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do these logistical to military and personnel garrisons look right for a nation of my size?

Air

10 KC-135 Stratotanker
2 CN-90B Tracer AWACS
50 C-17 Globemaster
20 EA-6B Prowler
50 P-7 (LRAACA)

30 MiG-29 Fulcrums
35 F-16 Fighting Falcons
10 F-15E Eagles
100 A-10
100 F-18
100 F-22 Raptors

100 Black Hawks
200 Commanches

4,000 Pilots
16,000 Support Peoples (Mechanics, arming, fueling, etc)

Land


Anti Aircraft/Missle

1,500 Patriot Anti Missle/Aircraft
1,000 Raytheon Mom-23 Hawk
900 M730A2 Guided Missile Equipment Carrier
180 THAAD Anti Missle

12,000 Peoples Arming the bateries, guarding them, maintaining.


Logistical:
300 M548A3 Cargo Carrier
400 M-939A2 5-Ton Truck
300 M1000 Semitrailer
900 M1078 Standard Cargo Truck
60 M4 Command and Control Vehicle
1000 Armored Medical Treatment Vehicle
500 LAV Ambulance (LAV-A)
500 XM1091 Fuel/Water Tanker
100 M992 FAASV Field Artillery Ammunition Supply Vehicle

25,000 Troops supporting Logistical Support and Vehicles.


Railways:

50 SD70M (Train Engines)
500 Box Cars
500 Refridgerated Cars
500 Tank Cars
600 Stock Cars
800 Gondola Cars
900 Flat Cars

total 57,000 supporting the air force, defensive batteries and logistical.


300,000 in the armed forces.

No tanks. No fighting vehicles yet.

what weak army mine is 40 odd million includin logicstis and naval and air land and space

Yes but you are an idiot Sephiroth, so you don't count. That's almost 10% of your population....

*AHem* Looks good Shmorgasborg

...my nation only has 27 million people. yours has 257.

lookin good scmorg. 8)

yeah well 90 percent of it is clone forces

What is a good number to take for your military normally I take 5%, is that to high? In my region their is also almost 100% adult unemployment, thus opening up more people for the military.

Which makes you even worse, Sephrioth

What is a good number to take for your military normally I take 5%, is that to high? In my region their is also almost 100% adult unemployment, thus opening up more people for the military.

Depends on culture and economy, but 5% is a relatively high figure (though not gomdodding in itself). 5% sits more towards the quantity rather than quality side of military equipment avaliable, however.

And on unemployment. Yes, there is more avaliable manpower, but welfare payments and the lack of tax revenue limits the amount of money avaliable for wages and equipment.

oh well then that makes it ok...
*tries not to flame*

thanks. Currently im not really interested in offensive forces...i dont plan on starting any wars with anyone, so im stocking up on defensive aircraft and SAM, AA, or Anti Misle sites. Im also building LOTS of early warning/detection/interception sites. each sight has a radar station, with radar and a new radar technology me and seleetris are developing with seperate incoming/outgoing OC-48 Fibreoptic lines, with a small airforce garrison of 5 Fighter craft, and 3 helicopter with a 800 man garrison. It will have 3 THAAD's, 4 Patriots, and about 3 M730A2 Guided Missile Equipment Carriers, and 6 Linebacker AA tanks.

There will be MANY along my borders, and several peppered over the country.

Wow my total armed forces (including logistics, army, navy and airforce) is only 600,000 (more details (www.praetonia.tk)) and I have a 235 million population! But then that is only 0.24% and I rely on a smaller, highly trained armed forces plus I work on the fact that it is impossible to deploy the huge armies most nations have in any realistic time frame.

What is a good number to take for your military normally I take 5%, is that to high? In my region their is also almost 100% adult unemployment, thus opening up more people for the military.


well, thats about the maximum you can have without being totally unrealistic. the general "safe" nunber i think is considered to be 2.5-5% percent, so yeah, you're good

ooc why fluffywuffy
ic i dont give a damn clones are easy to replace

What is a good number to take for your military normally I take 5%, is that to high? In my region their is also almost 100% adult unemployment, thus opening up more people for the military.

Depends on culture and economy, but 5% is a relatively high figure (though not gomdodding in itself). 5% sits more towards the quantity rather than quality side of military equipment avaliable, however.

Not if your an old nation, the older you are, the more population, the more taxes, the more money to training the individual soldier, thus better soldiers and more of them.

Wow my total armed forces (including logistics, army, navy and airforce) is only 600,000 (more details (www.praetonia.tk)) and I have a 235 million population! But then that is only 0.24% and I rely on a smaller, highly trained armed forces plus I work on the fact that it is impossible to deploy the huge armies most nations have in any realistic time frame.

and everyone loves you, right? :D

ooc why fluffywuffy
ic i dont give a damn clones are easy to replace

future, near future? please dont tell me you're modern, becuase that would be bad. also, cloned animals generally are physically weak and riddled with genetic defects and dont live past they're middle years.

What is a good number to take for your military normally I take 5%, is that to high? In my region their is also almost 100% adult unemployment, thus opening up more people for the military.

Depends on culture and economy, but 5% is a relatively high figure (though not gomdodding in itself). 5% sits more towards the quantity rather than quality side of military equipment avaliable, however.

Not if your an old nation, the older you are, the more population, the more taxes, the more money to training the individual soldier, thus better soldiers and more of them.

Well, in the very basic concept. If you have five percent military in the military and I have one, and we have equal budgets, I can afford to give each soldier five times the monetary value of training and equipment. Simple division.

I would say that 5% is way too much, unless your economy is at least Powerhouse, and then with you paying them a pitance and giving them a second-hand cloth uniform, an AK and 200 rounds.

Wow my total armed forces (including logistics, army, navy and airforce) is only 600,000 (more details (www.praetonia.tk)) and I have a 235 million population! But then that is only 0.24% and I rely on a smaller, highly trained armed forces plus I work on the fact that it is impossible to deploy the huge armies most nations have in any realistic time frame.

what about national defense? somebody with a much larger military could swamp you with sheer numbers alone

Those numbers look alright, if not a little underpowered, but you know that. Just get some tanks, and you'd be good.

And Sephrioth, you're a joke around here. No one takes you seriously. N00b.

im future why do you ask

ooc why fluffywuffy
ic i dont give a damn clones are easy to replace

Let's not mention that I believe they actualy must be given birth to, be given care from childhood to adulthood, etc. etc. for the whole, longer, time. It's much cheaper, and more effective, to take your own naturaly occuring people. Clones, as Greater Valia has said, suffer from many aging problems, such as getting arthritis at a young age.

Regardless of your futureness, you must still raise the clones, and that will cost you a bunch.

Wow my total armed forces (including logistics, army, navy and airforce) is only 600,000 (more details (www.praetonia.tk)) and I have a 235 million population! But then that is only 0.24% and I rely on a smaller, highly trained armed forces plus I work on the fact that it is impossible to deploy the huge armies most nations have in any realistic time frame.

and everyone loves you, right? :D

Actually, no. But my nation is an island and has quite a lot of coastal fortification. Although 600,000 is not a small army, it's just a comparitevly small army because most nations on NS have huge armies. Or better think of it like this:

5% of 235million is 11.75 million. That is an insanely huge army. Now, not only is it an immense drain on my (powerhouse) economy, but it is also fairly useless as the soldiers are not getting paid much (likely to mutiny), are badly trained and poorly equipped (likely to die horribly, ignore orders, run out of supplies very quickly) and aren't very effective as a fighting force (impossible to deploy - logistics nightmare - aren't actually that good at fighting and is very slow and lumbering). Therefore I'd much rather stick to my small, professional, superbly equipped and relatively cheap fighting force.

ooc why fluffywuffy
ic i dont give a damn clones are easy to replace

Let's not mention that I believe they actualy must be given birth to, be given care from childhood to adulthood, etc. etc. for the whole, longer, time. It's much cheaper, and more effective, to take your own naturaly occuring people. Clones, as Greater Valia has said, suffer from many aging problems, such as getting arthritis at a young age.

a w00t for using science to destroy pathetic god modding

yeah i supose so but it would mean my army wouldnot be big

a w00t for using science to destroy pathetic god modding

w00t for the collective effort!

yeah i supose so but it would mean my army wouldnot be big

Exactly. And you started this whole clone thing to prove that your army could be unrealisticly big.

Wow my total armed forces (including logistics, army, navy and airforce) is only 600,000 (more details (www.praetonia.tk)) and I have a 235 million population! But then that is only 0.24% and I rely on a smaller, highly trained armed forces plus I work on the fact that it is impossible to deploy the huge armies most nations have in any realistic time frame.

and everyone loves you, right? :D

Actually, no. But my nation is an island and has quite a lot of coastal fortification. Although 600,000 is not a small army, it's just a comparitevly small army because most nations on NS have huge armies. Or better think of it like this:

5% of 235million is 11.75 million. That is an insanely huge army. Now, not only is it an immense drain on my (powerhouse) economy, but it is also fairly useless as the soldiers are not getting paid much (likely to mutiny), are badly trained and poorly equipped (likely to die horribly, ignore orders, run out of supplies very quickly) and aren't very effective as a fighting force (impossible to deploy - logistics nightmare - aren't actually that good at fighting and is very slow and lumbering). Therefore I'd much rather stick to my small, professional, superbly equipped and relatively cheap fighting force.

you can avoid all of that by say, having the vast majority of your military as national guard so they they dont do all the stuff as you said. and then having a national defense force of about 600,000 to defend your country

yeah i supose so but it would mean my army wouldnot be big

Why build a large army when you can build a small-ish, elitely trained, force with high tech weaponry, good attention towards each man, etc etc. A massive army with 40 million people is going to get smaller attention for each man, less training, lower tech weapons, etc.

Well if the vast majority of it is national guard then how does that help you? You still have to supply / train them? Wouldn't it just make them worse? I really dont understand your argument.

we will destroy their army

Yeah, but everyone ignores you, and you're considered a joke around here.

Well if the vast majority of it is national guard then how does that help you? You still have to supply / train them? Wouldn't it just make them worse? I really dont understand your argument.

They could be part-time soldiers (as the National Gaurd here in the US is) and still contribute to society by taking jobs, etc.

Well if the vast majority of it is national guard then how does that help you? You still have to supply / train them? Wouldn't it just make them worse? I really dont understand your argument.

They could be part-time soldiers (as the National Gaurd here in the US is) and still contribute to society by taking jobs, etc.

yes, that was what i was trying to say. and they wouldnt be a drain on your economy

we will destroy their army

wtf :roll:

We seem to think alike, Greater Valia...

He's declared what, around ten wars, and been ignored every time simply for his first post in each.

We seem to think alike, Greater Valia...


alliance? :D

Well if the vast majority of it is national guard then how does that help you? You still have to supply / train them? Wouldn't it just make them worse? I really dont understand your argument.

They could be part-time soldiers (as the National Gaurd here in the US is) and still contribute to society by taking jobs, etc.

But you would still need to supply and train them and them being part-time soldiers would make them even worse as a fighting force, plus they couldn't be deployed overseas.

I think Ill stick with my smallish, professional military.

OOC: Spehiroth, whose army are you talking about destroying?

in other word i am going to invade Shmorgasborg then i am going to masicare their armed forces

Perhaps....heh, this is an odd thread for alliance proposals, we have completely hijacked it lol. Sorry, Shmorgasborg

Well if the vast majority of it is national guard then how does that help you? You still have to supply / train them? Wouldn't it just make them worse? I really dont understand your argument.

They could be part-time soldiers (as the National Gaurd here in the US is) and still contribute to society by taking jobs, etc.

But you would still need to supply and train them and them being part-time soldiers would make them even worse as a fighting force, plus they couldn't be deployed overseas.

I think Ill stick with my smallish, professional military.

yeah, you keep saying that. but if you call them in for training once a month for three days to keep them fresh, then i dont see a problem

in other word i am going to invade Shmorgasborg then i am going to masicare their armed forces

Sure. Your first post will be 'we delcare war on shmorgasborg we send 50 star destyroers to take postion over their nation'

You keep trying to fight modern tech nations, even though you are future tech.

No offense Sephiroth, but I dont think Shmorgasborg is going to be too desperately worried.

Perhaps....heh, this is an odd thread for alliance proposals, we have completely hijacked it lol. Sorry, Shmorgasborg

since sephiroth has declared war on shcmorasborg, i think we should help, as he is pretty new. (and besides, you know me from the general forum don you?)

Greater Valia, perhaps we will take you up on your National Guard idea. In fact, despite our previous differences you seem like a good nation, would you be interested in entering into an embassy exchange with us?

We should. Good thing I keep two forms of myself, future tech and modern tech....

And yeah, I've seen you in general, though I don't post/debate often in there (I am a terrible debater, I'd end up yelling at you about why the squirels woould be pissed in a political debate)

Greater Valia, perhaps we will take you up on your National Guard idea. In fact, despite our previous differences you seem like a good nation, would you be interested in entering into an embassy exchange with us?

Yes, even though we have had our dissagreements in the past its all water under the bridge now. We would be delighted to have an embassy exchange set up, we believe it would be highly benificial for both of us. Now, it seems sephiroth has declared war on poor Shcmorgasborg, and i propose that we defend him as Sephiroth is..... well, you know what i mean. :wink:

Yes I agree. In fact I've already pledged to support Schmorgasbag, OOC: but I advised him to ignore Sephrioth - the best solution.

Do I even have an army? I am new...

No, you don't really. Nations your size are not very armed. Wait a week or two, then start the military.

Do I even have an army? I am new...

very small, but yes. its my advice to you to stay out of this forum until your population get bigger, but until then stick to general forum :D

Come into the forums, but don't start wars, make threats, start space programs or what have you. Observe and issue statements, do minor things. In a week to two weeks you'll be able to doproper stuff and if you've been observing the forums hopefully you'll skip the n00b phase that Sephrioth is stuck in.

I think Ill stick with my smallish, professional military.

[OOC: I use a military figure of about 3.5 million men in my army (which is less than one percent of my population), including engineers, support personnel, tank and artilery personnel, etc. The bulk of my military population is in the navy, which has close to 1,000 ships, many of them battleships. My air force is somewhat small for my country's size, however.]

Yeah I could have 2.4m and 1%, but I dont want to.