we are focusing our attention on the construction of another Bismarck Class Battleship, the IMO (In Memoriam Of) Raegan, we can send some ships to aid our allies of the Underwater Asylum. Four frigates, two cutters, two destroyers, and one light cruiser are under way to Terra, the home of the Ancestors, to await further battle orders.

Minister of Armed Forces:
Bergen von Burtenstadt
Underwater Asylum
12-06-2004, 06:55
Forces are being mobilized to the Torah and Sarum systems. They will act to guard those valuable systems from the Shivans, who will no doubt attack in several systems at once. UKN, GZ, all ships offered up are now under SCC control. They have been assigned to the second battlegroup, under direct command of Admiral Blimey Guvnor.
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 06:57
Do we need to get you stats? Cuz' I only got the frigate and cruiser stats, and those are subject to change.
United Korean Nations
12-06-2004, 06:59
Forces are being mobilized to the Torah and Sarum systems. They will act to guard those valuable systems from the Shivans, who will no doubt attack in several systems at once. UKN, GZ, all ships offered up are now under SCC control. They have been assigned to the second battlegroup, under direct command of Admiral Blimey Guvnor.

ok, in UKN Terms, what we have;

4 Wings of Fighters (3 on board the carrier and 1 split between the Magellan and Neptune)
1 Patrol Battlegroup

our full forces for future tech have 3 Patrol battlegroups, 12 Wings, and 12 Divisions (army Infantry, 10,000 men per division)
Underwater Asylum
12-06-2004, 07:00
All data on ships placed under SCC control is deemed useful.
Mekanta
12-06-2004, 07:11
A Mekantan AI walks past an open diplomatic channel, muttering.

"They're screwed. They'll really screwed."
Underwater Asylum
12-06-2004, 07:14
A voice came over the diplomatic channel "You reffering to the Shivans or us?"
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 07:20
Specs for Kaiser-Class Light Cruiser

Cost: 25 Billion USD
Dimensions:
Length: 2,000 feet
Height: 400 feet
Beam: Top: 160 feet
Middle: 360 feet
Bottom: 160 feet.
Crew Compliment: 700
Marine Compliment: 250
Assorted Personnel: 50
Total: 1,000

Fighters:
Meschersmitt 180-NASF = 10;
Gerhart ICF-10-NASF = 4;
Munich HWF-A-PBAF = 2;
Shuttles:
Hangar Bays: 2;

Weapons sytems:
10 Torpedo Tubes
16 Red Particle Beam arrays
16 Blue Particle Beam arrays
4 Yellow Particle Beam arrays
6 Ion Cannons
4 Anti-matter weapons batteries
8 Plasma cannons
Quantum Torpedoes
Tri-cobalt Torpedoes
Guided plasma bolt cannons
2 Gattling Anti-Proton Beam emmiters

Armor:
Duranium-Alloy Bulkheads
Force field energy deflection system
Harmonic Shield Systems: 800 MEPAAs
Phase Shield Systems: 2000 KPUs
Ablative Armor: 4000 plates

Propulsion systems:
2 Impulse engines
1 Matter-Antimatter Faster-than-light engine
1 Hyper-space field generator


The Verteidiger-Class Frigate

Cost: ----Billion Marks
Dimensions: Length: 600 feet
Height: 150 feet
Width: 80 feet top
120 feet middle
80 feet bottom
Crew Compliment: 60
Marine Compliment: 30
Assorted Personnel: 10
Total: 100

Fighters:

---

Shuttles:

Type 1 Shuttlepod = 2
Hangar bays = 1

Weapons Systems:

4 Red Pulsecannons
2 Red Pulse Beam Arrays
4 Blue Pulsecannons
2 Blue Pulse Beam Arrays
2 Plasma Cannon Turrets (Dorsal, Ventral)
4 Torpedo Banks
10 Plasma Torpedoes
10 Photon Torpedoes
10 Tri-Cobalt Torpedoes
5 Quantum Torpedoes

Defensive Systems:

Duranium-alloy bulkheads
Forcefield energy deflection system
Phase shield system, 1000 KPUs
Ablative armor: 1000 plates

Propulsion Systems:

1 Impulse Drive
1 Matter-Antimatter Faster-Than-Light Drive
1 Hyperspace Field Generator


Some stats may change by the time of Storefront Opening.
Underwater Asylum
12-06-2004, 07:24
The SCC thanks you for this information. The Second Battle Group will be departing in roughly 24 hours (RL)
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 07:27
By the way, if you'd like to help with the Raegan construction, feel free. The faster we get it done, the faster we can divert the entire fleet of 51 ships to aid in the war.
Underwater Asylum
12-06-2004, 07:29
Two transports, each filled with 250 Groulien engineers are on the way to assist. ETA for Aquitane: 12:30:09 ETA for Jasmin: 11:12:59
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 07:36
Thank you very much. The 500 workers will be quite a help. We already have about 90 million people working on it. 20% of our own pop. and a few million from allies. And, don't give me godmod cr*p, because the US had most of its 250 or so million people working toward the war effort in some way.

WWII, that is.
Kanuckistan
12-06-2004, 09:19
Have you TGed Imperial Brits about this? Can't have a war with someone unless they know about it, afterall.
Underwater Asylum
12-06-2004, 10:44
BUMP
Imperial Brits
12-06-2004, 10:59
IC: In the underwater Asylum home system a rift was forming, not just any rift but a subspace portal out of it came a Lucifer class destroyer ready and waiting to challenge this new foe. It's shields were raised and weapons charged, slowly its engines began to power up and it moved towards the challengers home planet. Out of it's vast bulk swarms of fighters emerged blanketing the destroyer. There would be no quater given, no mercy, everyone and everything would die.

OOC: You wont be the first person i have devastated but by the looks of how the war is going you may be the last.
Cam III
12-06-2004, 11:13
BTW, if you keep doing this IB you will be destroyed.
Imperial Brits
12-06-2004, 11:13
A voice came over the diplomatic channel "You reffering to the Shivans or us?" he ment you.

LOL bwahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, no seriously i have been facing alot more than what you are throwing at me, unless you retract this pathetic declaration of war you will find your entire homesystem covered by Shivan warships though the Lucifer can do most of it alone. Its simple, retract the declaration though iam not concerened at all or die. No wait a minute i will prefer your destruction. Oh and Cam III is in no position to comment i sort of wiped out all but 31 million of his people so hes a little concerned with his own safety at present.

IC: The Lucifer continues it's reckless course to your homeworld
Cam III
12-06-2004, 11:16
I will say what I want up to a point, soshut up imperial brits
Imperial Brits
12-06-2004, 11:17
Because iam a nice person i wont refer the mods to that blatent flame Cam III. I sugest you edit it before the warn or delete you.
Cam III
12-06-2004, 11:19
.........http://www.nationstates.net/forum/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif
Moontian
12-06-2004, 11:40
Well, now that we have working subspace drives, we can finally go hunting against Imperial Brits. So far, only a token force of 5 Heronmarks have had the new drive installed in addition to the normal hyperdrive. These ships will form the basis of an offensive to begin the hunting down of the Shivans.

To Imperial Brits: The time has come for you to be thrashed like the cowardly mongrel cur you are.
Cam III
12-06-2004, 11:43
I TOLD YOU SO! (IB)
Cam III
12-06-2004, 11:43
I TOLD YOU SO! (IB)
Underwater Asylum
12-06-2004, 11:48
On the battlestation Zircon, hundreds of cruisers laucnhed from it's docking bays, fighters swarming, it's onboard weapons ready. Planetary defences had been readied, and 7 superheavy battle cruisers closed on the Lucifer, supported by hundreds of cruisers and thousands of drone fighters. More and more ships were appearing in a steady swarm, recalled from across the galaxy
"Attention Shivan forces, surrender now, or be destroyed. "
Cam III
12-06-2004, 11:56
Psst, go for the engines, weakest point.
Central Facehuggeria
12-06-2004, 13:49
Transmission to UA: You're screwed. The Shivans will crush you like insects. It will probably take the entire ESUS to defeat them once and for all. But if you persist in your futile venture you should remember several things: Shivan capital ships are much less armored at the rear section, and most of their main weapons can't reach directly behind a ship.

The Lucifer's shields are invulnerable to conventional weapons. You'd need weapons that either A: Ignore or disable subspace shielding or B: Weapons that work in subspace. Shields don't work in subspace.

The main thing about shivan ships is that while their weapons are great, their armor is merely average.
Ekardia
12-06-2004, 15:18
Another subspace portal opened and another Lucifer theSD Moloch arrived in the system they would crush this enemy and move onto the next enemy that attacked them the Lucifer had weapons and sheilds powered up it just needed the others order and they would destroy this pest
United Korean Nations
12-06-2004, 16:26
behind the Lucifer, the Mercury and Magellen Exit Time-Space Warp. the Mercury launchs it's Fighters, and the Maggellan open fires with it's Nuclear Torpeados. the Mercury then begins fireing it's Railguns.
United Korean Nations
12-06-2004, 16:28
Transmission to UA: You're screwed. The Shivans will crush you like insects. It will probably take the entire ESUS to defeat them once and for all. But if you persist in your futile venture you should remember several things: Shivan capital ships are much less armored at the rear section, and most of their main weapons can't reach directly behind a ship.

The Lucifer's shields are invulnerable to conventional weapons. You'd need weapons that either A: Ignore or disable subspace shielding or B: Weapons that work in subspace. Shields don't work in subspace.

The main thing about shivan ships is that while their weapons are great, their armor is merely average.

UA is Older then Imperial. and our Smallships could easily keep behind the Lucifer at all times.
Central Facehuggeria
12-06-2004, 16:37
UA is Older then Imperial. and our Smallships could easily keep behind the Lucifer at all times.

And the ESUS is many times older than IB and it will still take the entire ESUS to defeat him. If IB was a typical nation, I alone could crush him. But he isn't. He's a Shivan nation. The shivans are pretty much subspace nomads. They don't live on planets.

The thing is that your weapons won't damage the lucifer in the least. Its shields are immune to conventional weapons, including nukes, plasma beams, and death sheep.

You had best reconsider before IB destroys your nation.
United Korean Nations
12-06-2004, 16:39
our Ships have stopped Attacking, and have Declared that they will leave in 15 minutes.
BLARGistania
12-06-2004, 20:40
The Shadow's Grace arrived out of a hyperspace vector in possibly the worst moment to do so. A battle had just erupted between the UA and Imperial Brit forces. It looked like the UA forces just had the other cruiser outmatched but the Imperial Brit destroyer had one nasty array of weapons mounted on it. Captian Jevorkian of the Shadow's Grace called an immediate red alert.

"Man your battle stations, this is a red alert! Enemy forces sighted. Repeat, Man your battle stations, this is a red alert, Enemy Forces Sighted!"

Ensign 1st class Thompson Presented Jevorkian with a quick-print report of the enemy ship. It was using sheilding that was impervious to most conventional beam weapons and projectiles. Jevorkian scanned the report and ordered an immediate firing solution.

"Chrage the ion batteries and shoot for an overload point. Try the engine quadrant"

"Yes sir, batteries charging"

The four big battery turrets lined up with the aft section of the Lucifer and opened up. Three foot wide bolts of blue charged energy began to pour out of the Shadow's Grace .

OOC: For those who don't know, and ion bolt is kinda like a directed EMP. It overloads electrical systems and shuts them down. The reason this would work against the normally impervious Imperial Brit shields is that they are a function of an electrical system and electrical nature, so, the ion burst would (supposidly) overload them.
Imperial Brits
12-06-2004, 22:23
IC: Sigh all shivan systems are heavily shielded against such devices after the GTVA kept on targetting our subsytems with directed emp pulses. Look UA i wont attack you because you are small fry to me, just withdraw your declaration because i dont want to ignore you and well quite simply i dont want to destroy you, but be assures my allies could easily take you out within a second if i requested it from them so be a nice person and simply cease.
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 22:35
The Captain of the Starbnocht paced the bridge. He scratched his chin and the two days worth of stubble that had grown. The light cruiser would be in orbit around the UA homeworld in less than four minutes. They had received a distress call from UA forces and had jumped from Terra immediately. Also in the transmission was that the shields of the IB ships were impervious, and only subspace weapons could damage the vessel. So, the ship’s scientists were working ‘round the clock to modify the sensor array to emit a subspace energy pulse. Tactical had also been working on the particle beams to try to find a way to shoot through the IB ship’s shields.

Commodore De Tua, who took command of the Bismarck during the Juumo-Federation war, stopped pacing and faced the holopanels and projectors. They would drop out of Hyperspace in a half hour, then create a wormhole close to the UA homeworld, and continue the rest of the way in warp, until they got in-system and would arrive under impulse power.

“Lieutenant, get me a report on the rest of the Battlegroup. I want to arrive there in full formation. The cutters in front, then the frigates, the destroyers third, and the Starbnocht behind the screen. As well as that, I want full deck launches from the destroyers and us.” The Commodore calmly ordered. After his surrender of the Bismarck, he got the feeling that a few people didn’t like him. But he knew that he had done the right thing.

The lieutenant replied without looking away from his console, “Yes, sir.”

Things were going to get ugly. Very ugly. The only thing that could be hoped for was that we would die with honor. One thing was for sure; there would be no reinforcements from Atheos.
Jordaxia
12-06-2004, 22:42
You misinterpret what was said, Germanische. Immune to any weaponry that does not work in subspace, not weaponry that involves subspace. Subspace is there natural habitat, it is unlikely to kill them.
Imperial Brits
12-06-2004, 22:43
THe Lucifer was now only 200km from the UA homeworld and still no resistance, an enemy cruiser had attempted to overload the systems however heavy shielding had saw it off. Each of the five vast temporal core reactors were brough online. The destroyer was now at full power, its vast flux cannons now ready to obliterate anything that stands in their way. (one shot from these cannons can take out an indran battleship so be carefull). Displacement arrays were now also brought online as well as the missile launchers. The enemy forces would face destruction.

Over the silence of black space a Shivan transmission which was obviously computer synthasised doominated the frequencies. "You have 4 Micants to surrender or die (10RL minutes this is to allies of UA, regretably UA will be fired upon) we are not your enemy, we are respondeding to a declaration of war."
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 22:54
ooc: Hey, IB, could you post stats for your lucifer thingy? Also, in another 56 NS years, when my 20 mile long BB is completed, could we have a fake or real war? I like war...

"Commodore, we have reached the magnetic field of the UA Homeworld's sun. We are dropping out of warp to Impulse. ETA: 3 minutes."

"Good," the Commodore responded, "All ships to Red Alert, All hands to battle stations. Charge all weapons, raise shields, reinforce them in the bow. When we get within range, we are to enter subspace and ram the Shivan vessel. I will stay with the ship to make sure it is on target, then eject in a LB once sure of its course. All other personnel are to evacuate to the other vessels before subspace jump."

"Yes sir. Orders have been relayed."
Jordaxia
12-06-2004, 23:00
Also, again, a slight misunderstanding (though perhaps on my behalf). It is not in subspace perpetually. It has a subspace field that hugs the shape of the destroyer. By ramming it, you would transfer yourself to subspace, where you would be dealt with. 1 ship in a hostile area never lasts long. Especially when they feel the ripples, and know where you were, rather like a splash on a pond. If however, you waited until the lucifer was in subspace before you attacked, you would be able to hit it.
BLARGistania
12-06-2004, 23:02
OOC: If this is late sorry. Also, don't take the following as sarcasm, I'm trying to find out more about the IB cruisers. Do you have about 2 feet of lead around your systems? Or do you have another form of EMP sheilding that I haven't heard of. If so, how does it work. You'll also have to parden me if I'm something of a n00b. I've had many other RPs but this is my first space RP.

IC:

"Sir" a Private from the bridge pit called up to Kevorkian, "We are being hailed by the enemy forces, they want us to surrender."

Kevorkian looked down at the crewman. "Surrender?" He asked with a sneer. "We will do no such thing. Ensign! Prepare the ships batteries once more, its time to open our full capabilities up. Patch me through to the IB forces"

"Yes sir."

Connect: localfreq; 1332456b-365
. . .uplink established. . .
. .entering voice matrix. . .
. transmitting. . .

"This is Captain Kevorkian of the Shadow's Grace We understand your response but we are acting in response to a hail for allies sent by UA. It is our duty now to fight you unless you withdraw peacefully from this sector."

/end transmission.

OOC: Whats the difference between subspace and the standard space that a space shuttle travels through? I always got the impression they were the same thing, that there was subspace and hyperspace.
National Commonwealth
12-06-2004, 23:02
-Interstaller Commonwealth Board Room-

Ambassador Delores: "We've just intercepted some heavy taychon signals. There's a conflict going on. I think we should get involved Mr. Premier."

Premier: "Excellent! This would be the perfect chance to test the new technology (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151898&highlight=) on those mysterious Vorlon ships we have. War counselor?"

Counselor: "The fleet is assembled: five Vorlon-class dreadnoughts and five Vorlon-class trnsports with support."

Premier: "I want them to intercept the Lucifer. Let's see how that bio-armour holds out and give them a taste of a Vorlon gravtic anti-matter beam."

Counselor: "Will do!"

http://www.b5tech.com/science/scale/vsd/sizematters.jpg
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 23:05
Ahhh... I think I get it, however, that kind of field would have to be circular or eliptic in shape... just a little quantum physics. But, in other words, it is a one-dimensional sort of wall, lets realspace things out, but sends things coming in to subspace.

In that case, we simply open another rift or wormhole or create a quantum singularity, oooooh, better yet, lets mess with time! We are working on a method of propulsion that stops time in a bubble, in order to travel even faster than 10x the speed of light, or in other words, we would be traveling in the third dimension.
Jordaxia
12-06-2004, 23:05
subspace is the opposite of hyperspace. In hyperspace, the speed of light is faster than ours. In subspace, the universe is smaller than ours. Real space (our one) is the standard. Both subspace and hyperspace decrease travel time.

The lucifer is shielded because the electrical pulse was redirected to subspace by the shields. Everything that touches them is redirected to hyperspace. They weren't overloaded, as they never hit.

This was all to BLARGistania.

Just to reassure you, I'm not IB. I just know his tech.
Imperial Brits
12-06-2004, 23:06
OOC: SUbspace is very diffrent from hyperspce as its essentialy a parrallel dimension to real space. Hyperspace is very similar but its not the same.

IC: " Enemy forces, we understand your need to aid your allies but we will not be deterred." The Lucifers flux now fully charged thrust a pulse of sheering orange light at the enemy ships. Striking the lead vessel the Lucifer then powered up its engines to full intent on ramming it. (i want you to feel the horrors of subspace). The Shivan destroyer fired its second and third cannons utilising all the energy generated by the five temporal cores on the ship. The Shivans would have their vengance.
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 23:11
ooc: um, okay, IB, will my ships be able to do ANYTHING to you at all? The ramming, subspace pulse, particle beams, anything at all?
Imperial Brits
12-06-2004, 23:21
OOC: Not really no. however there is a few ways to destroy the Lucifer in real space and you lack all of them. So ehh iam attacking you btw.
National Commonwealth
12-06-2004, 23:23
http://www.kitsune.addr.com/SF-Conversions/Rifts-B5-Ships/Vorlon_Dreadnought.jpg
Meeting heavy fire, RNCs Vorlon warships continue to advance while the bio-armour adapts to attacks. The ships requiring a large amount of firepower to for the shielding to fail (roughly 200,000 terajoules ) attempt to dismantle the opposing fleet.
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 23:24
IB, what exactly are these few ways. After this I may put some money into developing these systems.
Jordaxia
12-06-2004, 23:26
Check TGs GZ. I have told you.

(still not IB)
Central Facehuggeria
12-06-2004, 23:28
ooc: um, okay, IB, will my ships be able to do ANYTHING to you at all? The ramming, subspace pulse, particle beams, anything at all?

Your ships could fight against normal Shivan ships, just not the SD Lucifer class superdestroyers. Their shields are really tricky lil things. Anyway, The Lucifer class is extremely well armed, and is capable of destroying a planet (err...not completely destroying. Just making it uninhabitable by cracking the crust)
Imperial Brits
12-06-2004, 23:29
The enemy attack on the Lucifer simply passed through into subspace, one of the vast Flux cannons opened fire upon an enemy warships while the missile launchers were being prepped. "New vessels you have, five seconds to retreat of face death." The five temporal core reactors were now at peak efficency and power flowed through the Lucifer, soon displacements would occur."

OOC: gah another attack, I know what you are thinking Godmode but i only ever use 1 of these and the entire ESUS alliance accepts this. essentialy to destroy the Lucifer you must use a Corpsac singularity weapon and you need alot of them as iam no aware of them and i will displace them into nothingness. so you need alot of them.
CorpSac
12-06-2004, 23:31
OOC: IB i hope thats a Different Lucfier then the one i destroyed but i guess i might as well play with a new toy i made and is just been completed

IC:

3 Jump points opened behind the Lucfier, out poped 2 Ravanos Heavy Cruisers and one ship that handnt been seen by the Shivan or any other race for that matter.
a ship of unknown Class but had Bio organic Armor and weapons of massive power, powered by a Reactor still in Test phase, a Hyperspace Tap Reactor.

"Shivan ship you have 30 seconds to remove yourself from this system, you rember what happened to the other Lucfier the same fate is intailed for you" came over the comm on all channels.
"Arm HT torpedos, prep the Hyper Cannon on the Alpha target that ship" the Admiral ordered
"mam we're close to the planet the HT weapons might do a hell of alot of damage to the planet" the Tactical officer replyed
"i know we will fire the Hyper Cannon first then if hat does not work the HT torpedos" she replyed back to the tAc officer

the Alpha main cannon charged drawing Raw energy from Hyperspace a deep red energy build up could be seen at the front of the ship, befor the 30 Seconds was up the other 2 ships opened fire laying into the Lucifer knowing they could not damage it, volly apon volly of Torpedos were fired.
From the Alpha the pure anergy of hyperspace Fired slaming into the Lucifer from behind, the power of Hyperspace slamed into the ship anyone who looked at it would have been blinded brighter then the brightest star yet dark as space it self, but the Alpha was Crippled the HST reactor failed the fussion reactors kicked in but alot of systems were Damaged beond repair out of Dry Dock the ship layed adrift. the ship was designed for this perpus to take down a shivan ship and this was it first test.

OOC: IB befor u ask, i sent 3 ships cos im in a war (as you know) if i wasnt it would have sent an entire Battle fleet and not just the Alpha and 2 Heavy Cruisers and i was hopeing to use this weapon some other time, oh well i guess i will have to use the Beta (sister ship of the Alpha with some diffrent weapon) wonder how much power hyperspace has????
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 23:35
ooc: You know what, I need to finish my carrier, as it has a spacial rift weapon, and I may put some research into gravity weapons...

ic:

The Starbnocht (I can't get italics) approached the enemy vessel. They were obviously more advanced than the Federation was. The small fleet opened fire with pusle cannons, torpedoes, including quantumn torpedoes, (which constantly phase in and out or RS, so they would be able to hit the IB destroyer) and the other weapons. Fighters began to head for the planet to put up some sort of measely defense. The Starbnocht prepared for a ramming action. They would attempt to ram and disable the enemy vessel's shields, that way the rest of the fleet would be able to effect damage to the supership. In other words, the Federation fleet would be a suicidal one. But, it looked like the only way. At least UA and its other allies would be able to attack the IB ship then.
Jordaxia
12-06-2004, 23:40
It was not the energy of the weapon that done the damage, but the immense gravitational effect caused. This would envelop the ship, however, it would be sent to subspace gravitational energy, not heat,electrical,light,kinetic. Those are ineffective, and your weapon emits 3 of them (heat,electical,light) it does not have a gravity, so it is useless. Back to the drawing board, methinks. GZ. As I said before, your ship would pass into the shields. It would appear to melt into the side. In reality, it would be sent to hyperspace. A ship is no different to a railgun round, except in size.
Imperial Brits
12-06-2004, 23:41
IC: The resulting shockewave from the Explosion between the subspace and hyperspace energies was emense. The aft shields were brought down however the emergancy sheath shields were activated, the primary relays were overloaded and needed a short ammount of time to cool, the shields would be active again in fifteen seconds. The rear missile launchers now fully armed and loaded launched over 3000 micro missiles into the corpsac vessels; the anti-matter warheads primed for destruction. The displacement arrays were now fully charged ready to take care of any singularity topedoes. while the Lucifer continued to fire on the enemy vessels.

The swarm of fighters around the Lucifer broke off to attack the Corpsac ships, launching their payload of weapons over six hundred fighters swarmed like a cloud over the dark empires ships.

OOC: I wondered what you were doing corpsac on the forums and not posting, however really the subspace energy would do nothing however i like you ideas. Well i ask that you remain out of the UA has declared war on me and i dont take it lightly. If he was a nation that had a chance i would welcome it but he declared war before getting his allies lffets ready or anything soooo. Hes gonna die. Nice idea about the hyperspace neergy BTW. Cant wait to see you use it in subspace. (where it wont work lol) In reality the weapon wont work corpsac but for a nice post i let it take the shields down for a minute. Really it would do nothing Jordaxia my pall has expalined it.
Germanische Zustande
12-06-2004, 23:47
Jordaxia, I have the highest respect for you and your ideas, however, if you were paying attention, I am not going to stay in RS to ram. I am going to travel through SS via rift, and come out the otherside of the shields, you know, like Babylon 5 and other things. Therefore, I will be able to ram the enemy vessel. However, as I have no idea as to the size of the ship due to IB inability to post the stats, I cannot judge damage. Oh, and the Q torpedoes would operate sort-of by the same principal, except they wouldn't be there to be stopped by the shields. I hope that IB will acknowladge this viable attack and its damage.
National Commonwealth
12-06-2004, 23:47
Counselor:
"We are fast losing sir."

Premier:
"Try to contact the Vorlon ambassador. I know there has to be something large enough to challenge the Lucifer!"

Counselor:
"I will try my best..."

Twenty minutes later a jump point forms near the ongoing battle

http://koti.mbnet.fi/samis/hi/models/vorlon/images/vorlon-planet-killer_large_fp.jpg

Counselor:
"The Vorlons have dispatched their planet-killer sir. It will take 10 to 12 hours for it to fully arm."

Premier:
"This is great! Perhaps we will be able to use its firepower to cause maximum damage to the Lucifer. Try to hold the damn thing off until the Vorlon ship is can fire."
Jordaxia
12-06-2004, 23:50
The shields aren't very far out. Maybe 1-2 cm? If you could get exit co-ordinates that precise, then maybe.

National commonwealth. The amount of energy directed at the Lucifer makes no difference. It can and has hidden in stars before. You need an alternate tactic. Bigger guns, same energy = no difference.
CorpSac
12-06-2004, 23:51
It was not the energy of the weapon that done the damage, but the immense gravitational effect caused. This would envelop the ship, however, it would be sent to subspace gravitational energy, not heat,electrical,light,kinetic. Those are ineffective, and your weapon emits 3 of them (heat,electical,light) it does not have a gravity, so it is useless. Back to the drawing board, methinks. GZ. As I said before, your ship would pass into the shields. It would appear to melt into the side. In reality, it would be sent to hyperspace. A ship is no different to a railgun round, except in size.

not really my hyperspace energy is as powerful as the Expanding universe (its why i cripled the ship if it was as you sead i would have kept it as normal and fired a 2nd time) as my hyperspace is a bit edited then what its based on but of corse the power fired from the Hyper Cannon is a fraction of that power (like 1/100,000th of the power if not less) im not goin to complain tho as i sead this was a test i wasnt even expecting to damage it
Imperial Brits
12-06-2004, 23:51
OOC: a little bit of a god mode for a nation of your size but i have seen better. I prefer the shdows way of killing planets.

IC: The Lucifer no longer afraid of the Corpsac vessels began to ognore the enemy ships and turned towards the UA homeworld, The Vorlon planet killer would be too late to do anything.
Central Facehuggeria
12-06-2004, 23:52
You need a weapon that either 1: Ignores subspace shielding, 2: Collapses subspace fields, or 3: Generates enough gravitational pull to crush the Lucifer. (Like a CorpSac blackhole torpedo.)

You're screwed. :)

Edit: This was to NC.
CorpSac
13-06-2004, 00:03
OOC: well im waiting for him to destroy the planet befor i send in my BH torpedos (or as there now called Hyperspace Tears) and IB the Alpha is a one of a kind and will only ever be used on you and once its perfected handed over to the ESUS for the them to use, like i always say i just make the weapons i hardly use them.

IC:

"mam the Hyperspace Cannon had minimul effect" the tac officer shouted
"get the Alpha out of here" she barked
"they cant, Jump engines are down, main system are at minimul" the TO replyed
"bah mvoe our ships infront of it, send a Message to all ships in the Area tell them to fire all the torpedos they can at my mark" she ordered
"aye mam" the Comm officer and the TO replyed

OOC: the signal would be when he destroys the planet :roll: then you all fire and i fire and hopefully it will be destroyed or damaged you cant stop a hyperspace tear mm..best make shore my ships are not in range of it

IC:

the Ravanos Hvy Cruisers moved infront of the alpha, fireing all there weapons inculdeing anti matter missiles and anti matter muti missiles. it would be 10 minute befor a tow ship could get here to take the alpha away till then it had to make do
National Commonwealth
13-06-2004, 00:03
OOC: This is impossible. I'm trying my best not to god mod.

IC:
War Counselor:
"I think it's time to give up."

Premier:
"Are you kidding me! You are effectively relieved of command. Leave, now! The UA homeworld is going to be crushed if we can't think of something right now!"

Quiet Advisor:
"Sir, erm...I read a report suggesting the feasibility of a boarding party. If we could somehow get a small deffensive group on board, we could set an anti-gravitic mine. It's total suicide, buh.."

Premier:
"It's utterly ridiculous. But I like you, son. What do we have?"

Random Board Member:
"A death sentence!"
Imperial Brits
13-06-2004, 00:08
OOC: lol the lucifer is almost impossible to destroy in real space thats what its designed for. The Esus allaiance and the rest of NS accept it, its a huge challenge. but remember UA brought this on himself, but iam not going to blow up his planet cause iam a nice guy iam just going to orbit it a few times and let his defences take pot shots at me. The Lucifer can be killed nut its just really really difficult. Oh by the way no one actualy knows how my shields work so if you intend to copy it it will be ignored. All the info you have been given is OOC. and if your nation suddenly has a bright idea it will be ignored because only shivan can survive the field for some reasons etc etc.

oh beaming onto the Lucifer wont work and its a really bad idea, heres a little info on the shivans.

http://freespace.volitionwatch.com/techfs/fs1/shivan.jpg

Despite what information we've been able to obtain, Shivans still remain, on many levels, an enigma to both the Terrans and the Vasudans. Their origin and their destination remain unknown. While many have offered up possible explanations as to why the Shivans seem focused on the destruction of all other sentient species, we still do not know why they seem bent on total xenocide.

Shivans have multiple eyes, some of which seem to have the function of compound eyes, not unlike some varieties of insects. Shivans also have five legs, and can run equally well over a floor or over a ceiling. It has been hypothesized that Shivans may have spent their evolutionary process in a zero-gravity environment. Each Shivan leg ends in a very strong claw, capable of crushing even the sturdiest of known alloys. Parts of their thorax seem to act as compartments, such as ones that might be found on a space suit. It has been suggested that what we have actually seen have been either robots or organic creatures in some sort of exo-skeleton. However, we have, at present, no reason to support either hypothesis. Most likely, we will not learn anything more about the Shivan species until we have actually captured and studied a Shivan.
National Commonwealth
13-06-2004, 00:09
RNC doesn't go in small. Preparing for the worst, we are sending five deffensive landing parties towards the Lucifer. They are being escorted by fifteen Vorlon-class fighters. They will each attempt to gain access to the ship to load a mine frm within. We expect no landing group to make it onto the ship. However, we have faith in our forces.
Imperial Brits
13-06-2004, 00:12
bump so you can see the edited version.

transporting wont work as you cant establish a lock etc etc etc. If it were that simplr it would not be named the lucifer.
Imperial Brits
13-06-2004, 00:13
Germanische Zustande
13-06-2004, 00:21
ooc: if u're goin to use this tech, I will too.


ic: The fleet had been working on calculating a pinpoint jump right up next to the enemy vessel. Only four had ever been successfully made. THe others didn't fare to well.

The tech crew of the Starbnocht was trying to modify the subspace pulse to revert the IB destroyer into subspace where it could be dealt with. So far it would be another 20 minutes before it was ready. Until then the Quantum torpedoes would have to do most of the damage to the enemy ship.

"Sir! We have a course plotted!" the helmsman shouted.

"Very good, ensign." The commodore reached over and opened the inter-ship comm channel. "Attention, all hands are to abandon ship, all hands are to abandon ship."

All around the ship the crew headed for the molar-shaped escape craft. Klaxons sounded, and the vessel prepared to make a pinpoint jump to ram the enemy vessel.

The Starbnocht (the death night) disappeared into subspace. A few seconds later it emerged succesfully only .5 cm from the hull of the IB vessel. The pointed prow of the cruiser plowed into the side of the enemy ship.

On the bridge, deep within the ship, the Commodore ran for the nearest Escape pod. He leapt into the small craft, and just as the cruiser collided with the IB destroyer, he hit the launch button. The pod rocketed out of the hull and headed for the fleet.

ooc: the plowing may be a little declaration of losses, but i'll let IB take care of that. Also, God wanted that jump to succeed, I guess.
Balrogga
13-06-2004, 00:23
By the way, if you'd like to help with the Raegan construction, feel free. The faster we get it done, the faster we can divert the entire fleet of 51 ships to aid in the war.

If you give me your location I can dispatch some of my Mobile Factories to help you in your construction.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v248/beldragos/mobile_factory.jpg

Also, I can give you a device I developed a few years ago. It is called an Eldritch Bomb. It has not been tested. It is basically an Eldritch Reactor set on overload. Eldritch Reactors emit raw magic and has the tendacy to smother technology. It has the range of a few miles so be careful.

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v248/beldragos/ebomb.jpg

OOC: developed it on the regional boards along with Hybred Technology that functions in a magical area. I am not sure if it will help with the sheilding but if it does then so be it. If not, it was worth a try.
National Commonwealth
13-06-2004, 00:27
OCC: If this doesn't have any effect. I'm pretty much done...

IC:

Premier:
"Alright, so they blow up all of landing parties. That was a stupid move anyway. 'Sigh' Okay. How many licensed telepaths do we currently have available?

Makeshift Advisor:
"Well sir, I believe we can manage to assemble 178 P5+ telepaths, whom are currently enroute to Eness. They can get to the conflict in a little under twenty minutes."

Premier:
"I want them to focus all of their energy onto the Lucifer and the beings inside. We are going to try and weaken their defences."
CorpSac
13-06-2004, 00:28
OOC: i shot my self in the foot with the Hyper Cannon :cry: its power is Gervermetic not light etc if it was my Hyperspace Tear Torpedos wouldnt work oh well cant change it now, must remmber to read the right notes it was reading the Hyperspace bomb (not to be used till i hit a pop of 1.5-1.75) notes not the Hyper Cannon (unfinished) oh well my bad, still it was just a test and i never really wanted to destroy the lucifer (what stop a battle there and then) and IB i dont see how any of your shivan ships can know of HT torpedos as the only ship to see it was destroyed
Germanische Zustande
13-06-2004, 00:30
Umm... Balrogga, we already have over 90 million people working on the ship. About 5 mil are actually in space working on starbases and the Battleship and Carrier, the other 85 million are prefabbing materials, systems, and other things on the planet. If you would like to send anything to help the effort, please refer to the thread about it. It is in my post search profile thing.
Balrogga
13-06-2004, 00:35
OK, if you don't want the help then that's OK.
Germanische Zustande
13-06-2004, 00:36
I never said that, just don't clog up this thread, as this is not what it is about.
Germanische Zustande
13-06-2004, 00:40
NC, get to where my ship is sticking out of his shield. Bore a hole in my cruiser, then take the turbolifts or transporters to the front of the ship. You can get into the shivan vessel that way. Just, set my ship on reverse, I don't want to have to repair the entire front of a cruiser. Geesh, what a pain that would be.
Balrogga
13-06-2004, 00:41
I was also offering my Eldritch Bomb to use on the Lucifer....
Germanische Zustande
13-06-2004, 00:44
I don't think that IB would allow magic to come into play, much less any1 else. Also, to augment the above post, the impact would have pushed the enemy ship away, allowing my ship to come fully out of the rift and subspace. It, with its singularity time-space bubble field, would be unaffected by backing out of the shields. Therefore, NC would be able to do what I said above.
National Commonwealth
13-06-2004, 00:44
NC, get to where my ship is sticking out of his shield. Bore a hole in my cruiser, then take the turbolifts or transporters to the front of the ship. You can get into the shivan vessel that way. Just, set my ship on reverse, I don't want to have to repair the entire front of a cruiser. Geesh, what a pain that would be.

Understood. We appreciate your help and cooperation. We will board the ship and attempt to disable it, entirely.
Germanische Zustande
13-06-2004, 01:00
Good luck, God speed.
Underwater Asylum
13-06-2004, 03:15
Thousands of missiles launched, fighters began the long, dangerous approach to the Lucifer and it's escorts as beam cannons, configured to pierce all shields the Shivan's had a few thousand years back, shot forward, directly into the Lucifer, over 600 million people manning guns and firing, the entire of sector of space crisscrossed with lethal weapons fire. Subspace and hyperspace rifts opened all over the place from the missiles exploding, several ships equipped with new technology that would in theory, breach the Shivan shielding, and allow them to plow deep inside, and overcharge the reactors, destryoing the ships, and hopefully the Lucifer. People began fleeing through stargates on the planets, this was a last ditch effort. If needed, Zircon Station itself would ram the Lucifer.
Germanische Zustande
13-06-2004, 05:31
To the Underwater Asylum:

From the Governing Council, Parliament, and Congress of the Federation:

We cannot spare any war vessels to aid in the defense of your Homeworld. Although we are allies, we must keep the Raegan safe from those who would destroy it. It is the last hope for ending all threats to the Federation and re-building the Glorious Empire of the Ancestors. We can, and will, however, dispatch the merchant fleet and any available transports to help in the evactuation of your world. If the situation becomes any more dire, the cruisers
FSS Honorable: HAC, Amsterdam Class;
FSS Chivalrous: MAC, Oppenheimer Class;
FSS Gerechten: HDC, Warsaw Class;
Will be dispatched to assist in the defense of your world. May God have Mercy on our souls. To Victory!
Underwater Asylum
13-06-2004, 05:55
All three vessels would be appreciated. This may be the final major battle we are able to fight in this war.
Kanuckistan
13-06-2004, 06:12
OOC: lol the lucifer is almost impossible to destroy in real space thats what its designed for. The Esus allaiance and the rest of NS accept it, its a huge challenge. but remember UA brought this on himself, but iam not going to blow up his planet cause iam a nice guy iam just going to orbit it a few times and let his defences take pot shots at me. The Lucifer can be killed nut its just really really difficult. Oh by the way no one actualy knows how my shields work so if you intend to copy it it will be ignored. All the info you have been given is OOC. and if your nation suddenly has a bright idea it will be ignored because only shivan can survive the field for some reasons etc etc.


OOC:
Your precious lucifer is hardly that tough; a Kanuckistani Battleplate could take one out without much fuss(but then, one of them could take about pretty much anything without much fuss, and there are a few things onboard that would allow my ship to deal with your Lucy's shielding).

The only reason I haven't proven it so is because I haven't mannaged to engage one yet; yer a slippery little bugger, which is fustrating the Kanuckistani High Gaurd's entire Admiralty to no end.
Mentholyptus
13-06-2004, 06:24
After much research, a device has been developed by the impressive Mentholyptan scientific community that may assist in combat against the Lucifer! See the R&D Thread: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3299751#3299751

Also, the Mentholyptan government and military is (and always has been) the staunch ally of BLARGistania and all other Fististani nations on the field of battle. Hence, the Government will now submit its formal declaration of war against Imperial Brits.

OOC: Most military action will be coordinated through our regional Defense Ministry in BLARGistania, though some will come through Mentholyptus (especially anything involving the AIDTD as outlined in the R&D Thread)
United Korean Nations
13-06-2004, 06:34
2 Warhawks flew in at top speed. each armed with 4 "Corkscrew" Weapons, and there reactors set too overload. they Fired the Corkscrews, hoping they would do something. they where built to Spin extremly fast, twirling the energy of the shield around them, and allowing them to make a gap. then, the Warhawks flew straight towards the Lucifer too Ram them, theoritically Creating a big enugh burst from the reactors the Disable the Shields.
Imperial Brits
13-06-2004, 09:29
ooc: if u're goin to use this tech, I will too.


ic: The fleet had been working on calculating a pinpoint jump right up next to the enemy vessel. Only four had ever been successfully made. THe others didn't fare to well.

The tech crew of the Starbnocht was trying to modify the subspace pulse to revert the IB destroyer into subspace where it could be dealt with. So far it would be another 20 minutes before it was ready. Until then the Quantum torpedoes would have to do most of the damage to the enemy ship.

"Sir! We have a course plotted!" the helmsman shouted.

"Very good, ensign." The commodore reached over and opened the inter-ship comm channel. "Attention, all hands are to abandon ship, all hands are to abandon ship."

All around the ship the crew headed for the molar-shaped escape craft. Klaxons sounded, and the vessel prepared to make a pinpoint jump to ram the enemy vessel.

The Starbnocht (the death night) disappeared into subspace. A few seconds later it emerged succesfully only .5 cm from the hull of the IB vessel. The pointed prow of the cruiser plowed into the side of the enemy ship.

On the bridge, deep within the ship, the Commodore ran for the nearest Escape pod. He leapt into the small craft, and just as the cruiser collided with the IB destroyer, he hit the launch button. The pod rocketed out of the hull and headed for the fleet.

ooc: the plowing may be a little declaration of losses, but i'll let IB take care of that. Also, God wanted that jump to succeed, I guess.

OOC: You guys do not know that it is a subspace shield so how can you research into stuff against subspace shielding, everything you have been told is OOC. Also Shivans can only survive the readiation that is emitted from the Lucifers shielding for a few reasons that iam not going to disclose.

IC: The enemy ship collided with the Lucifers shielding, it appeared to melt into the side of the skin but in fact it was moving dimmension, the enemy cruiser dissappeared from real space then re-appeared in side the Shivan realm subspace, where it would soon be dealt with. The subsequent compression wave created with the light cruisers arrival alerted the Shivans of its presence in their domain, a fleet was on its way to either destroy or salvage the ship.
Imperial Brits
13-06-2004, 09:41
Thousands of missiles launched, fighters began the long, dangerous approach to the Lucifer and it's escorts as beam cannons, configured to pierce all shields the Shivan's had a few thousand years back, shot forward, directly into the Lucifer, over 600 million people manning guns and firing, the entire of sector of space crisscrossed with lethal weapons fire. Subspace and hyperspace rifts opened all over the place from the missiles exploding, several ships equipped with new technology that would in theory, breach the Shivan shielding, and allow them to plow deep inside, and overcharge the reactors, destryoing the ships, and hopefully the Lucifer. People began fleeing through stargates on the planets, this was a last ditch effort. If needed, Zircon Station itself would ram the Lucifer.

OOC: Iam not being nasty here guys but you are all trying the same things over and over again but in a diffrent manner. BTW My Lucifer is slightly diffrent to the one is Freespace not the same.

IC:The Lucifers defences were activated, Displacement cannons were charged. The ship Computer began locking on to the enemy missiles faster than the speed of light displaceing them into other parts of the system. (its like transporting but instant). The Lucifer now within range of the enemy homeworld opened fire upon the planet its vast flux cannons tearing holes in the crust of the continental shelves. Magma slowly burst up to the surface, after firing a volley at the UA homeworld the Lucifers subspace drives were activated and it slowly receeded back into subspace.
Underwater Asylum
13-06-2004, 09:46
The subspace drives would fail, a damping field had been activated, Hundreds of thousands had died in that volley, but still they would not stop. They continued firing as rapidly as possible, the planetary shielding had burst bright blue before being overloaded.
Kanuckistan
13-06-2004, 10:08
At the edge of the UA FTL dampening field, a behemoth of a warship simply... apeared; thirteen kilometers long, the Kanuckistani Battleplate KHGV Jagged Razor of Methodical Dismemberment made flank speed towards the Shivan vessel, aiming to stop a half million kilometers away.

A message was broadcast for all to hear;

"Shivan cowards, this is Admiral Hayes of the Kanuckistani High Gaurd; your time of striking at the weak from the shadows of subspace is nearing it's end, and I aim to see to it that that end is arrived at upon the end of a Kanuckistani lance.

Fight us now and meet your deaths with whatever honour you still cling to, or run in the face of your superriors, cowards, to join your kin in awaiting the day that we burn the lot of you from the face of existance for your crimes against life itself."

OOC:
Can you taste the sheer contempt and arrogance? :D
Wetland
13-06-2004, 10:30
Finally they had made it. The fleet had been moving to UA ever since they picked up the Lucifer and they were glad they had caught it before it could leave.

The fleet consisted out of the Zeus, 4 Miridon cruisers, 10 Ironclad gunships and 150 Rihorns. They made full speed for the Shivan ship.

"Tell the fleet to assume formation delta and raise shields if they have them.
Launch fighters and power up the Ripper beam, lets see what this ship can do."

The fleet gathered around the Zeus in a protective circle above, to the sides and below it. While the cruisers and gunships raised their shields as well and all the ships and fighters power up their weaponry.
Ekardia
13-06-2004, 11:23
ooc you idiots do relize there is another lucifer n the system the SD moloch

THe moloch was now in range of the planet it began to fire its superlasers and other weapons at the sheild it would not hold for long
"SIr a kanuckistan battleplate has entered the system"
"Send for reinforcements to jump in behind hem"
"Yes sir"
Kanuckistan
13-06-2004, 11:41
ooc you idiots do relize there is another lucifer n the system the SD moloch

THe moloch was now in range of the planet it began to fire its superlasers and other weapons at the sheild it would not hold for long
"SIr a kanuckistan battleplate has entered the system"
"Send for reinforcements to jump in behind hem"
"Yes sir"

OOC:
Oops, I only skimmed the thread; care to specify your reinforcments and their ETA?

IC:
The Battleplate, within the UA FTL inhibitor field, began orbiting the planet at 500'000 kilometers distance. The Shivan vessels had the planet at their back, atleast from the Kanuckistanis perspective, and were, overall, too close for confort; if a Superheavy lance missed or over-penitrated a shivan vessel and struck the planet, there wouldn't be a planet left to save, and heavier anti-capital warheads would themselves scar the planet at those ranges. But maybe...

Suddenly, missiles began erupting from the battleplate, massing like a swarm of locusts befor screaming towards the planet on an indirect course; a massed alpha-strike a thousand strong, all laser heads, their ECM screaming.

Sweeping around, they looked upon the SD Moloch against the black of space, and at a range of thirty thousand kilometers, vanished in a massive bloom of meta-atomic fire; lasing rods focusing energies into coherent beams befor being vaporised. A thousand x-ray lasers lanced across the remaining distance in a tenth of a second, each of the thousand delivering 10'460'000'000'000 megajoules of energy(2.5 gigatons/TNT energy equivilent), striking at the Shivan vessel as one...

OOC:
Yeah, I know, I'm basicly repeting old, failed tactics; but ICly I just got here, so I wouldn't know.
Wetland
13-06-2004, 18:20
OOC: Because I might not be able to post later tonight on the forum I will do it now and attack the Ekardian Lucifer Moloch but since I don't know its name ICly I will simply refer to it as Lucifer.

IC: As they were powering up the Ripper beam the fleet had also moved closer to the Lucifer.

"Ripper beam ready, sir. But we better fire fast, the weapon can't hold that much energy for long."

"Fire it on that Lucifer, then bring us about to face the other one."

The Ripper beam fired even before the Kanuckistani missiles had reached their target, aimed at what appeared to be a reactor core.
http://www.orionsarm.com/tech/dstr_01_01.jpg

OOC: I better tell you what kind of damage it does. The Ripper beam works by creating a rift in space of which the length is determined by the amount of energy you use. In this case just enough energy to pass through the entire ship. There is only energy applied to the beginning of the rift, which means that the sheat shielding doesn't exist as far as the rift is concerned because its a tear in space-time and as IB has demonstrated the shielding doesn't protect it from space itself.

As for the damage that it does? The rift connects normal space with the antimatter plane which means that all matter that comes in direct contact with the rift is annihilated accompanied with a rather large release of energy as is normal for a matter-antimatter reaction.
BLARGistania
13-06-2004, 21:50
The Shadow's Grace tumbled off into space as the massive shivian counter-assualt hit it. The attack had been poorly aimed, and it was fortuante for the crew of the Shadow's Grace . It had only struck a glacing blow, but that blow had been enough. The sheilds had been instantly overloaded and had shut down as a safety precaution. The artificial grav generators had lost power as the ship tried to stabilize itself and as a result, people began to float around the bridge. All in all, the ships weapons were shorted out, the shields were gone, the engines had overloaded and burned out, and the grav systems had shut down. The Shadow's Grace was effectivly out of the fight.


OOC: I know I'm a little behind so just bear with me. This happened during one of the first Shivian volleys from the Lucifer.
United Korean Nations
13-06-2004, 21:53
Impieral, what did my Attacks do?
Imperial Brits
13-06-2004, 22:10
2 Warhawks flew in at top speed. each armed with 4 "Corkscrew" Weapons, and there reactors set too overload. they Fired the Corkscrews, hoping they would do something. they where built to Spin extremly fast, twirling the energy of the shield around them, and allowing them to make a gap. then, the Warhawks flew straight towards the Lucifer too Ram them, theoritically Creating a big enugh burst from the reactors the Disable the Shields.

OOC: No mention of a dampening field was made before and your field would not work for a few good reasons, however i want a fight so ill stay.
Og if i missed your attack sorry but i have work and iam high in demand to make responses, for some reason everyone wants to attack me. :cry:

IC: The enemy attack was simply the same as other attempts to destroy the Lucifer except the energy was again re-directed into subspace. The crewof the Lucifer now angered at the attack upon its sister ship opened fire upon the Wetland vessel ignoreing the Kanuckistan battleplate. The Lucifer fired upon the Wetland ship with its 3 flux canons (think beam cannon but 1000 times more powerfull) while the enemy ship was firing upon the Moloch. The Flux cannons aiming for the Wetland vessels reactor core aimed precisely. The Lucifer still in orbit above the UA homeworld began to launch vast barrages of micro missiles towards the surface of the planet. (Micro missiles = high yeild photon torpedo but are the size of a hand) The missile tubes launched in the first barrage over 4000 of the missiles which were all targetted towards major population centres. The second and thrid barrages would soon take place. The Lucifer launched in place of one missile a cloakeed probe which would move outside the system and alert other Shivan forces to come to the battle.
Germanische Zustande
13-06-2004, 22:13
ooc: if u're goin to use this tech, I will too.


ic: The fleet had been working on calculating a pinpoint jump right up next to the enemy vessel. Only four had ever been successfully made. THe others didn't fare to well.

The tech crew of the Starbnocht was trying to modify the subspace pulse to revert the IB destroyer into subspace where it could be dealt with. So far it would be another 20 minutes before it was ready. Until then the Quantum torpedoes would have to do most of the damage to the enemy ship.

"Sir! We have a course plotted!" the helmsman shouted.

"Very good, ensign." The commodore reached over and opened the inter-ship comm channel. "Attention, all hands are to abandon ship, all hands are to abandon ship."

All around the ship the crew headed for the molar-shaped escape craft. Klaxons sounded, and the vessel prepared to make a pinpoint jump to ram the enemy vessel.

The Starbnocht (the death night) disappeared into subspace. A few seconds later it emerged succesfully only .5 cm from the hull of the IB vessel. The pointed prow of the cruiser plowed into the side of the enemy ship.

On the bridge, deep within the ship, the Commodore ran for the nearest Escape pod. He leapt into the small craft, and just as the cruiser collided with the IB destroyer, he hit the launch button. The pod rocketed out of the hull and headed for the fleet.

ooc: the plowing may be a little declaration of losses, but i'll let IB take care of that. Also, God wanted that jump to succeed, I guess.

OOC: You guys do not know that it is a subspace shield so how can you research into stuff against subspace shielding, everything you have been told is OOC. Also Shivans can only survive the readiation that is emitted from the Lucifers shielding for a few reasons that iam not going to disclose.

IC: The enemy ship collided with the Lucifers shielding, it appeared to melt into the side of the skin but in fact it was moving dimmension, the enemy cruiser dissappeared from real space then re-appeared in side the Shivan realm subspace, where it would soon be dealt with. The subsequent compression wave created with the light cruisers arrival alerted the Shivans of its presence in their domain, a fleet was on its way to either destroy or salvage the ship.

ooc: Hey, IB, my people are not idiots. We understand fully the concepts and equations relating to hyper and sub space. We recieved communice's from certain undisclosed nations, and, a simple gravitational wave or scan would reveal your ship. Gravity doesn't care about the separations between the different realms. Our simple pulse would be able to detect you. Do you even understand in real life what principals your technology
operates on? You are not invincible. Our pinpoint jump succeeded, so just accept it. Anyway, it isn't like it would destroy your ship. Just send that fleet you were talking about to reinforce you stupid destroyer.

ic: The nearby frigates and destroyers dispatched shuttles to recover the hundreds of escape pods that floated near the site of the collision. The Starbnocht could be seen seemingly sticking out of knowhere. The cutters continued to emit gravitational waves, and one destroyer fired a tachyon pulse at the location of the enemy destroyer.

ooc: Tachyon pulses and weapons (of which we have none at this point in time) also can pass through the boundaries of space-time and sub-real-hyper space.
Wetland
13-06-2004, 22:15
OOC: I will wait with responding to the attack until I know what damage I did with the Ripper beam.
National Commonwealth
14-06-2004, 00:32
National Commonwealth's repeatedly failed attacks came to a personal level with the leadership. Members of the war council begin debating other strategies to bring down the enemy.

Premier:
"We still have a Vorlon plantet killer orbiting the UA homeworld. How long before we can have its Quantum Gravitic Discharge Cannon fire into the vecinity of the Lucifer to disrupt those shields?"

Advisor:
"It will be another hour and a half before it is charged sir. However we believe we can force them to the negotiating table. There are two more planet killers availabe. Your commanders have insisted they be escorted to Shivan homeworld. When they arrive, they will be fully charged. An armada of cruisers and support vessels are enroute as well."

Premier:
"Excellent! Do not forget about the telepaths we sent earlier. I want them to do their best to bring down the Lucifer's defenses. Have we come up with anything besides having the Vorlon ship fire upon the Lucifer to bring down the subspace shielding?"

Advisor:
"Actually, sir, sources say that if we fire a gravitic quantum flux upon the field surrounding the Lucifer, among other Shivan vessels, we can expand subspace. This will render there entire system incapable maintaining alocation here. They will be forced into some unknown area of subspace. We are also planning to throw some of our own ships into subspace, where all Shivan shielding is useless, and fire upon the vessel."

Premier:
"Do all of this as quickly as possible. We want to save as much of the UA homeworld as we can."

http://perso.club-internet.fr/tiamat/images/b5/SHIPS/The-Vorlon-Planet-Killer.jpg
Central Facehuggeria
14-06-2004, 01:56
OOC: The Shivan "Homeworld" as it is exists in subspace. And it is almost well defended enough to resist the entire ESUS. Your Vorlon ships have little chance.
Moontian
14-06-2004, 03:50
More tests have been run with Heronmarks alongside other ships being sent into subspace to test their weapons. Having determined the extent of the damage that the anti-matter cannons and lasers can do, the ships returned.
Tests have also been run on what happens when the edge of a gateway hits an object, such as a small asteroid. It appears that the asteroid is destroyed on contact with the gateway's edge, but the process isn't known as yet.
Underwater Asylum
14-06-2004, 06:05
Many of the missiles were destroyed, but the planet was losing. Thankfully the stargates had gotten them off in time. Except for a few million, who were slowly dieing.
Germanische Zustande
14-06-2004, 06:51
oohh IB.... don't you wan't to admit that your ship has at least taken SOME damage?
National Commonwealth
14-06-2004, 13:39
double
National Commonwealth
14-06-2004, 13:43
OOC: All of the weapon systems on the Vorlon ships are gravity based beams. The living and adaptive bio-armour on all of the ships is very resilient. Even the fighter can withstand over 200,000 terajoules of firepower, the Dreadnought 2,000,000 terajoules, and you can forget about causing any significant damage to the planet killer unless you get your entire fleet to fire on each of them at once. You never said anything about what effects could be caused by telepaths. We are going to have them weaken your control on the ships, allowing us to throw you into some uncharted part of subspace via gravitic beam weaponry.

We have three, planet killers which can be indpendently aimed. Planets don't move as fast as ships! I honestly do not care if it takes them a hundred years to find the shivans. We will find something, perhaps an IB outpost. It will be destroyed and we will have our reprisal.
Pelagai
14-06-2004, 13:59
the shivans have no home planet and you are underestimating shivan ingenuity and if you attack shivan space it wont be just shivans you are fighting
Imperial Brits
14-06-2004, 17:44
OOC: I have been really busy at work so please forgive me if i have missed some posts. I have been only able to quickly skim through a few parts of the thread. But i have a little time right now, so forgive the poor quality of my posts. I reall hope you try to use telepathy on the Shivans, you will be sorry if you do.

IC: The enemy ship formed a small gap within the hull and had penetrated into a small corridor, almost instantly every shivan on the ship were on their way to deal with this incursion. over fifty shivans ripped the hull away themselves and began boarding the enemy vessel. The displacers were now ready to prevent any alien from boarding the ship.
Meanwhile the the Lucifer continued to fire upon the enemies and slowly took evasive action,forcing the enemy ship to pull away from the hull.
Germanische Zustande
14-06-2004, 17:54
ooc: Thankyou, IB. At least I did some damage. By the way, the ship AI is now shooting all weapons at your ship.

ic: The bridge of the Starbnocht rocked as Shivan boarding parties searched through the ship. Automated defense systems picked a few off here and there, thining out their numbers. The AI had been ordered shortly before the evacuation to wipe it's starmap directory, so that no shivan could find the Homeworld, and the AI, after having its higher functions erased, followed its one remaining order: Kill. It targeted the enemy ship now that it was within shields, and fired the few operational phasecannons and torpedoes it had. It aimed one operational blue particle array at what appeared to be a shield generator, another at the engines, and one red particle array at obvious weapon emplacements. It prepared to launch a quantum torpedo from the dorsal launcher. It set the warp core to overload, then ejected it toward the enemy vessel.

ooc: the warp core is about 40 feet long, 5 feet wide, cylindrical. It contains matter and antimatter, and a little plasma to boot.
SPARTEN
14-06-2004, 18:38
tag
Imperial Brits
15-06-2004, 10:53
OOC: Click this link before you read the IC post, its just a little bit of music. 56K click if you dare. http://telmedia.telarc.com:8080/ramgen/telarc/80406/80406-8-mAMAB.smi




IC: The Lucifer now attached to an enemy warship fired up it's engines, it's vast bulk tearing away from the enemy warship, hulls scraping together released thousands of shards of metal into the darkness of space. The vast flux cannons continued to fire upon enemy vessels, now escaped from the claws of the GZ ship The Lucifer continued to fire upon the Wetland vessels and the UA homeworld. The plasma weapons launched by that enemy ship scarred the hull and left some of the superstructure open for all to see. However the Shivan attack was not over yet.

At the outer edges of the UA homesystem the small probe that was launched receded back into subspace giving the now massed Shivan fleet the signal to attack. All around the UA sun vast subspace portals appeared covering the sun in a haze of blue. Out emerged a Shivan fleet however their course was not towards the battle no the ships remained in orbit around the sun. The Shivan fleet held position however their task could be seen now. Throughout the entire system subspace fluctuations could be detected from the Shivan fleet, a vast energy build up from the red vessels was obvious but their intentions were not as clear. Around the sun space began to fold and buckle vast dimensional disturbances were forming and the star was going from a brilliant yellow to a dark orange. The fleet would only need two minutes.

OOC: Fleet- 6 Sathanas Juggernauts
50 Ravanas destroyers
30 Rakasha Destroyers
70 Lilith cruisers
over 6 thousand fighters of all assortments
Underwater Asylum
15-06-2004, 11:08
Sir! There's no time to Evac! We have to activate the Quantum Singularity Plan now!
The planet exploded. The fleet exploded. Zircon Station exploded. Every planet exploded. A quantum singularity formed due to this, and some technology, the entire system's remnants being sucked, the sun being sucked, even as the enemy ships would be sucked in.
Imperial Brits
15-06-2004, 11:54
Sir! There's no time to Evac! We have to activate the Quantum Singularity Plan now!
The planet exploded. The fleet exploded. Zircon Station exploded. Every planet exploded. A quantum singularity formed due to this, and some technology, the entire system's remnants being sucked, the sun being sucked, even as the enemy ships would be sucked in.

Thanks UA you have just destroyed kanuckistans battleplate, the vasudans world killers, my Lucifer of which i can always make more, Wetlands ship and my fleet is far enough away to excape.

IC: The vast explosion rocked the very core of the Lucifer, once again it was being pulled into oblivion by the power of this universe. The fleet orbiting around the sun were slowly being pulled in however it would be several minutes before they were in the event horizon, plenty of time to escape. The fleet coming ever closer to the blackhole generated a subspace portal and left the now dead system, there was no hope for the Lucifer, though this battle was a major victory for the Shivans. Each ship in the fleet generated a subspace portal in fron of each other and they were carried into the blue event horizon by the gravity of the UA blackhole.

OOC: I asked you not to declare war on me UA and look what has happened. Well i guess you want a truce now, or shall i hunt down the rest of your populace?
Wetland
15-06-2004, 12:20
OOC: Thanks alot Ekardia and Underwater Asylum. Ekardia for not posting, UA for doing what he did. Couldn't you wait a few RL hours?

IC: After firing the Ripper beam, they turned about to face the other Lucifer when its flux cannons fired. One of the beams hit the cruiser Gedon destroying its shields, penetrating its armour and causing a lot of damage to its systems. The second beam hit the gunboat Alexander completely destroying it and continuing towards the Zeus along with the third hitting the shields of the ship. They held but only just.

"Sir, shields are critical. We lost the Alexander and the Gedon is losing power rapidly."
"Can they make it out of here?"
"No, sir. They will have to be towed out of here."
"Okay, tell the fleet to spread out. Helm, take us on a heading of 234-15."

Moments later the Lucifer attacked again, but this time the [i]Zeus was lucky and only one of the beams hit home after passing through 2 Rihorns.

"Damage report."
"We lost shields and there is a big ghass in the armour. We also have a few power conduits overloading when the shields gave in. It knocked the Ripper emitters out of alignement. We can't fire for at least an hour. We also lost 2 gunboats and 6 Rihorns during that last attack."
"Helm, get us out of here. Calculate a course for Wetticus, maximum Bend. Tac, tell the fighters to...."
"Sir! We are detecting multiple subspace portals around the sun and Shivan ships coming out of them. I am also reading subspace fluctuations and there something strange going on at the planet. I am reading a massive gravitational pull building up...."
"We can't wait. Com, order the fleet to jump now. Helm, get us out of here."
"But, sir the fighters are still dock...."
"We can't wait, get us out of here now!"

And with that the fleet jumped leaving behind 200 fighters along with the remaining Rihorns whose FTL engines refused to work under these conditions and of course the Gedon who didn't have enough power to engage its engines.

As the fleet escaped the system, the captain was writing his report accusing the UA of attacking his allies and suggesting it was all a trap.
Moontian
15-06-2004, 12:26
The puzzle over what happens to any asteroid that hits a gateway in the wrong way has been apparently solved. Apparently, a gateway can only be approached from one particular direction safely. From any other direction, and the object loses its cohesiveness at the quark/lepton level. Since a gateway can be formed at a long distance from a Heronmark, the current record being twenty kilometres, this could end up being another weapon that can be used in both real and subspace.

Now all that is left is to increase the production of the subspace drives and fit them into all operational Heronmarks.
Ekardia
15-06-2004, 13:20
ooc guess i dont need to post but the ripper beam destroyed it thanks ua for destroying kantuckisatans battleplate.
Imperial Brits
15-06-2004, 14:28
bump

OCC: Great post Wetland.
Metallinauts
15-06-2004, 20:08
A large flash of light appeared before the IB fleet there were a few Metallinauts ships (ooc: I've grown up and done a few more RPs worry not abpu god modding). "A channel opened from the head ship "To all IB ships prepare to die". With that all the Ships let out a spread of 12 Transphasic Torpedoes.
OOC:
Fleet is as follows
1 Soverign class Battleship
12 Intrepid class Light Cruisers
24 Steamrunner Escorts


http://www.raptorpirates.com/~ronindesign/images/rd1024-enterprise-e-beauty.jpg
Imperial Brits
15-06-2004, 22:50
iam no longer in the system sorry. and you have just jumped into a system with a black hole present. enjoy.
Imperial Brits
16-06-2004, 00:37
bump
Germanische Zustande
16-06-2004, 00:39
The Federation fleet recieved a message from UA. They were going to activate a terrible weapon. Just as the planet imploded, the fleet jumped into warp, heading for the Homeworld.
******************************

To the Fleeing UA forces and Peoples

The Homeworld of Atheos is open to your peoples. We can send you the co-ordinates should you accept.

ooc: sorry, I just can't afford to lose any ships. I have years (ns) before I get my 20 mile long battleship built. I can't build any other ships while the Reagan is under construction.
Imperial Brits
16-06-2004, 00:44
IC: The cloaked probe situated on the outskirts of the system detected the enemy fleet leaving the system. It was ordered to follow them.
Germanische Zustande
16-06-2004, 01:03
"Captain, I am detecting a small gravitational field behind us. I don't know what it is, but I reccomend a course change. The Remdracht Protocal clearly states that in times of war no Federation ship is to-"

"Yes, Ensign, I know. No Federation ship is to lead a possible enemy contact to the Homeworld. Fine. I don't think the Shivans have anything that small. But, it's better than a court-marshal or destruction of Atheos. Ensign, drop us out of warp. Proceed to border Outpost #37."

"Aye aye, sir."
Germanische Zustande
16-06-2004, 06:35
ooc: Okay, um... we have advanced sensor systems... maybe not very good weapons... anyway, we picked up SOMETHING nonetheless, and of course, we were suspicious, and we do have the protocol thing. So, I guess the shivans will just have to look for my homeworld, cause they certainly aren't going to follow me there...
Kanuckistan
16-06-2004, 08:02
OOC:
UA, you are damned lucky I have some fancy-ass toys on that Battleplate, or you'd be facing a fricken holy war what would make the Hunam-Minbari war look like snowball fight.

IC:
Hayes was instantly greatful he hadn't closed to engage the Shivan Lucifers; still nearly two lightseconds away from the planet, ever-ready Gravitic Spatial Inversion Induction Effectors engaged, bending a 90 degree arc of space-time back on itself, reflecting even gravitational energies. Thus saved, atleast for the moment, the Battleplate engaged it's displacer drives, and was gone from this now-dead system.
Imperial Brits
16-06-2004, 12:03
ooc: Okay, um... we have advanced sensor systems... maybe not very good weapons... anyway, we picked up SOMETHING nonetheless, and of course, we were suspicious, and we do have the protocol thing. So, I guess the shivans will just have to look for my homeworld, cause they certainly aren't going to follow me there...

OOC: Really, that probe is tracking the slight gravametric forces you are making from within subspace. I doubt you could detect it, so just keep on going because to suddenly detect it would be a very large godmode. gz i doubt you can detect the probe from within subspace.
Germanische Zustande
16-06-2004, 14:52
ooc: wait, you're in subspace? then you can't even see me. I'm travelling in normal space, just faster than the speed of light. so, I guess that ship would have a very hard time trying to find my ships. For you to detect them would be a godmod. Because, to reach the speed of light, or faster, you must have ABSOLUTELY NO MASS. Therefore, you wouldn't be able to track any gravitiational distortions at all. So, my fleet will continue on to the homeworld, and the beauty of it is, they won't be detected.

ic: "Wait, sir? I think that may have been only a ghost reading. There is definitely nothing there."

"Ensign, if you ever give me a false report and cause me to drop out of warp again, I'll have you 'transferred'. Take us back into warp."
Jordaxia
16-06-2004, 15:01
So, your ships have 0 mass, or infinite mass, at this moment in time. Explain, please.
Imperial Brits
16-06-2004, 15:20
ooc: wait, you're in subspace? then you can't even see me. I'm travelling in normal space, just faster than the speed of light. so, I guess that ship would have a very hard time trying to find my ships. For you to detect them would be a godmod. Because, to reach the speed of light, or faster, you must have ABSOLUTELY NO MASS. Therefore, you wouldn't be able to track any gravitiational distortions at all. So, my fleet will continue on to the homeworld, and the beauty of it is, they won't be detected.

ic: "Wait, sir? I think that may have been only a ghost reading. There is definitely nothing there."

"Ensign, if you ever give me a false report and cause me to drop out of warp again, I'll have you 'transferred'. Take us back into warp."

OOC: Do you know what mass is? Gravity is a force exerted through all dimensions it is actualy very easy to track. Your fleet would not be very difficult to assertain all i have to do is track it from subspace look GZ it is easy to do however with the probe in subspace i doubt you would be able to detect the minute readings exerted by the probe, we are talking the gravatational force of dust here. Also iam able to detect where your fleet is going as the small forces of gravity affect the particles withing subspace effectively forming a river trail for me so essentialy all i have to do is look in front of me.
Kanuckistan
16-06-2004, 15:22
ooc: wait, you're in subspace? then you can't even see me. I'm travelling in normal space, just faster than the speed of light. so, I guess that ship would have a very hard time trying to find my ships. For you to detect them would be a godmod. Because, to reach the speed of light, or faster, you must have ABSOLUTELY NO MASS. Therefore, you wouldn't be able to track any gravitiational distortions at all. So, my fleet will continue on to the homeworld, and the beauty of it is, they won't be detected.

OOC:
Actually, to reach the speed of light, you have to have either no mass(which requiors you to activly negate the vessel's mass), or infinite mass(which is what happens naturally if you don't somehow negate your ship's mass or use some fancy bypass-the-lightspeed-barrier drive like almost everyone, and the later doesn't necessarily effect mass), and you'd also requior infinite energy to do it; going faster than the speed of light iirc doesn't requior this, for some reason which I'm sure will turn out to be bad math at some point in the future.

So, how the frell do your FTL drives work?
Germanische Zustande
16-06-2004, 17:50
Germanische Zustande
16-06-2004, 17:51
Okay, you see, Einstein left us with paradoxical equations. Now, according to his and other scientist's equations, light MUST have mass, yet it CANNOT. It would take too long to explain this, so you can look it up. Now, when you get into quantum physics, you can have paradoxes.

As you approach the speed of light, mass beccomes infinate, if there is mass to begin with. Now, by negating the mass, which isn't as hard as you may think (in theory at least) you can approach the speed of light. Then, by bending space-time and effectively changing time flow, you can travell faster than light. And it would also mean infinate energy to travel that fast if using a light drive. Also, matter-antimatter would work, which is what I use. I base everything off my research and science projects.

IB, there are hardly any particles in realspace. My ships are small enough not to disturb many of these, especially enough to track. Also, if you are in subspace, you sure as hell cant see particles in realspace. you can pick up gravitational readings, however, you absolutely can't have sensors good enough to pick up an atom's gravitational field. well, maybe, but I would consider that a godmod.
Jordaxia
16-06-2004, 18:11
If mass is relatively easy to negate, please explain how. I don't know how you could possibly negate it. Scientists commonly say that the only way to travel ftl is to cheat, by folding space, or wormholes, etc.
Imperial Brits
16-06-2004, 22:39
OOC: IWhat i ment was the the probes gravatational influence would simply be like a speck of dusts gravatational field in real space and as you said being able to detect that will be a godmode so just accept iam tracking your fleet.
Germanische Zustande
16-06-2004, 23:48
Look, IB, I am not saying that I can detect your probe. I accepted that I couldn't. What I AM saying is that your probe cannot detect the path of MY ships. Since my ships have no mass, you cannot detect gravitiational fields, and since there aren't enough particles in Realspace to create a stream or trail as you said, your probe doesn't even know that my fleet is there. And, even if there was a stream of particles, there wouldn't be many, and you Certainly couldn't detect the nearly infinitesimal gravitational field of a few atoms. THAT would be a godmod.

Jordaxia, I am currently working on this for a science fair project. I'm just getting in to this, so the explination may be a bit shaky. Now, mass is energy. By creating a field that effectively reverts all mass to energy, you can travel at the speed of light. However, only the momentum carried initially would be the speed of the energyfield. Another way, much more feasible, is to create some sort of field, I can't exactly give you the calculus or equations, I haven't figured out how to write them in this, which acts like anti-gravity to gravity. Can't find a name for it. However, my phisycs teacher and I were brainstorming, and we did come up with a way to travel faster-than-light using a field. The field has no mass, no particles, unlike shields and other fields, however, it is in Realspace, not sub or hyper space. We just can't figure out how to generate one. The how-to is quite elusive. But, when we figure it out, you'll hear my name in the news. Anyway, the field acts as a sort of bubble, making everything inside have no effect on the time-space continuum. However, since we are in Realspace, it would be possible for anything in this field to ram into a planet, asteroid, or any number of other things in realspace.

THe only way to detect us would be to find the field resonance frequency or look for the specific energy signature. Otherwise, the field would pass too quickly to arouse suspicion.
Jordaxian outposts
17-06-2004, 00:10
I accept you aren't exactly 100% sure on this science here, but your descriptions (which I accept you said you couldn't describe well) seem to be based in fantasy. You cannot create a field of nothing. However, thinking about it, if you continue the bubble metaphor, I can see a vague possibility. Are you meaning that the bubble use space to isolate itself, like a bubble is the simply the water bending around the air, Where you exert an influence on the outside, to shape it around you?Yes, there is no way to do that currently, or even in the forseeable future, and it may be on the far side of extreme, but so is a lot of sci fi.

I don't know what to make of it yet.
Germanische Zustande
17-06-2004, 04:40
There are many fields which have no particles. THey are pure force, albeit unknown. Ex:

Magnetic Fields
Gravitational Fields

And a few others. THere are also forms of electiral fields with no electrons...

Jordaxia, that is one interpretation, in fact, thats better than most people that try to get a grasp on the concept from my annoyingly vague description. As I said, I cannot explain it very well, however, the field would essentially change the laws of physics for the space inside the shield. Maybe not change, but definately bend. THat is one of a few different possibilities. As I said, I am trying to learn calculus for the science project, but I understand enough to be able to describe my theories. Many are theoretically possible. Anyway, I think you get the idea.
Germanische Zustande
17-06-2004, 14:57
The scarred fleet of 2 frigates, 2 destroyers, and a few cutters moved silently through space. The fleet was trying to get itself organized again. That false sensor reading had the ships in great confusion.

"Commodore on the bridge!" The bridge crew jumped to attention and saluted the Commodore.

De Tua returned their salute. He walked to the center of the bridge, motioning for the captain to keep his chair. "Helm, set a course for Normandiecht," he turned to the bridge crew,"we have new orders."

The fleet accelerated, and jumped to warp.
Imperial Brits
17-06-2004, 15:00
OOC: so are you accepting that i can follow you or not? Let me know because i really really want to unleash this new ship.
Germanische Zustande
17-06-2004, 15:03
Ok, even though something in subspace theoretically couldn't follow me, fine. Your probe can follow me to Normandeicht
Imperial Brits
17-06-2004, 15:30
The GZ fleet was being tracked through subspace by a small Shivan probe. The fleet which had now been followed for almost a day was now in for a suprise. The probe had relayed a communication to the Shivan command and subsequently the newest ship in the fleet was dispatched the SJ diablo. After a further eight hours the Diablo arrived at the predisposed cordinates preparing for the jump into real space. The vast engines were powering up and slowly the vessel created a subspace portal and arrived into a GZ system.

http://69.93.183.37/917/143/upload/p910853.jpg
Moontian
18-06-2004, 06:06
Finally, after much testing and analysis, the first Moontian taskforce has been sent into Shivan subspace. Due to the hostile nature of the Shivans, the taskforce was quite large, requiring many Heronmarks to transport all the ships.
Just on the subspace side of the gateway, the taskforce encountered a small ship bearing no resemblance to the ships of ESUS or any other nation known in real space. All the Moontian fighters subsequently fired their anti-matter cannons at the ship, which was hit after the interstellar medium of subspace in the gap between opposing ships was annihilated in the process. The ship had apparently survived the attack, which was expected from the warning salvo. This message was sent to the ship before the taskforce went back into real space:

Your ship has merely been damaged to serve as a warning. Subspace is no longer your little hole to hide away in between attacks. You have very little time to survive.
Moontian
19-06-2004, 04:49
*bump* for IB or another Shivan to respond
Germanische Zustande
19-06-2004, 05:01
About Normandeicht were ringed many defenses. The world had, for centuries, been the military world of the Stellar Federation. The small battlegroup had dropped out of warp just a few hours ago and had immediately begun repairs at the Starbase in orbit above Normandeicht. A small ripple in subspace had passed through the system about ten minutes earlier when a tear opened in subspace. The tear was out-system, about twenty minutes at full impulse from the inner system. Klaxons rang out all over the planet and in the stations above the orange and white world. There were in all about 18 of the 50 ships of the fleet stationed there, and all immediately activated weapons and shields. Navy and marines ran through the ships and stations preparing for a huge battle. Vessels of war powered engines, and the planetary generators for the orbital cannons powered up. COmputer cores calculated ETA for the enemy ship, firing solutions, and called for help. THe entire system held its breath.
Mentholyptus
20-06-2004, 23:46
At HyperStation Alpha, a storm was brewing. Not only was there the constant chaos of the unreal space around the station, but there was a raging storm of anticipation and anxiety within the spherical structure's negative-matter walls. Scientists were racing about, running last-minute checks, reprogramming power feeds, and preparing for the arrival of the second Gateway prototype, which had been hastily christened "Hermes." The preparations had been barely completed when a brilliant tear in the non-space around the station opened, and the cargo ship Simon II slipped into the station's vicinity. Massive shield doors were opened, and the Simon slid into a docking bay. Immediately, a large group of the station's staff surrounded the cargo doors, off-loading the Hermes and carrying it to its perch, a hastily constructed platform at one of the sphere's poles. Once in place, massive power cables were attached to the Gateway, and it was brought on-line. Lights flashed around the rim of the device, and a vibrant blue glow appeared in its center. The Hermes was ready for action. Its first use would be the next "day" (as determined by station time, as there was no true passage of time here, deep in hyperspace).
_________________________________________________________________(The next "day")

The research vessel Zarathustra came to a stop two kilometers away from the Hermes. Onboard, Captain James Kinkade was double and triple-checking all the ship's systems, nervously awaiting the ship's test flight into mu-space. The remainder of his 5-man crew was engaged in a number of nervous habits, as all were more than a little frightened of the task they were about to perform. Through the subspace channel on the comm came the voice of HyperStation Alpha's commander. "Zarathustra, you are cleared for power-up and final preparation. Entry time estimated in five minutes."
Kinkade began flipping switches and pushing buttons, bringing the ship's systems on-line. He took special care with the new shielding system, designed to protect the ship from the intense gravitational stresses present in mu-space (light and EM energy travels only through our 4-D spacetime, gravity extends into the inter-dimensional space, which is why it seems comparatively weak here). Kinkade commed in to the station "Hyper Alpha, this is Zarathustra. We are go for insertion." Alpha acknowledged, and Kinkade looked at the viewscreen to see one of the most terrifying sights he would ever witness. In front of his ship, the brilliant colors of hyperspace were vanishing, consumed by a growing circle of nothingness. This was their portal to mu-space. After a few final encouragements from the crew of Alpha, Kinkade throttled up his gravfield-distorting engines and moved towards the portal. Something strange happened as the ship's prow breached the barrier into the unknown: it disappeared. Kinkade could no longer see the foremost 20 meters of his vessel. Still, he pressed onwards. As the curtain of oblivion crept ever-closer to the cockpit, he closed his eyes, hoping fervently that he would not simply wink into nothingness. As he crossed the barrier, all of his hair stood on end and his skin prickled, similar to the feeling of a strong static charge. Then, he was through. Captain Kinkade opened his eyes...and glimpsed a dancing pattern of brilliance so random that he thought he must be dying. As his eyes adjusted to the painfully bright light, he saw that, indeed, he was still alive, but that the shimmering curtains of color were still with him. He could only hope that the computer could guide his vessel to its destination- a point 5 light-years from Alpha, at the same instant he departed. Soon, he saw a white circle spreading in front of him, and he shouted with joy. The Zarathustra emerged from mu-space on one side of HyperStation Alpha-just as it was completing its entry into oblivion on the other. The test flight had been successful. Now, the device could be put to use.
Ekardia
21-06-2004, 05:50
moontian start another thread for our war