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Thanks to the efforts of Mr Costinack and his band of mobsters and GaalSien we have prepared an inmense sum of money. Large ammounts have already been put on bank accounts, Smutbucket has aided us with with more money and now it's time to spread the counterfeits over the globe. How we're going to do it is still a bit of a mystery but we'll think of something. Credonia ain't going away in the near future so we have plenty of time.

It speaks for itself that these post is secret.

What about nations without currency?

He's only made Credonia's currency worthless.

He has. If he says something otherwise now than he's godmodding.

SIC: Death to the infidels that reside in Credonia!!!!

OOC: This is actually one of the best thought out plans for ruining a country that i have ever read on NS. Nice work guys.

OOC: How much money would you actually need to do that, and how would you smuggle that much money into nations?

OOC: This is actually one of the best thought out plans for ruining a country that i have ever read on NS. Nice work guys.

I second that, bloody well done lads :D

OOC: With an economy like Credonias, you would need a fairly large amoutn of currency, but i would imagine that even with the amount they have currently (around 50-60 trillion i think), they could seriously mess up the economy big time. Smuggling it in is easy, you just deposit it into banks etc. If it is as good as we are led to believe, banking clerks wouldn't notice.

OOC: How much money would you actually need to do that, and how would you smuggle that much money into nations?

OOC: taking out huge loans and paying it back with Credonian currency. And it all happens via banks and other corporations so you'll only see the money on the screen. Why would anyone have any doubts about the money? No one knows from each other where they got it. We pay off our loans with fake money and the banks hand it out to other ignorant people.

It's a perfect arrangement.

*tag*

OCC: Brilliant. I may decide to use this tactic on my enemy nation!

OOC:

Nice idea! This can be very useful to me in the future...

OOC: when the best falsifiers in SoT study the banknotes for 6 months then you can be reasonable certain that they don't overlook minor things like the watermark. Everyone can get their hands on money so this is in no way godmodding. Ink can be determined from an analysis in a laboratory. The paper, well you have it in your hands all the time.

This makes me glad my nation's currency is stock in the Muktar Corporation...

occ: This would be a devastating cold war weapon. Just walk in with a boatload of counterfeit bills and boom, insta-depression. Way to think outside of the box.

When threats and accusations cease to work it's time for a big change. That's exactly what I did.

OOC: Hmmmm, economic terrorism...I like it! I mean, I'm a responsible nation and my nation hates it, but for RP purposes I like it.

I must remind my government to revise the way the banking industry is regulated...

BUMP so Credonia can see this.

classic!

bet you he ignores it anyway :evil:

Probably...

OOC: The best thing since sliced bread :)

come on Creddy get in here and read how your economy will be crushed

come on Creddy get in here and read how your economy will be crushed

OOC: Wouldn't there be some way he could 'scan' money and find the counterfeits, or couldn't he change his currency to avoid the crash of his economy?

By the way....Brilliant! :wink:

You have 1 exact copy and 1 original. Both are 100% the same. Only one is fake. Can you find it? Changing currency is also fine; he crashes his own economy then.

You have 1 exact copy and 1 original. Both are 100% the same. Only one is fake. Can you find it? Changing currency is also fine; he crashes his own economy then.

OOC: I see....

It is a very good tactic. There are economic policies to prevent any long term damage he could employ, but I think it would be more fun to watch his economy hit the proverbial fan, so to speak.

Question, where did you get the idea from? It sounds similar to something I read in 'This United State', which is a book I read where something similar happens.

I think he got it from Rush Hour 2.

Nope. I just thought it all out by myself. It isn't an earth shattering idea to crash an economy with lots of fake money

It is rather out of the box though.

It is rather out of the box though.

Yup, and that's what I like about it. I'm still waiting Credonia. Take your best shot.

Didn't the Germans try something similar in Crete.........

Taggy waggy was a...

OOC: his government, after noticing the inflation due to excess bills, he could jsut start gathering up money and burning it... who cares if the people complain about the gov't stealing their money and burning it. it would be an instant fix for the depression you caused. any money would do, not jsut the counterfit. as long as he has burned enough money to bring the amount back down.

All he has to do is freeze his economy and then change all money into a new currency - the problem is that he can just destroy the new accounts that have no registerd souce - you would have been better off giving the money to the public - either in pay or just handing it out in a lottery - this way he can just seize the accounts and terminate their existance.

Dakara: You are wrong. Counterfeits are counterfeits. Gold gives money it's real value and when the government starts destroying money they're infact robbing themselves. You're burning the only thing which keeps you alive and then more fakes flood your market. And I don't think companies like to cooperate in fraudulent business. Using counterfeits on an international market is fraud. And when a company commits fraud he might as well pack his bags.

HFI: Have you seen what the euro did with the European economy? All the prices have been raised and economy crashed. Currency changes have never been used to prevent an economy from imploding. You can link your currency with another but when one is falling at lethal speed I doubt the other will accept the doomed currency. All the accounts are registered in SoT, GaalSien and Smutbucket. He has no right to disable them. Giving out money that's turned worthless when you have introduced a new currency? I am sure people will enjoy millions of useless banknotes.

he has every right to disable them if they cannot prove where they got the currency from. Inland revenue anyone? If you suddenly have billions in your account you WILL get investigsted.

Wait what's this about a Europe-wdie economy crash?

OOC: America can't disable bankaccounts flooding with drugsmoney. And hereby I destroyed your argument.

It's not like I have earned 30 billion in 1 week. Nope, Smutbucket made a special account called the SoT Investment agency. GaalSien made countless bankaccounts. I did too. It's spreaded all across the region. We can say people have donated to rebuild our nation. Who are they? They want to remain anonymous. End of story.

OOC: sheer brillance, a novel way for a terrorist RP (and frighteningly simple, even i can understand).

Must figure out a way to prevent this now...

Wait what's this about a Europe-wdie economy crash?

Europe's economy dropped like a stone when the euro was introduced. All the prices skyrocketed and therefore people lost trust in the economy. Hence all the bankruptcies over the past 3 or 4 years.

wooootag!

pure genius

OOC: {TAG}

Very interesting indeed.....

Wait what's this about a Europe-wdie economy crash?

Europe's economy dropped like a stone when the euro was introduced. All the prices skyrocketed and therefore people lost trust in the economy. Hence all the bankruptcies over the past 3 or 4 years.

Incorrect, prices didnt skyrocket. As a matter of fact, a recent study(half a year ago) shows that many products actually got cheeper.
There are not anymore bankrupcies then there were 2 years ago.

Your "Attack" isnt really waterproof. You say you cant tell the difference between real and counterfeit money(i doubt thats possible in a modern nation, its simply impossible in the EU), so that means Credonia could just call you a liar when you claim his money to be counterfeit.
You cant prove that your money is counterfeit. And if there is a difference between real and counterfeit, that means he can find it and take it out of circulation. You also cant prove that all the money is counterfeit because you destroyed the real money (the only evidence).

People will therefore believe what the Credonian gov't tells them and and think they are using real currency.

And yes i'm a European. Your idea simply isnt waterproof.

Oh lets not forget to mention that if you cant tell the difference, you could probably have destroyed millions of your own fake money and not the real money.

Double post

Did i ever tell you how much i hate this server sometime?

Wait what's this about a Europe-wdie economy crash?

Europe's economy dropped like a stone when the euro was introduced. All the prices skyrocketed and therefore people lost trust in the economy. Hence all the bankruptcies over the past 3 or 4 years.

Incorrect, prices didnt skyrocket. As a matter of fact, a recent study(half a year ago) shows that many products actually got cheeper.
There are not anymore bankrupcies then there were 2 years ago.

Your "Attack" isnt really waterproof. You say you cant tell the difference between real and counterfeit money(i doubt thats possible in a modern nation, its simply impossible in the EU), so that means Credonia could just call you a liar when you claim his money to be counterfeit.
You cant prove that your money is counterfeit. And if there is a difference between real and counterfeit, that means he can find it and take it out of circulation. You also cant prove that all the money is counterfeit because you destroyed the real money (the only evidence).

People will therefore believe what the Credonian gov't tells them and and think they are using real currency.

And yes i'm a European. Your idea simply isnt waterproof.

Oh lets not forget to mention that if you cant tell the difference, you could probably have destroyed millions of your own fake money and not the real money.

I'm afraid you're all wrong. I have read lots of news about Europe and the euro didn't make things better. Prices went up, saying otherwise is plain lying.
A close relative of mine worked for more than 35 years in a printing office and he said that it's pretty damn well possible provided you have the proper tools and equipment. Don't tell me doesn't know anything about it.
And when Credonia says: It's real than he's crashing his own economy again, like Germany did after WW1.

He doesn't mean that it's worthless because it's fake, he means that because of the massive influx of money (which is as you say real for all intents and pruposes) there will be hyperinflation in Credonia, much like in post WWI Germany. Therefore his currency will be worthless.

2 minds 1 thought

Wait what's this about a Europe-wdie economy crash?

Europe's economy dropped like a stone when the euro was introduced. All the prices skyrocketed and therefore people lost trust in the economy. Hence all the bankruptcies over the past 3 or 4 years.

Incorrect, prices didnt skyrocket. As a matter of fact, a recent study(half a year ago) shows that many products actually got cheeper.
There are not anymore bankrupcies then there were 2 years ago.

Your "Attack" isnt really waterproof. You say you cant tell the difference between real and counterfeit money(i doubt thats possible in a modern nation, its simply impossible in the EU), so that means Credonia could just call you a liar when you claim his money to be counterfeit.
You cant prove that your money is counterfeit. And if there is a difference between real and counterfeit, that means he can find it and take it out of circulation. You also cant prove that all the money is counterfeit because you destroyed the real money (the only evidence).

People will therefore believe what the Credonian gov't tells them and and think they are using real currency.

And yes i'm a European. Your idea simply isnt waterproof.

Oh lets not forget to mention that if you cant tell the difference, you could probably have destroyed millions of your own fake money and not the real money.

I'm afraid you're all wrong. I have read lots of news about Europe and the euro didn't make things better. Prices went up, saying otherwise is plain lying.
A close relative of mine worked for more than 35 years in a printing office and he said that it's pretty damn well possible provided you have the proper tools and equipment. Don't tell me doesn't know anything about it.
And when Credonia says: It's real than he's crashing his own economy again, like Germany did after WW1.

Your idea isnt waterproof. If he claims it is real then noone can prove him wrong. Certainly not in this situation.

I dont like the EU myself. But when you say the Euro made European economy crash, then you lie. I dont have to read things about it, i live in Belgium, centre of Europe and most expensive country in the Union. What you read is incorrect.

Completely OOC:

I agree, the server really sucks sometimes.


This idea was used during WW2, or rather it was attempted.

http://www.thetroubleshooters.com/history162.html

I first heard about it from a special about Money aired on the Discovery Channel a couple months ago. They talked about the Nazi camp at Zipf and how everything was dumped into the very deep Lake Germunden. Granted the money copying wasn't on such a grand scheme but something simular was attempted in Real Life.

This is a brilliant way to cause problems for another nation and I give SoT credit for the RPing needed to pull it off.

Im am also European, Vollmeria, and if you payed any attention to the news economic growth in the eurozone has been cut to almost nill and if you ever go to france even the ice creams are twice as expensive

The ide isnt that original, about a year ago we were about to go to war with 'Kaduiri' and to prevent them importing arms we started buying up their currency then dumping it on the market.

It is rather out of the box though.

To get one over on Credonia...you have to think out of the box 8)

Your idea isnt waterproof. If he claims it is real then noone can prove him wrong. Certainly not in this situation.

I dont like the EU myself. But when you say the Euro made European economy crash, then you lie. I dont have to read things about it, i live in Belgium, centre of Europe and most expensive country in the Union. What you read is incorrect.

So you're saying MSNBC, CNN, Foxnews and many others are wrong? I don't want to turn this into a yes/no discussion. Think what you want to think and that's it.
I don't care if people want to prove him wrong. If he doesn't admit his currency is fake he's digging his own grave. And if he does his economy is crashed anyhow.

Nope. I just thought it all out by myself. It isn't an earth shattering idea to crash an economy with lots of fake money

OOC: AHEM.... May I note people that this idea was derived from one I talked about with him on MSN. This wasnt the exact idea I had, but it is based on that idea.... ;)

Nope. I just thought it all out by myself. It isn't an earth shattering idea to crash an economy with lots of fake money

OOC: AHEM.... May I note people that this idea was derived from one I talked about with him on MSN. This wasnt the exact idea I had, but it is based on that idea.... ;)

Always trying to take credit for someone elses work eh? And United Elias, I ain't going to your little boat shop running around in circles screaming that your shop is nothing but a copy/paste festival with a lack of originality.

Nope. I just thought it all out by myself. It isn't an earth shattering idea to crash an economy with lots of fake money

OOC: AHEM.... May I note people that this idea was derived from one I talked about with him on MSN. This wasnt the exact idea I had, but it is based on that idea.... ;)

Always trying to take credit for someone elses work eh? And United Elias, I ain't going to your little boat shop running around in circles screaming that your shop is nothing but a copy/paste festival with a lack of originality.

OOC: Actually no, whilst I agree that SoT has in fact thought of the details, I did chat to Huzen Hagen on msn about ways on the crashing of Credonian Currency. Though, it could aswell be a coincidence of course, considering that I did chat to Huzen Hagen, and not SoT directly ;)

OOC: Hardly a truely original idea, however United Elias you went out of line making itseem like he was copying you.

Well, it's certainly a more interesting idea than simply blowing things to pieces all the time. A little variety is a good thing.

occ: Um couldn't this nation sorta freeze these accounts for tax evasion thereby preventing it from ever entering the economy?

Great Idea, of how to destory someone without being hurt. Now, Credonias in troubles, he needs to recover his econermy incradably quickly, I don't know how he'll do it. I support this action.

ooc: this a bit saddening i know, but.... Credonia is ignoring the whole idea... i spoke to him and HH yesterday, and he simply doesn't
a) accept the idea of this plan
b) Rp with anyone from Fruit islands.


This of course just shows how desperate Credonia got when he saw this plan, when ever he is outsmarted by terrorists/anyone (aside from Ecowarriors) He unsheathes the IGNORE!!11111 cannons and just makes people who have obviously spent alot of time coming up with plans very very angry, i personally feel ashamed that Credonia is still a noob even though he has been playing this game for... 9 months. If it was me of course i'd have turned it into a series of RP's on my country getting back on it's feet. But of course this is the warmongering & diplomatic joke that we call credonia... ho hum


Sorry gods, I just needed to get that off of my chest, he has really started to get on my nerves as of late.

he just ignores any anything thread which might hurt him. Thats why I broke of relations with him.

I say we should start a mass ignore on Credonia if he doesn't come up with a proper explanation

Nice plan, somewhat like the german plan to destabilise the British economy in world war two though however back to business. As an ally of Credonia I am shcoked and pretty much dissapointed that he is ignoring this attack, without proper reason. If he still refuses to accept this I may have to reconsidder my diplomatic stance towards the empire of Credonia.

I say we should start a mass ignore on Credonia if he doesn't come up with a proper explanation

That would be a good idea, however all his big freinds will come along and just say it's his right to ignore this...

OOC: Perhaps that is your best plan. It's clear he doesn't want to RP this because of the implications and because no one likes having to figure out how to counter a unconventional attack like this... now perhaps it's not the best way to deal with it but if he doesn't want to accept this, he doesn't have to because "OMG FREEFORM RP".

So I would suggest that if you are tired of trying to kill Credonia and not being allowed to, ignore him... it would save everyone effort.

I'll admit, the effort put here is pretty good, though personally I would ignore the idea of 100% accuracy on RP grounds that NS isn't about winning... I can destroy a nation by either conventional means or simply nuking it into the ground, I'm pretty sure that if I put effort into it I could make sure it was justified too...

But just destroying nations isn't fun. It's not about winning, it's about making an interesting RP for both nations and all readers... your RP here is "I copy Credonia's cash, its perfect, I win" it's clear you don't care about RPing the possibilty of an imperfection, a minor win where you get a ton of almost perfect notes into Credonia and do some damage, and give him something to RP...

But instead you give him the choice of "Your Nation is Messed up" no chance for RP except complete chaos.

Funny really, but you guys have a go at Credonia for being "Perfect" and "Invincable" so you try and destroy him using "perfect" money...

Nice idea, shame you are unwilling to make it almost work.

I support you ignoring Credonia and I support Credonia ignoring you, I'll admit Credonia doesn't accept most terrorism... but I think it's up to him to let himself be damaged, if you don't like it then ignore him, it will save time because you're not going to damage him without his permission...


Feel free to flame me or whatever, personally I think this RP could have been better if some effort to RP with Credonia instead of against Credonia had been made... but after being targeted by tons of terrorist organisations I think it's fair to say they get their fair share of crap and they've taken damage from the ones they like the sound of which don't automatically ruin what he's built... instead damaging it enough to change it slightly.

You tried to acheive too much, now it's ignored because no one likes being destroyed. Feel free to ignore Credonia, it will save your time if you are trying to "win" against him.

His big "friends" should wake up and open their eyes. Their "friend" Credonia can't RP worth a shit and is obviously too self-centered to admit any of his dumb mistakes. I mean, nearly every attempt to start a war against him has failed due to his love for the ignore feature.

He has NO right to ignore this. This RP is void of godmodding, numberwanking or any other kind of n00bish behaviour. He's a spoiled little child who can't take it some people can outsmart him. Money can be copied into perfection. He can RP what happens to his nation, this is something he cannot evade or ignore.

Sorry Iuthia but I fully agree with Fruity Loops here. Credonia has no reason to ignore this. When we ignored his wars he screamed godmodding and now he does the same. He has done this before with HLF's widowmaker thread. Ignored it after an attempt to outsmart us with a so called top-off.

His big "friends" should wake up and open their eyes. Their "friend" Credonia can't RP worth a shit and is obviously too self-centered to admit any of his dumb mistakes. I mean, nearly every attempt to start a war against him has failed due to his love for the ignore feature.

He has NO right to ignore this. This RP is void of godmodding, numberwanking or any other kind of n00bish behaviour. He's a spoiled little child who can't take it some people can outsmart him. Money can be copied into perfection. He can RP what happens to his nation, this is something he cannot evade or ignore.

OOC: This is freeform RP, therefore Credonia and any other player can ignore anything they see fit regardless of how legit the RP is. Does it suck? Yes, it can sometimes. Does a player have that right? Yes, they do.

OOC: This is freeform RP, therefore Credonia and any other player can ignore anything they see fit regardless of how legit the RP is. Does it suck? Yes, it can sometimes. Does a player have that right? Yes, they do.

Ok. When someone does something nasty to me I'll say FREEFROM RP; IGNORED. Thank you for spurring the madness even further.

dp

OOC: This is freeform RP, therefore Credonia and any other player can ignore anything they see fit regardless of how legit the RP is. Does it suck? Yes, it can sometimes. Does a player have that right? Yes, they do.

Ok. When someone does something nasty to me I'll say FREEFROM RP; IGNORED. Thank you for spurring the madness even further.

OOC: Calm down for a second.

You can ignore anything you'd like, that's a right you have. Will it make you look bad if you do it enough? Yes it will. Even I'm starting to frown on Credonia for ignore attacks.

Sure, you can scream "FREEFORM RP" and ignore every single bad thing that happens to you, but you'll look like a total puss and nobody will want to RP with you.

OOC: Then ignore him. I've told you the only thing you can do about this... you and your friends can all ignore Credonia and perhaps the guy can have a rest for a while as all the terrorists give him a break.

I'm not ignoring him. I can understand why he isn't willing to RP this. Instead of making it almost perfect you went out of your way to be completely unstopable... you are only willing to accept complete success, which many nations don't want to RP with. It's more interesting for both nations involved if both players are working to make something where they both loose a little... but it seems that like Credonia, you will only accept a win.

I'm quite happy for you to ignore him. I'm going to keep RPing with Credonia, if you don't like it then it's not my problem. Ignore him already.

Yes. Credonia has the right to ignore it, but that does not neccessarily mean that Credonia is right to ignore it. He can do whatever he wants, but he will get a lot of slack from a lot of people. Thats the tradeoff, and I say respect his decision, whatever that may be.

I understand but I'm pretty mad. This is the second time he pulls off something like this and nobody has enough guts to stand up and say That's enough. Credonia already looks like a total puss after his ignore of HLF's attempt. Let's just say another potentially great RP has been ruined because of his arrogance.

Yeah it was a really cool plan. I hope Creddy does accept this, not because I hate Credonia (yes ok I bombed him but that's beside the point), but because it's a really cool idea.

No backbone? Well done, thats the most pointless thing you've said all day. Automagfreek here understands the way in which NS work and so do I, it's not about backbone... I've had my own clashes with Credonia and won, albeit not to the same scale. I have told Credonia on numberous occasions when he's wrong.

But you know what, it's not about "standing up" against Credonia, many large nations just don't RP with him, some don't respect him because of what they have heard... but instead of bitching at him about it they just ignore him. It's amazing because it works brilliantly, by not RPing with him they don't have to bother with him at all...

If you don't like it RP with someone who wants to destroy their nation.

classic!

bet you he ignores it anyway :evil:

:D

No backbone? Well done, thats the most pointless thing you've said all day. Automagfreek here understands the way in which NS work and so do I, it's not about backbone... I've had my own clashes with Credonia and won, albeit not to the same scale. I have told Credonia on numberous occasions when he's wrong.

But you know what, it's not about "standing up" against Credonia, many large nations just don't RP with him, some don't respect him because of what they have heard... but instead of bitching at him about it they just ignore him. It's amazing because it works brilliantly, by not RPing with him they don't have to bother with him at all...

If you don't like it RP with someone who wants to destroy their nation.

All well made points Iuthia, as usual, but there is something i need to bring in to the arguement.

Credonia makes himself a target for all these attacks through his actions. He has no desire for peace, only for war and destruction. When he gets that war, if it's not going his way, he'd ignore it. If everyone did that, NS wars would be non-existant. If he insists on sticking his nose in and bossing people about, including me, he has got to face the consequences.

If he can't take the heat, he should get right out of the kitchen.

I am going to ignore him. Iuthia, you don't know anything about printing techniques and you keep saying there's no room to RP? There are plenty of ways to deal with this some people even mentioned a few. It isn't about destroying his nation, hell he can rebuild it again. What troubles me is that he just ignores things when the goings get tough and therefore I propose a mass ignore on him.

The nation owned by the Muktar Corporation officially has ceased recognizing Credonia as a country.

The Royal State of Sirens of Titan no longer sees Credonia as a nation.

Sirens of Titan, I don't really care about "printing techniques" it's the fact that any suggestion that your RP wasn't perfect was dismissed by yourself. Lets face it, if Credonia didn't accept that his currency is "worthless" you would tell him otherwise, take the chaos or nothing.

But that doesn't really matter. He's not going to accept this, I'm pretty sure of it.

The best agruement again Credonia here is McLeod03's... he has a point that Credonia does tend to go out of his way to attract this sort of stuff. The fact he's ignoring this is dispointing but expected... if you worked with him you can avoid this... but as far as I can see this is just about winning and it's not in the spirit of NS, it's something I would expect from Credonia himself.

The best agruement again Credonia here is McLeod03's... he has a point that Credonia does tend to go out of his way to attract this sort of stuff. The fact he's ignoring this is dispointing but expected... if you worked with him you can avoid this... but as far as I can see this is just about winning and it's not in the spirit of NS, it's something I would expect from Credonia himself.

Sometimes the only option left is to fight fire with fire. Either by RPing like Credonia, or ignoring like Credonia.

The title is sarcastic. If you cannot see that then you don't deserve to be here in the first place. If Credonie ignores this, fine but atleast he could give me a reason by TG or in the open.

OOC: I can understand why Credonia would ignore something like this, due to it's "foolproof" nature. But here's what I want to know....

...if you all want to destroy Credonia so bad, then rally your damn troops and fight him like men.

SoT, doesn't matter dude...

We still have plenty of enemies on our list to deal with...

Credonia getting crossed off only makes things easier 8)

Also, id like to say - Credonia was totally up for this RP - then at the last second he pulls out, then says hes totally ignoring the FI region - Where some of the players that reside in that region don't even know Credonia.

Its cool though - What can ya do...

Auto, we tried. He ignored it too. Now I have tried something diffirent with the help of 3 others and he ignores it too.

OOC: I can understand why Credonia would ignore something like this, due to it's "foolproof" nature. But here's what I want to know....

...if you all want to destroy Credonia so bad, then rally your damn troops and fight him like men.

We could squash Credonia like a bug if we wanted to.

Wait until the organization of independent leaders claiming to lead a country called Credonia take some form of military action, then support the other side. That simple.

We could squash Credonia like a bug if we wanted to.

OOC: So do it, and if he ignores that, then it's all over.

Meh, personally I make a point of keeping out of Credonia's affairs IC because I'll be damned if I'm getting involved in "here's a list full of military hardware, I'm going to war", which really is boring.

Like I've said, if you don't like the way Credonia RP's it's better to ignore him then to reduce yourself to his level. This is a nice RP, though I can't see anything which gives the victim something fun to RP other then their nation being economically ruined by a "prefect" terror attack.

*WARNING: EVIL IDEA TO LURE CREDONIA OUT*
1. Make a country who's name references the HLF.
2. Have this country make a poorly RPed terror attack on Credonia.
3. If Credonia responds (most likely will) we simply support the HLF clone and blow him to h***!

We could squash Credonia like a bug if we wanted to.

OOC: So do it, and if he ignores that, then it's all over.

We would see no pleasure in cleaning Credonia out with military action - It's boring.

Muktar... he's more likely to ignore it then RP it, unless he hasn't learned anything.

Anyways, GaalSien has a point, any military campaign against Credonia will most likely result in a boring numberwank war which will likely result in a ignore fest... if you put effort into it you may be able to at least prove your not the problem but otherwise it's more likely that you will get anoyed at one another and get nowhere as a million and one allies jump in to help their big ally.

Not that I can talk, I'm in a mutual defence pact due to Concordia. Heh, that said I can just donate funds instead of troops... as the constitution states... it depends on the angle you guy try. If it's crap I'd defend them.

You got to admit, it's our best bet. Especially since Credonia never learns.

Lol....I'm TLM so don't try it :P

Person Number 1 says:
I knew Iuthia would poke his fucking nose in...

Person Number 2 says:
Iuthia should be shot in the face...

Person Number 1 says:
LMAO!

The Last Matic says:
Lol!

Person Number 2 says:
I cant stand the little prick

Person Number 2 says:
always interfering

Person Number 1 says:
Yeah

Person Number 4 says:
Cry me a river. Focus on Credonia.

hahaha It sounds like someone with a grudge.

Nah, no more operations against credonia :P

SoT, get on MSN, ill add you to it

contact me on AIM, I'll TG you the addy. I hate msn.

Just to say, i formed a coalition of 25 nations to attack, Credonia, and he ignored me. it was a legit war as well, apparntly, they where all puppets of mine, seeing as I don't have any puppets and HP wasn't my puppet hoiw could that be.

I'm pretty sure I'm not your puppet either.

I wish I was...

Look, this is only a perfect plan if no one can find a feasable reason why you could stop it. If no one can come up withy such an idea then maybe it is perfect. There is absolutly no way you can try direct military action against him as he ignores you untill he has prepared all his defences and know your coming. Ill join in on the mass ignore bandwagon now

double

Now my business here is finished. Credonia isn't going to reply so I'll go back to my corner, crying.

Lol....I'm TLM so don't try it :P

Person Number 1 says:
I knew Iuthia would poke his f--- nose in...

Person Number 2 says:
Iuthia should be shot in the face...

Person Number 1 says:
LMAO!

The Last Matic says:
Lol!

Person Number 2 says:
I cant stand the little prick

Person Number 2 says:
always interfering

Person Number 1 says:
Yeah


Iuthia Says: You should learn not to flame/spam, I know a few nations that ended that way...

If you incist on insulting me OOC then you should at least do it in person instead of hiding behind one persons post. Eitherway this clearly has no use on this thread and is irrelevant... making it spam. Because it goes out of it's way to insult me it's also flaming...

I would suggest you stay on topic in the future. I have made an effort to stay on topic, so should you.

The odd thing is that I could probably think of any number of players which have a poor enough sense of humor to find "Iuthia should be shot in the face" that funny...

Link to this topic was given to me, guess who gave it...

Your idea isnt waterproof. If he claims it is real then noone can prove him wrong. Certainly not in this situation.

I dont like the EU myself. But when you say the Euro made European economy crash, then you lie. I dont have to read things about it, i live in Belgium, centre of Europe and most expensive country in the Union. What you read is incorrect.

So you're saying MSNBC, CNN, Foxnews and many others are wrong? I don't want to turn this into a yes/no discussion. Think what you want to think and that's it.
I don't care if people want to prove him wrong. If he doesn't admit his currency is fake he's digging his own grave. And if he does his economy is crashed anyhow.

He is right about the Euro (or atleast more then you)
He is right about the idea
He is right when he sais this kind of RP is bad

First, the Euro; After september 11 all bourses in the world crashed. Big difference is that:
if Bel20 goes down with 0.20% then Xetra Dax and CAC40 will go down with aprox 2%, Dow Jones goes down with 4% and Nasdaq with 5% (thats what you get with modern technology :) ) I'm not even going to discuss the catastrophy that hit the Asian Stock markets.

Then the euro was introduced, which lost terrain in the first months because of the already existing economical crisis(The Euro did not cause a crisis). But as you can see, the Eurozone doesnt lose as much as the rest of the world. Then note that the Stock markets in the Eurozone are on their way back up (They al went up today except for SMI and London! Dow and Nasdaq also lost terrain).
Put this together with the problems in Iraq and Afghanistan and you eventually end up with investors and speculators choosing for the Euro rather then the USD as investment. Result? 1 USD is approximatly 0.9 EUR.

This means that if you bought a pack of Sugar 2 years ago it would have cost you 1USD (Or 1 Euro), the price of the pack is still 1 Euro today but you will have to give me 1,25 USD because YOUR CURRENCY DEVALUATED MORE THEN MINE. Indeed prices went up but not for me.
Economy is very simple, you just have to understand it. I have about 34.000 Euro invested in Belgian stocks and funds so dont tell me i'm wrong (that'd be a good one, lol). One last thing: 7 years ago i bought a 33cl Coca-cola for 25 Belgian Francs, today at work i buy that same 33cl coca-cola for 50 Cents (1Euro= 40.3399 Belgian Francs)! Did that price skyrocket?

Now your oh so wonderfull plan.
You print new money, withdraw real money from the bank. Then you destroy most of that real money (you wrote it yourself, in the post with the pic) and replace the destroyed money by counterfeit money.
There will probably be more money now (thats hard to tell in this case) but fundamentaly nothing changed, you replaced real money by identical counterfeit money.

And last but not least, this idea sucks bigtime (no offence to you personally). Its like those terrorist attacks; "We blow you up, you cant find us, we win."
You would win (dont destroy the real money then), but do it again and people will start to ignore you.
This isnt RPing, i'd ignore just like Credonia does now.

Next time Vollmeria tells you something, you'd better listen. I know he a master in critizising(sometimes offending, probably unwillingly) people but he'll only critizise when he knows he's right.

Im am also European, Vollmeria, and if you payed any attention to the news economic growth in the eurozone has been cut to almost nill and if you ever go to france even the ice creams are twice as expensive

I dont know about Vollmey but i pay attention to the economic news every day (Channel Z in Belgium) and what you claim here is a lie.

Unless you mean twice as expensive as that same icecream you buy in... London(surprise surprise, what stockmarket went down today?)? Or do you come from Switzerland (SMI, another bourse thats marked in red)

What country are you from?

So, the euro is doing horribly? Thats why the euro is stronger than the US dollar? I dont see any of the larger european countries having trillion dollar deficits, and i dont even think the smaller ones do, or few.

long post.

So you claim that CNN, Foxnews and all the other best newsources of the world are wrong when they say the european economy sucks dick at the moment? The euro may be worth more but companies who trade with the USA lose millions because of that.

Next Tad you can't read. Counterfeit means that it's fake, and when people find out money is fake no one wants to have something to do with it. We had no chance of RP'ing this further so I couldn't say how we uncovered this scam and make Creddy's economy crash.

People agreed this is a bold attempt but everyone liked the idea because it's original

o·rig·i·nal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-rj-nl)
adj.
Preceding all others in time; first.

Not derived from something else; fresh and unusual: an original play, not an adaptation.
Showing a marked departure from previous practice; new: a truly original approach. See Synonyms at new.

Next time Vollmeria tells you something, you'd better listen. I know he a master in critizising(sometimes offending, probably unwillingly) people but he'll only critizise when he knows he's right.

You do know you look very stupid when you say something inane like that? Don't patronize me.

long post.

So you claim that CNN, Foxnews and all the other best newsources of the world are wrong when they say the european economy sucks dick at the moment? The euro may be worth more but companies who trade with the USA lose millions because of that.
The news about the srockmarkets that you read up there is from NBC thank you.
This is why everything is cheaper for us, we can buy stuff in America for lower prices. So products here are cheaper not more expensive, some keep prices normal so they have more profit .

Next Tad you can't read. Counterfeit means that it's fake, and when people find out money is fake no one wants to have something to do with it. We had no chance of RP'ing this further so I couldn't say how we uncovered this scam and make Creddy's economy crash.
You never uncovered it, so nobody knows it. And if you say it is fake then he will just claim it to be real. You cant tell the difference(or didnt) so nothing canged.

People agreed this is a bold attempt but everyone liked the idea because it's original

o·rig·i·nal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-rj-nl)
adj.
Preceding all others in time; first.

Not derived from something else; fresh and unusual: an original play, not an adaptation.
Showing a marked departure from previous practice; new: a truly original approach. See Synonyms at new.
If "people" jump of a cliff, do you follow them? I know i wouldnt because i'm not among the sheep that follow the dog . Anyone who would get hit like this would do his best to get out of it quick, either by ignoring or just saying its impossible.
Having an original idea doesnt mean you have a good idea.

Next time Vollmeria tells you something, you'd better listen. I know he a master in critizising(sometimes offending, probably unwillingly) people but he'll only critizise when he knows he's right.

You do know you look very stupid when you say something inane like that? Don't patronize me.

You think what you want to think! he's right, and the longer you try to say i'm wrong the more stupid you will look.

Im am also European, Vollmeria, and if you payed any attention to the news economic growth in the eurozone has been cut to almost nill and if you ever go to france even the ice creams are twice as expensive

I dont know about Vollmey but i pay attention to the economic news every day (Channel Z in Belgium) and what you claim here is a lie.

Unless you mean twice as expensive as that same icecream you buy in... London(surprise surprise, what stockmarket went down today?)? Or do you come from Switzerland (SMI, another bourse thats marked in red)

What country are you from?

I am from england and if you payed attention to financial news properly you should be aware that countrys outside the Eurozone are haveing a period od decent economic growth whereas its dropped to almost nothing inside. Germany i belive no longer even qualifys for the euro becuase of its unemployment so its not all rosy but enough of this debate on the euro

Im am also European, Vollmeria, and if you payed any attention to the news economic growth in the eurozone has been cut to almost nill and if you ever go to france even the ice creams are twice as expensive

I dont know about Vollmey but i pay attention to the economic news every day (Channel Z in Belgium) and what you claim here is a lie.

Unless you mean twice as expensive as that same icecream you buy in... London(surprise surprise, what stockmarket went down today?)? Or do you come from Switzerland (SMI, another bourse thats marked in red)

What country are you from?

I am from england and if you payed attention to financial news properly you should be aware that countrys outside the Eurozone are haveing a period od decent economic growth whereas its dropped to almost nothing inside. Germany i belive no longer even qualifys for the euro becuase of its unemployment so its not all rosy but enough of this debate on the euro
liar!
The governor of the National bank here just anounced 2.3% economocal growth and expects/predicts 2.6% economical growth for the future, 80 000 new jobs will be created and export will improve.

Sirens of Titan: in the Thirties a man with a li'l mustache had an original idea too, he called it "Endlosing" but today it is often referred to as "the holocaust". Except for a couple of politicians in the UK and France nobody cared (because they were not the target; especially true for the US).Why do we even fight fascists and Nazi-sympathyzers?

2) You said you destroyed most for the creddy money wich you replaced by identical fake money and nothing else. So dont give me the "didnt get the chance to RP"- crap, you had more then enough chance. Makes me think of Midlonia's who always knows/finds your secret IC info and thus always comes up with the perfect solution.

Anyway, i quit! i did my best but some of you are too stubborn to admit you're wrong. You rather believe lies, or in SoTs case things you dont understand, then reality.