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The Penpusher Confederacy's military has requested that a nation sells a design for an assault rifle for the Penpusher military. Our arms designers will design a new assault rifle based on the design, and if it works well in testing, we will consider mass production for our army to adopt the new rifle. Our current weapons are outdated and unreliable.

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I think you'll find that almost all Assault Rifles are based on the German StG44 somewhere along the line- most noticeably, the AK-47 family.

Most of the rifles people will offer you will either be M-16 or AK-47s, possibly with some FN-FALs, G3s, and perhaps some SA80s thrown in for good measure.

Roycelandia still uses the Mk III and No 5 Lee-Enfield rifles, in .303 British calibre, and have no complaints whatsoever with them.

It's all about training- we've trained out troops not to waste ammo, to aim, and so on.

Then again, it all depends where your troops are going, who they're fighting, etc...

Some details on your requirements for the rifle would be nice.

Also why make a design based on the design when the parent design may already be near perfect?

In Crookfur we use our very own 6.25x43mm round which gives the optimum balance of power and weight.
We do however supply a number of rifles that use the .270WIN round which is slightly more powerful.

Our rnage of fire arms can be veiwed here:
http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/rifles.html

We are also very happy to custom design a rifle to your requirments (our next major rifle project is a drop on upper receiver/barrel repalcment for the M16 that uses a G36/M4HK closed bolt mechanism with our 6.25mm rounds).

Of course .303 is still a very nice round, and still in wide use with reserve units in Crookfur.

M56 Pulse Rifle
Caliber: 6.8mm
Range (Effective): 300 Meters
Range (Max Effective): 450 Meters
Configuration: Bullpup
Rounds Per Magazine: 50
Action: Safe, Two Round Burst, Automatic
Accessories: Various sighting equipment, magazine-fed 40mm grenade launcher, drum magazine 20mm grenade launcher, suppresor
Price: 1000 USD
Pic (http://www.norrkoping.bonet.se/rad/guns/RadTech_Carbine_2gr.jpg)

M59 Pulse Carbine
Caliber: 6.8mm
Range (Effective): 200 Meters
Range (Max Effective): 300 Meters
Configuration: Bullpup
Rounds Per Magazine: 30
Action: Safe, Two Round Burst, Automatic
Accessories: Various sighting equipment, pump-action grenade launcher, suppresor
Price: 800 USD
Pic (http://www.norrkoping.bonet.se/rad/guns/RadTech_Carbine_Deluxe.jpg)


We can modify either rifle to fire any normal rifle caliber, so if your military has something in mind we can more than likely make it.

You could use the plans for the good old SM1939 (or its earliest variants), which is accurate and reliable and can be reloaded from chargers, for free and modify them to meet your needs. You'd probably want to modify the design for a cartridge other than the 7x51mm and copy some of the improvements we have made over the years to increase accuracy, reliability, and ease of use. You could also buy the last variant from us...We're upgrading to a bullpup version.
In Crookfur we use our very own 6.25x43mm round which gives the optimum balance of power and weight.Hmph. The Nianaciana 7mm is the best.

I think you'll find that almost all Assault Rifles are based on the German StG44 somewhere along the line- most noticeably, the AK-47 family.

Most of the rifles people will offer you will either be M-16 or AK-47s, possibly with some FN-FALs, G3s, and perhaps some SA80s thrown in for good measure.

Roycelandia still uses the Mk III and No 5 Lee-Enfield rifles, in .303 British calibre, and have no complaints whatsoever with them.

It's all about training- we've trained out troops not to waste ammo, to aim, and so on.

Then again, it all depends where your troops are going, who they're fighting, etc...

Penpusher Confederacy, if you are looking for a gun design in general then you are most likely not going to want something from the AK-47/74 family, nor the FN family.

Heckler & Koch or Colt would be your best bet. While the Lee-Enfield guns are nice (BTW, Roycelandia, you do know that the standard British Enfield rifles {L96A1 & SA-80 Carbine} do not originally fire .303, they fire the 5.56 NATO standard .21 round), you still would rather have a German or American made gun over them because Enfield guns are clumsy in feel and apperance, and have bad marks in terms of reliability.

Here, you check my storefront out and get back to me through TG's if you want a contract or a production design for one or a bunch of my guns:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144188&highlight=

Heckler & Koch or Colt would be your best bet. While the Lee-Enfield guns are nice (BTW, Roycelandia, you do know that the standard British Enfield rifles {L96A1 & SA-80 Carbine} do not originally fire .303, they fire the 5.56 NATO standard .21 round), you still would rather have a German or American made gun over them because Enfield guns are clumsy in feel and apperance, and have bad marks in terms of reliability.

I am well aware that the SA-80 is chambered for 5.56mm- I was using it as an example of a Non-American assault rifle/carbine.

Perhaps you'd like to back up your claim that Enfield guns have "Bad Marks" in terms of reliability?

I'm curious as to why you'd make this statement, as most Military Historians (notably Ian Skennerton, and many others) regard the Lee-Enfield as the best Bolt Action Infantry rifle ever produced.

The only ones that have ever had any "reliability issues" are some of the Lithgows (stocked with coachwood, perhaps not the best wood to use as a rifle stock- although it served the Aussies well in WWII) and some of the Ishapore models, due to mistreatment rather than any actual design fault.

Amongst Enfield collectors (and the Milsurp world in general), the English-made Lee-Enfields are very sought after, most notably anything made by London Small Arms or Standard Small Arms.

All this applies to the No I Mk I/II/III/III*, the No 4 Mk I/I*/II and No. 5 Jungle Carbine equally. They're all excellent rifles, and still shoot as well today as when they were made up to 90-odd years ago. And not only do they shoot well, they can out-shoot a modern Winchester or Remington Bolt Action in many cases.

ACW Multipurpose Assault Rifle:

http://www.americasarmy.com/images/intel_m4modded.gif
http://www.americasarmy.com/images/intel_sfmods.jpg

The first, and greatest, Tyrandis infantry weapon ever developed, the Adaptable Combat Weapon was designed as the finest assault rifle ever manufactured.

Utilizing modifiable parts on a solid rifle chassis, the ACW can be adapted to any possible combat situation, thus removing the need for purchasing multiple weapons platforms.

The barrel of the rifle can be fitted with a flash/sound suppressor (more commonly known as a silencer), a laser sight for pinpointing targets (effective range roughly 750m), or a Gauss accelerator for distance engagements and anti-armor purposes.

Mounted on the bottom of the rifle are either a GP-IV Propelled Grenade Launcher, a bipod for more accurate shooting, or a NVD-class flamethrower.

The ACW can be fitted with a variety of advanced combat optics (10x scope for snipers, reflex sights for close quarters, etc.), though it can be outfitted with standard ironsights for soldiers unsuited to the new technology.

The sides of the rifle can be fitted with the MLW (Multiple-Light-Wavelength) flashlight, useful for targets with cloak technology or low light environments.

More modifications are in development at this time.

Fire Modes: Single shot, 3-round burst, and full automatic.
Effective Range: 600 m w/o Gauss accelerator, 750 m with.
Ammunition caliber: 7.62x39 mm
Magazine size: 45 rounds
Fire rate: Around 800/rounds per min
Propulsion system: Chemical explosion
Reload time: Roughly 5.6 sec.
Weight: 7 pounds w/o mods or ammo, 8.5 pounds w/ one magazine, no mods.

Price: $800 for one rifle, no mods, $1200 for one w/ all mods.

No logistical problems here.

The Empire of Laserhead Sharks is a small nation by average standards, and has just recently started funding a space program while maintaining a well-equipped security force on a Thriving economy.

Therefore, I feel that I can meet your needs for a base weapon design, with your input on the specifications.

And that input is important.

1. Do you want a normal rifle design based on 20th to 21st century tech?

2. Do you want your rifle to fire normal gunpowder bullets, or even use solid ballistic ammunition at all? I can modify it to fire biological pellets, or even show you a experimental design for what I call a laser gun.

At the moment, It's meant for construction purposes. A laser is light amplification through a simultaneous emittion of radiation; essentially, the gun makes a concentrated blast of heat, colored so a soldier can see where to aim. The problem lies in three factors:

1. A laser, in its current form, cannot be used in a quick fashion. By which I mean you have to "paint" a target before the heat concentrates enough to generate sufficient damage to the target, and painting times easily vary on the target. An enemy soldier fast on his feet can easily evade or suffer no permanent effects of less than half a minute's exposure to the laser beam; contrary, it may take more than three minutes of painting to burn through a medium tank's ballistic armor.

2. In its current form, I cannot stress the importance of power overload. Laser weaponry are both effective and devastating only when a sufficent fuel source is used; a satellite laser often is built with a small nuclear reactor directly powering the machine, with a set of safety relays to stop overheat and control the burst duration. For my laser to work as a handheld portable small arm, the soldier would need some type of mobile power source and necessary safety protocols added inside.

3. The cost of creating the battery units, wiring, electronic system and focus mirrors per laser gun on a mass produced scale is prohibitively high for the Empire right now.

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Heckler & Koch or Colt would be your best bet. While the Lee-Enfield guns are nice (BTW, Roycelandia, you do know that the standard British Enfield rifles {L96A1 & SA-80 Carbine} do not originally fire .303, they fire the 5.56 NATO standard .21 round), you still would rather have a German or American made gun over them because Enfield guns are clumsy in feel and apperance, and have bad marks in terms of reliability.

I am well aware that the SA-80 is chambered for 5.56mm- I was using it as an example of a Non-American assault rifle/carbine.

Perhaps you'd like to back up your claim that Enfield guns have "Bad Marks" in terms of reliability?

I'm curious as to why you'd make this statement, as most Military Historians (notably Ian Skennerton, and many others) regard the Lee-Enfield as the best Bolt Action Infantry rifle ever produced.

The only ones that have ever had any "reliability issues" are some of the Lithgows (stocked with coachwood, perhaps not the best wood to use as a rifle stock- although it served the Aussies well in WWII) and some of the Ishapore models, due to mistreatment rather than any actual design fault.

Amongst Enfield collectors (and the Milsurp world in general), the English-made Lee-Enfields are very sought after, most notably anything made by London Small Arms or Standard Small Arms.

All this applies to the No I Mk I/II/III/III*, the No 4 Mk I/I*/II and No. 5 Jungle Carbine equally. They're all excellent rifles, and still shoot as well today as when they were made up to 90-odd years ago. And not only do they shoot well, they can out-shoot a modern Winchester or Remington Bolt Action in many cases.

Im not talking about the actual Lee-Enfield bolt action rifles of WWII (if you actually use those in your military then thats your business, as I would at least take a M1 Springfield Garand over an Enfield, if I was to use a WWII gun at all.)

Here im talking about the L85A1 and SA-80 Carbine. They were complete failures in terms of mass-producing. The British hate them, and when Enfield tried to fix the problem, more problems just arose with the gun. Read on it here:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as22-e.htm

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I'd have to agree with him. Your clip doesn't look like it holds 10 rounds, for one thing.

ACW Multipurpose Assault Rifle:

http://www.americasarmy.com/images/intel_m4modded.gif
http://www.americasarmy.com/images/intel_sfmods.jpg

The first, and greatest, Tyrandis infantry weapon ever developed, the Adaptable Combat Weapon was designed as the finest assault rifle ever manufactured.

Utilizing modifiable parts on a solid rifle chassis, the ACW can be adapted to any possible combat situation, thus removing the need for purchasing multiple weapons platforms.

The barrel of the rifle can be fitted with a flash/sound suppressor (more commonly known as a silencer), a laser sight for pinpointing targets (effective range roughly 750m), or a Gauss accelerator for distance engagements and anti-armor purposes.

Mounted on the bottom of the rifle are either a GP-IV Propelled Grenade Launcher, a bipod for more accurate shooting, or a NVD-class flamethrower.

The ACW can be fitted with a variety of advanced combat optics (10x scope for snipers, reflex sights for close quarters, etc.), though it can be outfitted with standard ironsights for soldiers unsuited to the new technology.

The sides of the rifle can be fitted with the MLW (Multiple-Light-Wavelength) flashlight, useful for targets with cloak technology or low light environments.

More modifications are in development at this time.

Fire Modes: Single shot, 3-round burst, and full automatic.
Effective Range: 600 m w/o Gauss accelerator, 750 m with.
Ammunition caliber: 7.62x39 mm
Magazine size: 45 rounds
Fire rate: Around 800/rounds per min
Propulsion system: Chemical explosion
Reload time: Roughly 5.6 sec.
Weight: 7 pounds w/o mods or ammo, 8.5 pounds w/ one magazine, no mods.

Price: $800 for one rifle, no mods, $1200 for one w/ all mods.

No logistical problems here.

Dude, your weapon is known as a Colt C4A1 Sopmod. Thaose pictures are directly lifted off of www.Americasarmy.com it's a kick butt gun, but not a new design of Tyrandis.
My country is currently using M-16A2s as its main combat rifle. Special forces are using XM-8s, http://www.thermaldynamics.com/pictures/xm8-2.jpg and our submachine guns are H&K MP5s and Calico Industries weapons. http://mem.tcon.net/users/5010/5491/calico.htm#info
We use a Remington 870 pump shotgun for clearance purposes. http://www.remington.com/firearms/shotguns/870mrmag.htm

We are working on a rifle design that will replace our current weapon stock.

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I'd have to agree with him. Your clip doesn't look like it holds 10 rounds, for one thing.If that is in response to Tyrandis's gun, it looks like it uses a magazine, not a clip, and the magazine in the picture can IRL hold 30 rounds.
RC: People make up their own weapons but have to use pictures from RL weapons to get their point across.If you find pictures with similar enough colors, you can make a collage.
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I think you'll find that almost all Assault Rifles are based on the German StG44 somewhere along the line- most noticeably, the AK-47 family.

Most of the rifles people will offer you will either be M-16 or AK-47s, possibly with some FN-FALs, G3s, and perhaps some SA80s thrown in for good measure.

Roycelandia still uses the Mk III and No 5 Lee-Enfield rifles, in .303 British calibre, and have no complaints whatsoever with them.

It's all about training- we've trained out troops not to waste ammo, to aim, and so on.

Then again, it all depends where your troops are going, who they're fighting, etc...

How many time does this need to be said? AK47 has NOTHING in common with the StG44/MP44. They look similar but use completely different firing systems among other things.

Oh and FEF put forths the RH-1R1 rifle based on the AN-94 but firing a 5.56x45mm round. It has the ability to delay recoil so that only after a second round is fired will the recoil be felt thus leading to more accuracy in a burst then conventional assault rifles.: http://www.army.lt/guns/gallery/A28.jpg

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Point number 1.

If that is in response to Tyrandis's gun, it looks like it uses a magazine, not a clip, and the magazine in the picture can IRL hold 30 rounds.

It is, and in real life a standard STANAG magazine can hold 30 rounds. But he mentioned 45, and I'm a sucker for a detailed roleplay. To my knowledge a 45 round clip doesn't yet exist for a M-16-style rifle, but 60 round modified containers do.

It also looked to me like he was trying to make the collage fit to scale, and the bullets seemed too large for the capacity he stated.

Ammunition caliber: 7.62x39 mm

In fact, they are. 5.56x45 is the NATO standard, I think, but I'll check on that. What he's mentioned are fatter and longer than what can go in a typical M-16, and if my memory serves me right, a 45 capacity clip does exist for the AKM. It's way big.

Say he makes one though. In a roleplaying game, his troops and anyone that owns his rifle would have to deal with extremely loaded, raring-to-break springs inside the magazines. That would lead to jammed magazines, jammed rifles, broken equipment, an even heavier load to carry and awkward poses while trying to fire from any position. Altogether that's a step backward for an army trying to find a new battle rifle.

Whereas my laser has disadvatages, but would fit the new "look" that the Penpusher Confederacy wants. He has yet to specify gunpowder-based arms, after all.

Point number 2.

Eternal Flame:

People confuse the two because they look incredibly similar. Let's face it, not everyone in the world roleplays or loves guns like we do.

Very true Laser, very true.

Trandis:
I suggest going with a Beta C dual drum magazine capable of carrying 100 rounds in a compact package. Twas field tested and has shown it can hold up to quite a beating.

No. We need gunpowder-based weapons. Laser weapons are too unreliable (or so say the military experts)

[Guys, I'm seeing a lot of OOC highjacking without any OOC indicators, please fix that. It should be noted that extended 40 round clips for the M16 do exist, I just don't know of anyone who uses them.]

I think you'll find that almost all Assault Rifles are based on the German StG44 somewhere along the line- most noticeably, the AK-47 family.

Most of the rifles people will offer you will either be M-16 or AK-47s, possibly with some FN-FALs, G3s, and perhaps some SA80s thrown in for good measure.

Roycelandia still uses the Mk III and No 5 Lee-Enfield rifles, in .303 British calibre, and have no complaints whatsoever with them.

It's all about training- we've trained out troops not to waste ammo, to aim, and so on.

Then again, it all depends where your troops are going, who they're fighting, etc...

How many time does this need to be said? AK47 has NOTHING in common with the StG44/MP44. They look similar but use completely different firing systems among other things.

Oh and FEF put forths the RH-1R1 rifle based on the AN-94 but firing a 5.56x45mm round. It has the ability to delay recoil so that only after a second round is fired will the recoil be felt thus leading to more accuracy in a burst then conventional assault rifles.: http://www.army.lt/guns/gallery/A28.jpg

Just a note, the entire AK 'collection' was based on the StG44.

(OOC: Thanks, Scandinavian. But do 45 round magazines exist?)

Whichever you choose, Penpusher Confederacy, you should choose that which will serve your military best.

The Empire of Laserhead Sharks can modify several hundred rifles of any contemporary model you wish, prepped for your technical departments, and perhaps you would want to purchase the services of another contractor for the remaining arms.

If you have the funds, I would highly recommend you look at a design off this model:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as21-e.htm

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http://www.moral-flexibility.net/images/norcm14_02.jpg

(will this work?

http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2004/05/m14_rifle_histo.html)

[Can anyone find a picture of a modified M14?]

OOC: i dont know what you deem as "modified" but do these help?

http://world.guns.ru/assault/m14.jpg
The M14 rifle

http://world.guns.ru/assault/m14a1.jpg
The M14AI "Squad automatic weapon." Note the different stock with folding forward grip and detachable bipod.

OOC2: aren't the M14s getting outdated...and even though i know that a few of the united states special ops are still using them (i.e. the navy seals)

http://www.moral-flexibility.net/images/norcm14_02.jpg

(will this work?

http://www.moral-flexibility.net/blog/archives/2004/05/m14_rifle_histo.html)

OOC: eh...this pic beats mine...

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The CETME mod. C is under consideration for adoption. We are looking to obtain a manufacturing license for the rifle and modify it. We are also adopting the .408 CheyTac Intervention M200 Rifle for our Special Forces troops, and the M100 version for (regular) army snipers. We have purchased a manufacturing license from the CheyTac company for the two Intervention rifles, and Parliament shall specify an amount of funds from our military budget to be diverted into arms manufacturing. For this we will scrap most of our surplus military arms. The CETME rifle will not be adopted until our military approves for its adoption.

(OOC: link is below pic.

So what's the consensus here? We've been sucessful in shooting down each other's ideas, now what can we do for Penpusher?)


In a brightly lit hallway of a historically expensive inn, the representative from the Laserhead Empire was anxiously pacing up and down. The echoes of his steps rang and faded off the walls as he thought to himself of the consequences of failing to bring a needed arms contract back to his country...

The consequences to his family.

Chassire Arms, the Walmingtonian royal small arms factory, offers for consideration the rifle recently adopted for service in the Royal Walmingtonian Army. The Chassire Rifle, Automatic, Bullpup-1 has received favourable reports from troops engaged in North America who cite solid reliability and high accuracy, something achieved quickly and easily thanks to the good (none telescopic) sights.

(ooc: Of course, WoS troops are used to struggling with huge, poorly balanced CAFMIR .303 bolt action rifles...)

The CRAB-1 is a semi-automatic rifle chambered for the new .260" Wayne (6.5x47mm) cartridge, which is also used by the Chassire Army Machine-Gun, Land, MkII Lupine. The CRAB-1's eighteen round detachable box magazine may be reloaded by six-round chargers inserted through an open bolt.

http://img48.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/CRAB-1.jpg
Chassire Rifle, Automatic, Bullpup-1

Some info on the original SM1939:
Cartridge: 7x51mm (You could copy the later version firing the 7x43mm)
Action: Gas-operated, rotating bolt
Feed system: 20- or 30-round box magazine
Rate of fire: 500 rpm
Safety: Combined safety catch and fire selector above the trigger on the left side
Unloading: Magazine catch at rear of magazine housing
Charger guides machined into receiver top cover
Five-position gas regulator to adjust the system for various conditions

[I don't know that a 45 round clip does exist, but I'm sure it can.]

I think you'll find that almost all Assault Rifles are based on the German StG44 somewhere along the line- most noticeably, the AK-47 family.

Most of the rifles people will offer you will either be M-16 or AK-47s, possibly with some FN-FALs, G3s, and perhaps some SA80s thrown in for good measure.

Roycelandia still uses the Mk III and No 5 Lee-Enfield rifles, in .303 British calibre, and have no complaints whatsoever with them.

It's all about training- we've trained out troops not to waste ammo, to aim, and so on.

Then again, it all depends where your troops are going, who they're fighting, etc...

How many time does this need to be said? AK47 has NOTHING in common with the StG44/MP44. They look similar but use completely different firing systems among other things.

Oh and FEF put forths the RH-1R1 rifle based on the AN-94 but firing a 5.56x45mm round. It has the ability to delay recoil so that only after a second round is fired will the recoil be felt thus leading to more accuracy in a burst then conventional assault rifles.: http://www.army.lt/guns/gallery/A28.jpg

Just a note, the entire AK 'collection' was based on the StG44.

Tell that to Kalashnikov who says otherwise. Totally different firing system + Kalashnikov saying so =/= based on StG44.

Some more info on the FEF RH-1R1:

Caliber: 5.56x45 mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt; moving barrel-receiver-gas drive group for delayed recoil action
Overall length: 943 mm (728 mm with butt folded)
Barrel length: 405 mm
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds, 90 round single drum, 100 round Beta C dual drum
Weight, without magazine: 3.85 k g
Cyclic rate of fire: 1800 rounds per minute when on 2-round burst mode and 600 rounds per minute when on fully automatic.
Maximum effective range: 700 meters
Firing options: Semi-auto, 2 round burst, and fully automatic.


Also available is the RH-1R2 which features a skeleton stock nescessary for the RH-1 to be fired with stock folded, and and 4-round burst.

[Can anyone find a picture of a modified M14?]

OOC: i dont know what you deem as "modified" but do these help?

http://world.guns.ru/assault/m14.jpg
The M14 rifle

http://world.guns.ru/assault/m14a1.jpg
The M14AI "Squad automatic weapon." Note the different stock with folding forward grip and detachable bipod.

OOC2: aren't the M14s getting outdated...and even though i know that a few of the united states special ops are still using them (i.e. the navy seals)

OOC: The M14 is a great gun, extremely well put together, and able to fire the powerful 7.62 round at high speeds (750 rds/min). True, however, it probably is being phased out, but the U.S. Navy Seals still use them with maximum effectiveness.

I think you'll find that almost all Assault Rifles are based on the German StG44 somewhere along the line- most noticeably, the AK-47 family.

Most of the rifles people will offer you will either be M-16 or AK-47s, possibly with some FN-FALs, G3s, and perhaps some SA80s thrown in for good measure.

Roycelandia still uses the Mk III and No 5 Lee-Enfield rifles, in .303 British calibre, and have no complaints whatsoever with them.

It's all about training- we've trained out troops not to waste ammo, to aim, and so on.

Then again, it all depends where your troops are going, who they're fighting, etc...

How many time does this need to be said? AK47 has NOTHING in common with the StG44/MP44. They look similar but use completely different firing systems among other things.

Oh and FEF put forths the RH-1R1 rifle based on the AN-94 but firing a 5.56x45mm round. It has the ability to delay recoil so that only after a second round is fired will the recoil be felt thus leading to more accuracy in a burst then conventional assault rifles.: http://www.army.lt/guns/gallery/A28.jpg

Just a note, the entire AK 'collection' was based on the StG44.

Tell that to Kalashnikov who says otherwise. Totally different firing system + Kalashnikov saying so =/= based on StG44.

Some more info on the FEF RH-1R1:

Caliber: 5.56x45 mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt; moving barrel-receiver-gas drive group for delayed recoil action
Overall length: 943 mm (728 mm with butt folded)
Barrel length: 405 mm
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds, 90 round single drum, 100 round Beta C dual drum
Weight, without magazine: 3.85 k g
Cyclic rate of fire: 1800 rounds per minute when on 2-round burst mode and 600 rounds per minute when on fully automatic.
Maximum effective range: 700 meters
Firing options: Semi-auto, 2 round burst, and fully automatic.


Also available is the RH-1R2 which features a skeleton stock nescessary for the RH-1 to be fired with stock folded, and and 4-round burst.

Actually, the AK series was ultimately based on the StG 44 assualt rifle, as all other assualt rifles were, giving it the dubbed name 'the father of all assualt rifles'.

Even though the internals and firing mechanism may be completely different, the StG could and most likely inspired the making of the AK series.

P.S.- On Modern Marvels on the History Channel, a documentary on the AK series of firearms points out Kalashnikov himself dicussing the relationships between the AK-47 and StG 44.

He also yells at people who call the AK-47 a copy of the StG44

Im not saying it is a copy of the StG 44. Im merely saying that they do have close relationships.

if you need a design, look no farther that the mini-14. It fires a fast semi-auto .223 caliber round, the same caliber in the m-16. It is accurate, fast, and deadly, and looks sweet.

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Actually, the AK series was ultimately based on the StG 44 assualt rifle, as all other assualt rifles were, giving it the dubbed name 'the father of all assualt rifles'.The Italian Cei-Rigotti and the Russian Federov Avtomat of 1916 (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ARavtomat.jpg) were assault rifles* that came before the Stg 44.

*They did not call them assault rifles, but that is what they were.

Here is the design I submit:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/tarek13/WAR-15.jpg
Basically, same system as the new XM8, but a bit different. The optical sight has an IR laser, an illuminator, and etc, like the XM8. Without that sight, it has iron sights and costs $600 USD. With that sight, it costs roughly $1800 USD (both per gun for price). For manufacture rights/blue prints, you name a price. Also, our guns are guaranteed reliable and durable. We have a 0 tolerance for manufacturing defects.

For more info on the XM8: http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/rifles-carbines/xm8.html

if you need a design, look no farther that the mini-14. It fires a fast semi-auto .223 caliber round, the same caliber in the m-16. It is accurate, fast, and deadly, and looks sweet.

Close, the M16 fires .21 (5.56mm) but its the same thing lol.

OOC:
Actually, the AK series was ultimately based on the StG 44 assualt rifle, as all other assualt rifles were, giving it the dubbed name 'the father of all assualt rifles'.The Italian Cei-Rigotti and the Russian Federov Avtomat of 1916 (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ARavtomat.jpg) were assault rifles* that came before the Stg 44.

*They did not call them assault rifles, but that is what they were.

Well, given that the first gun ever dubbed the word 'assualt rifle' or 'automatic rifle' was the StG 44, then im still going to have to hold up my point that the AK series of guns were ultimately based on the StG.

Is the CETME mod. C still your first choice, Penpusher Confederacy?
OOC: Close, the M16 fires .21 (5.56mm) but its the same thing lol.It's called .223-caliber or 5.56mm.
Well, given that the first gun ever dubbed the word 'assualt rifle' or 'automatic rifle' was the StG 44, then im still going to have to hold up my point that the AK series of guns were ultimately based on the StG.Assault rifle was just a bit of propaganda that the world picked up on. As for automatic rifle, the BAR came before the StG 44.

if you need a design, look no farther that the mini-14. It fires a fast semi-auto .223 caliber round, the same caliber in the m-16. It is accurate, fast, and deadly, and looks sweet.

Close, the M16 fires .21 (5.56mm) but its the same thing lol.

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Actually, the AK series was ultimately based on the StG 44 assualt rifle, as all other assualt rifles were, giving it the dubbed name 'the father of all assualt rifles'.The Italian Cei-Rigotti and the Russian Federov Avtomat of 1916 (http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/ARavtomat.jpg) were assault rifles* that came before the Stg 44.

*They did not call them assault rifles, but that is what they were.

Well, given that the first gun ever dubbed the word 'assualt rifle' or 'automatic rifle' was the StG 44, then im still going to have to hold up my point that the AK series of guns were ultimately based on the StG.

That's like saying the Rifle is based on the musket and so forth back in time. The AK-47 wasn't based on the StG 44, is had the same purpose and you could make a case of them looking similar, but other than that they are totally different guns.

The Penpusher Confederacy's military has requested that a nation sells a design for an assault rifle for the Penpusher military. Our arms designers will design a new assault rifle based on the design, and if it works well in testing, we will consider mass production for our army to adopt the new rifle. Our current weapons are outdated and unreliable.


FWS suggests you consider something along the lines of the F-Fn-Fal... It is basically a standard Fn-Fal rifle except that it is longer and has a collapsible stock... It is larger because the avg fascian male is 6'2, and we need larger rifles because of it.

Well, given that the first gun ever dubbed the word 'assualt rifle' or 'automatic rifle' was the StG 44, then im still going to have to hold up my point that the AK series of guns were ultimately based on the StG.Assault rifle was just a bit of propaganda that the world picked up on. As for automatic rifle, the BAR came before the StG 44.
The BAR was essentially a machine gun (it was called an automatic rifle because it fired rifle rounds and had a rifled barrel, but most machine guns have rifled barrels and fire rifle rounds). The Heckler und Koch G3 rifle is based on the Spanish CETME mod. C, which in turn is based on the German MP44.

We propose a better(offcourse) design then the ones offered here. Not my design, just a good weapon i produce and use (more then 1 weapon actually)

The FN-fal is a nice weapon but it is outdated, here is the FNC its new cousin
http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Fnc/FNC.jpg
Operating principle Gas operated
• Overall weapon length
- with butt extended 1,000mm (39.37in)
- with butt retracted 756 mm (29.76 in)
• Weight without magazine 3.850 kg (8.47 lbs)
• Weight with loaded magazine 4.445 kg (9.78 lbs)
• Magazine capacity 30 rounds
• Effective range 450 m (437 yd) (mechanical sight)
600 m (656 yd) (optical sight)
• Firing modes Semi- auto - 3 round-bursts - full auto
• Cyclic rate of fire 650 to 750 rpm

An effective weapon, reliable in all conditions and ertains its accuracy after 20.000 rounds in normal use
http://www.fnherstal.com/html/Fnc/FNC6.jpg
As you can see, it can be fitted with a NATO standard sight base, to allow a variety of optical day and night sights

If you think its to outdated, we offer you a newer weapon
http://www.fnherstal.com/html/F2000/F2000D.gif
http://www.fnherstal.com/html/F2000/F2000MODU.jpg
Caliber 5.56 x 45 mm + 40 mm LV
-Operating principle: Gas operated
-Muzzle velocity 900 m/s (2,953 fps)
-Lenght, ready to fire 694 mm (27.32 in)
-Barrel length 400 mm (15.75 in)
-Weight w. empty mag3.6 kg (7.95 lbs)
-Magazine type:M16 type, used on most NATOrifles and LMG
-Magazine capacity 30
-Sight 1.6 x optical
-Cyclic rate of fire 850 rpm

The conception of the F2000™ allows accesories to be added
while respecting the ergonomics, balance and the smooth lines
of the rifle.

Space is provided inside the weapon for a centralized power pack,...
http://www.fnherstal.com/html/F2000/F2000EJECT.jpg
thanks to the forward ejection, the left-handed shooter is not at risk from cases, gas or debris,...
the safety and firing selector, the magazine catch, etc,... are easy to manipulate left-handed.

OOC note: The AK47 is based on the SKS simonov, The russians might have stolen some idea's from the STG44 but those are minor

The BAR was essentially a machine gun (it was called an automatic rifle because it fired rifle rounds and had a rifled barrel, but most machine guns have rifled barrels and fire rifle rounds).I know, but it was still called an automatic rifle. ;)
We propose a better(offcourse) design then the ones offered here.:o I think not.

The Dominion wishes to offer the new Viking Sturmgewehr 635, or VSg-635 Modular Battle System for consideration. Coming into service as the Dominion's new primary infantry weapon, the VSg-635 is quickly developing a reputation for adaptability and reliability. It is capable of being quickly reconfigured for left or right handed firing, as well as to serve as an assault rifle, squad automatic weapon, or submachine gun.

Viking Firearms Sturmgewehr-635 (VSg-635)

In the future, when a Dominion soldier reaches for his weapon, his hand will close around the grip of a VSg-635 Modular Battle System. Once that connection is made, there is little in this world that can stand against him. Built around the M6550 HVGBM round designed by the United City-States of New Empire, the VSg-635 is a fully modular weapon system intended to provide advanced tactical capability to our nation's warriors. The VSg-635 begins at the base with a heavy weapon system - In most configurations, this consists of a 20mm rapid-fire grenade launcher with a 8- or 12-round removable box magazine. Designed to fire any of the New Empire's 20mm grenades - Including their flechette, shot, or a specially designed breaching cartridge, any of which turn the weapon into a high-powered shotgun. Built in a bullpup configuration, the heavy weapon mates to the Anti-Personel weapon which lays atop it.

Instead of the standard 20mm grenade launcher, a miniature RPG launcher may be substituted. Although it does not include the same rapid-fire capability, it maintains the same high magazine capacity, and provides the kind of punch that only a 20mm RPG can give. Again, this weapon fires all the UCSNE munitions of the applicable class. Mating to the heavy weapon by laying atop it, the anti-personel weapon offers a further variety of options to the soldier that wields it. The most common is a rifle in the 6.5x50mm Caseless calibre - Again, developed by the UCSNE. Much like the UCSNE's M9 Close Quarters Battle Weapon, or FN's P90, the rounds are carried vertically in a magazine that lays horizontally along the top of the reciever. Accepting a 60-round magazine, the rifle-configuration of the -635 MBS is expected to replace the FN-FAL based K1A2 ASLR as the primary battle rifle of the Dominion Army.

As well as the rifle configuration, there is a squad automatic weapon module with a quick-change barrel that feeds from a disintegrating link belt, and has provisions for the ambidextrous mounting of a battle box to hold the belt. Additionally, there is a 9mm submachine gun module that accepts a top-loading 50- or 100-round helical magazine much like those used in the weapons made by the now-defunct Calico corporation. In all configurations, the heavy weapon module includes an integral laser-dot projector, and a tactical illuminator may be mated to the weapon. Furthermore, all of the anti-personel weapon modules may be mated with a silencer - Including the squad automatic weapon variant.

Finally, the standard sight block is a millimeter-wave radar imaging scope which is routed through the guidance package neccesary to fire the Dominion's Precision Guided Rounds. The screen onto which the guidance package projects its information is actually the back lense of a conventional optical scope with a magnification of 3x. Should the guidance package lose power, the projection ceases, allowing the continued use of the sight using normal ambient light. A similar block is available using an electro-optical sight instead of the MWRI unit. Each weapon system costs $1,400.00 USD, although it is possible to buy just a single configuration for $700.00 USD.

THS government would like to entreat you to our SA 80 individual side arm and its Light Suport cousin:

SA 80 Individual Weapon and Light Support Weapon


SA80 is the designation for a revolutionary family of assault weapons. On its introduction, the L85 Individual Weapon (IW) proved so accurate that the Army marksmanship tests had to be redesigned. The British Army uses the L85 Individual Weapon that replaced the rifle and sub-machine gun, and the L86 Light Support Weapon (LSW) that produces higher volumes of fire and is effective at longer ranges. An infantry section consists of two four-man fire teams armed with SA80s: three IWs and one LSW.

Both weapons have been modified in light of operational experience, and had a major mid-life update in 2002, which resulted in the SA80A2 series - the most reliable weapons of their type in the world.

One new Under slung Grenade Launcher (UGL), designed to be mounted beneath the barrel of the IW, will be issued to each fire team, replacing the Rifle Grenade General Service (RGGS) and 51mm mortar – significantly reducing the ammunition load the infantry section carries, while enhancing its capabilities. The UGL will be able to fire 40mm High Explosive (HE), smoke and illuminating rounds out to a range of 350 m to destroy, obscure or indicate enemy positions.

L85 Individual Weapon
Calibre 5.56 mm
Weight 4.98 kg (with loaded magazine and optical sight)
Length 785 mm
Barrel Length 518 mm
Muzzle Velocity 940 m/s
Feed 30 round magazine
Effective Range 400 m
Cyclic Rate of Fire 610-775 rounds per minute

Picture: http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v35/fredped/sa80a2.jpg

L86 Light Support Weapon

Calibre 5.56 mm
Weight 6.58 kg (with loaded magazine and optical sight)
Length 900 mm
Barrel Length 646 mm
Muzzle Velocity 970 m/s
Feed 30 round magazine
Effective Range 1000m
Cyclic Rate of Fire 610-775 rounds per minute

Picture: http://img11.photobucket.com/albums/v35/fredped/lsw.jpg

BAh if you want an SA80 style weapon go for the Crookfur S1A3, it features a far far superior round, all the improvements over the basic AR18 mechanism that the MOD demanded from Eugene stoner but forgot about when they ripped him off to design the SA-80, it also uses a HK style closed gas system.

It also has a beffier LSW counterpart in the S2A3 (basically the above weapon but with an HK23 style barrel asembly).

BAh if you want an SA80 style weapon go for the Crookfur S1A3, it features a far far superior round, all the improvements over the basic AR18 mechanism that the MOD demanded from Eugene stoner but forgot about when they ripped him off to design the SA-80, it also uses a HK style closed gas system.

It also has a beffier LSW counterpart in the S2A3 (basically the above weapon but with an HK23 style barrel asembly).

If you train the best soldiers, why send them into combat with...less than disirable arms. Why dont you send them in with state of the art weaponry that costs less to Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayers. Look no further for these weapons:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=151490

Chellis would like to submit the LGW P-14 Battle Rifle

We dont have fancy pictures or whatnot, but the rifle has server chellis valiantly for many years. This is quite the weapons to use in larger wars, as while the AK-47 type of weapon has mostly proved itself in conflicts with large jungles and urban areas, the M-16 type has proved itself in desert and basically longer range conflicts. Looking at the nationstates theatre of operations, its obvious that most wars are fought in large areas, whether it be plains, desert, or tundra.

The LGW P14 is based on the idea that a soldier should be able to take out any soldier that he can visually see, and yet be prepared for the ones he cannot. The P14 follows through with this idea by using a semi-automatic assembly, utilizing a bullpup ammunition loading type, and using the Chellian 8.9x63mm Ammunition round. The ammunition is loaded like the german FG-42, through the sides, and is situated just before the pistol grip.

The gun has a scope that is adjustable from 1.5x to 4x magnification. This allows the gun to effectivly hit the enemy at ranges of 700m, with a near guaranteed kill or at least wound capable of taking the soldier out of the battle. The gun can be used to suppress, but this rifle is meant to be used in a squad with a machine gun user for that purpose.

The P14 can accept 15, 20, and 30 round clips, 20 being the norm. Its manufacture allows a modified M203 to be placed under it, various attachments such as a flashlight, or even a light bipod. The barrel is 556mm long and the gun is 950mm long, although for the use of a sniper mission, the barrel can be upgraded to 620mm heavy. The gun is fairly easy to disassemble, and is about as reliable as the latest generation of M-16, not perfect, but its capabilities make up for that. It can fire 15,000 rounds accurate, which has been proved in many field tests.

The RPM is N/A, being a semi-auto. Effective range is 700m. The gun is ambidexterous(sp?), with the bullet cases being fired straight up, and a quick conversion allowing the clip to be put in either side, with a small conversion...which also allows a secondary clip to be put in the other side, to hold it... The gun is 4 kg, but very balanced, so its comfortable. The stock also allows for a conversion to folding stock, with a few changes.

The gun costs $2300 with the scope and (modified)M203, and it also comes with a front grip standard to the Steyr Aug one, that may be taken off to place the M203, etc. Clips are slightly more expensive than regular 20 round clips, but about equal to regular 30 round clips. The bipod/620mm equipment costs $300 extra. The gun is quite costly, compared to some of the lesser guns of the day, but if you want to win a war, you got to spend cash.

The arm currently used by the Schutzstaffel and Wehrmacht troopers of the NAS is the Heckler & Koch G3A4. The weapon is made of steel stampings and hard plastic utilising a roller-delayed blowback action.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as12-e.htm/hk_g3a4.jpg
Details and Statistics:
Caliber: 7.62mmx51
Barrel: 450mm
Weight: 4.4kg
Rifling: 4 grooves, r/hand
Feed: 20 round box magazine
Muz vel: 800m/sec

The NAS would be happy to manufacture the above weapon for any paying customer at 250 US dollars per unit.

OOC: Bump. Bumping bumpiness.