NationStates Jolt Archive

Concerned with the recent trend in UN resolutions of acting as legislation-by-proxy, bypassing the established legislative processes of member states in their domestic matters(1), despite the fact that these resolutions often have nothing to do with international peace and security, self-determination, natural human rights, and fundamental freedoms(2); and despite the fact that neither the UN Charter nor principles of autonomy and moral government give the UN authority to legislate upon matters of jurisdiction internal to a member state, Artoonia and Interlocking Land have decided to convene a summit for likewise-concerned member states and former states similarly-disillusioned.

The summit will convene on the Artoonian island of Flegxia Saturday afternoon, with an agenda to be determined in the interim.

/seal/ The Holy Empire of Artoonia
/s/ Dame Orabela Pipro, Ambassador to The United Nations

(1) q.v. The 40 Hour Workweek, Public Domain, Abortion Rights

(2) purposes as laid out in The UN Charter, Article I

Hopefully we can come up with some ideas about what do about the recent surge of un-UN-ly resolutions that have been up for vote.

We agree that this trend is most disturbing, and the President of the Senate of Pallia would be glad to attend any such summit, along with the Pallian Ambassador Extraordinare to the United Nations.

I apologize to interfere, but this has been done to death.

If you want to do this get several nations in on it first.

*bump for attendees*

*bump for attendees*Thanks for that

*sigh* surely someone's interested

Concerned with the recent trend in UN resolutions of acting as legislation-by-proxy, bypassing the established legislative processes of member states in their domestic mattersAnd this is exactly the intended purpose of the united nations.

The Ferratian governemnt would like to send representatives to this summit.

*sigh* surely someone's interestedNo, not really. You may get a few newbies though.

The God-Emperor foresaw these problems when the UN was in it's infancy; we recomend you follow a similar path to that which we have choosen, and leave the UN. It is inherently flawed, wherein the fate of the minority is dictated by the fickle whims of the mob(to clarify; mob as in large mass of people, not organised crime).

The God-Emperor foresaw these problems when the UN was in it's infancy; we recomend you follow a similar path to that which we have choosen, and leave the UN. It is inherently flawed, wherein the fate of the minority is dictated by the fickle whims of the mob(to clarify; mob as in large mass of people, not organised crime).
To be perfectly fair, that is the problem inherent in democracy (as opposed to a republic) as well. We have kicked that idea around, however, we still believe the UN has the potential to be an organ of peace, cooperation, and human rights. Though as it stands, the proverbial Artoonian camel doesn't have much strength left.

Whilst The Allied States of Celtayoshi is not a member of the UN, they would like to make it clear that because of the growing number of poor resolutions we were forced to resign to maintain our nations right to rule itself. We feel it is important to note this

To be perfectly fair, that is the problem inherent in democracy (as opposed to a republic) as well. We have kicked that idea around, however, we still believe the UN has the potential to be an organ of peace, cooperation, and human rights. Though as it stands, the proverbial Artoonian camel doesn't have much strength left.

The difference between a true democracy and a representitive democracy is that the mob directly dictates the rule of the former, while the later is ruled by individuals.

Individuals can be held accountible for their actions, and can devote their careers to making informed decisions. The mob is only accountible to itself, often selfish, and with little time to dedicate to politics, is often fickel in it's choices and easily swayed by the words of any charismatic figure.

Which would you rather be ruled by?

Concerned with the recent trend in UN resolutions of acting as legislation-by-proxy, bypassing the established legislative processes of member states in their domestic matters(1), despite the fact that these resolutions often have nothing to do with international peace and security, self-determination, natural human rights, and fundamental freedoms(2); and despite the fact that neither the UN Charter nor principles of autonomy and moral government give the UN authority to legislate upon matters of jurisdiction internal to a member state, Artoonia and Interlocking Land have decided to convene a summit for likewise-concerned member states and former states similarly-disillusioned.

The summit will convene on the Artoonian island of Flegxia Saturday afternoon, with an agenda to be determined in the interim.

/seal/ The Holy Empire of Artoonia
/s/ Dame Orabela Pipro, Ambassador to The United Nations

(1) q.v. The 40 Hour Workweek, Public Domain, Abortion Rights

(2) purposes as laid out in The UN Charter, Article I

Whilst we share your concerns that the UN has overstepped its bounds, let alone that a great many peroposals are appallingly written, we maintain that the 40 hour work week relates to working conditions and the basic human right not to be exploited by unscrupulous employers, and shall not be lending support to this conference.

Further, despite whatever notions of the UN's remit we, or anyone else, choose to favour, it is the simple truth that the UN enjoys whatever remit its members afford it.

Celdonian Ambassador to the UN.

OOC: The NS UN has no charter, nor is it directly comparable to the RW UN. You can argue against some of its legislation, but you can't start citing non-existent charters to justify your stance.

OOC: Considering Celdonia's remarks, there is only one available response, and that is to formally announce our agreeance with Celtayoshi's position:

IC: All around Artoonia, people were glued to their television sets, watching Striker's Finish, the hit sitcom about a retired footballer (soccer player, for you Americans) who takes a job in a factory and somehow becomes the head of a corrupt Steelworkers' Union. Tonight, however, the programme (along with whatever paltry selections the other networks had to offer opposite Striker's Finish that the other 5% of the Artoonian population might have been watching) was suddenly interrupted for a special government message:

Prime Minister J. Mikelo Birono was on screen; behind him stood the Emperor, Artu I, and at his left, Dame Orabela Pipro, Artoonian Ambassador to the UN. It was immediately obvious that they were standing in Parliament Chambers; strangely, however, they were not in the People's House, of which the Prime Minister is a member, but in His Majesty's House--a formal requirement for the Emperor's attendance, as he was not allowed to set foot in either of the two lower houses. With the Prime Minister giving a speech that the Emperor attended, this was surely to be an important announcement.

Good evening, Mr. and Mrs. Artoonia, and all the Ships at Sea.

When the Artoonian Parliament made the decision to allow its government to become a member of the United Nations, it did so under the apparently false premise that there was some check on its power that would prevent it from usurping you the people of this great nation's inherent and sacrosanct power to govern yourself. It was the belief of His Majesty's Government that only it, and not you, would be affected by its rules. We also mistakenly thought that the United Nations was an organisation of goodwill and human rights.

Tonight, we realise that this was a mistake, and that it would have been better for us to have never entered into such a malformed organisation. This evening, to rectify this mistake, all three Houses of Parliament met in joint session, and--in the first time a completely unanimous decision was ever agreed upon by all of Parliament assembled--voted to withdraw from the United Nations. We regret that this was necessary, but this decision was the only one possible, given the circumstances.

Good night, and G-d bless Artoonia.
The whole of Parliament assembled then broke into a thunderous applause, and fireworks lit the night sky as around the Empire, there was much rejoicing.