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Praetonia is officially announcing to the world the start of its own nuclear weapons program:

"Praetonia is a sovereign nation, and therefore we wish to protect that sovereignty from anyone who would wish to threaten us with complete destruction. We are starting this program as a way of ensuring Praetonia's neutrality in war, and a way of detering anyone from threating us with the use of such weapons. The weapons we construct are not intended to be high-yield, or to needlessly destroy human life. We are constructing these weapons to defend the Praetonian people, and to make declaring war on the Sovereign Nation of Praetonia a much harder choice that it has been. No questions, thankyou..."

That was a report from PNN just moments ago. The Praetonian government has openly announced this to the world. No part of it will be kept secret and international inspectors are welcome to all related Praetonian facilities. The missiles will be based in two submarines, one of which will be in refit and one of which will be at sea. The change over will be timed so there is no gap in the Praetonian nuclear deterant system. We have uranium here in Praetonia which we hope to use. We therefore request of the international community:

1) The sale of two nuclear powered subs capable of launching ICBMs
2) Support in improving our fairly advanced missile tachnology to cope with such weapons.
3) The sale of uranium mining and processing equiptment.

Of course this will take a lot of time and money to create, but we believe that it will be worth it in the end.

OOC: Before you ask, my population is 97 million, I'm not a warmongering n00b as I only want to build a small number of medium-yield missiles and most other countries in NS have them so dont moan at me for trying to produce them. Thankyou.

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Strange... not even any 'Stop you godmodding n00b' posts that seem to follow every announcement of this kind.

I think its the fact that you didn't start to construct
"1 m1lli0n n00ks w1th 1thousand gigaton y13lds!"
I done that too, and got no responses either. No news is good news.
We'll help with the uranium, since you are an ally.

[blatant bump]Thankyou very much[/blatant bump]

Several reasons why no claims of n00bing.

A. You're pretty much over a month old, what's 4 days.
B. You're at 97M when usually 100M is the norm, what's 3M.
C. You RP'd it nicely and not some stupid, "I have n00ks f you all!!!!"

So with that. Good Job.

Praetonia, as an ally in good standing of the Dominion of Kotterdam, enjoys a Class A clearance for the purchase of military hardware. This means that, amongst other things, the House of Commons has approved the sale of nuclear weapons and delivery systems. While we do not currently have an operating SSBN, we do have a development project in the works. Tenatively designated the Titan-class, we would be willing to offer Praetonia two submarines from construction Block I.

Praetonia sends its thanks to the Dominion of Kotterdam. We would be most interested in purchasing your new SSBNs. Could you give us a rough cost estimate at this stage?

OOC: Thanks Layarteb!

At 15:43 GMT on Friday 16 May 2004, two large explosions went off on small islands in the middle of the Vascian Gulf. The first was from a 100 kiloton fission bomb, the other from a smaller 1 kiloton fussion bomb. The testing phase of the Praetonian nuclear program is complete and work will now focus on improving the performance of our fussion bombs (which no one on the project really believed would work). We hope to have at least 20 submarine based 10 megaton ICBMs in 5 NS years time, with sufficient sophistication that at least on can be expected to penetrate most ABM systems.

The Dominion estimates that the individual unit cost for an empty Titan-Class SSBN to range between $950 Million and $1 Billion USD. The vessel is currently in the final stages of its design phase, and preliminary specifications should be ready for review shortly.

Look up golden Flacon's store Front for the Crookfur designed Silent Knife submarine, its a kind of cross between a SSN and a SSBN (ie its a hunter killer with 3 SLBM sized VL tubes that can accept either trident D-5(or simialr), a 7 pack of tomahawks (or similar) or a 5" vertical gun system).
I'll try to dig up a link.

Congratulations on becoming a nuclear power. Very nicely RPed. :)

Although we recognize that a nuclear deterrent is a valuable strategic asset for a state to possess, the Empire would like to note that there are viable alternatives to nuclear defense. However, as it appears that Praetoria has already set upon the path of nuclear development, the Empire feels the need to inform Praetonia of some basic facts.

1. Nuclear defense is a long-term investment with few returns. A nuclear power needs to be on a par with the most powerful nuclear power in order for such a deterrent to be truly effective. As most nuclear programs are tightly guarded, few know who is the strongest nuclear power - or what quantities of nuclear warheads are possessed by that power.
2. Any state with a greater nuclear arsenal than your nuclear arsenal will not be deterred. Pinpoint nuclear - or conventional - strikes could knock out your capacity to respond quickly enough, rendering the deterrent useless.
3. A nuclear deterrent is expensive, over the long-term, and damaging to political regional stability in the short-term. Any increase in military spending increases military anxiety, and nuclear spending increases are no exception.
4. The very act of building a nuclear deterrent paints a big red target on the state possessing it.

That said, we wish Praetonia the best in their endeavours, and would be delighted to establish diplomatic relations with Praetonia, should they be willing.

~ Ambassador Nejure

Secret IC:
I can provide you with the remaining Credonian designed Triomphant Class SSBN's that we were goign to scrap (not because they were outdatesd, but because were limiting our nuclear arms). You may have then for free, but you need to send 4 crews to take them back to your country

The Five Civilized Nations is disgusted with the joining of another nation to the vile and foul halls of the nuclear powers. We hope that Praetonia sees the wisdom of no nuclear weapons upon our sacred, hallowed, and beloved Earth and cancel its nuclear program.

We the Five Civilized Nations have actively begun to seek the elimination of all nuclear capabilities as evidence of the neutralization of our ground-based nuclear weapons.

We hope that our actions can act as an example to all nations seeking to become nuclear powers or are already...

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-Vice Foreign Minister Shi Jin

.:Transmission:.
To: Praetonian governmental officials
From: President Roy Williams, Grand Space Empire of Tasty Foods

Message:

We like to help nuclear powers get started, therefore we are going to help fund your project, provide you with however many ICBMs you require, as long as it's a reasonable amount, and if you allow us, we will send nuclear physicists.

We await your reply.

.:End Transmission:.

OOC: Im really sorry for the late reply, with so many of you showing an interest.

Secret IC to Credonia

We heartily accept your offer of free Triumphant Class SSBNs, even with our growing economy nuclear subs are a very expensive part of this project. Your great help will not be forgotten.

Tasty Foods

Thankyou for your help. We graciously accpet your financial help and your physicists. They will be welcome to help our program. We need help specifically in improving the yield of our weapons and developing weapons to penetrate ABM shields.

Five Civilized Nations

Whilst we appreciate your concern, and we see your good intentions, we do not agree with your point of view. We view ICBMs as peacekeepers -who would threaten us with destruction it meant MAD? We are a small nation, and so we need these weapons to ensure our neutrality in major wars, and to prevent ourselves from becoming the innoncent victims of a large rogue nation.

Ma-tek

We completely disagree, so I shall answer your comments point by point:

1) The return is security, something we value very highly. Also you do not need to have more ICBMs that 'them' if they are to be an effective deterrant. You only need enough that they know that they can obliterate you - if they want their major cities turned into radioactive goo.

2) Our ICBMs will be in subs, as stated, and so cannot be knocked out by pin-point targetting as they are moving targets, well under the water and out of harm's way.

3) The nuclear deterrant is expensive, but not as expensive as repairing the damage if we get nuked/invaded. Also I do not believe it creates insability, as we are a responsible nation and most major powers in NS have nuclear weapons.

4) No, not having them paints a big red target over yourself. Without it our nation could easily be held to ransom by a nuclear power, with it people will think twice before threatening us.

.:Transmission:.
To: Government officials, Praetonia
From: President Roy Williams, Grand Space Empire of Tasty Foods

Message:

Our physicists are on the way. We are glad to help. :)

.:End Transmission:.

OOC: Im really sorry for the late reply, with so many of you showing an interest.

Secret IC to Credonia

We heartily accept your offer of free Triumphant Class SSBNs, even with our growing economy nuclear subs are a very expensive part of this project. Your great help will not be forgotten.

Tasty Foods

Thankyou for your help. We graciously accpet your financial help and your physicists. They will be welcome to help our program. We need help specifically in improving the yield of our weapons and developing weapons to penetrate ABM shields.

Five Civilized Nations

Whilst we appreciate your concern, and we see your good intentions, we do not agree with your point of view. We view ICBMs as peacekeepers -who would threaten us with destruction it meant MAD? We are a small nation, and so we need these weapons to ensure our neutrality in major wars, and to prevent ourselves from becoming the innoncent victims of a large rogue nation.

Ma-tek

We completely disagree, so I shall answer your comments point by point:

1) The return is security, something we value very highly. Also you do not need to havemore ICBMs that 'them' if they are to be an effective deterrant. You only need enoughtht they know that they can obliterate you -if they want their major turned into radioactive goo.

2) Our ICBMs will be in subs, as stated, and so cannot be knocked out by pin-point targetting as they are moving targets, well under the water and out of harm's way.

3) The nuclear deterrant is expensive, but not as expensive as repairing the damage if we get nuked/invaded. Also I do not believe it creates insability, as we are a responsible nation and most major powers in NS have nuclear weapons.

4) No, not having them paints a big red target over yourself. Without it our nation could easily be held to ransom by a nuclear power, with it people will think twice before threatening us.

SECRET IC
They will be transported to your nation unmarked within the next 4 hours. Expect delivery soon after

OOC: Can you give me some specs. I tried going on yourwebsite but it always seems to crash my browser :? .

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107881

OOC: Thanks

IC:

Having recieved 2 Triumphant Class SSBNs from the United States of Credonia, the final phase of our project is about to begin. With help from Tasty Foods, a 2mt thermonuclear bomb has been constructed and built. This was then tested hours ago in the Vascian Gulf and the test proved successful, generating a 2.00321mt explosion with only trace amounts (non-dangerous) of nuclear fallout.

The next and final phase of our nuclear weapons program will therefore be the building and testing of an ICBM on which the warhead can be mounted. This missile must be sufficiently advanced that at least 20% of missiles can be expected to penetrate most ABM shields. Praetonian missile researchers have already begun designing such a missile, but international help would bemore than welcome.

OOC:

Our physicists will also help you with the ICBM development.

OOC: Thanks. I hope to finish the whole program by tomorrow night.

OOC: Thanks. I hope to finish the whole program by tomorrow night.

OOC: Good luck. I'm finally developing a nuclear weapons program as well. I intend mine to be for the same reasons as yours.

OOC: Yes I saw that. Now that I've finished mine I will help you with yours if you want.

IC:

"After one year of work, missile scientists from both Praetonia and Tasty Foods have managed to build and test an ICBM capable of carrying the Praetonian 2mt 'Praesidium' (from the Latin meaning 'protection') thermonuclear warhead anywhere in the world from a submarine launch.

Scientists from both nations rejoiced as the missile carrying dummy warhead impacted only 3.4ft away from the target point in Praetonia. The missile they have developed was also tested in simulations against both Praetonian and foreign ABM shields and an average pentration rate of 20% was reached. The Praetonian Prime Minister said today that it was a 'momentous occasion' for Praetonia.

The Praetonian nuclear deterant currently stands at 32 Praesidium missiles in two submarines, of which 16 are ready for firing at any one time. Praetonia is now a Nuclear Power"

OOC: Yes I saw that. Now that I've finished mine I will help you with yours if you want.

[OOC: I would like that. I'd also like to see if you could help me design some tungsten rods that I could possibly launch from an ICBM or a satellite in the event the rogue Doujin decides to come calling.]

.:Begin Transmission:.
To: Government officials, Praetonia
From: President Roy Williams, Grand Space Empire of Tasty Foods

Message:

Congratulations on your emergence as a nuclear power, friend. We were glad to help. If you ever need something, don't hesitate to ask.

.:End Transmission:.