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The Empire of Camewot and the The Democratic Republic of Praetonia together with the Republic of Wrakistan have made a alliance called "Victoria"

Victoria stands for two things:
_ Victory, Latin
_ The great emperess


In this thread anybody will be able to join, Praetonia and Wrakistan should comply here..


The Accords (Can be updated every once in a while we will vote for a resulotion, this is only the first, everybody agrees with this to join)



1. Every member must build an embassy in every other nation joining.
2. Every member must defend a member if he is invaded.(Economicly or Military)
3. A member can get support from the alliance for an attack if he has good and valid reasons for this.
4. All members of Victoria are obligued to provide a monetary discount for all other members of the alliance on any purchase made in a storefront that they own, unless they do not normally give discounts.
5. A Veto can be spoken by a founder, IF the selected option hasent been voted over 70 % OR all nations agree that a Veto cant be spoken
6. Each nation should contribute to the VSEC (= Victoria Space Exploring Center)
7. All nations of the alliance agree to have a democratic system of government with regularly held fair elections. If an alliance member wants to have/keep an un-democratic regime his government must be approved by 60% of the member nations in a vote of all member nations. [ All Dictatorships in Victoria may stay without approval ]
8. A Free Trade Agreement is in place that eliminates trade tarrifs between our nations. This for helping stimulate our economys
9. All nations VA must contribute to the Quick Reaction Force, used for emergencys in VA countrys or other wars.
10. Each VA citizen shall have the possibility to order a free Victoria Alliance ID-Card for purposes wich the government shall decide.





Any new proposals can be posted here as so joinings (Me, Praetonia and Wrakistan must agree)

Members:

Praetonia [Founder,President]
Camewot [Founder, Defence Minister]
Wrakistan [Founder]
National Commonwealth
Island of Rose
Halibris
The O Faolains
Morathania
Hamptonshire
Samotopia
Falastur
Greenmanbry
Momanguise [Vice President]
Fozoni
Scoyle
British Communists
Knopper
The Holy Trant
The Fedral Union
Whittier
Raginsheep
Sevaris
Dimmimar
Notmuchfun
Sarzonia
Tau un ben



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Victoria Alliance Charter

Preamble

We, the Nations of Victoria Alliance, do gather here to affirm this Charter of Victoria Alliance; an organization dedicated to peace, prosperity, unity, and freedom. The Rights and Sovereignity of the member-states shall be protected and left untouched by the Victoria Alliance. It is affirmed that We shall stand together in defense of the common goals and ideas that We share.

Section I- Executive Branch

Article I
There shall be a President of Victoria Alliance to be elected by popular vote once a month. The qualifications for the Presidency- membership in Victoria, democractic government, member in good standing. The President shall be the Official Spokesman for the Victoria Alliance, the Commander-in-Chief of the QRF and any and all other intra-Alliance military ventures, in charge of Victoria Alliance Foreign Policy, and shall at his/her discretion may establish other Ministries with the consent and approval of the Victoria Assembly. Laws and treaties only take effect once the President has signed them. The President may, at his/her own discretion, refuse to sign a Law or treaty. The Presidenial Veto can be overriden by a 2/3rds vote of the Victoria Assembly.

Article II
There shall be a Vice President of Victoria Alliance to be elected by popular vote once a month. The Vice President must be able to meet all qualifications for the Presidency of Victoria Alliance. The Vice President shall assume the Presidency in cases of resignation or impeachment. The Vice President shall assume the title of Acting President in cases of the President's inablity to discharge the powers and duties of the office. The Vice President shall also act in the capacity of Victoria Alliance Foreign Minister. At the request and/or authorization of the President, the Vice President may attend Conferences, Treaty Summits, Negotiations, etc. The Vice President may also initiate meetings with foreign powers for the good of the Alliance at the request of the President.

Article III
There shall be a Cabinet of the President of Victoria Alliance. This Cabinet shall include, but not be limited to, the Vice President of Victoria Alliance and the Defense Minister of Victoria Alliance. The President may establish other Ministries with the consent and approval of the Victoria Assembly. Ministries can only be dispersed by 2/3rds vote of the Victoria Assembly. The President shall put forth several candidates for each Ministry position, at which time the Victoria Assembly will vote to appoint the Candidate of their choosing. These elections will take place no less than every 2 weeks and no more than every month.


Section II- Founders

Article I
The three founding nations of Victoria Alliance shall be given the right to issue a "Founder's Veto." The Veto can only be used under the following circumstances:
-All three founders must unanimously vote to Veto a piece of legislation.
-If two of the three founders vote to Veto, they shall issue a "Partial Veto." A "Partial Veto" may be overriden by a vote of 3/5ths of the Victoria Assembly.
-A 3/4ths vote of the Victoria Assembly may override any "Founder's Veto."
-A "Founder's Veto", or any other Veto, cannot be used to prevent the passage of Amendments to the Victoria Charter, Joint Declarations of War, or the appoinments of duly elected officers selected by the Victoria Assembly

]Section II- Founders
Article II
The Founders shall have the power to approve the membership of new nations, so long as such membership does not violate any Laws of Victoria Alliance. If only 2 Founders decide to deny the application of a potential member, the Assembly, with a vote of 17/20ths, may override their decision and allow membership.


Section III- Victoria Assembly

Article I
The member-nations of Victoria Assembly shall gather together as the Victoria Assembly. The Assembly shall make and ratify all laws, hear impeachment procedings, vote on special-membership circumstances, issue Joint Declarations of War, regulate all intra-alliance organziations, consent with the President to create new Ministries, vote to disband Ministries, vote to appoint Ministers, approve treaties, and propose and ratify Amendments to this Charter. The Assembly shall make no laws nor approve any treaties which infringe upon the sovereign rights of the member-nations.

Article II
All member nations (not including puppets) shall have one vote in the Victoria Assembly. All measures shall be passed by majority vote. In cases of vetoes, the Assembly shall immediately hold a Special Referendum to attempt to override the veto by the necessary margin.

Article III
The President, Vice President, and Ministers may be Impeached by the Victoria Assembly at any time. A 1/3rd vote to begin Impeachment will result in the beginning of official Impeachment Proceedings. Once all reasonable arguments have been heard, the Assembly shall vote to Impeach. If the Impeachment Vote receives 3/5ths or greater "Yes" votes, the officer being Impeached shall be removed from office.

Article IV
Members that have not posted for 4 weeks shall have their membership in Victoria Alliance suspended until such action as deemed reasonable has been undertaken by the suspended member. If a member has not posted for 3 weeks, the Vice President shall send numerious reminders to the member warning about the possible suspension.

Article V
The President of Victoria Alliance, with proper cause and calls for action from the members of Victoria Alliance, may indefinitely suspend member-states who have continuosly exhibited behaviour contrary to the ideals of this Alliance. This action can only be taken after repeated offenses, repeated warnings, and repeated pleas for action. This action can be overriden by a majority vote from the Victoria Assembly. Once the member has been suspended, the Assembly shall decide, with recommendations from the President and Vice President, the action to be taken aganist the offending member.


Section IV- Accords
Upon ratification of this Charter, Accord 5 shall be replaced. The other Accords, after proper rewording, shall automatically become Laws of Victoria Alliance.

The nation of Wrakistan complys to this...

Cam III would like to join.

I agree to these terms as they seem fair to all member nations. However I think that alliance members shouldn't be obligued to help with offensive action, only strongly encouraged. But it's up to you two.

Cam III would like to join.


Praetonia, Wrakistan and Me feel fine with you joining, just say you agree with the accords and you may join..

At Praetonia, if a member has enough reasons to attack somebody the alliance agrees that we may help it but nobody is forced to help an offensive

I propose a fourth Accord:

4) All members of Victoria are obligued to provide a monetary discount for all other members of the alliance on any purchase made in a storefront that they own, unless they do not normally give discounts.

For

For

Classification: Top Secret
To: Central Organisational Body, Victoria Alliance
From: Confederate Foreign Office
Re: Embassy

The Confederacy of The O'Faolains, though not wishing to formalise freindships, wishes to invite members of Victoria to send embassies, the first step to become full allies.

Yours Natasha Strenlikov
Foreign Minister

Classification: Top Secret
To: The O Faolains
From: Praetonian Foreign Office
Subject: Re: Embassy

We accept your request for an embassy exchange and improved diplomatic relations, but we do not understand why it must be secret.

The Republic of National Commonwealth complies with the accord and will join the alliance. We inquire if there are any military requirements?

The preliminary must be kept secret so would be enemies do not attack either embassies whilst they are being set up. Plus I need time to shw my people just how beneficial this will be to our country to eventuall join an Alliance of this calibre.

Yours Natasha Strenlikov
Foreign Minister

The Republic of National Commonwealth complies with the accord and will join the alliance. We inquire if there are any military requirements?

There are no military requirements (ie. you dont have to have x number of nukes or whatever), but there are requirements to defend your allies, although this can be through monetary support if you wish.

I understand The O Faolains and Commonwealth want to join, I am both for if they comply to the accord

I understand The O Faolains and Commonwealth want to join, I am both for if they comply to the accord

Same

Yes I vote for as well.

Im not sure if the O Faolains do yet.

BUMP

I would like to join this alliance. I am currently part of a socialist alliance called the International. Any objections to this?

President Sergei Ilyanov of the Commonwealth of the Island of Rose
UN Delegate of The New Roman Empire
Member of the International

No, not at all, do you comply with the Accord?

Yes, the Parliament of Rose agrees.

Vote:
Join in: 50%
No joiney:30%
Eh:20%

President Sergei Ilyanov of the Commonwealth of the Island of Rose
UN Delegate of The New Roman Empire
Member of the International

Then Praetonia, Wrakistan and Me may vote

I say yes

I vote for The Island of Rose joining.

Me to



You are in,
You may now vote or propose an accord




Currently at stake:

The people of Lasatanians are being mistreated and tortured, should Victoria interfere?

Halibris wishes to join this alliance, and will follow all the set Accords.

I vote for.

Me to and Wrakistan to (just TGed me about it)


You are now an official member Halibris, you may vote on proposals for the accord + proppose an accord yourself..

OOC: The forums are being made!

Our Forums: http://s8.invisionfree.com/Victoria_Alliance

Should we interfere? Of course. But we shouldn't take over the terroritory. We'll just look like war mongerers. Let's just rescue the prisoners.

President Sergei Ilyanov of the Commonwealth of the Island of Rose
UN Delegate of The New Roman Empire
Member of the International
Member of Victoria

Ill make a post about it in our forums, not here please

Thank you.

First, I think we should contact the Lasatanian government(on what pretense, I'm not quite sure). From that, we may gather a new look on the situation, as all we have now are the words of the rebels.

Only posts to join here, everything on the forum!!

We thumb our noses at your alliance, all of your member states are just fodder for the strong.
Have a nice day! :tantrum:

and youre strong?
Ha!

[assume three months have past, publicity for the Alliance in the Confederacy has been on a major scale, hundreds of thousands of peopel have taken to the poll stations to put forward their views. A Small Vessel, the CSS Saragosa, arrives at Camewot's main hrbour requesting entry]

The comment by Lovenotwar and the various popularity polls have set our first beleifs alight, we wish to bring with us hope and liberty to this alliance. We wish to join the Alliance and strongly accept the Terms of the Accord.

Vive la Victoria!!!

Yours in Good faith and Freindship
Marshal Arkadi Strenlikov Minister for External Defence

We thumb our noses at your alliance, all of your member states are just fodder for the strong.
Have a nice day! :tantrum:

Wow you're a really strong nation that is really in a position to say that [/sarcasm]

I'm sure Camewot and Wrakistan will support you, but only Camewot can update the thread and he's gone for a bit. So I'd say you are in as a provisional member, until Camewot and Wrakistan get back and it can be made official.

Shaking in my boots Lovenotwar.

I agree to all accords

Shaking in my boots Lovenotwar.

I agree to all accords

Ok Camewot will add you to the member list when he gets back on. Goi to our message boards (listed above)

Seems like Cam III and the O Faolains joined?

who are the current members?

just look at the first post

BUMP for possible more members

Many people online- BUMP

BUMP

BUMP

Perhaps some refreshments would rake in the recruits.

camewort i wish to join but our milltery must remain our propatry

Perhaps some refreshments would rake in the recruits.

Hu?

camewort i wish to join but our milltery must remain our propatry



You sure we want poor spellers?

Edit: Wrakistan, Camewot and Praetonia say no to you joining, soz guy :P

Let him in.

Let him in.

Only the founders can vote, everyone says no..

The Federation of Morathania would like to join the Victoria Alliance. Thank you very much.

((Camewot have you continued your threats against Lastania(sp)?or like the rest of your alliance have you backed down?))

((Camewot have you continued your threats against Lastania(sp)?or like the rest of your alliance have you backed down?))



We have seazed it all together..



At Morathania, you must agree with all accords first..

The founders must agree, me and Wrakistan say yes, its on Praetonia now

Credonia agrees with the established accord and requests permission to join this alliance.

We agree

Me to- I geuss Credonia and Morathania may join..

For each nation, 2 people said yes and if Praetonia says no on both we still win..

At Praetonia- I hope you dont take this bad but I think they can both join!

Me to- I geuss Credonia and Morathania may join..

For each nation, 2 people said yes and if Praetonia says no on both we still win..

At Praetonia- I hope you dont take this bad but I think they can both join!

Morathania needs to agree on the accords, ill ad Credonia on the list

The young nation of Ferratus would like to request membership to the Victoria Alliance

I dont think Praetonia will object seeing as we are both building an alliance together (the Ottoman Alliance)

I agree, Camewot does to, we need to wait on Praetonia, but he will have no problems..

You need to agree on the accords

I dont think Praetonia will object seeing as we are both building an alliance together (the Ottoman Alliance)


KK, then its setled.

Praetonia fought together with Morathania in Camewot so I geuss theres no prob with that to

The Federation of Morathania agrees to the accord and all other rules governing this alliance. We hope to become a full member of this great alliance shortly. Thank you once again.

Check youre messages

The Government of Falastur would like to join this alliance, having accepted all of the Accords.

Ill join if you dont attack me any more thank you.

Falastur Me and Wrakistan agree, you may join as soon as Praetonia said yes..

Light red germany If you step off youre Nazi government you can join!

National Commonwealth is not certain its memebrship in the Victoria Alliance is verified. We re-affirm our commitment to the alliance.

National Commonwealth is not certain its memebrship in the Victoria Alliance is verified. We re-affirm our commitment to the alliance.

How do you mean?

National Commonwealth is not certain its memebrship in the Victoria Alliance is verified. We re-affirm our commitment to the alliance.

How do you mean?

OOC: He means he didn't see you accept his request to join, so he is reaccepting the Accords in the hope that you will notice his request and accept him.

Falastur Me and Wrakistan agree, you may join as soon as Praetonia said yes..

Light red germany If you step off youre Nazi government you can join!

I'm not Nazi i'm just right winged with a little authoritarian when my economy is down.

Thanks, thats exactly what I mean.

Thanks, thats exactly what I mean.


Youre in


Germany, no way, youre nazi and you know it!

Thanks, thats exactly what I mean.

Any time....

Samotopia would like to join. Thank you

Thanks, thats exactly what I mean.


Youre in


Germany, no way, youre nazi and you know it!

Im not a nazi I don't commit genoicide! I have public werks just like America had in 1930s during the depression. Was america in 1930 nazi? I dont think so!

I say yes to Credonia, Falastur, Samtopia and Morthania.

OOC: Sorry I have been inactive here over the past few days - Ive had a lot of exam revision.

The Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire does accept the Accords and at this time petitions for membership in Victoria Alliance.

The nation of Circulum is interested in joining.

Lucas Santos - Minister of Foreign Affairs and Treasury of Circulum.

Samtopia Check messages

Hamptonshire Praetonia must agree first

Circulum Same

bump for Praetonia

I agree to Hamptonshire. Not really suprising since we're regional allies.

I updated the accords

Anyone else to join?

bump

Bump + adding 8th accord

The Dominion of Greenmanbry agrees fully with the rules and accords set forth by this alliance. We also wish to inform the founders of our willingness to join this alliance, may it benefit our nation and yours.


President Ahmed Byranshty
The Dominion of Greenmanbry

Hellberd asks to Join the alliance on behalf of its people and the Anti-utiliarian Free Trade Pact as a whole. We hope we will remain allies.

P.S. In the real world. If you want to vote on my "Keep Gibralter British" pole in Nation states. Its on about page 5 at 11.15 (GMT) your welcome.

All founders must agree to you joining, me and Wrakistan say yes..
Praetonia must agree, but he will have no problem if you agree to all accords....
Check youre telegrams

Hellberd asks to Join the alliance on behalf of its people and the Anti-utiliarian Free Trade Pact as a whole. We hope we will remain allies.

P.S. In the real world. If you want to vote on my "Keep Gibralter British" pole in Nation states. Its on about page 5 at 11.15 (GMT) your welcome.

Please confirm to the accords

What is Victoria Alliance's view of the current Dr_Twist war?

What is Victoria Alliance's view of the current Dr_Twist war?

We have partys on both side, neutral.

I hereby ratify the constitution and my commitment towards it, and wish to join the VA.

Right, kk, Me and Wrakistan agree (Prae hes offline for exams He says I can speak for him) so its only up to Prae but he has no problems (I geuss)

Anyone else?

Bump + adding new member

Wow, never had to bump so quick again.

**BUMPs head on the table**

Bumpa, lets do tha bumpa



Lalalalalalalalala, copa banana!

Bump + Editing Members

The Armed Republic of Scoyle would like to join the Vitoria Alliance. I bring with me a desent size army and a willingness to do anything if I am accepted.

Please accept the accords.

The Armed Republic of Scoyle would like to join the Victoria Alliance. I bring with me a desent size army and a willingness to do anything if I am accepted.

a willingness to do anything

Now all you need is for the founders to accept you.

Grenval would like to join the Victoria alliance. I have a population of 428 million and my economy is all-consuming. I suggest building embassies in the capital, Grenval City, or the military port city of Rufushian, where nearly all of the military is stationed.

a willingness to do anything if I am accepted.

Ok, hand over your country to me :D


Only joking

I would like to remind you all that you need to agree with the accords, Scoyle just joined us without doing that.

+ Adding a new accord

I know you, Prae and Wrakistan will ignore this, but I protest at grenval joining. As far as I know he attacked Sepiroth without reason. (I know you don't like him, but he is my ally.)

The founders agreed anyone can join as long as they agree with the accords, we may reject though...
Why shouldent we let Grenval join?

Unless he can give me a just reason why he went to war with Sephiroth, he went to war over nothing. (As far as I know he was board and attacked Seph.)

Sorry I didn't know that you wanted me to agree with the accords, but of course I do agree with the accords.

Sorry I didn't know that you wanted me to agree with the accords, but of course I do agree with the accords.

Then you are now a member of Victoria





At Cam, Seprioth attacked about a 100 people without reason!

I say Grenval should be in the alliance, he's my ally, and it was me who invited him here by TG.

He stands for the same things that we do, and he has the same level of hatred for Sephrioth that I do, even if he is Cam III's ally!

He attacked Sephrioth after Sephrioth declared war on just about every country he could in less than a RL week. I know, I opposed him where I could.

Grenval is just, and has a decent economy, he's not just a good man, but a useful one. If he agrees to the Accords then I say he should join. Sephrioth deserves ALL he gets.

What can I say more?

I will telegram him again.

Frankly speaking Cam III, I don't know why you remain allies with him.

I am just letting you all know that right now I have declared war on Jmurh and I don't expect anyone to have to join me.

Bumpy

Bump

Bumps head on the table

Burps....













WAIT I MEAN BUMPS

Bump



*RUNS AROUND BUT NAKED*


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The fed union thinks it would be good to join up

Just confirm to the accords

I conferm them ...

**runs Around But Naked**

The People's Republic of Sevaris wishes to become a signatory to the Victoria Alliance. Our military academies, factories, etc. are open to you.

Premier Alec Mannerheim
People's Republic of Sevaris

The People's Republic of Sevaris wishes to become a signatory to the Victoria Alliance. Our military academies, factories, etc. are open to you.

Premier Alec Mannerheim
People's Republic of Sevaris

[OOC: If Cam III weren't in Victoria Alliance, Sarzonia would have signed the accords. However, even with Cam III on suspension, Sarzonia can not sign the accords with a clear conscience.]

Bump, Bump, Bump

May I join, I am a Whittier pact member. Does that interfere?

May I join, I am a Whittier pact member. Does that interfere?

I think it would, I'm part of the International, and you hate those guys. Also, that war with AMF, isn't Annallea a Whitter Pact member?

I also think that it won't matter but I'm not the one to decide this you have to hear from either Camewot or Praetonia for it to be official. They make the call.

Anyone can join if they agree to the accords and are democratic.

Whittier is interested in this alliance.
However, we don't hold regular elections.
But we do have an advanced space program.

I think it would, I'm part of the International, and you hate those guys. Also, that war with AMF, isn't Annallea a Whitter Pact member?
I think I just applied to join the International.
Annallea is not in the Whittier Pact, I never heard of him or her.
Whittier Pact is for socialist nations.
Which war with AMF? The one in DT?
I don't see how it would interfere if no one objects.
If Whittier is applying for membership, all members of the WP have the right, in accordance with WP law to apply for membership also. Without asking for WP permission.

Do you agree to the accords?

Do you agree to the accords?
Are you talking to me?

Yes, I just saw youre UN category is fine for us.
So you don't need to be voted in, just agree to the accords and you can join our forum and possibly region.

Yes, I just saw youre UN category is fine for us.
So you don't need to be voted in, just agree to the accords and you can join our forum and possibly region.
Sure I'll join if their are no objections. We just became democratic quite recently. Our constitution still reads like a stalinist dictatorship though.
First direct election was a couple days ago.

Lol, just say; I agree to the accords.

Lol, just say; I agree to the accords.
I agree to the accords.

Great, an telegram will be send to you.

Great, an telegram will be send to you.
ok

Alliance ties / political groups are irrelevant. We have capitalists, communists, everyone...

Yah, I second that :P

Raginsheep applies to join and agree to the accords laid out.

Will you need to be voted in, or do you agree to have elections once in a while?

Raginsheep has always had elections in our country although sometimes in the results have been questionable.

:p
Ok, youre in

Am I in? We applied to join last night.

Premier Mannerheim
People's Republic of Sevaris

If you agree to the accords.

We fully agree to the accords of the Victoria Alliance.

Praetonia has doubts about you, if Prae would say something here about being ok or not being ok?

What are your relations towards Sarzonia?

To be honest, we have no policy on Sarzonia because we do not know anything about Sarzonian activities. Why do you ask?

Premier Alec Mannerheim
People's Republic of Sevaris

Never mind I thought you may have gone to war with them but it was obviously a different nation with a similar name. You may join.

Thank you.

Bump

Update members + Bump

i agree to the terms.....

What are your relations towards Sarzonia?

President Mike Sarzo wasn't used to this.

He petitioned Parliament to have them agree to the Victoria Alliance accords so that Sarzonia could apply to join the alliance. However, in a rare legislative defeat for the President, Parliament rejected the accords, albeit with a caveat.

Senator George Gregory, the leader of the opposition to President Sarzo said that the first Accord was the primary reason Parliament balked at agreeing to all the accords.

"We're currently at war with Cam III, a Victoria Alliance member," Gregory said. "To join an alliance with them in it is sheer lunacy."

House speaker Josh Williams tried in vain to convince the House of Delegates that Cam III's membership in the Victoria Alliance shouldn't be an issue.

"The Victoria Alliance has indefinitely suspended Cam III," Williams noted. "Right now, that means Cam III would have no say-so about our membership in the alliance."

The rejection notice sent to the President's bunker cited that first Accord requiring a Cam III embassy in Sarzonia as the reason Parliament rejected the measure. With a heavy sigh, Sarzo drafted a letter to the Alliance. [OOC: I'm not going to write a whole, long letter. This will be a short excerpt.]

"We have reservations about one of the terms of the accord," Sarzo's letter to the alliance said in part. "In particular, with the currently inactive membership of Cam III. If Cam III were not in the alliance, the resolution to agree with the accords likely would pass easily."

With a grave expression on his face as he signed the letter, Sarzo took the letter to Becky Davis, his secretary.

"Beck, please send this letter to the Victoria Alliance office."

"Will do, Mike. Oh, I just received word that Sevaris applied to the Victoria Alliance."

"Okay," Sarzo began. Sarzonia had no relations with Sevaris, nor did they have any intel on that country, so he was a little bit surprised that Davis mentioned it to him.

"Word has it that Praetonia quizzed their government on their relations with us before admitting them."

Sarzo raised an eyebrow.

"We're not even in Victoria Alliance," he said. "Why would we be used as a potential roadblock to another country's admission?"

"Perhaps we're just not formally in the Victoria Alliance."

Sarzo didn't say anything, but he just numbly handed the letter to Davis and walked into his bunker.

There, letters from Senator Gregory and Speaker Williams noted that the prevailing opinion in the Senate was that ratification of the accords would have been "a done deal" if it weren't for Cam III.

"At least I have proof now," Sarzo said.

The Empire of Camewot and the The Democratic Republic of Praetonia together with the Republic of Wrakistan have made a alliance called "Victoria"

Victoria stands for two things:
_ Victory, Latin
_ The great emperess


In this thread anybody will be able to join, Praetonia and Wrakistan should comply here..


The Accords (Can be updated every once in a while we will vote for a resulotion, this is only the first, everybody agrees with this to join)



1. Every member must build an embassy in every other nation joining.
2. Every member must defend a member if he is invaded.(Economicly or Military)
3. A member can get support from the alliance for an attack if he has good and valid reasons for this.
4. All members of Victoria are obligued to provide a monetary discount for all other members of the alliance on any purchase made in a storefront that they own, unless they do not normally give discounts.
5. A Veto can be spoken by a founder, IF the selected option hasent been voted over 70 % OR all nations agree that a Veto cant be spoken
6. Each nation should contribute to the VSEC (= Victoria Space Exploring Center)
7. All nations of the alliance agree to have a democratic system of government with regularly held fair elections. If an alliance member wants to have/keep an un-democratic regime his government must be approved by 60% of the member nations in a vote of all member nations. [ All Dictatorships in Victoria may stay without approval ]
8. A Free Trade Agreement is in place that eliminates trade tarrifs between our nations. This for helping stimulate our economys
9. All nations VA must contribute to the Quick Reaction Force, used for emergencys in VA countrys or other wars.





Any new proposals can be posted here as so joinings (Me, Praetonia and Wrakistan must agree)

Members:

Praetonia [Founder]
Camewot [Founder, Defence Minister]
Wrakistan [Founder]
National Commonwealth
Island of Rose
Halibris
Cam III
The O Faolains
Credonia
Morathania
Hamptonshire [President]
Samotopia
Falastur
Greenmanbry
Momanguise [Vice President]
Fozoni
Scoyle
British Communists
Knopper
The Holy Trant
The Fedral Union
Whittier
Raginsheep
Sevaris
Dimmimar



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Can i join this allince?
Aust

1) Are you democratic?

2) Do you accept the accords?

If you answered yes to those two questions then you may join the Victoria Alliance.

Aust Yes, but you are undemocratic so you can join, but the members need to vote yes on you as stated in Accord 7

Sarzonia I am in talks with Praetonia about if you can not build an embassy in Cam III and still join

Aust Yes, but you are undemocratic so you can join, but the members need to vote yes on you as stated in Accord 7

Sarzonia I am in talks with Praetonia about if you can not build an embassy in Cam III and still join
So i can join? And yes I am semi-democratic, I have a parlement that epople vote for but the only advise the Emporer, they can veto him sometimes but only if there is no objection from any MP. Mainly the Emporer does as he wants.

I accept the accords

Hmm, before you join, could you explain this;

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341130

To: President Sarzo
From: Prime Minister Julianus

If you wish to enter the alliance you are not obligued to build an embassy in
Cam III. Furthermore, as Cam III is indefinitely suspended from the alliance,
you are not obligued to change your stance towards him in any way and the
accords no longer affect him. There is a possiblity that he will be reinstated,
in which case the accords will apply to him, but before then I am sure that
we can pass a motion in Victoria exempting you from obligations towards him
(OOC: Or you could simply ignore your obligations towards him, we arent
going to invade). However, there is just as good (if not better) a possibility
that he will be expelled from the alliance, in which case it will not matter.

Hmm, before you join, could you explain this;

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341130
Offically the Aust goverment has nothing to do with it. I was just preparing the ground for a RP I'm working out.

I see, you agree with the accords right?

President Mike Sarzo took the notice of Victoria Alliance's official stance toward Sarzonian objections to Cam III's presence in the alliance to Parliament.

"This is the official word from Praetonia, who is one of the three founding nations of the alliance," Sarzo said. "We are not obligated to treat Cam III any differently from how we now treat them."

"But what if they reinstate Cam III into the alliance," Sen. George Gregory asked. He was the acknowledged opposition leader to President Sarzo, although many times, his "opposition" generally regarded semantics of an issue instead of outright discord.

"Prime Minister Julianus tells me that they may pass a resolution exempting us from being compelled to observe the agreement with Cam III," Sarzo said. "He also has informed me that there is a possibility of expelling Cam III from the alliance, which would then render our reservations completely moot."

"Folks, not only has the Victoria Alliance supported us in our war against Cam III, but their members stood side by side with us and Praetonia against CorpSac. We do not petition to join alliance agreements lightly."

"Then what about the ESUS? There are several countries in that we don't agree with?"

"You noted that in debate, remember," Sarzo reminded Gregory. That particular action barely passed Parliament, but still, it passed. "Let's face it, I'm not thrilled with some of the policies in ESUS member worlds either, but those are the breaks we get sometimes. Besides that, we're going to have to unite against the Shivans anyway. Being part of ESUS facilitates matters."

Parliament then conducted a vote. This time, the measure passed with the two-thirds majority required to rescind its own previous actions. Sarzo then signed the legislation.

"We, the people of the Incorporated States of Sarzonia hereby agree to the accords and petition the Victoria Alliance for admission into the alliance," Sarzo said.

A telegram will be send

awesome
I think I shoulda joinnow.

The Imperial Protectorate of Roseway cannot believe its imaginary eyes! We'd love to join, but as The Galactic Alliance (http://s4.invisionfree.com/TheGalacticAlliance) comes first we will not be able to accept full membership.

hu?

oh. sorry. well, y'see I have a long history of joining imperialistic/empirebased alliances, like ILOG, whatever came after it, that Shivan fiasco, and I thought it would be fun to join this.

Though our roman ancestry never had an "empress", we want join this fast-growing group.

oh. sorry. well, y'see I have a long history of joining imperialistic/empirebased alliances, like ILOG, whatever came after it, that Shivan fiasco, and I thought it would be fun to join this.

As a newly minted member of the Victoria Alliance, we realize we are hardly in position to comment on the admission of another country into the alliance. However, our reading of the accords suggests that Roseway's admission may contradict our requirements for a democratic government.

We ask that Roseway provide evidence to support why we should allow a country without a democratic system of government into the alliance.

What? Are you serious?

The Imperial Protectorate of Roseway is, of course, ruled by the Emperor. But as the Emperor cannot be troubled with such petty things as Rosewegian administration he has allowed us to set up a republican form of government.
The hereditary Lord Protector has no real power. The President, as head of our executive branch, makes decisions for the government, which of course does not interfere in the citizens' lives any more than our constitution, which is based on the U.S. document, allows.

What? Are you serious?

The Imperial Protectorate of Roseway is, of course, ruled by the Emperor. But as the Emperor cannot be troubled with such petty things as Rosewegian administration he has allowed us to set up a republican form of government.
The hereditary Lord Protector has no real power. The President, as head of our executive branch, makes decisions for the government, which of course does not interfere in the citizens' lives any more than our constitution, which is based on the U.S. document, allows.

[OOC: So it's essentially like the U.K. in other words?

The way you worded your previous statement led me to believe you were an imperial government through and through. That's why I wrote the objection.]

((Sorry. I have the tendency to mislabel IC and OOC.))

sorry if I inturupt you at all but I sent a message to camewot via nationstates and I hope you see it fit that I may join.
I am also a former eaa member and waiting for conformation on re-joining

Join now and get a free commie cake!

does that mean i'm in??!!

Please agree to the accords

I agree, just whats the Quick reaction force and what thread is the space thing on?!

You will see, check youre telegrams in a few mins

as long as I can stay in my region, Warhammers war raveged worlds

I formally request to join the alliance due to damaging effects of noob's in last region.
(I assume that is what happened i was on vacation for a period of time.)
-Notmuchfun

Please agree to the accords, keep in mind that there is one new starting today.

I need the thread.

I agree to follow and uphold all accords that have been presented before me.

Whittier, you got it now ive seen.
Notmuchfun, keep an eye on youre telegrams.

B ring
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BUMP

Join the Victoria Alliance. A democratic alliance that values freedom, democracy and liberty and works to spread those ideals. We also stand for the defense of our member nations. Please join the Victoria Alliance, the an alliance working toward a better tomarrow.

Isn't this dead?

Hah, no way. Where the hell did you hear that? No were not dead. That is crazy. We just had new elections for the Cabinet and new VP elections. No way this alliance isn't dead its alive and kicking. If you check the forums more often you would find that we still have a lot of life left in us.

BUMP, for attracting new members.

OOC: Morathania, when I need to update it please tell me...
Youre lucky I dident delete it

No more bumping of this thread please, Im making a new one for the new alliance.

Victoria Lite or possibly Victoria II : Victoria Strikes Back!!

OOC: Well its good you didn't. The VA still needs to attract people. I'll TG you if I need something.