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MIG-25 (thats what your using right?)

Ceiling: 67,900 feet
Max Speed: 1,865 mph

Sidewinder MIssile:
Topspeed: Mach 2.5

My Bombers;
Ceiling: 130,000 ft
Top Speed: Mach 5.2

Ok so take the two, divide by one, carry the zero..

Casualties: 0

What about to the SAM and AAA and shoulder mounted stuff we fired at you... You think you lost 0 because you have some star trek stuff? We'll see what you lose later... You'll get yours...

a shoulder mounted missile has a range of only 20,000 feet at most

Do not make me bring out the anti satellite rockets. We can hit your planes with them from the ground.

Speed- Mach 7.0
Ceiling-Unkown, can travel into space.

you never RPed the deployment of them in FWS, without that you can't use them

Thank you IDF!

Missiles travel at about 2.5 times the speed of sound, half of what these planes are going, I can show you a link to the idea behind it! (its being researched by the U.S. as we speak!)

And anti-sat don't mean they fast, just mean they got alot more fuel on them.

Combined with a bit more thrust and modified to take more fuel you can get speed outta them, they are almost 30 feet long and are designed to travel at high speeds to attack weapons like yours but there are only a few (20) in FWS.

That low of number if anything you knock down 10 tops and maybe injured a few more.

That low of number if anything you knock down 10 tops and maybe injured a few more.

Sadly that is true. Plus they are all around my troops or my temporary bases so sadly everything else is open.

So FWS can I just assume I struck a crippling blow to your command structure as well as war production capabilities?

So FWS can I just assume I struck a crippling blow to your command structure as well as war production capabilities?

You can assume you did the damage I posted...

Our command structure operates in underground bunkers... Our war production can also be moved largely underground and into the forrests etc... As it is being done... You did hit the oil mostly.. The one thing we can't move.


10% of oil production is lost... Part of the pipeline helping to feed the coastal fires is down... Only 10 miles of coastline near luderitz (where corridor is already) is shut down...

SAM missiles hit 4 of your bombers as they are fleeing...

3 bridges in White Western Province are damaged. 1 beyond use until repair... Who cares about White western province... It is not key to the conflict.. Reserve units deploying to the coast are taking alternate routes that will add 1.5 hours to their time to reach coast.

Also say you completely wiped out 2 reserve regiments as they were moving towards the coast.

So FWS can I just assume I struck a crippling blow to your command structure as well as war production capabilities?


Sorry ole boy, our generals and other important people are all in bunkers, deep deep bunkers... You did however kill 2 generals who were partying in a hotel bar... That is along with entire hotel and all 2,000 guests.

You also damaged the Central Bank of Rhodes City. The stock exchance is damaged and will require major repairs... You also destroyed parliament building which doesn't matter because parliament does nothing but praise the president and presdent him petitions from the provinces.

Oh, in your attempt to take out President Donald Rhodes, you managed to kill 20,000 people in Rhodes city. They were school children gathering for religious mass in the cathedral right across from the Presidential Residence in Rhodes City...

We are outraged.

Magdhan units report 5 definite kills with 7 missile uses. We are deploying more and condemn the attack on civillians.

http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/17142/FWS.JPG


THANK ROTOVIA WE HAVE A MAP FOR MY NATION!!!


However the map was commissioned a while ago and doesn't include Northern Province or the Victorian river... But it is a damn fine job :)

OOC: And since I'm sure I was not the only one confused by how FWS actually looks. I present my masterpeice, the patented and FWS approved MS Paint: Map of Facist White States.

http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/17142/FWS.JPG

Can you do me one of those?

We own India, all the way to the Indus, Kashmir, Nepal, Burma, and Sri Lanka.

Can you do me one of those?

We own India, all the way to the Indus, Kashmir, Nepal, Burma, and Sri Lanka.Sure, why not. I'll need a couple city names, including a capital. And if you want states you have tell me.

Can you do me one of those?

We own India, all the way to the Indus, Kashmir, Nepal, Burma, and Sri Lanka.Sure, why not. I'll need a couple city names, including a capital. And if you want states you have tell me.

Major Cities:
Ayodhya-Capital
Varansi
Hyderabad

I Am going to sleep... I am placing my army under Magdha's command until I return... Try to stick to the plans you see that we have laid out (keep sith surrounded on border)... You can also take temporary command of my 45 nuclear artillery shells and the 625,000 lbs of VX i just received (it has been 2 hours since I got the word they were on the way, so they are here now).

Also I have a few tons each of
Crop Blight
Ricin
Botunlium (If put in water supply, 1 gallon could kill 1/2 of california)
Anthrax
Sarin
Mustard
Phosgene
Chlorine
Soman (sticks around a lot longer than VX... But not as lethal)
Tabun (sticks around longer, much less lethal)


All nerve agents will kill you, it's just a matter of how long... Soman and Tabun might take a few moments. VX is 6-10 seconds. Sarin is usually less than 30 seconds.


Keep the land oil fires burning bright... Keep the smoke going... Air operations over the FWS are nearly impossible to conduct with any real accuracy... It is all "Drop and hope you hit something other than a field or a pond of ducks."

In A Few Rich People's case, he hit several commercial farms and killed a few farmers (Aged 60-80). He also killed 20,000 school children, 2 generals, 2,000 hotel guest civilians, 5,000 workers... He is a butcher.

OOC: I'll be about ten more minutes.

Can you do me one of those?

We own India, all the way to the Indus, Kashmir, Nepal, Burma, and Sri Lanka.Sure, why not. I'll need a couple city names, including a capital. And if you want states you have tell me.

Major Cities:
Ayodhya-Capital
Varansi
Hyderabad
How's This:

http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/17142/Magdha.JPG

It's just a rough draft, because you didn't give me much to go on.

We will support Unified Sith Against Fascist White States. For this unprovoked action, we hereby declare a state of war between Fascist White States and Hogsweat.

Tah-Kevo
Political Minister
For the Union of Freeborn Republics
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40077000/jpg/_40077249_china_hu_ap.jpg

OOC: I'm sorry FWS, but your fledgling nation cannot afford all of that military hardware. You should figure out your GDP, most people use the pipian one here ...

http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=fascist%20white%20states&defenseprovided=1&defense=20&militarybudget=1
(other nations just fill in your name in place of fws in the URL)

You only have a military budget of 6 billion which isn't that much. Also, there should be proof on the forum that you purchased weapons. Second, you must be at least 100 mil population to have nuclear weapons. Even if someone gave them to you, you would have to have the facilities and afford the upkeep.

You guys can also use this calculator if you both don't have militaries purchased through storefronts in the forum...
http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/warcalc.php?attacker=fascist%20white%20states&defender=unified%20sith&popspeca
(Just enter attacker and defender in the URL).

Now you can do or say what you want but most people will just IGNORE you and call you a nOOb. Personally, I don't care. I'm just trying to help you and other nations who might read this make NationStates a little better.


We've made a killing dealing in uranium for one.. Also allies, they have lots of money... And when you have good allies, they send you some when you need it... My allies are better than good... They are damn good... Also I make a killing selling all sorts of things, trade, etc... I spend lots more than 20% on armed forces.

My total Land borders equal 6,669 km... I think since only 1,376 km are with Unified Sith that we should make a massive wall of bunkers.. It will cover the entire length of the land border with Sith.


This will be a massive undertaking that will certainly exceed the limited resources of the FWS... We will need allied powers help to build this.


Already the Victoria River is all along the border... So the bunkers can be along the River on the FWS side of course...

I want deep bunkers for command and control, above ground for machine guns, artillery, SAMS, radars, etc... Basically a Maginot Line, execpt this will cover all the border... It will link with the walls and bunkers aleady being built to the south and east... No section of border can be left weaker than another.

We will support Unified Sith Against Fascist White States. For this unprovoked action, we hereby declare a state of war between Fascist White States and Hogsweat.

Tah-Kevo
Political Minister
For the Union of Freeborn Republics
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40077000/jpg/_40077249_china_hu_ap.jpg

OOC: Hogsweat, note that my government had an 'election' and is now of the National Socialist Persuasion. The history of this is Here (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=145624)

IC: We ask that Hogsweat cease the deployment of troops at once, FWS was only trying to help an ally. An ally who stabbed their nation in the back. We don't wish for our two great nations to fight, but we will defend the FWS people with all our might if we must.

LOL!
I go for a few hours and this is what happens!!
How the F*ck is FWS bigger than unified Sith?!
Since everybody is godmodding to low hell, I now ready the Jordaxian airforce.
Take it up with the guy who insta deployed 2 million men, 50,000 tanks, 14,000 (?) aircraft through my blockade, and through the air?
How many years would that take? Especially considering to have armed forces that size you can't have Jack Sh*t logistics. So I assume you have
no fuel.
No ammo
No way to get them to FWS.
Total that up, and I think you find that what you have is quite impossible.

So in return, I deploy this.

The airforce. you wanna Godmod? Do it with something you actually bought.

COMBAT/PATROL AIRCRAFT
240xF/A-22CSJ (180 PAA, 60 reserve/trainer)
576xF-23CSJ (432 PAA, 144 reserve/trainer)
816xF-15SJ (612 PAA, 204 reserve/trainer)
540xF-14SJ (360 PAA, 180 reserve/trainer)
1488xF-16SJ (1116 PAA, 372 reserve/trainer)
1440xF-35A (1080 PAA, 360 reserve/trainer)
1848xF-35B (1512 PAA, 336 reserve/trainer)
1320xF-35C (1080 PAA, 240 reserve/trainer)
1320xF/A-18SJ (1080 PAA, 240 reserve/trainer)
288xA-12C (216 PAA, 72 reserve/trainer)
552xA-114 (414 PAA, 138 reserve/trainer
88xMB-52I (48 PAA, 20 reserve/trainer)
242xB-1B (132 PAA, 110 reserve/trainer)
36xAC-130U
240xS-3SJ
288xP-7A
Total Combat/Patrol: 11,322 (8846 PAA, 2476 reserve/trainer)

COMBAT SUPPORT AIRCRAFT
138xE-767
120xE-2C
102xE-8C
348xEA-18G
216xKC-10A
240xKC-767
120xKA-18SJ
52xEC-130J Compass Call
48xEC-130J Commando Solo
54xRC-135V/W Rivet Joint
36xRC-135S Cobra Ball
60xES-3SJ
Total Combat Support: 1534

TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT
192xC-5B
192xC-17A
576xC-130J-30
320xC-130J
60xC-2A
Total Transport: 1340

TOTAL AIRCRAFT: 14,196
Total Aircrew: 40,282


Additions.
Raysian wares.
800 RF/A-X7
150 RF-X8
160 RB-225-800 Megafortress bombers.
500 RT-2007
5 RC-225 (command and control aircraft)
7 RT-1907 (lesser C&C capability, in return for scout+spy aircraft)

Phoenixius stuff.
100 PX-502 bomber (unmanned)
200 PX-504 fighter (unmanned)
50 PX-503 security drone (unmanned)

So there.

OOC: Jordaxia, if you are referring to me let me explain a few things.
I will need approximately twelve large waves to get all my troops and equipment over to FWS. Currently, two of them made it to the FWS coast while your navy was playing with Shildonia. The third one is inbound, hoping to sneak through any cracks in your blockade. It will take approximately 12 waves over 4-5 months to fully deploy our forces. I never said that I could deploy all my forces in one go. It would be quite impossible.

I have next to no navy. I pour money into my air forces. Especially my air transport corps. So inlieu of naval transports, I use large aerial transports similar to the Galaxy. I have lots and lots of these. As I said, my navy suffers, but I don't concern myself with naval matters.

Most of my tanks are automated to some extent, similar to how UAVs are automated today. My tanks are also smaller and lighter than a conventional MBT.

My turbofan hovertanks have been left out of this engagement despite the fact that they are modern tech. (To avoid pure modern nations complaining)

I only have plans to deploy 3,500 aircraft, and only 2000 of those are fighters. The rest are attack helicopters.

I have plans to deploy 6000 tanks. For me, that isn't a lot of tanks.

I'm planning to deploy roughly 1,500,000 men. About 1,252,000 of those are fighting men. The rest (A little less than 250,000) are support.

Supplies are deployed in tandem with the troops. That's how I operate. Sure it cuts the amount of troops I can deploy at once, but it ensures that each wave has enough supplies to last until the next wave arrives.

no no. Not you. the other one. Power and something.
Edit. Power and war. That n00b.

Oh okay. Never mind then. :)

Peace with Fascist White States has come. We have discussed the terms, and peace is now the most benefitable term for both sides.

Oh, in reference to Maghda saying he expected my attack.
I wasn't. Can he see the future? That is why the attack was ignored by me. He miraculously had planes in the area to destroy an attack that I, the person who launched it, hadn't expected. The attack that I launched was a fake, a clever ruse. I wanted to see what happened if I godmodded an attack.

What are the terms Hogsweat?
Bearing in mind that peace terms between me and Shildonia need to be negotiated, or I'll have no choice but to pacify those carrier fleets.

millitary, construction, and fuel intalations mostly

I didn't say anything about civilain structures, and contruction means for the war effort (like a tank plan or a munition stock pile).

To Rotovia: Thats very good.

Id like a few states, and these cities too if thats ok....

Agra
Kolkata
Nagpur
Rangoon (in Burma)

Oh, in reference to Maghda saying he expected my attack.
I wasn't. Can he see the future? That is why the attack was ignored by me. He miraculously had planes in the area to destroy an attack that I, the person who launched it, hadn't expected. The attack that I launched was a fake, a clever ruse. I wanted to see what happened if I godmodded an attack.

What are the terms Hogsweat?
Bearing in mind that peace terms between me and Shildonia need to be negotiated, or I'll have no choice but to pacify those carrier fleets.

Quite simple, we had expected an amphibious landing of some sort on FWS shores. We are constantly patrolling to hit Landing vessels and bombardment ships with everything we have.

It doesn't matter, as the attack never really took place anyway.
I've said that a few times now.
But once again, how do you constantly patrol his coastline with sufficient planes to be there at all times. it is a huge coastline after all, if you look at the maps. Perhaps when the Grand Fleet deals with Shildonia (unless of course, immediate reparations are payed) it will deal with your pretense at power. Also, it may have escaped many peoples notice, but the Grand fleet has tens of logistics ships within its fleetiness. Taking out the supply lines will have an effect after we go through all of the logistical supplies aboard, which has been taken care of when we were at Sargoth.

It doesn't matter, as the attack never really took place anyway.
I've said that a few times now.
But once again, how do you constantly patrol his coastline with sufficient planes to be there at all times. it is a huge coastline after all, if you look at the maps. Perhaps when the Grand Fleet deals with Shildonia (unless of course, immediate reparations are payed) it will deal with your pretense at power. Also, it may have escaped many peoples notice, but the Grand fleet has tens of logistics ships within its fleetiness. Taking out the supply lines will have an effect after we go through all of the logistical supplies aboard, which has been taken care of when we were at Sargoth.

Look, I don't really want war with you but I can destroy anyone in my territorial waters with a highly advanced SSM battery system. They can fire within 1 minute of contact and can hit those little coward raiding ships.
The Magdhan army also far outnumbers yours. And we have a navy that, although probably not as big as yours, will protect Magdha.

all troops are pulling back to the border for undisclosed reasons.

Actually, check the stats of my coward little raider ships. You'll find they outsize destroyers.

Tartaros WIG Battleship

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/wigship2.jpg


Function: WIG Battleship
Powerplant: Nuclear reactor
Propulsion: 20x jet engines
Crew: 120
Length: 350m
Height: 25m
Wingspan: 200m
Draft: 15m
Empty Weight: 30,000 tons
Cruise height: 5m
Max Speed (cruise): 400 mph
Range: 10,000 km
Armament:
4x 17" Gun turrets - 50cal, SCRAMjet enhanced
6x 40mm Metal Storm
4x Torpedo tubes w/24x SEASLAM Supercavitating torpedoes
2x Goalkeeper missile defence
4x Evolved Sea Sparrow Quad Pack Mk41 VLS Cells (16 missiles)
Combat Systems:
1x PAAPR
1x CACS v3.0
1x PDCM
1x Brother system 1x AN/SQS-53C Hull Mounted SONAR


Ahem. To coin a phrase from first person shooter players the world over
"eat it."

Also, who needs an army? I've not said I'd invade you, just teach you the meaning of power. Doubtless there are those far beyond me who could really teach me a lesson, but they don't include you.

Actually, check the stats of my coward little raider ships. You'll find they outsize destroyers.

Tartaros WIG Battleship

http://www.bateshome.com/jordan/wigship2.jpg


Function: WIG Battleship
Powerplant: Nuclear reactor
Propulsion: 20x jet engines
Crew: 120
Length: 350m
Height: 25m
Wingspan: 200m
Draft: 15m
Empty Weight: 30,000 tons
Cruise height: 5m
Max Speed (cruise): 400 mph
Range: 10,000 km
Armament:
4x 17" Gun turrets - 50cal, SCRAMjet enhanced
6x 40mm Metal Storm
4x Torpedo tubes w/24x SEASLAM Supercavitating torpedoes
2x Goalkeeper missile defence
4x Evolved Sea Sparrow Quad Pack Mk41 VLS Cells (16 missiles)
Combat Systems:
1x PAAPR
1x CACS v3.0
1x PDCM
1x Brother system 1x AN/SQS-53C Hull Mounted SONAR


Ahem. To coin a phrase from first person shooter players the world over
"eat it."

Also, who needs an army? I've not said I'd invade you, just teach you the meaning of power. Doubtless there are those far beyond me who could really teach me a lesson, but they don't include you.

OCC: But they do include me and the RBA.

The RBA is presently investigating the situation at hand and is discussing possible intervention in this war.

Dr_Twist, Leader RBA.

No doubt. But I would find it hard to believe that a communist organisation would aid Fascists in their attempt to destroy communism.
I don't just invade people to expand. I've never done that before, and I won't now, but if he keeps on acting the same way towards me, I can't exactly be held responsible when his navy is evaporated, can I?
(OOC: It's more an empty threat than anything else. Everybody else is flinging them around, and I wanted some of the fun. :) )

Inlight of the insignificent damage done by the first bombing raid the pilots are given 10 hours of R and R before the next sortie.

Now instead of their former 10,000 they have been reduced to 9,987. But despite this they once again prepare for launch, this time loaded with incinderary bombs (napalm and the like).

Their target, production facilites, farmland, and millitary bases. (Note: this napalm's chemical formula allow it to burn at 1700 degree celcius, higher than DU or steels melting point,)

Once again in the air, streaking across the atomosphere at 125,000 ft at an average speed of mach 5.1

Tell me how I would be unable to attack every port. It's not like they're invisible. Satellites can see them. Most of them would be on maps. Ports require infrastructure - warehouses, fuel dumps (or is your merchant navy nuclear powered as well?) etc. Most of those would be burnt down, and even if they weren't the people working there would burn to death, or be asphyxiated, meaning there's noone to work on the ships.

----

An air raid is launched against the port facilities on Sargoth. Four Vulcans are sent against each port, each carrying 20 CALCMs with 250lb FAE warheads.
10 Vampire stealth bombers carrying 80 500lb GPS guided bombs are sent to attack TV stations, telephone exchanges, and C3I facilities (Command, Control, Communications, Intelligence). Eight Vampires equipped with Tacit Rainbows are included in the strike package to destroy any radars that might switch on.
Two Venona-class supersonic bombers are sent to hit each of the remaining ports using forty 2000lb bombs each, followed by another two Venonas carrying 45 CBU-75 cluster bombs to hamper the repairs. All the raids take place at low altitude.
The Jordaxian Grand Fleet is subjected to a massive aerial assault. The first wave consists of 100 Vulcans carry 20 decoy missiles each. The decoys are launched from a range of 2000km, and at a range of 250km they begin emmitting ECM so as to make their radar cross-section look bigger. Some of them will appear the size of Vulcans, others will appear the size of Harpoons anti-ship missiles.
The second wave occurs 3minutes after the decoys begin jamming, and consists of 80 Venonas flying at low altitude carrying 8 Yakhont-3 anti-ship missiles. The Yakhont-3 is a seaskimming missile with a range of 788km and a speed of Mach 4.5. They also have an armoured warhead to protect against CIWS.
The bomber's retreat will be covered by 76 Harpy stealth fighters from the carrier groups, each armed with 8 Cobra long-range radar guided missiles, and 4 ASRAAM mk2 short-range heat seeking missiles, and a 27mm cannon. The Harpies will be recieving radar data from an E-2c so they won't need to activate their own radar to fire their missiles, allowing them to remain stealthy.

all troops are pulling back to the border for undisclosed reasons.



You're pulling back because you realized I have a 2000 mile long river 5 miles wide all along the border!!! Also the oil trenches, the river mines, the vx gas cloud on the far side of the river i just laid down.... We are well ready to stop attempted crossings.

Inlight of the insignificent damage done by the first bombing raid the pilots are given 10 hours of R and R before the next sortie.

Now instead of their former 10,000 they have been reduced to 9,987. But despite this they once again prepare for launch, this time loaded with incinderary bombs (napalm and the like).

Their target, production facilites, farmland, and millitary bases. (Note: this napalm's chemical formula allow it to burn at 1700 degree celcius, higher than DU or steels melting point,)

Once again in the air, streaking across the atomosphere at 125,000 ft at an average speed of mach 5.1


How can they see through the oil fires.... Most bombs are dropped in the rivers, lakes, or empty farm fields... You managed to scare some cows and level about 10,000 acres worth of crops... But hey each of my 300,000 farmers grows about 5,000 acres... So we'll manage.

Defense Code 1 issued to Armored units with chemical weapons

All along the river FWS forces are switching to SARIN and VX shells in their attempts to stop the crossing of the river by the sith army... They have been ordered to open fire and blanket the other side of the river with VX.... They are then ordered to stop and wait, if more sith forces come... Keep firing.


Defense Code 2 issued to paracommandos at 1st reimgent base in Central Province (The ones with ICBMS)
In the paracommando 1st regiment base the foreign team sent to secure the ICBMS has been detained... The 3 ICBMS are being moved out in the event they are ordered launched.

Defense Code 1 issued to All Nuclear Artillery shells... You are authorized at your discretion to... Light em up boys
Units tasked with holding nuclear artillery shells are ordered to barrage the far side of the river if the sith forces attempt to cross. (the far side is SITH side and they are about 10-15 miles away from the epicenter of the blast from these basically tactical nukes). The SPA artillery will remain mobile to avoid air detection and targeting. If Sith forces make any attempt at a river crossing they will be smashed with nuclear weapons...

Announcing from exile Hendrik Rhodes signed and approved Nuclear and Chemical release papers...


Stating, "Now FWS is authorized to use any means should they try to cross the river and destroy her."

All FWS forces have NBC Protection of some kind, be it via their tanks or APC filtration system or personal NBC Suit. So if the winds change, the VX Won't kill them.



155mm howitzers open up and begin the VX bombardment, it lasts about 15 minutes and about 15,000 lbs are used. The howitzers are then hooked up to trucks and moved to new positions. The engineers continue laying sarin, anti-tank, and anti-personnel mines behind the river behind the oil trenches... Any forces attempting to Cross will have to face river mines, no bridges, VX clouds along the side they start at , possibly more vx clouds as they attempt to cross, possible tactical nukes, possible sarin and mustard use, along with a whole whost of conventional weapons. Already it is unknown how sith forces would attempt to cross the river.


It is not expected that use of tactical nukes on the far side or even middle way into the river will have any significant affect of FWS or allied forces...


Crop Dusting planes pressed into service by the FWS air force have begun spraying 1000s of lbs of uranium, strontium, cobalt, and plutonium all along the far side of the river.

FWS, you have been warned repeatedly NOT to use chemical munitions.

275 of the remaining 550 reserve regiments are ordered into central and northern provinces to shore up defense against river crossing.

50 reserve regiments will set up positions in central province in the event the mail line breaks...

The remaining 225 of the regiments will take up positions in Northern Province along the river.

Each reserve regiment has 1,000 soldiers.


We have 2,000 total of which 275 are still in reserve... The remainder are committed to various fronts (2 were wiped out in bombing raids).

FWS, you have been warned repeatedly NOT to use chemical munitions.

Oh get it off it already, warned by who? Some nation who isn't threatened with extinction...

In case it has escaped your notice, Sith is pulling back.

There is speculation and there are rumors that FWS forces have acquired long-range artillery with a range of between 300-500 miles. With their undisclosed amount of nuclear artillery shells, this may well give forces on their side of the river range to drop nuclear shells right into the heart of major sith population centers... Unlike missiles, SDI cannot intercept artillery shells... Essentially nothing can except God.

Speaking to press reporters from the presidential residence, Donald Rhodes said "We will be able to destroy anything he has up to 500 miles from our border... He is so far known to have primarily missile based weapons, which our allies systems will certainly intercept before they reach us... But I repeat, we will not launch a first strike."


Speaking to reporters from exile, Hendrik Rhodes urged FWS forces to use any and all means to save FWS... "Do whatever you must to make him want peace, you do this by making war too costly for him... When his cities are in ruins and his people srarving, he will want peace... We have never wanted war, that is why we must seek to end it quickly and effeciently. But you men, you should obey Donald Rhodes orders and not launch a first strike."

Recent orders to FWS troops were signed allowing high officers (colonels and generals) to, at their discretion, use NBC weaponry to prevent any and all river crossing attempts.

Um, a coalition of several nations couldn't take Sargoth isle.
It is covered with anti-missile systems. The chances of that little raid knocking anything out is minimal.
you did attack every port. Not all of them were knocked out.
You think I wouldn't see these fighters from a long way away?
The fighters were scrambled to play with you.
Listen.
Please post the casualties that these fighters inflicted on your unescorted bombers. Bear in mind that the system linking these together will compare sensor readings, finding your stealth bombers fairly quickly
Fighters launched

280 RF-11

I do have a lot of countermeasures to protect the grand fleet, the total countermeasures deployed by the Grand fleet comes to...

Counter-Measures: Lunar class (8 in fleet. Countermeasures per ship)
Raytheon AN/SLQ-32(V)
3 Sippican SRBOC 6-barrelled Mk 36 decoy launchers
AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo countermeasures system
SSTDS torpedo defence system
Electro-Magnetic Air Launch System
Counter-Measures: (Infusion class. 8 in fleet. Countermeasures per ship)
Raytheon AN/SLQ-32(V)
4 Sippican SRBOC 6-barrelled Mk 36 decoy launchers
AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo countermeasures system
SSTDS torpedo defence system
Counter-measures: (Thatcher class. 16 in fleet. Countermeasures per ship)
Raytheon AN/SLQ-32(V)
3 Sippican SRBOC 6-barrelled Mk 36 decoy launchers
AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo countermeasures system
SSTDS torpedo defence system
Mk 44 Combination Anti-Missile System (3)
Countermeasures: (Visby class.
The CS-3701 Tactical Radar Surveillance System (TRSS) from EDO Reconnaissance & Surveillance Systems provides Electronic Support Measures (ESM) and Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) functions.
Counter-measures: (Mackensen class. 8 in fleet. CM per ship)
Raytheon AN/SLQ-32(V)
3 Sippican SRBOC 6-barrelled Mk 36 decoy launchers
AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo countermeasures system
SSTDS torpedo defence system
Chaff Launcher (4, Superstructure)
Counter-measures: (Meteora class. 16 in fleet. CM per ship)
Raytheon AN/SLQ-32(V)
3 Sippican SRBOC 6-barrelled Mk 36 decoy launchers
AN/SLQ-25 Nixie torpedo countermeasures system
SSTDS torpedo defence system
PAAMS (Principle Anti-Air Missile System) Electronic Suite

I'd say, with that all up shooting down any missiles, fakes and all, none of your missiles got through.

I gave torpedo CMs just in case they were used too. You didn't say it, but for future reference.

In case it has escaped your notice, Sith is pulling back.

Via msn he says otherwise

teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
all major cities are about 400-600 miles away in the south of the province
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
all you'll hit is farm houses
Unified Sith says:
well iam just going to airdrop all of my men into your nation
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
how
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
the oil fires
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
they'll drop scattered
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
you cannot transport that many
Unified Sith says:
this is NS
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
we have 1000s of shoulder launched missiles
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
sam sites
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
etc
Unified Sith says:
anything is possible
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
allies set up plenty of sam sites
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
we'll burn all our cities to the ground and hold the borders
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
you're men will starve
Unified Sith says:
tyour shoulder sams wont work
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
scorched earth
Unified Sith says:
yes but as soon as i have the other side of the river a bridge will be built
Unified Sith says:
multiple rivers. and iam going to divert the river soon enough
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
won't happen
Unified Sith says:
also iam about to use my new weapon
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
new weapon eh?
Unified Sith says:
the mole
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
is this new weapon within 500 miles of the border?
Unified Sith says:
nope
Unified Sith says:
it does not go above ground
Unified Sith says:
it goes under
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
how many do you have?

teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
did you RP Them
Unified Sith says:
well the prototype will be used on you
teutoniccrusaders@hotmail.com says:
so how many 5 men?
Unified Sith says:
you have no idea about it do you
Unified Sith says:
get ready

Dr Twist, you for or against FWS (im against FWS)

Oh, OK, fair enough and my apologies. However, I must emphasise that use of WMD offensively will probably be frowned upon by many parties.

I give you my GUARANTEE that if ANY nuclear weapon is fired against my allies, i WILL take further actions and act according to my obligations, with a FULL nuclear retalitory assault on FWS and the nation(s) who used WMD's.

EDIT: This is not an escalation or aggressive stance. I am leveling the playing field and establishing the fact that any use of WMD's will result in the destruction of the nation who used them.

If I were you, I'd be scared. Credonia has a lot of nuclear weapons. I'm glad to be his ally.

TAG for observing this war.

We have no allies or interests in this litte affair, but offensive use of nuclear weapons is simply not condoneable. Heaven only knows what it could lead to.

How is Sith operating with 72,000 paratroops, 8,000 paracommandos from me. And perhaps as many as 100,000 allied paratroopers behind his line. Did he just ignore the post where were jumped in almost 12-14 hours ago.

Credonia, if you nuke FWS, think of how many civilians you'll be killing. Not just in FWS, but in your own country as well. There are a great many nations out there that ah...frown upon carpet nuking. If you were to do that, there is a very high chance that someone will return the favor.

Nukes are last resort weapons. FWS is at their last resort. You are not.

iam afraid i did, as its simple not a single plane, well maybe a few would have made it accross but i have over 8000 fighters swarming the area how do you expect to do anything. also the region is littered with sam sites over 1 million men are in the area and more are heading towrds the border as we speak but if you insist that we rp the incient then thats fine as i wont lose much.

There is still a way out. Dont think i wont fire upon the opposing party that fires off nukes, whether they are using a last resort or not. Im in talks with him right now (via MSN). Hes being given a peaceful way out. Its up to him to take that way out without ANYONE being killed.

The bombers were flying at low level, and they were escorted. See the bit where I said fighters would cover their retreat
If you seriously think that you can shoot down 2800 missiles then you are extremely mistaken. ECM would have negligible impact given that the things can home in on jamming
A 250lb FAE warhead will creat a fireball approxiamatly 300 metres in diameter. There were 40 of them fired at each port. That would mean over all you're looking at 12,000sq metres of damage. Fire tends to spread so you can add a lot of secondary damage on top of that.
The attack on Saragoth was done using stand off missiles which were flying at low altitude. Also, all they need to do is hit the docks, which by their very definition will be at the coast, meaning there will be little oppertunity for your "missile defence systems"
You also claimed to not have any radar, yet now you somehow have enough to detect stealth bombers. Which is it? You simply cannot say one thing and then immediatly change the facts when it suits you. Either there are lots of radar, and you lied earlier, or there is no radar and you are lying now. Either way you are lying.
Now stop just spamming huge lists of technobabble and start actually posting damages.

an agreement between Unified Sith and FWS has been reached....stdby for the details of FWS's surrender

Terms of surrender: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3178424

That ain't huge lists of technobabble, that was what you were up against. How can you field so many bombers? Especially since most heavy bombers aren't carrier capable? Also, you may notice that there were far more anti-missile missiles than ECM, so your missiles would be physically intercepted. You do not post up numbers of fighters, and the RF-11 is a heavy dogfighter, at an advantage against most fighters and bombers. They would be launched when your Decoys came up on radar, given how many there are. Your Yakont 3s may be resistant to CIWS, but not invulnerable by a long stretch. What kind of metal shrugs off bits of metal striking it at at least 1000mph? (combined total.) Also, Trimaran hulled ships, what you were aiming for, are much more resistant to missiles (by as much to 6 times. The reason is, that you can destroy one hull, but the other two are undamaged.
100 Vulcan stealth bombers launched from carriers, along with another 80 Vervonas? Along with stealth fighters, and that's just the wing attacking the Grand Fleet. You can summon up from nowhere a second wave to attack Sargoth isle. Where are they coming from?


Nevertheless, I'll post damages.
3 carriers damaged
1 crippled
2 destroyers crippled
corvettes damaged 6
destroyed 2.
I think thats fair considering lots would be intercepted.
Believe it or not, a far smaller fleet of mine was attacked by far more deadly force, and I didn't lose them all. Most were damaged, but then so many of the countermeasures were ill-used.
Finally, stealthed aircraft can be picked up by WW2 tech radars. I think the amount of ships looking for you would find them rather quickly.
8 Yakhonts each? What size bombers are these?
No, I doubt a naval force that small could deploy this.

The grand fleet steps up its chase. They are likely faster than you.

Finally, and make of this what you will, I really can't be bothered fighting you, and since Sith and FWS are going for peace, I suggest we do the same.

Firstly Vulcans are not stealth bombers, and it's Venona, not Vervonas. Do try to actually read and comprehend the words used, rather than merely skimming over it and deciding it says something completly different to what is actually said.
Secondly I never claimed any bombers were launched from the carriers. The bombers used were strategic bombers with an intercontinental range assisted by mid-air refuelling. The fighters (which, by the way I not only posted numbers of, but also the armament carried) came from the carriers, and this was actually referred to in my post. Nowhere did I say bombers came from carriers. That is just another of your delusions.
CIWS usually have a range of c. 20-25km. The Yakhonts would travel that distance in 0.005 seconds. There is no way whatsoever you can engage 800 missiles in that amount of time.
I'll tell you exactly what sort of armour can withstand impacts of over 1000mph. It's the same stuff they use on spacecraft and consists of two layers of metal with a gap in the middle where the bullet\meteor breaks up.
And what are you going to intercept the Yakhonts with? Surely you would have fired most of your missiles at the decoys (or do you have some magical ability to know that they are decoys and so pose no real threat. If so: How?) Standard doctrine for most people is to fire 2 missiles at each inbound target. 2000 inbound targets means 4000 missiles launched to intercept them. For you to then claim to have missiles remaining is
A triamaran may be able to resist damage, but they are not invincible. If one of the hulls is flooded it will result in degraded performance, usually in the form of a lower speed. Don't let little things like facts stand in your way though. You might also want to note that since your fleet is nuclear powered (unless you've decided to change that now that it becomes more of a liability than an asset) there will be radiation leaks.
I can field that many bombers because I have a population approaching 3billion, and a Frightening economy. If America can have 85 B-52s, 92 B-1bs and 21 B-2s, then it is reasonable to assume that a country 1000 times bigger than them could have a larger military. You come much closer to godmoding than me, so don't get preachy.
My bombers have a 788km headstart on your fighters, giving them plenty of time to put some distance between them. Not to mention that the time it takes to launch 280 aircraft from aircraft carriers is quite a lot, even given the stupidly large number of them you've got. You're also refusing to accept that there are fighters in the area, and that they are equipped with a range of 140.4km, giving them the advantage of being able to get some shots off first. They're also stealthy and have their radars switched off, which makes it even harder for you to find them.
WWII radars cannot detect stealthy aircraft. You might want to actually do a bit of background reading on recent history. Start with the First Persian Gulf War and the KIRA system, which was one of the most up to date systems in the world, and shot down exactly 0 F-117s, which were flying at high altitude. My Vampires (and indeed, all my bombers) are flying at low altitude, and consequently are more difficult to detect. It's called "Line Of Sight", and is a commonly recognised fact. Unless you believe the Earth is flat, in which case Line of Sight is part of some shadowy Zionist-Catholic plot to steal babies blood for to use as food for the Lizard People Who Really Rule The Earth.

Since FWS has surrendered, we are pulling the Orbital Weapons Platform back to an orbit over The Region of F.

OOC: I wasn't present during the use of chemical weapons, I apologize.

I have one advatage to you though. I know that civility costs me nothing.
However if you do not, then I see no point returning it.

I may have an excessive amount, and I would have never deployed that many, however, I was in the right place at the right time. If your aircraft have their radars off, good luck in locking on to Jack Sh*t.
Nobody was stating that you couldn't have that amount of aircraft, and when it comes to mentioning that they were launched from home, insulting me done nothing. I wish you to know that I will not be seeking to actively play with you again. you can go and play with people whos only aim is to win, rather to enjoy themselves. I may be wrong about the whole WW2 tech radar, but whatever you gained in insulting my intelligence, I hope you treasure it. If these missiles are so immortal, then I have to ask why do people like Doujin make large navies?
Because you could knock his ships out as if they weren't there, apparently.
Relating back to your reference about the gulf, the radars that picked them up were hardly top of the line, but they picked them up, so stealthing is not invincible. Also, when you fired the decoys, I sent aircraft up, so they would be launching as you were coming in with your second wave. I tried to play with your immortal airforce, because the way you say it, you outrange, outfly, out maneuver, outstealth, everything in the world. In case you haven't noticed, your nation is a year and a bit older than me, meaning you have 1 years experience more at playing this game. The total number of RP wars I have been involved in is 2. That means I don't have much experience, and frankly, your insults don't help.
Fortunately, I'm big enough not to let them get to me.
Your entire last paragraph is pure flame, designed to do nothing but annoy me. I would accept your attack with grace if you could conduct yourself with dignity. All you needed to do was say, but this wasn't enough for you. You had to drill it in. I got the name of your bomber wrong, well sorry. I hope that you recover from the wound dealt to you, good sir, perhaps you seek satisfaction in a duel?

I would also like you to know that I would never respond to someone like this, had they not responded like you had above.
I may have not read your post exactly, and had the exact figures, but to be honest, the precise name of your bomber was hardly the top of my list. Also if YOU had bothered to read my posts, it was on the actual land of Jordaxia that I do not use radar, but my fleet uses it.
the armour you point out cannot take more than dust at that speed. If you had done research, you would find that something the size of a bolt would go straight through it, and destroy it. There have been a few documentaries about the result of something as small as a bolt hitting the space station and destroying it. Thus causing even more debris, striking more spacecraft, and having a chain reaction.

And another answer to what you asked before, my fleet will remain nuclear.

I'm sorry if you find multiple holes in what I said.
I shall endeavour to be civil to you now that I have had my rant. No doubt you shall not apply that to yourself.

Dr Twist, you for or against FWS (im against FWS)

OCC: Against FWS, If i see any use of WMD's that nation will receive the same in return in there Cities.

As I am Jewish, I have no choice but to declare war on the FWS. I will be sending:


The Legion, 110th Batalion of the BNA (Byach National Army)
Moonfire, 111th Batalion of the BNA
Hammerhead, 8th Batalion of the Byach National Marines
The Archangels, 69th Batalion of the Byach National Air Force

The Archangels will be equipped with standard F-15 fighter jets and standars H-bombs.

The other Batalions will just be equiped with syringes of Adrinol (TM), The new drug created by Byach, and knives. The FWS have given me a great chance to show that my new drug works.

-Z.S., President of Byach

Edit: sry, you surrendered.

There's this magical new technology. It's called "radio" and allows data to be transferred from one device to another. It's essentially the same stuff that is used in "wi-fi" networking. This enables data to be transferred from one device (e.g. an AWACS) to another device, (e.g. a fighter aircraft). What this means is that radar data can be transferred to a fighter, enabling a fighter to enjoy the benefits of radar data, without the dangers inherent in switching on its own radar.
The missiles are not immortal, nor did I claim they were. They are however, difficult to shoot down, and this difficulty is increased given the large number of them. 2000 decoys, plus 800 real missiles is a lot. The idea was to overwhelm your defences. Sooner or later sheer brute force will overwhelm any amount of technology. If you think it's easy to just swat missiles out of the sky, then try reading up on the Falklands Campaign of 1982. Bear in mind the Exocet only goes at about Mach 0.9, and has a much shorter range than the Yakhont. See, it isn't as easy as you seem to think.
As for out ranging your aircraft, it's really quite simple. Now, I don't know how fast your planes go, so I'll just estimate. If I'm excessively wrong then feel free to point it out, but it won't make much difference. At a speed of Mach 2 (which is the top speed for most fighters at full afterburners, which poses other problems which will be addressed later), it will take a little over 21 minutes to cover 788km. Now, in those 22 minutes, my Venonas will have travelled about 296km, putting more distance between them and your fighters. I can't be bothered to calculate the exact time to intercept, but it doesn't matter because your fighters won't be able to keep up a sustained speed of Mach 2, for the simple reason that afterburners use up a lot of fuel. Chances are your fighters would begin to flame out before they caught up to the bombers, so lets assume they go a bit slower, perhaps Mach 1.2, which is about as fast as you'll go without afterburners. It'll now take you about 36 minutes to cover the distance. Even if you got the planes airbourne immediatly after the decoys begin broadcasting, that's still more than 33 minutes before you can intercept.
KIRA (which, dispite your mistaken belief was one of the best systems in the world at the time) may have picked up the F-117s, but there's no evidence that they did, and even if they did it was to no avail since all the planes returned home safely every time. Picking up a plane is all well and good, but you've actually got to shoot it down to make the entire venture worthwhile.
As for your claim that the space station (which space station, by the way? There have been several, Skylab, Mir, ISS, probably one more I can't remember the name of) has been destroyed by space debris, I'm sure NASA would like to know about this. I know they've had a few problems what with Columbia and all, but I suspect even they would notice that a multi-billion dollar investment has suddenly vanished, along with two astronauts.

Regarding radio. I thought you could pick up the radio as well.
Well, at least its civil, and I thank you for that.
regarding the space station (as my knowledge of the rest is hardly encyclopedic (not much experience...)) I didn't say that the documentaries said that the space station did go down, but rather that what could happen if it was hit. I'm sure NASA would love to know if one of their prized stations went down. It was a hypothetical. (Also, with simulated results in an experiment. Rather messy.)
you actually over-estimated the speed of the fighters (I think) usually the cruise at about 1.6. (see, I don't just change the facts) but whatever.
I'll learn. Next time someone tries that, I'll just send two small H-bombs their way. Yeah, I'm getting rid of my WMD, but I think I need to make an exception. (1 for the decoys, and another for your real attack) That should save on the counter measures. :)

The "one that got away" would be Salyut, comrade. :)

And as for this little debate: I'm afraid the evidence is pretty convincingly on Shildonia's side. You'd need to totally jam the guidance arrays of the missiles, be able to attain accuracy about 200% as great as the best anti-missile capaby systems today (such as Aegis and SA-N-9) AND achieve a hit/kill ratio of about...well, 1:1 to be certain of demolishing all those missiles plus their decoys and/or ensuring no hits on your own shipping.

As for use of nuclear weapons: although this has generally been considered somewhat less risky than land use of nuclear weapons on land ("nukes don't leave holes in the water" etc) it's probably not a terribly good idea nonetheles. For starters, the EMP will completely blind your own radars and screw up every electronic component within range - not terribly useful if another attack comes in.

Well, it would be a small nuclear weapon. Preferably small enough to not hit my ships.
Hey, I'm very new at this relatively. I wasn't saying he was wrong, I just objected the fact that he seemed to need to be rude to me to prove his point.

Heh, OK, just wanted to get everythin clear so to speak. Best to do things right and all that :)

So now that it's been determined that I am in fact a brilliant strategist, can you post damages on the other attacks, and\or revise the damages to your not so Grand Fleet.

OMG...that was some of the funniest crap I've ever seen. Im suprised that someone didn't go Unkown to the leaders of FWS, we have managed to infiltrate the entire bodyguard and military structure of FWS over many years. We have now ordered that these "moles" activate. In one night, all FWS leaders are killed. The End or some other lame godmod like that. Seemed appariate in this thread.

Well, I really don't want to lose the fleet, so I'll revise damages to the other attack on the nation you said "and/or" I took "and", lol.

It wasn't brilliant strategy either. The Russians use that exact same strategy in Red Storm Rising, a Tom Clancy novel. So Nelson you are not. :)

Well, if you ask, I'll increase the damages done to my ports and satellites. Ports lost 40, damaged 5.

Satellites lost 90%.
(You really might want to revise the attack on those 5 ports that I listed as damaged. After all, they belong to other allies of mine.)

I've updated my fleet from now on with some (lots) longer range anti-missile defenses. By the way, why did you help FWS, and why aren't you helping now?
I'm leaving.
If you want to pursue peace talks, go ahead, I'll play along.