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Are you a person who values world peace?

Rotovia
16-05-2004, 13:37
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If you value peace and global stability and wish wish to maintain these luxuries for yourself and those you love then I can upon you to take steps to assure that war does not come to your doorstep.

Many of you will ask but how can I make a difference, and I will tell you simply by remaining observant. Watch for activities that are suspicous, whether by strangers, your neighbours or even your own government.

History has proven that by simply being observant many catastrophies could have been avoided, and now you have a chance to stop future inicidents at your own doorstep.

This will be done simply by joining the Watchers a loose international group of concerned citizens of many different nations who value world peace and stability. When you join we will send you a small informational pack and information on meeting with other Watchers .

The information you provide could mean the difference between life and death for million, even billions. If you feel that you are capable of simply keeping and open eye and meeting with fellow cicitzens of your nation to ensure peace and stability are maintained on a global scale then this may be for you.

Should you value peace, stability and the lives of those you than you can make a freecall to 1800-PEACE and we will inform will send you out a breif panflet on the Watchers
Rotovia
16-05-2004, 14:01
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Rotovia
17-05-2004, 08:36
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Xaniqall
17-05-2004, 08:49
This sounds very big brother-watch for thoughcrime-esque. The people of Xaniqall see no need for such initiative. And besides, they actively support revolutionary violence.
Rotovia
17-05-2004, 08:52
This sounds very big brother-watch for thoughcrime-esque. The people of Xaniqall see no need for such initiative. And besides, they actively support revolutionary violence."There is by no means a requirement for any kind of Big Borther initiative, however by average people around thw world pooling their everydayvigilence we can stop problems before they arise"

Whatchers
Xaniqall
17-05-2004, 09:00
Problems are relative. I don't think establishing an initiative for citizens to narc on each other benefits anyone.
Rotovia
17-05-2004, 09:52
Problems are relative. I don't think establishing an initiative for citizens to narc on each other benefits anyone. "We do not ecourage anyone to nark on each other but rather to remain vigilant and aware of the events around, and should something be out of the ordinary then report them as nessacary"

Whatchers
Xaniqall
17-05-2004, 09:59
What exactly is out of the ordinary? This encourages people to be paranoid, and they will began to see "out of the ordinary" things that aren't there. We can also guarentee this will foster resentment, as everyone begins to report suspicious activities by those of other races, ie anyone with brown skin in mostly white nations.
Falastur
17-05-2004, 10:18
I agree. Plus, this may be condemning millions of people worldwide to long jail sentences if Governments ban this. Governments don't tend to like their own citizens wait for them to make a mistake, and then call an external source to report it, you know....
Rotovia
17-05-2004, 10:20
I agree. Plus, this may be condemning millions of people worldwide to long jail sentences if Governments ban this. Governments don't tend to like their own citizens wait for them to make a mistake, and then call an external source to report it, you know...."If a Government slips up they should be held accountable"

Whatchers
Falastur
17-05-2004, 10:30
Even your own Government, who presumably set up this scheme? Every Government will make a mistake or two. But why should it be forced to come under scrutiny every second of its existence, incase it does make a mistake? Besides, Governments for the most part don't deserve to be held accountable for their smaller mistakes. But it seems you are hinting that the slightest screw up will mean that the Watchers will be on to them, whatever they do....
Dr_Twist
17-05-2004, 10:33
This so called Organization will not be allowed to Watch over Dr_Twist or RBA affairs if it Attempts to they will be removed from the Nation, and if they attempt to Forcefully Monitor Dr_Twist or RBA governments we would have no Choice to Declare war.

Dr_Twist, Leader RBA.
Macisikan
17-05-2004, 10:40
Press Release
"While His Holy Majesty's Government has some reservations about this organisation, we are constrained by the Third Edict of Arn-Kasard guaranteeing freedom of association and freedom of speech. Therefore we will not suppress either this organisation, its activities, and/or information distributed by this organisation.

However, if the activities of this organisation, and/or the information distributed or collected by this organisation is judged in any way to be encouraging sedition or treason, and/or is a cause and/or act thereof, in the Empire, its colonies and/or dominions, the organisation will be declared criminal.

And we will respond accordingly."

-Reuters
Rotovia
17-05-2004, 10:42
This so called Organization will not be allowed to Watch over Dr_Twist or RBA affairs if it Attempts to they will be removed from the Nation, and if they attempt to Forcefully Monitor Dr_Twist or RBA governments we would have no Choice to Declare war.

Dr_Twist, Leader RBA.
"The Watchers are merely and extension of a NieghbourHood Wacth scheme set on an international stage, while we will not force anyone person to join our cause or insert person's into your nation. We will not discourage any person from Dr_Twist or the RBA from joing the Whatchers"

Whatchers
Tarqys
17-05-2004, 10:44
Rotovia,

Though your aims are lofty and true, the only thing the Tarqysian people need to be vigilant over is the constant beauty around them in the form of the populous, nature and technology. We feel if one is always watching and never doing it is likely to create a very fearful and passive populous. Perhaps it should be called Thinkers? Watchin blindly without any direction amounts to traveling without compass. It is adventurous but can be deadly.

We welcome your comments. Together we will watch each other grow through our discussion.

Julio Del Feugo, Jr.
Director of Information
Commonwealth of Tarqys
Falastur
17-05-2004, 10:48
"The Watchers are merely and extension of a NieghbourHood Wacth scheme set on an international stage

Yes, but Neighbourhood Watch does not monitor its Government....

In the way this group acts, it is actually set up like the Gestapo or the Ohkrana, from what I can see.....the only difference is that I assume those targetted by this group will not be taken from their houses at night, never to be seen again...
Rotovia
17-05-2004, 11:23
"The Watchers are merely and extension of a NieghbourHood Wacth scheme set on an international stage

Yes, but Neighbourhood Watch does not monitor its Government....

In the way this group acts, it is actually set up like the Gestapo or the Ohkrana, from what I can see.....the only difference is that I assume those targetted by this group will not be taken from their houses at night, never to be seen again...
"The Watchers goal is to be observant of threats wherever they may be, may I inquire as to why this so concerns your government?"

Watchers
Doujin
17-05-2004, 11:27
In a move supported by over 80% of the population, the group "Whatchers" and all ads and publications are banned by a direct vote from the populace of Doujin. In a quote from a random voter, "We do not need people to influence the citizen's of Doujin in a way to make them suspicious of the entire country and the government. Next thing you know we have conspiracy theory orgnizations starting up, spouting conspiracies about the government that aren't even true. This is just a way to feed propoganda to nation's citizens."
Iuthia
17-05-2004, 11:56
In truth most nations will not reckognise such an organisation, which is probably for the best we suppose as such organisations can become subject to corruption and infiltration.

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Dyelli Beybi
17-05-2004, 12:34
The majority of pamphlets were intercepted by the Cheka en-route to Dyelli Beybi and dumped at Sea, while all electronic transmitions were stopped from reaching the population. However, as efficient as the secret police were, a few isolated leaflets found their way into the country where they were met with cynicism, although a pamphlet was printed within Dyelli Beybi accusing the Government of "Ethnic cleansing", "Unprovoked attacks on Benjian citizens" and "Genocide on an unparalleled scale".

It's author found herself on trial for treason three days later.
Nova Hope
17-05-2004, 15:12
This looks to me like a new ploy to get operatives within a country. The people will slowly begin to be overly critical of the government and we believe that this agency will begin to ask for more specific information and then we will have to start trying it's members for espionage. As it stands though our people's right to associtae freely takes paramount and as such we have not impeded the growth of this organization. However we must point out to you that some chapters of your Watchers have begun arming themselves and now are a security concern.

Marion Fosheemy - Prime Minister
Craggtopia
17-05-2004, 15:59
An overweight man enters smoking a large cigar
Ha Ha Ha! I am Jack leader of the Craggtopians, we do not appreciate your organisation wiring government buildings and spying on us. If we want to kill every first born it is not up to you to stop us. We raided a Watcher meeting and now their heads are hanging on my hunting wall. If they continue to snoop around we will have to take violent and bloody action against them, which personally, me and the boys are quite looking forward to.
:D :D :D
Rotovia
18-05-2004, 03:20
This looks to me like a new ploy to get operatives within a country. The people will slowly begin to be overly critical of the government and we believe that this agency will begin to ask for more specific information and then we will have to start trying it's members for espionage. As it stands though our people's right to associtae freely takes paramount and as such we have not impeded the growth of this organization. However we must point out to you that some chapters of your Watchers have begun arming themselves and now are a security concern.

Marion Fosheemy - Prime Minister
"We do not encourage the use of firearms or any militant activity, members of the Watchers are encouraged to act within the bounds of the law and act as responsable, concerned citizens"

Watchers
Tarqys
18-05-2004, 03:41
Rotovia,

What law will they be acting in the bounds of? We sincerely think a group of philosophs would be easier to push than a group of individuals who play watch-dog. Teaching tolerance in our schools and providing a wide-range of curriculum (i.e., we teach Adam Smith, Karl Marx, Nieztche, all in early high school years) will be more beneficial than 'watching' the government and will increase their ability to reason and prove the government 'right' or 'wrong,' unless they are post-modern (OOC, like me :) ).

These are the Tarqysian $0.02. Please take from it what you may.

Happy trails,

C Edward Adams
Director of Tarqys
Commonwealth of Tarqys
Nova Hope
18-05-2004, 04:32
This looks to me like a new ploy to get operatives within a country. The people will slowly begin to be overly critical of the government and we believe that this agency will begin to ask for more specific information and then we will have to start trying it's members for espionage. As it stands though our people's right to associtae freely takes paramount and as such we have not impeded the growth of this organization. However we must point out to you that some chapters of your Watchers have begun arming themselves and now are a security concern.

Marion Fosheemy - Prime Minister
"We do not encourage the use of firearms or any militant activity, members of the Watchers are encouraged to act within the bounds of the law and act as responsable, concerned citizens"

Watchers

We appreciate the offical statement and we have relayed it to the few chapters in question however it seems that 'watching' the government apeals to a certain kind of person more feverently then others. Because of these select few group we are considering placing this organization under the offical listing of 'criminal organization' where we will revoke the freedom of association under the clause of reasonable limitation.
Rotovia
19-05-2004, 08:12
Rotovia,

What law will they be acting in the bounds of? We sincerely think a group of philosophs would be easier to push than a group of individuals who play watch-dog. Teaching tolerance in our schools and providing a wide-range of curriculum (i.e., we teach Adam Smith, Karl Marx, Nieztche, all in early high school years) will be more beneficial than 'watching' the government and will increase their ability to reason and prove the government 'right' or 'wrong,' unless they are post-modern (OOC, like me :) ).

These are the Tarqysian $0.02. Please take from it what you may.

Happy trails,

C Edward Adams
Director of Tarqys
Commonwealth of Tarqys
"As we encourage membership from responsable and caring citizens, it is expected they apbide by the laws of the nation they fidn themselves in"

Watchers
Macisikan
19-05-2004, 10:10
You are watching MNB news

"An official of the government was arrested today on charges of High Treason after he was discovered attempting to pass on confidential information to the Rotovian-based organisation "Watchers".

A spokesman for the Attorney-General stated that "The individual attempted to report of the movements of Sir Jasper Naldak, Secretary of State for Special Military matters. Sir Jasper's movements are classified due to his position in relation to the Imperial Military and his activities in militarily sensitive locations".

We now cross to the Houses of Parliament, where a parliamentary spokesperson is delivering the official government response.

[camera cuts to a man in a severe-looking suit]

"At four p.m. today, Arn-Macisika time, the House of Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and the House of Deputies, did declare the organisation "Watchers" to be illegal in the Empire, its colonies and dominions. His Holy Majesty has just signed the bill into law.

Membership of, or the aiding in any way, this organisation are now classified as acts of High Treason. All persons who are members of this organisation in Macisikan are now guilty of treason against the Crown. Any foreigner who is a member of this organisation and is in the Empire, its colonies and dominions, is guilty of Subversion Against the Empire, and will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law."

[camera cuts back to the newsman]

"Several other persons have been arrested in connection with these events, and rumours abound that one of them will face an ecclesiastical court for his or her actions."
Rotovia
19-05-2004, 10:14
"I must protest this gross violation of freedom of association and the banning of an entire peaceful organisation an act of brutality clearly indicative of a government with something to hide"

Watchers
Macisikan
19-05-2004, 12:20
You are watching MNB News

"Following and international protest today, the First Minister published the government's reasoning behind the banning of the Rotovian-based NGO "Watchers".

The First Minister reacted angrily to accusations that the prohibition is "an act of brutality", stating that several other governments have also banned the organisation, and that the prohibition is not a violation of human rights, as the organisation has endangered the safety and security of the Empire.

A spokeswoman for the First Minister said that the Empire had stated that if a member of the organisation committed a treasonous act then the entire organisation would be banned. A member of the organisation, a high government official in the Secretariat of Food and Agriculture, was caught in a secure military location, spying on the movements of Sir Jasper Naldak, Secretary of State for Special Military Matters.

The official is now facing several charges of High Treason, including attempting to pass information on Sir Jasper to the Watchers.

Eight other people have since been arrested by the secular authorities in connection with this affair, and more are expected to follow."

"A man and a woman were arrested by the Temple Guard in Cardinals' Hall in the Holy City late this afternoon. Church officials have confirmed that neither person was ordained. They have both confessed to be members of the watchers. The couple have been charged with trespass and are facing possible charges of treason.

It is likely that the Synod will change the Canon Law to proscribe this organisation, making membership an act of Heresy.

A spokesman for the Synod has confirmed the First Minister's assertion that the banning of the organisation was not in breach of the Right of Freedom of Association and Speech as codified in the Edict of the Third Diet of Arn-Kasard.

The Attorney-General's office has confirmed that no foreigners have been arrested in relation to this matter."
Craggtopia
19-05-2004, 16:57
We would appreciate it if you were to disband your 'Watchers' and stop them from entering our great nations. Armed forces have been sent to break up these meetings and we have killed 72already. We have not patience for them. We do not want them! Those who surrendered have been tortured and killed. We tell you this to discourage the potential watchers. This organisation has also fired up hatred from the loyal Craggtoipian's toward the Rotvian people and the government has been.....unable, to prevent the killing of Rotvians. Just last week a Rotvian family house was burnt down killing all inside. You have created much bad blood between the two nations and your people have been suffering, and will continue to suffer while the Watchers continue to cause suspicion.

Supreme Leader, Jack of the Craggtopians
Rotovia
20-05-2004, 11:02
We would appreciate it if you were to disband your 'Watchers' and stop them from entering our great nations. Armed forces have been sent to break up these meetings and we have killed 72already. We have not patience for them. We do not want them! Those who surrendered have been tortured and killed. We tell you this to discourage the potential watchers. This organisation has also fired up hatred from the loyal Craggtoipian's toward the Rotvian people and the government has been.....unable, to prevent the killing of Rotvians. Just last week a Rotvian family house was burnt down killing all inside. You have created much bad blood between the two nations and your people have been suffering, and will continue to suffer while the Watchers continue to cause suspicion.

Supreme Leader, Jack of the Craggtopians"The Killing of Rotovian Citizens will not be tolerated and may reulst in military action. Your nation has made a grave mistake"

Senator Thomas Rothfeild
Shadow Minister for National Defence
Craggtopia
20-05-2004, 20:29
We do not want to start a war but under our laws the Watchers are conspirators against the government and we take these violations very seriously. Our scarce police force has had to struggle to keep Craggtopia in control and your watchers have caused some racially fuelled crimes and so many police chiefs have, using their own judgement, made Rotvian cases a low priority. There is little I can do as leader to stop this. I can not alter laws just because criminals are backed up by a large nation. The only possible way t stop this violence is to disband the watchers in Craggtopia.