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i have had a space station in the making for awhile I have made sure that it was kept secret to prevent sabotage but i am finding it increasingly difficult to fund the project. but because i still wish to maintain secrecy on the project I can not show you the plans of the station or tell you it's location i can shuddle you out to veiw the partly constructed center and i can tell you that it will be equiped in the latest technology for both science and warfare whomever wishes to help in the payment of the station will be given a lot based on the support given so the highest amount of support given by a country will have a larger lot than the other supporters

if you have any questions ask them and i will fill them in as best as i can

OOC

Please learn to structure your messages for better readability. Seperation of ideas into paragraphs would be a great start.

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Constructing a space station of any significant bulk 'in secret' would be a futile exercise. Its not anymore possible than concealing the ascent of a star from a planetary horizon (eg. the rising of the sun).

Presuming your space station is made of radar-reflective materials (any metal). Any party with space radars can detect your construction in orbit. Its even more exposed considering the large lists of nations with satellites and space flight capability.

JiangGuo

Constructing a space station of any significant bulk 'in secret' would be a futile exercise. Its not anymore possible than concealing the ascent of a star from a planetary horizon (eg. the rising of the sun).

Presuming your space station is made of radar-reflective materials (any metal). Any party with space radars can detect your construction in orbit. Its even more exposed considering the large lists of nations with satellites and space flight capability.

JiangGuo

"Space radar"...come on. I hope you mean LIDAR.

Constructing a space station of any significant bulk 'in secret' would be a futile exercise. Its not anymore possible than concealing the ascent of a star from a planetary horizon (eg. the rising of the sun).

Presuming your space station is made of radar-reflective materials (any metal). Any party with space radars can detect your construction in orbit. Its even more exposed considering the large lists of nations with satellites and space flight capability.

JiangGuo

"Space radar"...come on. I hope you mean LIDAR.

'Space Radar' is a misphrase that was unintentionally ambiguous. What was meant were high-power radar systems used for detecting objects in orbit or outer space. Such as those used in ballistic missile detection or deep-space astronomy or civilian satellite tracking.

NORAD operates many of these large radar systems, they are known to pick up minor piece of space junk on their radar systems. So I'd think any nation with a decent ballastic missile warning system would detect your 'secret' space station, which would have be assembled in orbit. Thats not counting large telescopes used in astronomy.

JiangGuo

...or looking out of our window each "evening" watching you construct your station.



OOC: The ISS can be seen by the naked eye. I believe it is the second brightest object in the night sky, the brightest being the moon.

It would be hard to build something that big without attracting attention with the launches you will have to be continously conducting in order to ferry your construction suplies into orbit.

OOC: *sighs* no, it is in fact very possible to construct a space station in secret, depending on the level of technology this guy posesses, like if he is FTL capable than he could go well beyond the range of any conventional "space radar" and build there, or he could activate what I like to call a "cloaking device" and mask any resupplies or liftoffs, which may go unnoticed any way given the amount of traffic a space nation generates, depending of course on whether or not he has this technology

actually it's not any of those. I knew it would be highly unlikey to hide the construction of it from radar already, unless it was masked by a cluster of objects. I have the space station being built in an asteroid feild. Many large asteroids have been set up in front of the station, in progress, in order to protect it from smaller asteroids, and missile defense systems have been taking out larger peices that the barriers wouldn't stop. The "rocks" were set in place with booster rockets with a highly advanced A.I. governing their bursts.

As for the shiping of materials there is an outpost already in the field conducting mining operations. I have simply placed that the orders are for the station, but in fact they get routed through the station. And, on a predetermined path, make their way to the construction zone.

And with the Asteroid belt all of this is hidden from radar. Yes it is true that it could still be seen with the naked eye like the ISS, but that station is white which is why it is so bright. If you remember from art class white is a reflective color. The station being built has been given a special tinting that does not reflect light, hence problem solved with being able to see it

So... If you have any more wise ass comments please share.

actually it's not any of those. I knew it would be highly unlikey to hide the construction of it from radar already, unless it was masked by a cluster of objects. I have the space station being built in an asteroid feild. Many large asteroids have been set up in front of the station, in progress, in order to protect it from smaller asteroids, and missile defense systems have been taking out larger peices that the barriers wouldn't stop. The "rocks" were set in place with booster rockets with a highly advanced A.I. governing their bursts.

As for the shiping of materials there is an outpost already in the field conducting mining operations. I have simply placed that the orders are for the station, but in fact they get routed through the station. And, on a predetermined path, make their way to the construction zone.

And with the Asteroid belt all of this is hidden from radar. Yes it is true that it could still be seen with the naked eye like the ISS, but that station is white which is why it is so bright. If you remember from art class white is a reflective color. The station being built has been given a special tinting that does not reflect light, hence problem solved with being able to see it

So... If you have any more wise ass comments please share.

wouldn't be suspicious for an asteroid field to appear out of nowhere to be normal? it would surely have attracted much attention from many government space programs as well as the local stargazer next door...

and also your space station would be and can be seen by any passing space vessel or probably anther space station that happens to orbit passed your space station...applies if you consider yourself in the future tech level, with the hundreds of other future tech level nations...

Come on don't you think i thought of that already. i started construction in an asteroid belt. I dont think i could even move an entire belt to a certain location. And unless someone has a huge database consisting of all the asteroids in a belt and where they should end up, which is improbable, they wont see the fluxuation of their orbits.

I've got 2 reasons why there wouldn't be a station close enough to see my construction. One no one would build a station that close to an asteroid field without some special protection. And two my nation's territory is the galaxy in which it is being built no one be that stupid to build a station without my permision, nor would they succed since my forces would get to it before it is completed.

as for ships, well there is a defense force in the area that is alerted whenever a ship comes too close

yes I am future oriented

I welcome your country into the deep bowls known as space. May your reign of it last long, before your utter defeate by some more powerful force.

Come on don't you think i thought of that already. i started construction in an asteroid belt. I dont think i could even move an entire belt to a certain location. And unless someone has a huge database consisting of all the asteroids in a belt and where they should end up, which is improbable, they wont see the fluxuation of their orbits.

I've got 2 reasons why there wouldn't be a station close enough to see my construction. One no one would build a station that close to an asteroid field without some special protection. And two my nation's territory is the galaxy in which it is being built no one be that stupid to build a station without my permision, nor would they succed since my forces would get to it before it is completed.

as for ships, well there is a defense force in the area that is alerted whenever a ship comes too close

yes I am future oriented

I thought you were building it in the SOL system. Since it was not stated what system, I think everyone was assuming it was here. My nation has placed an orbital city (Babylon 1) and my comment about looking out my window was from that point of view, not from Earth.

I also have numerous mining operations in our asteroid belt and I am keeping a 100,000 Km bufferzone between myself and other known operations. This is to both allow for asteroid movement and respect for other nations operations. There is a good sized area for you to hide from me without knowing you are there.

If you are in the Sol system, please feel free to contact me if you need additional resources or contact Babylon 1 if you need to dock. Either of us are able to provide rescue support if needed.