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Kasatonov-class Command and Control Submarine

Soviet Bloc
23-05-2004, 06:56
Kasatonov-class Command and Control Submarines

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To coordinate offensive fleet/national strikes on any enemy, force or land...

"The Kasatonov design was based on that of a ballistic missile submarine but instead of vertical launch tubes for nuclear weapons, she maintains something far more deadly, command and control, the ability to coordinate massive strikes across the globe from a single vantage point."

Enhanced information gathering, receiving, and distribution is the sole mission of the Kasatonov fleet command and control submarine (CCS). The CCS provides the nation's navy with a ship that can enter waters silently and remain undetected, more so than any surface ship. She can gather sonar information while submerged and radar information when surfaced. Her advanced communications, service inter-operability, and integrated control systems allows her to receive information from satellites, aircraft, naval vessels, ground forces, and any defensive net (SOSUS-like) and compile this information into usable material which will then be poured over by command staff within the vessel and orders can then be given to any force within any of the services. She is, however, also well defended and should not be taken lightly. She has VLS tubes (that can carry cruise missiles and most other types of smaller missiles), torpedo tubes, and CIWS systems for when she's surfaced. Her advanced sonar and radar systems can locate and track enemy targets at some of the longest ranges and with frightening accuracy. The Kasatonov can also carry up to two helicopters for transporting command officials and for ASW duties if needed.

The Kasatonov was designed and built to stealthily penetrate enemy waters, gather and distribute information as well as provide orders to friendly naval, air, and land assets and to coordinate any offensive or defensive action in its area of operations.


Reduced Noise
She's also a silent machine. The KTSK motor remarks our latest development in the field of submarine propulsion. The advanced synchronous motor with permanent-field excitation features extreme low noise levels, high efficiency as well as small volume and weight. Due to the small volume and weight of these motors, we can fit four of them in place of the normal two drive shafts. Now these four motors are connected via an advanced relay rod connector system to four of our ESAP (Enclosed-Space Advanced Propeller) systems which offer very little noise due to the fact they are surrounded by an advanced shroud that prevents the normal 'vortex' noise that is heard when the propeller's tip hits the water and causes it to swirl. The advanced relay rod connector system allows the four ESAP systems to rotate up to twenty degrees in any direction, giving the sub enhanced maneuvarbility and, when the situation calls for it, silent turning (noise from hydraulics moving the rudder assembly creates alot of noise). The ESAP and KTSK systems, when coupled, are as close to silent as conventional propulsion can get and offer variable speeds and running conditions. The ESAP system also offers variable pitch propellers. A single WTP-15 under-water pressure nuclear reactor provides power to the motors while a second WTP-6 underwater pressure reactor provides power to batteries, systems, controls, maneuverability, and can assist the engines when needed.

To add to her silence underneath the waves, she has the advanced Silent Under Wave Maneuvering System. This system uses a series of devices that lowers the noise produced when raising or lowering the submarine which means it controls the size of air bubbles produced. Normally, massive 'blobs' of air are let out, with this systems, small systems reduce this to what a fizzing pop resembles. This significantly reduces noise levels. Also under this system are redesigned maneuvering 'canards' (? not sure if its the right term) for when the submarine dives or surfaces.

She's also painted and covered with a composite that allows for water to easily slide across its surface and reduce friction and therefore reduce noise. She also sports a heavy frame, one composed of sound resonating and absorbing materials. Whatever sound she cannot absorb is just resonated through out the sub and doesn't make its way out into the water where enemy sonar can pick it up.

Advanced Underwater Communications System

AUC/SS-14 Telesonar Communications system


The sub can actually send and receive signals underwater, as long as they are 'bounced' or sent from a satellite. These transmissions can be sent from any depth. The principle behind this lies with the 1 of 4 MFSK system. The 1 of 4 MFSK system uses an advanced modulation scheme which allows for high speed (up to 2400 baud) data
transmission. 1 of 4 MFSK is bandwidth efficient, fast and relatively simple to encode. This is then coupled with the Hadamard MFSK: An advanced modulation scheme used to minimize the effects of frequency
dependent fading. This scheme also allows the system to operate at a lower signal to noise ratio (SNR), by working reliably at lower transmit power levels. (Data rates drop to a maximum of 1200 bps when
utilizing Hadamard.) This allows for a slighly altered communications scheme (from the slow speed at which it travels in water), which is then read through the receiver unit and 'decoded' back into a recognizable form. To account for the bending of the radio/audio waves (resembling how light bends in water), a computer automatically sends the signal by using the Refractive Index equals the sine of the Angle of Incidence over the sine of the Angle of Refraction as a base equation. The computer automatically fills in the variables, figures out either the angle of incidence (if the signal is being received) or the angle of refraction (if the angle is being sent) by using the known refractive index. The angle of refraction is also figured out using the position of ARSB satellites by using a seperate radio transmission receiver unit that will receive transmission from satellites that will reveal their position and it will continually update. The system can also know where ARSB satellites are by utilizing an onboard computer program which knows the locations of all satellites and knows their orbits and when they'll be at a certain point at a certain time. This program is accurate to the picosecond from extensive engineering, however the sub maintains a GPS-type system to update the positions of the satellites whenever the sub is surfaced. This same system can be easily updated (by purchaser nations) by adding satellite positions, speed, and orbit. The system will then calculate their exact positions over a seven year period and will update itself over that time if any discrepancy is found. Yes, its complicated but it gives the sub a stealthiness a command ship cannot achieve.

This communications system, known as the AUC/SS-14 Telesonar system, also has three other methods for increased data reliability:

Data Redundancy: Data redundance, also referred to as frequency diversity, is a method whereby the
same data bits are transmitted two or more times in the same data frame. Therefore, reliability is
increased by transmitting the same data bits twice in a single data frame.

Convolutional Coding: An error correction technique in which a Viterbi algorithm is implemented to
detect and correct errors.

Multipath Guard Period: An effective technique for use in high multipath environments. This feature
allows the user to incorporate a selectable delay period between data frames. This brief delay allows
time for the multipath to die down in the communication channel before sending out the next data frame.


Yes, this telesonar system does create noise, but its localized and can not be picked up by any sonar receiver more than 400 yards away.

Note- The telesonar system sends the data at low frequencies between 3 khz and 30 khz, which can easily penetrate water and/or solid rock, making this the ultimate long-range underwater communications tool.

For ultra-silent transmissions, this same principle is used when communicating via laser pulses to a satellite.

Advanced Command and Target Locating systems

The Kasatonov sports a bulbous dome behind her conning tower. The dome contains advanced sonar and radar systems along with a multi-wave transmitting system and satellite uplinks. The brand new ARC/SBRS-44 naval/submarine based radar is an advanced medium range radar. The ARC/SBRS-44 is coupled with an ALMRS/TTAC-SBS-II system which basically gives it unlimited possibilities. The ALMRS/TTAC-SBS-II system is then linked into the central ARC/CSCS-85 system. The next system is the TK/TRN-2 advanced passive/active sonar system with multi-frequency capabilities. The TK/TRN-2 is coupled to the ALMRS/TTAC-STK system which is then linked to the ARC/CSCS-85 central command system. The next system is the ALN/CD-29 advanced long range naval-based communications system which contains the following systems: ALN/RU radio system; ALN/SU satellite uplink system; ALN/CT covert/encrypted transmission device; and the ALN/LU laser information uplink which uses timed laser pulses either to a ship or to a satellite to relay information.

The central ARC/CSCS-85 command system takes all the data and organizes it into a readable, understandable, and visual database that can also receive real-time surveillance. The ARC/CSCS-85 system relays data to all major command and control facilities within the submarine and can also relay data to any other ARSB force across the globe whether it be space forces (satellites/manned stations), air forces, naval forces, or ground forces by using the ALMRS/TTAC-ASJIDS-IV system. The system can also be configured to increase inter-operability between other nations, allowing for task forces to utilize this as an information gathering and distributing system that can gather information from each national force, then distribute it again after it is processed. The ARC/CSCS-85 system can also cooperate with any defensive net using underwater microphones, airborne aircraft, satellites, or land defenses.

The final system is a towed active/passive sonar array, the TA/APA.

Survivability

The massive shell of the Kasatonov was designed to withstand many things, from impacts with other subs to a torpedo hit. With the amount of armor on her and the design of her frame, she can withstand a relatively slow moving torpedo hit very well. She can also withstand slow moving impacts with stationary or slowly moving objects (at speeds under 10 knots). To increase survivability, she incorporates an automatic bulkhead/compartment sealing system which, when a hull breech is detected, automatically locks down all compartments within three compartments of the breech. If a fire is detected on any level, the compartments in that area will be sealed as soon as crewmembers are evacuated. As soon as the compartments are sealed, the oxygen will be pulled from the room if it is a larger fire or a sprinkler system will activate (smaller fire).
To defend against torpedoes, she maintains the ARC/ATCS-04 system which can confuse a torpedo's guidance systems.
When surfaced, she maintains four CIWS defense mounts which are retractable into the sub's superstructure. The mounts are the AMS-6K advanced missile/aircraft defense mounts and operate twin KAS-91 7-barreled 30mm high-velocity/revolution cannons coupled with the advanced MLTT system which can track high-speed missiles and successfully engage them using quick-motion servos and our advanced hydraulic/pneumatic hyrbid motion equipment. When surfaced, she can also operate 48 VLS tubes filled with surface to air missiles, surface to surface missiles, cruise missiles, or even ICBMs. A central ALMRS/TTAC-FC-T2 computer allows for the targetting of naval vessels, aircraft, stationary targets, targets on land, and underwater targets (using torpedoes) and allows for the technician-weapon interface to become a reality.
To survive extreme pressures at depths reaching 1000 feet, she maintains a double hull configuration with ballast tanks between the two hulls. This also gives her a good streamlined effect underwater. A cylindrical pressure hull structure of HY-160 steel is supported by circular frames and enclosed by hemispherical heads at both ends. The pressure hull provides an enclosure large enough for weapons, crew, and equipment with enough strength to enable the ship to operate deep enough to avoid easy and moderate detection.
Also, in the event of a nuclear reactor failure or if something goes wrong and all reactions must be stopped, batteries on board the vessel can provide enough power for it to remain underwater for at least five days while still providing normal functions, although that is not recommended.
Another survivability function, if her rudder is taken out, she can still maneuver with her ESAP systems.

Another survivability funtion, ALL of her electronics are hardened against all magnetic conditions and any form of EMP, meaning she can be near the site of a nuclear detonation and no one on board will know it. She also maintains numerous NBC systems for when she's surfaced.

And the final survivability function, she has enough storage room on board to carry nearly 8 months of disposable stores (mainly food) and has a single water desalination system which can take ballast water or outside sea water, filter it/treat it, and turn it into drinking water. She also maintains two systems for recycling water already on board the vessel and has four water storage tanks.


Armament
The Kasatonov maintains four torpedo tubes and can hold up to thirty six torpedos.
The Kastanov also maintains four CIWS mounts. The mounts are the AMS-6K advanced missile/aircraft defense mounts and operate twin KAS-91 7-barreled 30mm high-velocity/revolution cannons coupled with the advanced MLTT system which can track high-speed missiles and successfully engage them using quick-motion servos and our advanced hydraulic/pneumatic hyrbid motion equipment.
She also has a 48 cell VLS system which can hold numerous munitions from anti-aircraft missiles, surface to surface missiles, cruise missiles, anti-ship missiles, or even tactical nuclear weapon-tipped cruise missiles. The VLS system can fire these underwater meaning it can actively shoot down ASW aircraft as they circle above.

Detection Systems
The Kasatonov operates towed passive/active sonar arrays, internal passive/active sonar arrays, a radar system, and a satellite uplink system which can relay target data to the Kasatonov-class using laser pulse technology and radio waves. (See the Advanced Command and Targetting systems for more information).


Design
The Kasatonov maintains four massive logistics hatches that allow sailors to rapidly transfer supply pallets, equipment replacement modules and machinery components, significantly reducing the time required for replenishment and maintenance. She also maintains a single elevator system that leads to an internal hangar which can house up to two helicopters, which can be used for ASW duties or ferrying of command personnel.

The Kasatonov design was based on that of a ballistic missile submarine but instead of vertical launch tubes, she maintains something far more deadly, command and control, the ability to coordinate massive strikes across the globe from a single vantage point. She can gather information, process it, and distribute it and commands that will bring the downfall of any enemy force. Deep inside, most likely where her ICBM launch systems would've been, she has eight advanced command and control rooms with massive advanced screens, numerous communications areas, advanced information relay systems and four command-type centers where data can be converted into orders for naval forces, air forces, and land forces alike. These facilities are state of the art and are modular, meaning some can be removed or added, or different lay-outs can be chosen.




SPECIFICATIONS


Builders: Dat' Pizdy Corporation Naval Works

Power Plant: Two reactors (One WTP-15, One WTP-6)
Cores reloaded every ten years
Four KTSK motors,
four propellers, output of 20,000 hp each

Length: 640 feet

Beam: 67 feet

Displacement: Surfaced: 24,764 tons
Submerged: 29,750 tons

Speed: 29 knots
25 knots submerged cruise speed

Operating Depth: 1140 feet

Armament: 48 VLS cells 533mm (21 in.), 4x AMS-6K CIWS systems, four 21" (?) torpedo tubes

Crew: 20 Officers, 166 Enlisted
Can accomadate up to another 90 including fleet commanders, sub- commanders, maintenance crew, helicopter crew, etc.

Duration at sea- 8 months before disposable stores must be replenished, or it could last up to ten years if she continually receives more food/goods from replenisher ships. Every ten years the Kasatonov must undergo an overhaul with reactor core change.

Unit Cost- $4 Billion USD


OOC- Is the cost right? Questions? Is it worth it? Anything.
OOC2- Thank you to Crownguard for helping me come up with the idea.
Hamanistan
23-05-2004, 07:02
occ:If this answers your question:


Hamanistan would like to purchase three of these submarines for our ever increasing naval needs.


Total=9,600,000,000
Soviet Bloc
23-05-2004, 07:04
Very well, order confirmed. They will be built and shipped over the next ten NS years.

Thank you for the order.
The Freethinkers
23-05-2004, 07:20
Aye, nice idea, we ourselves were working on something similar for our submarine taskforces...
Soviet Bloc
23-05-2004, 07:55
Bump.
Soviet Bloc
23-05-2004, 07:55
Bump.
Hogsweat
23-05-2004, 10:07
As I said on MSN, thirty please :D
Hogsweat
23-05-2004, 10:07
As I said on MSN, thirty please :D
Hogsweat
23-05-2004, 10:10
Ill take another ten for my ally.
[Stalin the raper]
Soviet Bloc
23-05-2004, 10:13
OOC- Lol. Yeah...


Initial estimates say we could finish the entire order within ten years at three subs per year. This is stating that we use four of our nine capable shipyards to build them.

One is currently devoted to filling out Hamanistan's order.


Total order cost is $120 Billion USD.
Soviet Bloc
23-05-2004, 10:15
Alright, ten more... Forty Billion USD. Two more shipyards will be devoted to that production and they should be done within seven years.
United Elias
23-05-2004, 10:20
Very Nice, a few questions though.

What size are the VLS tubes, I'm assuming 533mm to fire cruise missiles?

Also what percentage reserve boyancy are we looking at?
Soviet Bloc
23-05-2004, 10:30
Yes, the size of the VLS tubes are 533mm.

15% reserve bouyancy. I think. My calculations could've been wrong...
Burcemia
23-05-2004, 10:40
The Kingdom of Burcemia requires the following;

5 Kasatonov submarines

20 Billion USD

Thankyou for your sevices.
Soviet Bloc
23-05-2004, 10:41
Confirmed. They will be built and shipped over a five year period.
Soviet Bloc
23-05-2004, 23:37
BUMP
Kamata
23-05-2004, 23:41
Hello! I'm wondering, could these ships operate in magnetic conditions? I'm looking for submarines that will work with my new base, if I expand my capabilities to ocean as well. I would be using a linear mechanism to move it.

Also, how much speed can the hull of the ship handle? I'd like to know how fast I can push the hull with a linear tube.
Soviet Bloc
24-05-2004, 00:00
I'm thinking she could handle 70 knots... Anything past that and the conning tower (not sure if its the right term) and any superficial structures could collapse or break off... Not sure though.

She can handle most magnetic conditions including EMP as all of her electronics are hardened.
Clan Smoke Jaguar
24-05-2004, 01:30
OOC:
You're partially right with "conning tower." The raised structure on the submarine is technically known as the sail, but it does contain the conning tower, and sometimes that term is used for the whole structure. Sail is still the proper term though.
The Conning tower is where a vessel is controlled from during battle (in armored vessels, it is a protected area, as opposed to the bridge, which is not).

The horizontal fins you refer to as "canards" are known as diving planes.


I must say, this is a very interesting and original design, and I applaud your initiative and ingenuity.
I am curious as to the actual utility of the vessel. To effectively perform the the command and control mission, it is practically required to run surfaced, negating most of the advantages of being a submarine (in fact, being a submarine would give it extra liabilities here). In addition, such operations will make its location immediately known to any moderately-equipped enemy. Remember, sub captains hate to just send up a communications antenna, and despise sending a short transmission even more - doing so increases their chances of being detected astronomically. Imagine what any normal sub skipper would say if you told him he was expected to remain surfaced for hours and transmitting constantly!
Aside from armament, the only advantage this has over, say, a Blue Ridge, is its ability to possibly escape if things get too hot. Since the location of a command ship is almost certain to be known, the most effective command vessels are actually battleships, and they are likely to be the best solution there for some time. They have the durability and firepower to take on all comers, and because of the nature of the role, the lack of subtelty is no liability. Plus, battleships don't have to halt communications when dealing with attackers, as a submarine would.



As for technical bits, there are a few things;
1) Crew is a bit small for a command & control vessel.
2) 21" VLS cells cannot carry ICBMs. Nor can they carry SLBMs. In fact, even MRBMs and TBMs would be too big. You want them to fire nukes, put them in your Tomahawks.
3) If this is truly a top-of-the-line and highly advanced unit, it should be costing a bit more. Subs aren't cheap, and that's only about the cost of a high-end attack sub, which less than half the size and has a lot less equipemnt than this. No, this doesn't mean you need to double the price, but I'd look closer to 5-6 billion.
Nitro Records
24-05-2004, 01:39
OOC: What did you use to draw that? Good job.
Soviet Bloc
24-05-2004, 02:09
OOC- I knew you'd end up replying sooner or later... But, thanks for the clear-up of things... Yeah, I knew what the term was but it was on the tip of my tongue so I just put canards for the time being... Stupid, I know...




Advanced Underwater Communications System

AUC/SS-14 Telesonar Communications system


The sub can actually send and receive signals underwater, as long as they are 'bounced' from or sent by a satellite. These transmissions can be sent from depths as deep as 130 feet. The principle behind this lies with the 1 of 4 MFSK system. The 1 of 4 MFSK system uses an advanced modulation scheme which allows for high speed (up to 2400 baud) data
transmission. 1 of 4 MFSK is bandwidth efficient, fast and relatively simple to encode. This is then coupled with the Hadamard MFSK: An advanced modulation scheme used to minimize the effects of frequency
dependent fading. This scheme also allows the system to operate at a lower signal to noise ratio (SNR), by working reliably at lower transmit power levels. (Data rates drop to a maximum of 1200 bps when
utilizing Hadamard.) This allows for a slighly altered communications scheme (from the slow speed at which it travels in water), which is then read through the receiver unit and 'decoded' back into a recognizable form. To account for the bending of the radio/audio waves (resembling how light bends in water), a computer automatically sends the signal by using the Refractive Index equals the sine of the Angle of Incidence over the sine of the Angle of Refraction as a base equation. The computer automatically fills in the variables, figures out either the angle of incidence (if the signal is being received) or the angle of refraction (if the angle is being sent) by using the known refractive index. The angle of refraction is also figured out using the position of ARSB satellites by using a seperate radio transmission receiver unit that will receive transmission from satellites that will reveal their position and it will continually update. The system can also know where ARSB satellites are by utilizing an onboard computer program which knows the locations of all satellites and knows their orbits and when they'll be at a certain point at a certain time. This program is accurate to the picosecond from extensive engineering, however the sub maintains a GPS-type system to update the positions of the satellites whenever the sub is surfaced. This same system can be easily updated (by purchaser nations) by adding satellite positions, speed, and orbit. The system will then calculate their exact positions over a seven year period and will update itself over that time if any discrepancy is found. Yes, its complicated but it gives the sub a stealthiness a command ship cannot achieve.

This communications system, known as the AUC/SS-14 Telesonar system, also has three other methods for increased data reliability:

Data Redundancy: Data redundance, also referred to as frequency diversity, is a method whereby the
same data bits are transmitted two or more times in the same data frame. Therefore, reliability is
increased by transmitting the same data bits twice in a single data frame.

Convolutional Coding: An error correction technique in which a Viterbi algorithm is implemented to
detect and correct errors.

Multipath Guard Period: An effective technique for use in high multipath environments. This feature
allows the user to incorporate a selectable delay period between data frames. This brief delay allows
time for the multipath to die down in the communication channel before sending out the next data frame.


Yes, this telesonar system does create noise, but its localized and can not be picked up by any sonar receiver more than 400 yards away.

For ultra-silent transmissions, this same principle is used when communicating via laser pulses to a satellite.
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That's something else I should've added. I always end up doing this with things I think of, I'm in such a hurry to get it out there that I forget half the things I'm supposed to have in it...

Crew- I introduced a fair amount of automation to lower the amount of maintenance/operating crew (this has slightly more than what an Ohio-class SSBN/SSGN would have). The addition of command and communications crew would add another 60 staff... Maybe that is a bit small... I'll increase that to 90.

About the VLS tubes, I didn't mean ICBMs (Bad wording there...), I meant cruise missiles tipped with tactical nukes... I suppose I should edit that.

Cost, yeah, I figured $4 billion was a bit cheap.

How I drew it... MS Paint... That's how I draw everything.


EDIT: Forgot something I had to put in.
Great Mateo
24-05-2004, 02:13
OOC:

Aside from the surface running problem Jaguar mentioned, another problem he mentioned that you're still going to have is the ease with which the ship can be pinpointed. Even if your transmission is encoded so the enemy can't decipher it, they'll still be able to pick it up and instantly pinpoint the location of the sub. ASROCs, Mk. 48s and ASW choppers galore, anyone? You're going to see an enormous amount of these ships lost since they'll constantly be near the surface, constantly be broadcasting their position, and their size limits their maneuverability.
Soviet Bloc
24-05-2004, 02:30
OOC- Not the laser pulse transmissions... (Forgot to add that too, dammit, see my problem?) Normal mode of communications would be the radio system but when the situation gets hot, she can resort to a laser pulse transmission which can not be pinpointed... At least I don't think.

Otherwise, these things aren't too bad in the maneuvaribility department, especially for their size. She's probably a bit more maneuvarable than what you'd get out of an Ohio-class SSBN/SSGN.
Kamata
24-05-2004, 02:51
I would like to purchase 10 of these, $40 billion total.

*Money Wired*

If you need any of my docks to build my order, please telegram me. I'd be more than happy to allow you to use them!
Soviet Bloc
24-05-2004, 02:58
OOC- You're way too young to order that many... Just one is pushing it.
Al-Sabir
12-09-2004, 16:00
To: The Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc
From: Gal Sharif, Secretary of Defense, The Arab Republic of Al-Sabir
Subject: "Kasatonov"

Dear Sir/Madam,

After lengthy reviews by DPRB of both this wonderful submarine as our own Fleet C2 capabilities, we have found the Kasatonov Command and Control Submarine to fulfill all of our requirements and we would like the acquire eight of these excellent machines to coordinate strikes of our own Submarine Shore Bombardment Squadrons, which employ six Kasatonov SSGN/SSBN hybrids each, the cousing of this C2 variant.

Monetary funds, a total of $32 billion USD, shall be transferred to your account in batches of $3.2 billion USD, over a total period of ten months.

Regards,

Gal Sharif
Secretary of Defense Procurement
The Arab republic of Al-Sabir
Soviet Bloc
13-09-2004, 23:43
Mr. Gal Sharif,

Your order for these vessels has been accepted. Both Kasatanov-type vessels (the Kasatanov SSBN/SSGN is based off of this design), share many parts and would work beautifully together to coordinate and fulfill strikes against targets. Your payment plan has also been accepted. The eight vessels will take between six and eight years to complete. We will also, free of charge, include the same coolant system as the SSBN/SSGN variant on this vessel. We thank you for the order.

Alexiy Ruzketsov
Minister of Foreign Affairs [Relayed from Dat' Pizdy (and other corporations) secretaries due to the sale of sensitive equipment]
Armed Republic of Soviet Bloc