NationStates Jolt Archive

The following nations have requested, and been granted, invitations:

Praetonia
Jordaxia
Momanguise
The Incorporated States of Sarzonia
Red Wales
New New Kiwizeland
Kholint (I will be speaking on behalf of him as he cant make it, he has TGed me his views)
The People's Republic of Provadance
Technocracia
Celdrone
Turetel
Rogue State of Discordian Radishes
La Habana
San Diego Maradona
Watertest
Teh ninjas
Nova Hope
SEELE-NERV
Tahar Joblis
New Genoa
Librii
Facist White States
ViZion
Magdha
Juifs
Polish Warriors

If you are not on this list, but feel you should be, then please TG me and Ill decide whether or not to let you in.

After months of preparations it had finally happened. The first major conference Praetonia had ever held, in the recently built conference hill, but 200 metres from Parliament itself. The Praetonian Guard had surrounded the building, constantly scanning for any breach in security.

The Praetonian Delegate and conference Chariman looked up at row upon row of seats, crammed with delegates from all over the NS globe.

"Good Afternoon everyone, and welcome to the Slavery Conference. As I look up at you today, I see people of all different races and cultures. I see people sitting in the same room as their allies, and their enemies. But that is not what I truely see. What I truely see are people with a determination to rid the world of the vile scruge that is slavery. I see people ready to find a solution to a problem that has plagued man kind for thousands of years, and I see people ready to come together in order to achieve such a feat. I call this Slavery Conference, OPEN!"

With that, the room erupted into applause, and the Praetonian Delegate courteous sat down to allow one of the foreign Delegates to speak.

The delegate from the Fascist White States rose from his seat and began to speak:

What exactly constitutes slavery? Slavery is by definition involuntary servitude. In other words, forced labor. What can be done about this? While we cannot exercise control outside of the UN, we can reaffirm the position of the UN against slavery.

As a UN member I feel we should consider possible UN action to reaffirm our anti-slavery stance. Furthermore I think for nations that don't want the problems of millions of freed slaves running around we can offer help. I will pledge 100 million to any nation which will repatriate their slaves to the land of their racial origin. (Historically this is what President James Monroe did by setting up Liberia)


We can also offer incentives to slave nations to abandon slavery. It requires a lot of time and money but we in the Fascist White States converted our Negroes from actual slaves to just wage slaves in a few short years. We think the world can learn from our experiences. Our Negroes enjoy good wages but must sign labor contracts pledging they won't strike, form unions, or leave for a specified period. Our mines have never been better. We even regularly give bonuses when production is up.

The non-slaves work with vigor and a joy that slaves never had. Clearly our Negroes are happier now more than ever. If you won't ban slavery for any other reason, do it for the increase in business it brings. Slaves get all their food and clothing provided for them by their owners. But now that slaves are freed, they have to buy everything. This creates many new job opportunities. Thank you for your time

The room had a moderate applause "We would like to thank the Delegate from the Fascist White States, for his proposal on slavery. It is certainly unique. Indeed the delegate is a citizen of the FWS, of that, we can all be assured”.

It most certainly is unique.
The Jordaxian Emperor (like the British monarchy, but more politically active) Michael Welsh stood.
"It seems to me that your views on slavery seem somewhat contradictory and backward. I would like to discuss what you do in some greater length for a moment. You have taken the step to abolish slavery within your nation. This is commendable. However. The fact that you seem to actively promote a distinction between the two races where most people would rather unify them seems at odds to the rest of the conference. Naturally, Jordaxia does not attempt to destroy any cultures, rather to encourage all to embrace them, we find your views strange. Also, you actively, and proudly, proclaim that your "negroes" are still essentially bound, just that now you need not provide for them is most certainly against the principals of this meeting.

Jordaxia has never had anything other than conflict labour, where the prisoners agree to perform manual labour to have their sentences reduced. We find that this is a most acceptable way to conduct business, as costs go down, the prisoners learn skills which will help to rehabilitate them, and there is a choice given. Prisoners who refuse simply serve the remainder of their term.

This is not the focus of the meeting however. We are all assembled here to attempt to tackle this problem, and to suggest non-violent ways to abolish this practise across the globe. Previously, I had suggested that sanctions should be placed against a nation that participates in this practise. It has since occured to me that such a practise would have little effect, as for a modern nation to have slavery, it is unlikely to be too reliant on the external economy. It is a difficult problem to solve, though one that should not be shirked from nor avoided. That is why I have formulated an alternative solution. As a collective, we should attempt, first by logical disuasion (for example debating directly to the leader the damage he does to his nation by continuing this practise) Secondly, not by placing sanctions on the nation, but to simply not recognise it. More than just sanctions, but actively ignoring the nation. This may seem counterproductive, but once that the leader sees that nobody will accomodate him, along with the logical, faultless reasons that we give for abolishing slavery, the step to emancipation of all slaves may not seem to far for acceptance into the community."

The Jordaxian Emperor sat down again, and waited the response.

I would like to be invited to this such event.

Premier DuFor
Premier of Communist Louisiana and its Territories
New Orelans, Communist Lousiana

As an invited member I would like to remind Fascist White States that it was not until I invaded you with a small task force and threatened to bring in a larger one on the side of the African rebellion against you that you finally came to terms, also after killing 350,000 in West Vittoria by Chemical Weaponry to efficently in your terms end slavery. They may be enjoying a better life but thank the nations that rebuilt West Vittoria and those who sent Red Cross teams. Also your stance is still rather poor, your last post said you gave them some small rights which doesn't seem logical enough to step right up and give them even higher rights, but I applaud giving them more rights, now make them free.

I also wish to step on this floor to propose a much harsher ideal on how to deal with non-complaint slave nations, an Armed Force devoted to the destruction of all slave nations. This is one of the many ideals that were passed and seeing how Jordaxia already covered one I will cover an obvious alternative. A flaw in Jordaxia's plan is that since they don't really rely on out-side economic sources they really won't care if they are not seen as a nation by other nations. Also that they will almost certainly keep their slave ways until the government of their current affairs isn't in charge or is drastically changed. I believe that any member of "War Plan A" (as I forsee more Battle Plans) would devote a few thousand forces and funding deemed fit by the nations size and economic stature. Nations would have to donate ships and planes and guns/supplies. Nations would also have to have high-support of this issue though, you can't be split on military issues in this case.

The Turetelian Civil Party of our government though also supported a less radical ideal, an International Red-Cross that focused solely on the Slave Nations and upkeeping slave health and care, even if we can not make them free by less radical ideas this will at least gurantee that the people get to stay healthy.

*Note I will probably speak some more so don't discount all of my ideals yet.

Jackson McAbb Special Delegate to Slave Conference
Charles Swine
Anna Truffin
Clovis Backerfall
Jane Idealist

The delegate from FWS rose again and began to speak "We seek to establish the separate development of the races for the simple fact that history shows when races, religions, and ethnic groups compete for resources and political power, as in the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Roman Empire, The USSR, etc, there is inevitably conflict. The Austro-Hungarian Empire collapsed because whites of different nationalities couldn't get along, if people of the same race couldn't get along, what chance is there for different races to cooperate.

But we are not here to debate the merits of our system of separate development. We are here to discuss the banning of slavery.

Our Negroes are not slaves in the classic sense of the word in that they can leave their jobs once their 5-year contracts are up. Also they are paid wages above that of other nations Negroes. We think however that ignoring other nations will only exacerbate the problem. We must actively deal and speak with the nations to get them to come to terms. This could include using economic incentives, such as increased business deals being sent their way in exchange for compliance with UN regulations.

Thank you for your time”

The Delegate from the FWS sat back down in his seat.

I also wish to step on this floor to propose a much harsher ideal on how to deal with non-complaint slave nations, an Armed Force devoted to the destruction of all slave nations. This is one of the many ideals that were passed and seeing how Jordaxia already covered one I will cover an obvious alternative. A flaw in Jordaxia's plan is that since they don't really rely on out-side economic sources they really won't care if they are not seen as a nation by other nations. Also that they will almost certainly keep their slave ways until the government of their current affairs isn't in charge or is drastically changed. I believe that any member of "War Plan A" (as I forsee more Battle Plans) would devote a few thousand forces and funding deemed fit by the nations size and economic stature. Nations would have to donate ships and planes and guns/supplies. Nations would also have to have high-support of this issue though, you can't be split on military issues in this case.



After hearing the talk of possible invasion of slaves states the delegate of the FWS thought it necessary to comment.

"While we of the FWS are against slavery we will certainly not engage in a war to end the practice of slavery, unless it is deemed absolutely necessary to the defense of our nation or allied nations. For instance if the slaves were being used to build weapons to be used against us. We do not feel that slavery is something worth dying to end. We therefore will not force soldiers into battle against nations on the ground of slavery alone. But we will permit our soldiers to volunteer for duty if they so choose".

The delegate of FWS then sat back down.

The delegate from the Democratic Republic of teh Ninja's rises. "My country, opposes all forms of slavery or of forced labor. Though we understand why some countries may enslave a poplulation for manual labor. A slave holding country's agricultural income is brought in by enslaved people. If all these slaves were set free, the country would have to pay for the workers pay, cutting the nations budget. If the workers were kept enslaved the country could have the more money to buy perphaps, medicines, goods, or arms." He pauses. "The enslaved person himself was taught no special skill, and may not be able to read or write. Where will they go? This is of course based on if the country relies on the slaves to do most of the manual labor. If the slaves are free they may resort to illegal means to make a living. Perphaps forming gangs, and such. I just mean to give some negatives on freeing a population."

He taks a momentary pause to view the expressions on the delegates faces. "We believe that every human being has basic rights. Every human being should be able to choose his own career. Slaves, are known to be phyiscally punished by owners for any number of reasons. Most are not cared for if they fall ill, although this isn't always the case. I condemn slavery however I do respect every nations oppinion on this issue. The UN should not decide this issue but every country itself. With this he sat down quietly.

Secretary of Foreign Affairs Wilson Mills.

I also wish to step on this floor to propose a much harsher ideal on how to deal with non-complaint slave nations, an Armed Force devoted to the destruction of all slave nations. This is one of the many ideals that were passed and seeing how Jordaxia already covered one I will cover an obvious alternative. A flaw in Jordaxia's plan is that since they don't really rely on out-side economic sources they really won't care if they are not seen as a nation by other nations. Also that they will almost certainly keep their slave ways until the government of their current affairs isn't in charge or is drastically changed. I believe that any member of "War Plan A" (as I forsee more Battle Plans) would devote a few thousand forces and funding deemed fit by the nations size and economic stature. Nations would have to donate ships and planes and guns/supplies. Nations would also have to have high-support of this issue though, you can't be split on military issues in this case.



After hearing the talk of possible invasion of slaves states the delegate of the FWS thought it necessary to comment.

"While we of the FWS are against slavery we will certainly not engage in a war to end the practice of slavery, unless it is deemed absolutely necessary to the defense of our nation or allied nations. For instance if the slaves were being used to build weapons to be used against us. We do not feel that slavery is something worth dying to end. We therefore will not force soldiers into battle against nations on the ground of slavery alone. But we will permit our soldiers to volunteer for duty if they so choose".

The delegate of FWS then sat back down.

I can see your point, but I see it in an akward stance, as you hit your own "neogros" with Sarin Gas I believe. My losses in your nation were about 3 Diplomats in West Vitorria, no more though. I also have to say that unless some major revolution has occured in your nation I don't believe you have yet to switch rights to all people's of your nation.

I also would wish you called the African's African's as they should be and not your deeming and degrading term.

*Note: If the host finds this side arguement disruptive, it will stop instantly.

I also wish to step on this floor to propose a much harsher ideal on how to deal with non-complaint slave nations, an Armed Force devoted to the destruction of all slave nations. This is one of the many ideals that were passed and seeing how Jordaxia already covered one I will cover an obvious alternative. A flaw in Jordaxia's plan is that since they don't really rely on out-side economic sources they really won't care if they are not seen as a nation by other nations. Also that they will almost certainly keep their slave ways until the government of their current affairs isn't in charge or is drastically changed. I believe that any member of "War Plan A" (as I forsee more Battle Plans) would devote a few thousand forces and funding deemed fit by the nations size and economic stature. Nations would have to donate ships and planes and guns/supplies. Nations would also have to have high-support of this issue though, you can't be split on military issues in this case.



After hearing the talk of possible invasion of slaves states the delegate of the FWS thought it necessary to comment.

"While we of the FWS are against slavery we will certainly not engage in a war to end the practice of slavery, unless it is deemed absolutely necessary to the defense of our nation or allied nations. For instance if the slaves were being used to build weapons to be used against us. We do not feel that slavery is something worth dying to end. We therefore will not force soldiers into battle against nations on the ground of slavery alone. But we will permit our soldiers to volunteer for duty if they so choose".

The delegate of FWS then sat back down.

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We have already seen to granting our negroes more independence and local autonomy. If they don't abuse it we may eventually allow them to leave our common wealth and form their own nation. But we hold firmly to the belief that two races cannot peacefully coexist as equals within one nation. That is why we granted them local autonomy.

However we reaffirm our selective immigration policies and our citizenship policies.

The Emperor rose once more.
"Turetel. Whilst we appreciate your attitude towards the problem, our first course, and the reason that this meeting was called, was to answer and challenge the problem of slavery without the necessity of resorting to violence, hence the non-violent solution I proposed. Now, naturally, every plan has its flaws in its infancy, and whilst my proposed course of action may not be the best, it should be considered. If it is possible, I would rather leave battle plans to the side for now, to concentrate on more peaceful solutions. This is not a formal military alliance. Just a meeting between like-minded nation's governments.

The slave-care agency which you run is a good idea. I may wish to support this action at a later date. I shall now propose my second alternative. This one is far harsher than the one I proposed a small while ago, whilst not resorting to war. If we were to "sponsor" mass escapes from prison camps, we may well cause considerable difficulties to those who endorse slavery. If the possibility of large portions of their workforce going missing overnight worries them, they may think twice about enslaving others. Peaceful actions are difficult to take against slaving nations. These suggestions are not to be considered definite by any measure.

FWS. You again say something that bewilders me. you say that your ethnic minorities are paid more than other nations. Since I have no real minorities or majorities in my nation I will bring it to your specific point, that of the wages given to workers of African origin. the wages paid to my workers are identical, providing they do the same job.

However, I do agree with your point. Whilst sanctioning them may not damage their economy, incentives that would boost it may be considered greatly."

OOC: (To FWS)I see this, so are you going to open fire upon my Marine Guards that are required by my nations Red Cross Standards to guard my troops(ie-Red Cross Members)?

IC: (TO FWS)Still not very rightful but better then before, and you didn't call them neogroes, instead blacks, I applaud this effort, to an extent.

IC: True Jordaxia, I will consider your ideals as well, but all ideals still must be listened to or at least voted on to a certain extent.

FWS. you say that your ethnic minorities


Yes...minorities... Well, the truth is they are the overwhelming majority of our nation. They are the racial majority. We whites compromise perhaps 15% of the nation. Remember, we purposely distort our census data to make it appear there are far far fewer negroes than there actually are. We have 40 million negroes, not 1 million.

OOC: Turetel, I wasn't saying I was ignoring your ideals. I am considering them in the same way I hope you consider mine. I was simply clarifying, for everyones benefit, but using your post as an example, that a non-violent solution is what we are attempting to reach, not a n00k all slave nations! (not that I am saying that is what you propose, just so that others won't propose something similar.)
FWS why do you distort your census. are you embarrased?

OOC:
FWS why do you distort your census. are you embarrased?


Well people are less accepting of a minority group dominating than a majority group dominating. So we find it is best to portray ourselves as the majority. But as recent moles discovered, we are indeed the minority in the nation as a whole. In the white provinces we are obviously 100% Of the population. That is why we created the Union Of Black Provinces to grant them some local autonomy and to keep them from bothering us.

Rising his feet the Noviet (No not Novian) spoke cautiously to the room which, in his opinion was beginning to degrade into a place for delegates to air international laundry.

“I would have grave misgivings over a healthcare plan for slaves provided for by the international community. The Noviet opinion is that slavery continues to exist due to economic reasons. If it were a purely,… ideological reason you would have systems like the one now being set up in the FWS. By providing healthcare to slave owners we are appeasing his slaves, making them less likely to revolt, but more importantly it become an economic incentive to continue owning slaves. Now with this healthcare plan, which is at no cost to him, his slaves have longer productivity.

With the plan to support mass escapes I would like clarification, would the support be money, A car at the border, or an assault on a slaver compound and airlift of ‘all’ of the slaves on the compound.

As for military action it is more than plausible, in fact depending on the circumstance the government of Nova Hope would support it full heartedly. One thing that military action shows is a country is willing to make a sound monetary commitment to improving the conditions of the slaves in question. However rather than then invading and causing resentment and downright hateful responses from the slave owners why not invest in said company?”

There was a low whisper from around the room at this statement.

“Now hear me out please. As industrialized nations we all know that automation is an economic inevitability, it’s more efficient and cuts down on operating costs. Why not simply offer subsidies to companies in the country that do not use slave labour? As they replace their slaves with machines slavery will become a less commonplace thing and sooner or latter the government will end up in the business of feeding these, now unproductive slaves. At that time we could help with re-education programs if said government were to ban the practice of slavery.

On another economic level we could also offer the products that the slaves are producing cheaper than they could make it. This may incur a loss to us but isn’t it worth it?”

I can see your point Nova. However, the point is not to drive the man out of business, but to improve the quality of life for those that he "owns". A mass escape like I proposed would make use of a special forces contingent, say the Jordaxian IRC, evacuating the slaves and moving them to a nation that will grant them citizenship. The guards at the compound would be incapacitated as far as possible rather than killed. There are efficient knockout gasses that can be used that can evacuate the slaves whilst killing nobody. Your plan to subsidise the business owner out of slavery is quite unique, but it would seem likely to have quite an effect. I shall look into it more.

(Just in case anybody can't guess, this is Jordaxia, accidently logged on as a puppet)

I can see your point Nova. However, the point is not to drive the man out of business, but to improve the quality of life for those that he "owns". A mass escape like I proposed would make use of a special forces contingent, say the Jordaxian IRC, evacuating the slaves and moving them to a nation that will grant them citizenship. The guards at the compound would be incapacitated as far as possible rather than killed. There are efficient knockout gasses that can be used that can evacuate the slaves whilst killing nobody. Your plan to subsidise the business owner out of slavery is quite unique, but it would seem likely to have quite an effect. I shall look into it more.

(Just in case anybody can't guess, this is Jordaxia, accidently logged on as a puppet)

If you are going to be physically assaulting people in your anti-slavery quest then the FWS will have to withdraw support for your plans. You must not harm people physically or economically. Also their property must not be damaged, no blowing up bunkers etc.

I suggest you buy the slaves from the slave owners and then free them if you so desire.

I can see your point Nova. However, the point is not to drive the man out of business, but to improve the quality of life for those that he "owns". A mass escape like I proposed would make use of a special forces contingent, say the Jordaxian IRC, evacuating the slaves and moving them to a nation that will grant them citizenship. The guards at the compound would be incapacitated as far as possible rather than killed. There are efficient knockout gasses that can be used that can evacuate the slaves whilst killing nobody. Your plan to subsidise the business owner out of slavery is quite unique, but it would seem likely to have quite an effect. I shall look into it more.

(Just in case anybody can't guess, this is Jordaxia, accidently logged on as a puppet)

If you are going to be physically assaulting people in your anti-slavery quest then the FWS will have to withdraw support for your plans. You must not harm people physically or economically. Also their property must not be damaged, no blowing up bunkers etc.

I suggest you buy the slaves from the slave owners and then free them if you so desire.

Standing quickly to defend himself the Noviet delegate spoke again.

“There is no way we can fundamentally alter the economy of a country and not expect to harm someone economically. We are refraining from agreeing with the delegate from Turetel simply to entertain peaceable ways to alleviate a plague on this world. I for one will not lose any sleep if a former slave owner is reduced to working a minimum wage job.

As for not killing fine, but I would personally mace the guards of a slave compound given the opportunity.

And as for buying slaves from the slave owners that simply creates a business of breeding slaves faster than we can buy them. No I will not be a part of any plan that lines the pockets of a man who would presume to own another.”

Special Delegate Jackson McAbb stood," Seeing how you all seem disgusted with the ideals of a war plan, which my nation will not put behind them but will stress a red-cross plan now more then the military plan. As opinion is turning against us for wishing to free the slaves through military force I will stand by a) buying of slaves and b) International Red Cross Slave Organization that helps slaves keep healthy, fit, and in a healthy state of mind. Also I would like to note that slave's should be allowed to learn at least basic math and languistic skills. Some may disagree but an education is not something people may or should be deprived of. Some may say a revolt may occur but ideally it will probably allow the slaves to read books that the "master" gave them. Also it would allow hours of entertainment for those who wish to do so, educate each other and probably increase productivity!"
The Delegate sat down smiling with the change of stance, also hoping that all nations would consider the facts stated above and try and improve it or hurt it enough to destroy it.

I can see your point Nova. However, the point is not to drive the man out of business, but to improve the quality of life for those that he "owns". A mass escape like I proposed would make use of a special forces contingent, say the Jordaxian IRC, evacuating the slaves and moving them to a nation that will grant them citizenship. The guards at the compound would be incapacitated as far as possible rather than killed. There are efficient knockout gasses that can be used that can evacuate the slaves whilst killing nobody. Your plan to subsidise the business owner out of slavery is quite unique, but it would seem likely to have quite an effect. I shall look into it more.

(Just in case anybody can't guess, this is Jordaxia, accidently logged on as a puppet)

If you are going to be physically assaulting people in your anti-slavery quest then the FWS will have to withdraw support for your plans. You must not harm people physically or economically. Also their property must not be damaged, no blowing up bunkers etc.

I suggest you buy the slaves from the slave owners and then free them if you so desire.

Standing quickly to defend himself the Noviet delegate spoke again.

“There is no way we can fundamentally alter the economy of a country and not expect to harm someone economically. We are refraining from agreeing with the delegate from Turetel simply to entertain peaceable ways to alleviate a plague on this world. I for one will not lose any sleep if a former slave owner is reduced to working a minimum wage job.

As for not killing fine, but I would personally mace the guards of a slave compound given the opportunity.

And as for buying slaves from the slave owners that simply creates a business of breeding slaves faster than we can buy them. No I will not be a part of any plan that lines the pockets of a man who would presume to own another.”

In the event that a slaver owner must work a minimum wage job in his own nation. He may move to the FWS and be granted 100 acres of prime farm land. Provided he meets our strict immigration laws.

I propose that anybody who can meet my nations Immigration laws that wishes to abandon his slave practices, is welcomed to move to the FWS (Along with his family, provided they too meet the requirements) and will be granted 10 acres of farm land for every slave he has left behind.
I anticipate this proposal may boost the size of my population by at least several hundred thousand. Perhaps even a million. Attracting more people to my nation is important, because more people = more soldiers. And we need many soldiers to defend against any and all who would seek to attack us.

The Sarzonian delegate to the conference, Senior Vice President for External Affairs Mark Lorber, stood up.

"Gentlemen, we seem to be getting away from the purpose behind this conference. We're here to discuss the problems and offer solutions to the scourge of slavery. Let's remember that practice has no place in a modern economy.

"The idea of an International Red Cross specifically devoted to slaves sounds plausible in theory, but we have to look at it and all of our options carefully. One of Sarzonia's major problems with the Red Cross is their discriminatory stance against the gay community. If there are any slaves that happen to be members of the gay community, we can not be in the business of discriminating against them.

"As far as our options as a bloc are concerned, we can talk about incentives to slave-owning countries all we want. We can debate the merits of economic solutions until we're blue in the face, but the fact is that several countries assembled here either went to war or came close to doing so with slavery as the main cause. We need to be able to leave ourselves a military out in the event that diplomacy and other modes of persuasion are exhausted.

"FWS, I find your presence at this conference to be highly dubious with your expression of a highly discriminatory view against blacks. We can not allow any nation to treat any of its people like cattle!"

The Watertest delegate to the conference, Eric Taylor stood up

"The idea of appeasing slave nations\groups is not acceptable. Diplomacy can work, but it often just delays the initial problem or gives the slave masters more incentive to continue this trade. We cannot give slave masters money or land in return for freeing slaves…The point is not to make Slave Masters lives better, it is to free the millions of slaves and give them a better life.”

Eric then shows the assembly a picture a small boy and tells his story.

“When Francis Bok was seven years old, his mother sent him to the local market to sell eggs and beans. Suddenly, government militia forces attacked, shooting adults and rounding up children. Francis saw one girl who would not stop crying get shot in the head. When her sister burst out crying, the soldiers chopped off her foot. Strapped to a donkey and taken north, Francis was given as a slave to one of the soldiers. The man's entire family came out to greet Francis - by beating him. Every day he was forced to tend cattle, and was beaten every morning. At age 17, he ran away and broadcasted his story to WNN….he is currently preaching about how slavery is more common than ever, even in our Modern Society."

Eric stands up and glares at the audience “If this council is going to sit here arguing about whether we would anger these tyrants by using military force, then I should not be here……..

The Sarzonian delegate to the conference, Senior Vice President for External Affairs Mark Lorber, stood up.



"FWS, I find your presence at this conference to be highly dubious with your expression of a highly discriminatory view against blacks. We can not allow any nation to treat any of its people like cattle!"


We are genuinely concerned for the plight of all. We are especially concerned if there should be slave rebellions, as it might affect some of our allies. Therefore we urge them all to free then deport their slaves before it is too late. We don't want another Haiti do we? (slaves rose up in 1790s-1804, killed ALL of the whites).

I have listened to all of you bicker back and forth with no real progress. There is only one way to end slavery and that is the forcible freeing of slaves. No culture is just going to abandon slavery just because we ask them too. We must force nations to free slaves.

I have listened to all of you bicker back and forth with no real progress. There is only one way to end slavery and that is the forcible freeing of slaves. No culture is just going to abandon slavery just because we ask them too. We must force nations to free slaves.

If you attempt to use force you will lose my support. Whether that matters to you or not...

A military response is the easiest, and most certain way to deal with slavery. However, might I remind everybody that very few nations had to war with each other in order to stop the practise.Generally, emancipation is a voluntary process.

I do not care whether the tyrants would not like to have their nation glassed. However, would that not lower us to their level? A barbaric answer to a barbaric problem? Diplomatic solutions need not to be just pouring scorn on a dictatorship, it can have a real success. A combined mass "escape", combined with an already strong pressure to industrialise and reduce the costs of their practise could have strong effects. How many corporations will continue to buy slaves when they keep disappearing, and there is industrial, automated equipment that would make things even cheaper for them? It would be financial suicide for them to do that, and even if they did continue to buy slaves they would go bankrupt soon enough. We may not be able to destroy the gov'ts economy directly, but by ruining the individuals, the government would run out of money in short order.

A smile came to the face of the Noviet delegate and in the next lull in the conversation he stood up slowly to voice his opinion.

“We seem to be having a hypothetical argument about a very real problem. If we were to officially organize and locate a slave trading nation we could attempt some of these proposed solutions. When the slaves there are finally free we can come back debate our success and try again. I am hearing a lot of good ideas but chances are in practicality they will need to be altered to fit that specific circumstance.

So what I guess I’m asking is, where can we find an active slaving nation to test our theories.”

Absolutely. I had never assumed that any ideas presented would be the finalised course of action. Doubtless most of them would need changed.
Who to test in on though....

The Praetonian Delegate stood for the second time, and began another speech:

"Two small countries known as the The Deadly Viper and Woolley are slave trading and slave-trade supporting nations. I propose that we test a course of action on them. I propose that we use a method called, 'the carrot and the stick'. We will offer them considerable benefits and aid (which will be at minimal cost to us as they will spread out over many nations), that is the carrot. However, we will also inform them that if they dont stop trading in and supporting the trade of slaves, we will impose complete economic sanctions (except food and medical supplies) and blockade any ports that are involved in the trade."

Then the Praetonian Delegate retook his seat, waiting for the responce to his proposal.

I have watched previous business of The Deadly Viper.....The government is quick to anger and has started wars because another nation didn't agree with him on barcoding his civilians......He has also launched a sucicidal campaign to rid his nation of all "Ugly" girls....... Considering his past actions I would assume that the moment that this council got the slightest bit hostile, he would threaten to kill all of his slaves and declare war on all of us.....Woolley isn't much better, from what I've witnessed he is an ally of The Deadly Viper, so if we go against one the other will show up.......

OOC: Look at this thread....They can't RP.....http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=143617&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

(OOC: Funny stuff.)
What do I care if he declares war on me? The sea around Jordaxia will run red with blood.
I say that we try our techniques on him, and if he declares war on us, so be it.

(That was an unnecessarily violent response from the Jordaxian Emperor.)

OOC: Cool Jordaxia has turned into a guy called Bob.

IC: I agree. Viper does say he has nuclear weaponary (OOC: He is over a month old and has 170+ million), but I think it is worth a try. If it escalates we can always back down.

He's my super uber big puppet. He's a big 2.5 billion puppet. If anybody suffers attacks from the slavers, he'll come down on them like a couple of hundred tons of bricks.

After watching this chat going on Jackson stood up.

"What I have seen is that a majority of people want to place either embargoes and sanctions or go to war. Both are truely hard to accomplish ideals. As most nations that have slaves are not dependant on an outside economic source (Phrase Quoted) and going to war threatens to destroy the colalition entirely. In my opinon though of the above two options war would be the most effective to end the slave nations ideals but with a higher cost to us and having to rebuild, but at that same time freeing slaves. Also though Embargo's will work on any nation dependant on outside trade, like this Viper person. A blockade would not only cripple the economy but also stop the slave trade. So it is in the greater ideals of this Conference that we call upon to see what course of action we should test first on what nation."

The Delegate sat down, relieved that he got through that without running out of time. He also hoped that the issue could be resolved and tested soon. The nation of Turetel's high number of people and supplies would definently help in this fight against the slave holding nations. As Turetel was recently assisting rebels in Fascist White States before the war ended with the Sarin Gasing of the Rebelling African's. Turetel was ready to assist any nation against the slave traders and owners, at any time.

ooc: I'm not interested in RPing something with anyone who has a lack of ability in the specifics of RPing, like grammer.

ooc: I'm not interested in RPing something with anyone who has a lack of ability in the specifics of RPing, like grammer.

If you are talking about me tell me, it makes it easier. And some words I just do not know how to spell, and other times I type to fast, so I will over see my typing better, but if you have something to say about me just say it out-loud instead of beating-around-the-bush.
Thanks,

Turetel

The FWS delegate got up from his seat and began to speak

"They were not in the FWS rebelling against us, they were in their own lands peacefully and thought they would invade... Well, we showed them (Smiles), what we did; we did because we had to. Granted we didn't like it. But what was their excuse for rising against their racial brothers in the UOBP... The Coastal Tribals have always been warlike. That is why the army of the Black Tribal Council requested FWS military aide. We have a habit of being too nice though; we almost always go to the aide of our neighboring regions when they ask.

Furthermore, President Rhodes has volunteered to turn over all the "evil weapons" you claim we have. What threat did these self-defense weapons ever pose to anybody? They were never used except to put down aggressors and stop potential genocide against our allies in the Western Province. The Black Tribal council approved the bio-weapons attack on Central Province. And the FWS General Staff approved the earlier chemical attack on Western Province... Our nation clearly has shifting alliances, but we feel we are working to build a better region for everybody.

To conclude, your continued portrayal of our nation as a backwards-imperialistic bully is not only atrocious but is a massive falsehood. And I will not stand for it. We have only ever sought to ensure our continued existence."

"I bid you all farewell."

With those words the FWS Delegate walked out of the conference hall.

ooc: I'm not interested in RPing something with anyone who has a lack of ability in the specifics of RPing, like grammer.

If you are talking about me tell me, it makes it easier. And some words I just do not know how to spell, and other times I type to fast, so I will over see my typing better, but if you have something to say about me just say it out-loud instead of beating-around-the-bush.
Thanks,

Turetel

OOC:
lol crap man no. Jeez I meant Mr. 'Nuce' in the other thread. lol no man I haven't seen any problem with you. The deadly viper and his ally.

But as for RPing with them I am willing to give it a shot but I am not interested in bad RP.

FYI this is not directed towards anyone who has posted in this thread thus far.

And Tur if your worried about your spelling copy past from a spellchecker like word. *I repeat that the above was not a dig at you. I don't make ooc digs at ppl. IC its all fair game*

Sorry Nova, I just jumped to that conclusion.

ooc: I'm not interested in RPing something with anyone who has a lack of ability in the specifics of RPing, like grammer.

[OOC: And the guy who says this spells GRAMMAR wrong!]

The FWS delegate got up from his seat and began to speak

To conclude, your continued portrayal of our nation as a backwards-imperialistic bully is not only atrocious but is a massive falsehood. And I will not stand for it. We have only ever sought to ensure our continued existence."

"I bid you all farewell."

With those words the FWS Delegate walked out of the conference hall.

Good riddance, Lorber thought as the FWS delegate walked out of the hall.

Jackson stood, up, by now the only Turetelian Delegate that had not gone back to the hotel for some shut-eye, but then again he was trained in Covert Operations and Special Skills," I say, that we must soon think of what we are to do, I beg you all. The options are a- Military, b- Red Cross, c- International Blockade/Sanctions*, or d- All of The Above. Sorry if I have missed any ideas but I am a bit tired at the moment, *yawn*, I will stay here but hope we can reach a choice by tommorrow."

Jackson stood, up, by now the only Turetelian Delegate that had not gone back to the hotel for some shut-eye, but then again he was trained in Covert Operations and Special Skills," I say, that we must soon think of what we are to do, I beg you all. The options are a- Military, b- Red Cross, c- International Blockade/Sanctions*, or d- All of The Above. Sorry if I have missed any ideas but I am a bit tired at the moment, *yawn*, I will stay here but hope we can reach a choice by tommorrow."

Lorber stood up, relieved that the FWS delegate left but he gave Turetel a quizzical look.

"I say let's be willing to keep ALL options. We can beg, plead, cajole, or threaten, but sometimes, we have to do something to make people pay attention."

Agreed. And it's half 4 in the a.m here, so I'm going to bed.

ooc: I'm not interested in RPing something with anyone who has a lack of ability in the specifics of RPing, like grammer.

[OOC: And the guy who says this spells GRAMMAR wrong!]

ooc: lol well isn't there egg on my face :P besides it was an occ comment.

Jackson, after dozing off in the Delegate chair awoke to someone asking to keep all options open. "Why of course we should keep all options open, but the few I have seen are either Miltiary, Economic Sanctions, or Red Cross style assistance. Besides we must act now or this conference will go to waste my fellow delegates. Lets find a slave nation and test one of our ways."

Sitting back down and rubbing his eyes he asked for an aide to bring him some strong coffee.Good riddance am I sore.

The Praetonian Delegate rose from his seat, and took the podium once again:

"I stand by what I said before. The nation called The Deadly Viper is a openly slave-trade supporting nation, and I believe that our methods should be tested on him, and his ally Woolley (among others). We do not however believe that invasion ids the answer. We cannot, in my opinion, might one evil with another. Please inform us of your support, and we can start an operation."

The Praetonian Delegate sat down, waiting for the responce of the other delegates.

ooc: I've reconsidered. He is improving from what I see. He’s new yet trying so what the hey.

IC:

Robert Blanely rose to his feet. Now early morning the conference had taken a lull as people weren’t coming to the same passions they had before.

“My honorable host and fellow delegates I am in agreement with the Praetonian suggestion and Nova Hope will move forward with the elimination of slavery within the country of The Deadly Viper. I believe that the coalition pick one country at a time and move forward. I believe that our first step be the request to send inspectors to determine that he in fact does posses slaves that haven’t committed a crime before the commencement of their life of servitude. The only reason I mention this is because it could be a draconian form of punishment and I am interested in ending slavery and not reforming a penal system.

If the inspectors are refused Nova Hope is willing to donate the services of our special forces. We have a well funded and trained Special Forces division which accounts for %2 of the budget. Our special forces, with an invitation to other countries special forces, will proceed to suspected areas of slave encampments.

It is from there that this coalition can proceed onward democratically deciding on what the course of action is best to next to follow.

Now,” Robert smiled, he was fairly sure he was rousing the interests of his fellow delegates. “We need a name and declaration of intent for ourselves. I am content to let this responsibility to rest on our host.”

Ooc: This would also include starting the thread, TGing deadly viper and post the link to the new thread here.

The Praetonian Delegate was ushered out of the room in the middle of the Nova Hope Delegate's speech, much to his annoyance. When he returned, he waited for the Nova Hope Delegate to step down, and then took the podium himself:

"Ladies and Gentlemen, it appears that events have preceeded us. A coalition of nations, including Praetonia, are ready to invade The Deadly Viper, because of repeated threats and human rights violtions. Therefore, if any nations among you wish to support, now is the time. This is not, however, the end of the conference, as the war on the Deadly Viper is primarily to do with the aforementioned threats and not wholey their slave-trade supporting status."

The Praetonian Delegate stepped down. The audience sat in stunned silence.

OOC: What is the thread?

"Ladies and Gentlemen, it appears that events have preceeded us. A coalition of nations, including Praetonia, are ready to invade The Deadly Viper, because of repeated threats and human rights violtions. Therefore, if any nations among you wish to support, now is the time. This is not, however, the end of the conference, as the war on the Deadly Viper is primarily to do with the aforementioned threats and not wholey their slave-trade supporting status."

The Praetonian Delegate stepped down. The audience sat in stunned silence.

Lorber sat in silence for a moment, then pulled out his cell phone. The phone rang in President Mike Sarzo's office.

"Sarzo."

"Listen to this," Lorber said. He played the speech by the Praetonian delegate.

"Well, I'll be damned."

"What do you think we should do, Mike?"

"Contact Parliament. Let them know what's going on and mobilize a fleet. We'll go there to observe. Hopefully, it won't come to another war, but we'll see what Parliament suggests from there."

"Very well." Lorber hung up the phone, then rose to his feet.

"Sarzonia will send a fleet to The Deadly Viper in support of the actions of Praetonia," Lorber said. "We hold out hope that we will not be mobilized into a state of war, but if we must, we will send our sons and daughters into the fight."

Lorber sat down, still in disbelief from the events of the conference. Now things were progressing much faster than anyone in Sarzonia thought.

The call came to Commodore Brenda Davis, rousing her from sleep. She was ordered to take a fleet to The Deadly Viper with three Soverign-class aircraft carriers, seven battleships, 12 cruisers, 10 air defense and 10 general purpose destroyers, and 25 frigates, plus assorted support ships. Eight attack submarines and two ballistic missile submarines also set off for The Dealy Viper's shores.

"So much for a shakedown mission," Davis said. My first fleet action and it's going to be this, she thought. Well, Patinkin needs a break.

Looking slightly perturbed at this circumstance which had contradicted him the Noviet delegate spoke from his seat without standing.
“We will not be supporting anything uninformed, I will return to my room and contact my government before announcing the decision of our elected officials. With a furrowed brow Blanely exited the conference room. Muttering to himself about this better have not been a cart before the horse thing.

OOC: thread is?

The nation of USA JD would love to attend, we will be sending both our leader, minister of labor force and culture etc. to attend so a few of us basically, are we welcome? If so we will be attending.

Robert Blanely stood up and looked across the few delegates left. They were vacant faces for the most part, no longer engaged in the conference in front of them.
“And now, we have done what I feared. This conference has all but evaporated and the problem we had hoped to solve has not even had a temporary suave applied.” Looking disgusted Robert sat back down, looking like he had a bad taste in his mouth.

Robert Blanely stood up and looked across the few delegates left. They were vacant faces for the most part, no longer engaged in the conference in front of them.
“And now, we have done what I feared. This conference has all but evaporated and the problem we had hoped to solve has not even had a temporary suave applied.” Looking disgusted Robert sat back down, looking like he had a bad taste in his mouth.

the Progressive Empire of Jordaxia is not a blank face, but we have been an active contributor. We have been waiting for someone else to say something. Unfortunately, it all descended to violence, and I was disillusioned with this whole "peaceful" conference. Naturally, it had the results I expected, we stopped slavery, but it was poor nonetheless.

the Progressive Empire of Jordaxia is not a blank face, but we have been an active contributor. We have been waiting for someone else to say something. Unfortunately, it all descended to violence, and I was disillusioned with this whole "peaceful" conference. Naturally, it had the results I expected, we stopped slavery, but it was poor nonetheless.

ooc: I didn't know the thread in question so I never got to see the coalition in action. Could you post the link. And I said many not all.

The Turetel Delegate Jackson McAbb still there after nearly 3 months, and never leaving the room had only a few things to say,"I agree with the Novain Ambassador and I stress that this conference do more action!"

What was resolved with deadly viper? What's the next subject? We are willing!

What was resolved with deadly viper? What's the next subject? We are willing!

The Praetonian Delegate stood up once more, to speak to the recently reassembled delgates:

"I hope that you have enjoyed your stay in Praetonia while the conference has been on hold. Now I shall tell you of the war on The Deadly Viper. Once the Coalition Fleet was assembled and landing troops were preparing to land, TDV launched a nuclear missile at this country, as I am sure you will know. Once it had been shot down, TDV surrendered and the slave trade was stopped. Please note that his allies are still trying to 'liberate' his country and reinstate the dictatorship (we are installing a democracy), they will most likely lose, however, and also note that this war was primarily caused by constant threats that TDV made against many nations, not slavery. I will leave it up tothis conference to draw it's own conclusions as to whether or not this war affects our policy with regards to stopping slave-trading nations."

Jackson stood up," I'm disgusted, we have completed nothing."

OOC: Post later.

BUMP

I'd like to revive this as interest faded away due to the war against The Deadly Viper, but this is becoming a more relavant issue. Anyone interested may send delegates, everyone who already signed up can continue.

BUMP

I'd like to revive this as interest faded away due to the war against The Deadly Viper, but this is becoming a more relavant issue. Anyone interested may send delegates, everyone who already signed up can continue.

ooc: I'm not sure but I think I started using my delegate in another thread :oops: I'll look. If so I'll send him, or another again. If not I'd continue this as I find the goals to be worthy albeit we envision an ends with no obvious means.