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Wow, this just may kill all respect for me, but here it goes.

I understand why FWS went "back in time" and just basically ignored all of those that attacked him. Though he did post pointless posts, though he was offensive, though he did godmod, and though he generally annoyed people, none of this should have happened to him. As in invasion, nuking, ignoring.

No matter how much he annoyed you, what SHOULD have happened is that he should have been sent to the NationStates University or any equivalent, or perhaps just mentored by a talented RPer. The, he might have started good RPs that benefited the entire community. Instead, you killed his enthusiasm for the game, and generally baited and alienated him. Yes, I did read a lot of his 2000+ posts, yes he offended me as a Jew at times, but lowering yourself to his level was NOT the answer.

Okay, you can all flame and I.G.N.O.R.E. cannon me now.

Secret OOC: *sighs* I tend to be self-righteous too much...

OOC: Hi Max!

OOC: All I can say is that I have tremendous admiration for your self-control, mate...

I back up Lindin. And IC wise, I am pissed that his nations population is just being killed. You guys aren't invading/slaughtering him because of IC reasons. Your doing it because you don't like him OOC wise, and that's what pisses me off most.

OOC: nice post. But the mob wants FWS dead. And the mob always gets what the mob wants.

OOC: All I can say is that I have tremendous admiration for your self-control, mate...

OOC: LoL, you should see me otherwise... My friends would have to disagree with you! ;)

My reasons are IC. When the first beat down on him came, I shelled his nation a bit. He sunk some of my ships. Of course there are OOC reasons, but ICly it's revenge. And the whole weapons and warmongering thing.

I back up Lindin. And IC wise, I am pissed that his nations population is just being killed. You guys aren't invading/slaughtering him because of IC reasons. Your doing it because you don't like him OOC wise, and that's what pisses me off most.

OOC: No, I did it for purely IC reasons. IE: his excessive WMD use, his excessive warmongering, etc.

No OOC reasons were the cause of my invasion. My invasion was not godmodded, he walked right into my trap.

OOC: No, everyone did it for OOC reasons first, IC excuses second. You should have just helped him RP better. Then again, who am I to talk?

two words: mob rule

Great post, only most people don't like the humiliation of admitting defeat/weakness/faults, so he might not go along with being mentored.

OOC: nice post. But the mob wants FWS dead. And the mob always gets what the mob wants.

Well a lot of lynch mobs in the rural south in the 20s wanted a lot of blacks dead... Would you give them what they wanted?

Wow, this just may kill all respect for me, but here it goes.

I understand why FWS went "back in time" and just basically ignored all of those that attacked him. Though he did post pointless posts, though he was offensive, though he did godmod, and though he generally annoyed people, none of this should have happened to him. As in invasion, nuking, ignoring.

No matter how much he annoyed you, what SHOULD have happened is that he should have been sent to the NationStates University or any equivalent, or perhaps just mentored by a talented RPer. The, he might have started good RPs that benefited the entire community. Instead, you killed his enthusiasm for the game, and generally baited and alienated him. Yes, I did read a lot of his 2000+ posts, yes he offended me as a Jew at times, but lowering yourself to his level was NOT the answer.

Okay, you can all flame and I.G.N.O.R.E. cannon me now.

Secret OOC: *sighs* I tend to be self-righteous too much...

OOC: Hi Max!


They loved the IG-Virus outbreak, the earlier war crimes trials... I got great reviews on them... But then nobody helps me when I mess up on other things... Why won't anybody help me... All I wanted was to have fun and become a good RPer...

-meh-

two words: mob rule Two words: Brainwashed.


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Oh wait a minute...

OOC: To tell you the truth, if somebody did to me what I did to FWS without me knowing it, I'd tip my hat off to them......

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=146981&highlight=

need I say more

Well, the mob is after a bunch of white supremecists. Not blacks. And white supremecists aren't people.


Oh... I'm glad to see your double standard so blantantly exposed... Also the word is supremacists. SPELL IT RIGHT YOU FOOL!!!

OOC: Chellis did it because, first, it didnt like a heavily armed nation right next to its colony, and second, because we practice imperialism for capitalism(Complicated, and OOC info). I talk to FWS OOC, hes not that bad of a guy.

OOC: Chellis did it because, first, it didnt like a heavily armed nation right next to its colony, and second, because we practice imperialism for capitalism(Complicated, and OOC info). I talk to FWS OOC, hes not that bad of a guy.

OOC: FWS, here are several suggestions:

Start a new country and don't tell anyone you are FWS.

Don't make it a FWS, that is very hard to RP.

Start off smal, a few posts in the UN, join an alliance, be small and quiet at first.

Read a lot of the good RP's, especially that future tech one in the Archived threads.

Then, just RP small things, disasters and such

Then, RP the "fun" part. War! But realistically. Very. And no unconventional weapons.

I'm older than you and have never done a war yet. Yet.

OOC: To tell you the truth, if somebody did to me what I did to FWS without me knowing it, I'd tip my hat off to them......

I knew what you were planning... I knew you were likely a backstabber... I just wanted the world to see it... I knew I'd "weasel" my way out... As you would probably call it.

Well, the mob is after a bunch of white supremecists. Not blacks. And white supremecists aren't people.


Oh... I'm glad to see your double standard so blantantly exposed... Also the word is supremacists. SPELL IT RIGHT YOU FOOL!!!

Also, relax. Flamers will always exist.

OOC: Chellis did it because, first, it didnt like a heavily armed nation right next to its colony, and second, because we practice imperialism for capitalism(Complicated, and OOC info). I talk to FWS OOC, hes not that bad of a guy.


1) We were not heavily armed compared to any of you.

2) You can have the land... You are in 2004... We are in 1994 living it up..

3) FWS is indeed a good guy.

IDF, you need to cool off. I am going to appeal to you on a religious basis, and ask that you just ignore FWS for a while. Really ignore, and not respond at all.

I understand why you are pissed at him, many OOC anti-semitic comments, but you need to be better than that.

alright lets get things straight. going back in tims was bs but so was invading the poor guys country and giving him no escape route. if he wants to go back in time thats his prerogative.

OOC: Chellis did it because, first, it didnt like a heavily armed nation right next to its colony, and second, because we practice imperialism for capitalism(Complicated, and OOC info). I talk to FWS OOC, hes not that bad of a guy.


1) We were not heavily armed compared to any of you.

2) You can have the land... You are in 2004... We are in 1994 living it up..

3) FWS is indeed a good guy.

For your population, you were very armed. 10 guns for every person is quite armed.

And I know I can have the land. I took it from you, in 2004. I ignore future tech(aka time travel).

OOC: To tell you the truth, if somebody did to me what I did to FWS without me knowing it, I'd tip my hat off to them......

I knew what you were planning... I knew you were likely a backstabber... I just wanted the world to see it... I knew I'd "weasel" my way out... As you would probably call it.

OOC: But c'mon, I spent almost a RL week planning this, and over an hour typing my final attack post. Is what your doing fair to me? No.

Would I be happy if you put up a fight? Yes. Do I hope you put up a fight? Yes.

FWS, really, start a new nation but do not tell anyone it is you.

Except for me, of course. :wink:

do you want me to use my future tech nation to come back and hit 1994 FWS? I can do it by using a B'Rel class bird of prey (I have 4) to slingshot around the sun and go back in time (just like in Star Trek IV)

alright lets get things straight. going back in tims was bs but so was invading the poor guys country and giving him no escape route. if he wants to go back in time thats his prerogative.

OOC: He walked right into my trap, you cannot blame me for that.

I'm just playing the game here people.

Three words: Mobs rule :twisted:

do you want me to use my future tech nation to come back and hit 1994 FWS? I can do it by using a B'Rel class bird of prey (I have 4) to slingshot around the sun and go back in time (just like in Star Trek IV)

OOC: I have several future tech nations I can use, so FWS: just accept what happened and try to stay alive.

OOC: FWS, here are several suggestions:

Start a new country and don't tell anyone you are FWS.

Don't make it a FWS, that is very hard to RP.

Start off smal, a few posts in the UN, join an alliance, be small and quiet at first.

Read a lot of the good RP's, especially that future tech one in the Archived threads.

Then, just RP small things, disasters and such

Then, RP the "fun" part. War! But realistically. Very. And no unconventional weapons.

I'm older than you and have never done a war yet. Yet.


Thank you for the advice... But...

I don't want a new nation :( ... I want this nation... I don't want to spend hours making new names and background information :( ... I also don't want to have make a new map, a new nation history :( ... I don't want to have to be communist just to play the game..

AMF, chill. Yes, you did "trick" him, but let him breath. You attacked him IC and OOC.

You are one of the biggest around, I respect that, but you... got TOO into it.

......


*I feel good, writing an intelligent post. Ego++*

Listen up. What I did was for IC and OOC.
ICly: he invaded my ally, and he is a fascist and deporting jews and blacks etc etc.
OOC; you obviously havent talked to him thoroughly chellis. Persist and he will go on about how the "niggers" are stealing "american jobs" and how they should be kicked out of the country. His "list of brain power" isnt great either;
Top: Whites, Asian's, Arab's, Jew's, Mexicans, blacks: bottom
Notice how he picks on the people who have less power. Typical nationalist.
ICly I have hostile relations, and OOCly when you get him started I hate him.

Anyway, thats my anti-right wing blabber, so yes we did treat him unfairly. But he best thing to do for him would be to ignore us, or not godmod back. That way he would have earned more respect.

LoL, you don't have to be communist, look at me! I am a very capitalizt, democratic nation.

I suggest a regime change, like what Credonia did.

OOC: To tell you the truth, if somebody did to me what I did to FWS without me knowing it, I'd tip my hat off to them......

I knew what you were planning... I knew you were likely a backstabber... I just wanted the world to see it... I knew I'd "weasel" my way out... As you would probably call it.

OOC: But c'mon, I spent almost a RL week planning this, and over an hour typing my final attack post. Is what your doing fair to me? No.

Would I be happy if you put up a fight? Yes. Do I hope you put up a fight? Yes.


I spent 1 month in this game... I told my friends daily updates... I get really excited over things such as this... I got some to join in also... What about me??? Or in your world AMF is all that matters... Probably a reflection on the man behind AMF.

AMF, chill. Yes, you did "trick" him, but let him breath. You attacked him IC and OOC.

You are one of the biggest around, I respect that, but you... got TOO into it.



OOC: I get very pissed when I put an hour into an elaborate post jsut to have him godmod his way out of it. I'm not to blame here.

I spent 1 month in this game... I told my friends daily updates... I get really excited over things such as this... I got some to join in also... What about me??? Or in your world AMF is all that matters... Probably a reflection on the man behind AMF.

OOC: 1 year spent on this game buddy.

Don't even start talking about me and my personal life.

AMF, chill. Yes, you did "trick" him, but let him breath. You attacked him IC and OOC.

You are one of the biggest around, I respect that, but you... got TOO into it.



OOC: I get very pissed when I put an hour into an elaborate post jsut to have him godmod his way out of it. I'm not to blame here.


How long did I put into the IG-Virus outbreak? Over 5 days... How long did I put into the Communist uprising? The FWS World factbook... The TK interrogation methods... The War crimes trials... Everything else... I put time in you know... You're not the only one who can spend an hour...

OCC: You are probably the only one who can spend an hour without running spell check to make your long posts truly great.

OOC: Yes, I understand he didn't exactly play fair it fight it out.

However, I am going to say be divine, and forgive.

Well, the mob is after a bunch of white supremecists. Not blacks. And white supremecists aren't people.


Oh... I'm glad to see your double standard so blantantly exposed... Also the word is supremacists. SPELL IT RIGHT YOU FOOL!!!

So one word. Twice. In practically my ENTIRE time on nation states.

OCC: You are probably the only one who can spend an hour without running spell check to make your long posts truly great.

OOC: Thank you.

I know it's hard losing something that's dear to you, God knows I'd hate to lose AMF. But I'd give it up in a heatbeat if an invasion was done properly. I'd be willing to take my loss if i truely lost. That's what makes a great player.

This game can be very addicting, and it makes people identify themselves closely with their nation.

Therefore, we all have to be very careful...

Wait...now I see the invaders point of view, IC wise. Because the government is heavily armed, they need to kill every man, woman, and child in the nation, whether they support the governmnet or not. What a bunch of bull, your doing it for OOC first, then IC as a cover story.

Listen up. What I did was for IC and OOC.
ICly: he invaded my ally, and he is a fascist and deporting jews and blacks etc etc.
OOC; you obviously havent talked to him thoroughly chellis. Persist and he will go on about how the "niggers" are stealing "american jobs" and how they should be kicked out of the country. His "list of brain power" isnt great either;
Top: Whites, Asian's, Arab's, Jew's, Mexicans, blacks: bottom
Notice how he picks on the people who have less power. Typical nationalist.
ICly I have hostile relations, and OOCly when you get him started I hate him.

Anyway, thats my anti-right wing blabber, so yes we did treat him unfairly. But he best thing to do for him would be to ignore us, or not godmod back. That way he would have earned more respect.

I know about this. I dont think blacks, etc, are ruining the country, but immigration is becoming a problem in North America and Europe. Im a radicalist by heart, so while I dont really agree with him, I understand his position.

Wait...now I see the invaders point of view, IC wise. Because the government is heavily armed, they need to kill every man, woman, and child in the nation, whether they support the governmnet or not. What a bunch of bull, your doing it for OOC first, then IC as a cover story.

OOC: Wrong. Clearly you have failed to pay attention to the thread I made when I bailed FWS out of trouble. Those were IC reasons.

Then I attack FWS because ICly he abused my protection and my money, pouring it into chem/bio weapons and then using them as if they were bullets.

There are plenty of IC reasons.

Wait...now I see the invaders point of view, IC wise. Because the government is heavily armed, they need to kill every man, woman, and child in the nation, whether they support the governmnet or not. What a bunch of bull, your doing it for OOC first, then IC as a cover story.

OOC: Wrong. Clearly you have failed to pay attention to the thread I made when I bailed FWS out of trouble. Those were IC reasons.

Then I attack FWS because ICly he abused my protection and my money, pouring it into chem/bio weapons and then using them as if they were bullets.

There are plenty of IC reasons.

I know, AMF, just please. Forget it and start over.

*literally begging*

But wait, AMF already bailed him out once, already left him be and what happened? We all know what happened. Now FWS just ignores AMF's attack. OK, so it's a pretty underhanded thing to do, but time-travelling in order to stop it is just silly. As is repeatedly moving the goalposts to try and get out of it. Hell, if I were invaded by AMF I'd try and fight. I'd probably surrender before long, but at least I'd try.

I know, AMF, just please. Forget it and start over.

*literally begging*

OOC: No, I'm not going to start over jsut because soembody is unhappy witht the results of this. I'm not going to start over because FWS wants to do anything he pleases without having to face consequence.

Wait...now I see the invaders point of view, IC wise. Because the government is heavily armed, they need to kill every man, woman, and child in the nation, whether they support the governmnet or not. What a bunch of bull, your doing it for OOC first, then IC as a cover story.

OOC: Wrong. Clearly you have failed to pay attention to the thread I made when I bailed FWS out of trouble. Those were IC reasons.

Then I attack FWS because ICly he abused my protection and my money, pouring it into chem/bio weapons and then using them as if they were bullets.

There are plenty of IC reasons.

AMF, you don't get it!

If you were attacking FWS for those reasons, that would be fine. Totally legit. But your not. Your utterlly SLAUGHTERING his entire population for their government's crimes. Your troops, as you yourself said, are shooting everything that moves, man, woman, child, or even family pet. Why? Becuase their government did evil things.

Now, I agree with you. We need to totally destroy Germany next due to Hitler. Then France due to Napolean. Next England, due to w/e King it was that tried to give the US taxation without representation. Next, we need to take out Russia, due to Stalin. After that, China, then Brazil, then every other nation on the planet that has ever had an evil government.

That includes the US.

Not to mention, how do you expect your troops to shoot children without feeling remorse? To kill innocents and not feel bad?

OOC/ Fair enough Chellis
Dont you all go making statements about AMF's posts. Now im not sucking up, but he has a valid point. Making a huge post well written and then having it ignored is annoying. Very annoying. Just like the time I spent 5 Hours ona forum for the RBA, but they didn't like it so it was scratched. Anyway, RP'ed well I would give my nation up. Hell, ive just started a 1v1 war with a 2.75 Billion nation, and im only 1.6 Billion. He has trained elite troops, I have raw HLA recruits with bolt action rifles ready to fight. Who cares if your nation is destroyed. I Would be, but if you are up against any good RPer they will let you RP as rebel's or resistance or whatever. I know if I would have conquered FWS I would let there be a "Free FWS" The point is, if FWS actually did descriptive posts then he would be a better RPer. Its not just logistics and how you manage your troops.

Oh and FPS, he maybe slaughtering an entire nation but you arent one to do anything about it.

Why dont you just start again? One thing I dont like is the "government type in name" sorta thing. It doesnt give you much of a variety.

OOC: Personally, if AMF invaded me, I would distribute weapons and hope for the best. Seeing as its AMF, quite possibly call for an occupation truce, after my military was defeated.

Okay then, I have a solution.

FWS, RP out your resistance, and then eventually lose, and you probably will. Or not. This is just a suggestion.

After you lose, AMF will create a new, democratic, generally likable government in place of the old one. AMF will withdraw, assured the the new FWS is no longer F, or W, or a bad RPer. FWS becomes a good RPer, and the community generally benefits from the ordeal.

Okay?

Look, AMF provided IC support to FWS and FWS spat on it, exploited it to develop WMD programmes and unleash horrific destruction upon other nations. If you ask me this is just payback, pure and simple, a slapping-down of the kind that is sorely needed.

OOC: I think they have no morals because they were trained with the Austro Hungary DVD. or whatever his nation was called.

AMF, you don't get it!

If you were attacking FWS for those reasons, that would be fine. Totally legit. But your not. Your utterlly SLAUGHTERING his entire population for their government's crimes. Your troops, as you yourself said, are shooting everything that moves, man, woman, child, or even family pet. Why? Becuase their government did evil things.

Now, I agree with you. We need to totally destroy Germany next due to Hitler. Then France due to Napolean. Next England, due to w/e King it was that tried to give the US taxation without representation. Next, we need to take out Russia, due to Stalin. After that, China, then Brazil, then every other nation on the planet that has ever had an evil government.

That includes the US.

Not to mention, how do you expect your troops to shoot children without feeling remorse? To kill innocents and not feel bad?

OOC: You don't understand anything, do you?

I am attacking for IC reasons, and every single time I attack another country, I kill everything, understand? That's how I operate. don't like it? Too bad.

How do I expect my troops to kill children with no remorse, read my threads in the Archive about my Sentinels. Do some research first before yelling at me.

If AMF invaded me I would not surrender. Every city, every town, every village, would lay desolated, every farm salted, every forest burned but I would not surrender. I would not surrender every last brick in my nation was not standing upon another.

OOC/ Fair enough Chellis
Oh and FPS, he maybe slaughtering an entire nation but you arent one to do anything about it.

And why not? Because I don't have as many posts as AMF? Because I'm not a mercisless slaughterer? Look at his pop buddy, only 400 million more then me, which means if worst comes to worse, he's maybe got a tenth more nukes then me, and maybe three times my military (peacefull nations don't keep much, that includes me).

Aye, but you would I imagine RP the desolation, burning and salting, not just say "I JUMP BACK TO 1994 AND 1GN0RE J00!!!!!!11111" or words to that effect.

Aye, but you would I imagine RP the desolation, burning and salting, not just say "I JUMP BACK TO 1994 AND 1GN0RE J00!!!!!!11111" or words to that effect.

Now that point I can't fight.

Well, AMF has allies. Lots of us.

Okay then, I have a solution.

FWS, RP out your resistance, and then eventually lose, and you probably will. Or not. This is just a suggestion.

After you lose, AMF will create a new, democratic, generally likable government in place of the old one. AMF will withdraw, assured the the new FWS is no longer F, or W, or a bad RPer. FWS becomes a good RPer, and the community generally benefits from the ordeal.

Okay?


I don't want to have a nation that resembles modern day america with pathethic democracy... I wanted to have a different nation...

Okay then, I have a solution.

FWS, RP out your resistance, and then eventually lose, and you probably will. Or not. This is just a suggestion.

After you lose, AMF will create a new, democratic, generally likable government in place of the old one. AMF will withdraw, assured the the new FWS is no longer F, or W, or a bad RPer. FWS becomes a good RPer, and the community generally benefits from the ordeal.

Okay?


I don't want to have a nation that resembles modern day america with pathethic democracy... I wanted to have a different nation...

Whatever. Just a different, easier to RP nation.

Well, AMF has allies. Lots of us.

OOC: Plus I've spent the past year trying to build myself up to be the biggest, baddest MF'er on NationStates.

I'm not the end-all-be-all of NS, but I think I've progressed quite nicely.

Hey, you got a big achievement. I have never seen anyone get that many posts in that short of a time.

I don't think anyone objects to you having a fascist nation, least of all AMF, über-fascist-nation par excellence.

Hey, you got a big achievement. I have never seen anyone get that many posts in that short of a time.

Ditto. You have more posts than some 2003ers.

The Principality of Yornia
Received: 3 minutes ago Rhodesia was the name that the British gave the country when it used to be a part of their empire. The fact that you believe it is the true name for it disgusts me, because that's an insult to those people who live there. A lot of their citizens cheered knowing that the British were leaving when they did in 1980, and happily renamed their country Zimbabwe once again. Rightful name? Bah.




My reply.



The British were gone in 1965 when on November 11th, 1965... Ian Smith told them to go to hell.. Well he put it a lot more eloquently.


And you sir... You may also go to hell.

Well, AMF has allies. Lots of us.

OOC: Plus I've spent the past year trying to build myself up to be the biggest, baddest MF'er on NationStates.

I'm not the end-all-be-all of NS, but I think I've progressed quite nicely.

As I pointed out in my post on the last page, your right, you could easily kick my ass. But I can still object all the sam hell I like, and still call you worse then him, and perhaps even Hitler. Long as I don't do anything about it, doesn't matter.

Not that it does matter. Don't piss me off's comment totally shot down the majority of my arguments...scratch that, all of my arguments in seconds.

Yeah, FWS, it is just your OOC comments and godmodding that annoy people. Let AMF invade you, and then occupy you, and then leave you.

Keep your gov't for all I care.

I don't think anyone objects to you having a fascist nation, least of all AMF, über-fascist-nation par excellence.


WELL HOT DAMN!!! I HOPE NOBODY OBJECTS TO ME PUTTING MY FUCKING FIST THROUGH MY GODDAMN WINDOW EITHER...

OH WAIT!!! THE NEIGHBORS MIGHT OBJECT TO THE NOISE...

YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING THESE DAYS...


I BETTER GO MOD-CALL MYSELF BECAUSE I JUST SWORE... SON OF A BITCH HOW DID THAT HAPPEN...

I don't think anyone objects to you having a fascist nation, least of all AMF, über-fascist-nation par excellence.


WELL HOT DAMN!!! I HOPE NOBODY OBJECTS TO ME PUTTING MY f--- FIST THROUGH MY GODDAMN WINDOW EITHER...

OH WAIT!!! THE NEIGHBORS MIGHT OBJECT TO THE NOISE...

YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING THESE DAYS...


I BETTER GO MOD-CALL MYSELF BECAUSE I JUST SWORE... SON OF A BITCH HOW DID THAT HAPPEN...

Yeah, FWS, it is just your OOC comments and godmodding that annoy people. Let AMF invade you, and then occupy you, and then leave you.

Keep your gov't for all I care.

Also, chill.

FWS, calm down man. I'm sure this can be settled in a fair, unbaised way by those involved.