NationStates Jolt Archive

Earlier today, Austar Union broke all relations with Credonia over an incident that they themselves started. The event started when Austar Union flew a "diplomatic" plane into Mildonia without making contact. Well within their rights, the Mildonian government ordered the shooting down of the aircraft after several unsuccessful attempts were made to contact the crew. Soon after, the GDODAD and RBA alliances declared war on Austar Union and forced Credonia to sit this war out or else Credonia's allies along with Credonia would be anialated along with Austar Union. Credonia along with other close allies to Austar Union declared neutrality in the situaton, however, Austar Union became enraged when Credonia refused to provide military assistance. They then began raiding Credonian embassies within AU and expelling our citizens and government officials (ambassadors etc.). Credonia responded in a non-violent and non aggressive way stating the following:

Official Statement From Emperor Sutton
"Credonia is appaled by the actions of Austar Union. Believe what you will, but I am not willing to compromise the lives of billions of my people, adn my allies for a mistake that you made and that you are paying for. The declaration of war upon you was in fact sparked purposefully by you, and for that, Credonia did not want to get directly involved, on top of that, we were blackmailed into not getting involved. You can throw a temper tantrum about this if you want, but once you step back and take a look at what you have hjust done, you will realize that you have made a mistake, with no one to run to.

Credonia will be the bigger nation not respond in such a way AU has. If any austarians wish to stay in Credonia, they may so do. If not, they may leave. We will gladly pay for their airfare to return to Austar Union. Thank you and God bless"

Credonia formally protests the impulsive actions taken by Austar Union in dealing with a situation that is not in the least bit Credonia's fault. We ask that no nations of the international community support Austar Union as he is showing the the hidden, sadistic, and overly aggressive side of AU. Credonia has acted in a manner that will ensure the protection of Credonian lives and the lives of her allies as they are just as important. We are, however, sorry that we were not and am not able to provide any assistance (Due to military pressure being put on Credonia by both the GDODAD and RBA alliances).

Relevant Threads/Proof
Diplomatic Aircraft flys into Midlonian Airspace (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144339)

RBA & GDODAD Declare a State of War with Austar Union (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144571)

Austar Union officially cuts all ties to Credonia (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=144765)

I'm curious... how did the RBA and GDODAD get to the state of war over (and correct me if I'm wrong) a plane flying into their allies nations. It wasn't a military plane and Mildonia reacted as any nation in the world would...

However, beyond this incident I didn't see Austar Union mobilising troops for a war with Mildonia, I didn't see any direct hostility between both nations... it's just one incident which resulted in the death of Austar Union officials, no Mildonians were injured in the incident.

So how does a group of alliances turn this incident into a reason to go to war? Honestly, I could understand if this incident was a plot to give Austar Union the justification for war... seeing as they were the ones who suffered loss, but I seriously doubt they intended to make someone else declare war on them... there is nothing worth declaring war over. Mildonia reacted correctly and didn't take losses, so there is no reason there and Austar Union didn't declare war over this incident.

So how did the RBA and GDODAD work out that war was the correct action? Well it would seem to suggest to me that Austar Union wasn't the one who wanted a war, I don't beleive they would be so stupid as use a diplomatic plane to get the others to start a war seeing as no sane nation justifies war in such a way...

Just somehow someone justified a war with:

"They fly a non-military plane into our allies nation, our ally shoots plane down because of lack of communication and the danger is such that we must stop Austar Union from sending more non-military planes for us to shoot down"...

What the hell? So tell me, is this the real reason they threatened invasion? Is this the real reason they were prepared to pit millions of soldiers to their untimely deaths? How the hell can any nations justify a war with this peice of crap?

Now I here that the war has stopped, which is a good thing, hopefully my ally hasn't lost anything more then their ego in this affair. But it shouldn't have ended because of "diplomatic pressure" from nations jumping on the band wagon... it shouldn't have started at all.

I don't know what to think of those allies whom gave up on their mutual assistance pacts, I just hope they are pleased with their action, for we are not.

Thanks,

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Lord General deGritz, leader of the Iuthian people.
Urbanites (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=Urbanites)

Apply for an Embassy in Iuthia (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=127023&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
OOC Information on Iuthia (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=109898&highlight=)

OOC: Note that Iuthia is fully willing to not support Austar Union if they actually started something, but given all the actual events that have happened I don't see any reason for me not to honour my agreement with AU. If RBA and GDODAD had a good reason and proof that AU really is a serious threat then I probably would have stood aside, but the truth is they didn't... this one of the worst excuses for starting a war I have ever seen.

We share the same common questions. In fact, I approached Dr_Twist about it and asked him where the TRUE justification for war ways, yet he instead told me that factions inside the RBA and GDODAD alliances hated AU. I myself am personally upalled by such a low attempt to try to drag a nation to war only to be totally destroyed.

As for his allies that abandoned him and disregarded the Mutual Assistance Pact, Credonia frowns upon them as they had no real justification in not coming to AU's defense. This was not the case with Credonia. We were FORCED by blackmail by the RBA and GDODAD alliances to not get involved. The whole complete situation is detailed in a post i made on the concordia forums yesterday evening. Me declaring a neutral stance was not of self choice. The decision was forced upon me to be made, and i made it to protect Credonia, my allies, and my fiancee and her nation.

We share the same common questions. In fact, I approached Dr_Twist about it and asked him where the TRUE justification for war ways, yet he instead told me that factions inside the RBA and GDODAD alliances hated AU. I myself am personally upalled by such a low attempt to try to drag a nation to war only to be totally destroyed.

As for his allies that abandoned him and disregarded the Mutual Assistance Pact, Credonia frowns upon them as they had no real justification in not coming to AU's defense. This was not the case with Credonia. We were FORCED by blackmail by the RBA and GDODAD alliances to not get involved. The whole complete situation is detailed in a post i made on the concordia forums yesterday evening. Me declaring a neutral stance was not of self choice. The decision was forced upon me to be made, and i made it to protect Credonia, my allies, and my fiancee and her nation.

You will see my response on the Concordia forums

OCC: Any evidence on such level was OCC based.

Austar Union and Credonia had planned out a massive 9 Step Plan taking into World Reaction and possible outcomes for a war with Midlonia. It was Clear to us that they had no Interest at all in Peace with Midlonia and were only interested in War with Modlonia because there relations were short.

Such Evidence does exist as it Shows in his Wedding thread he declared a State of war with Midlonia in an attempt to arrest there Empower.

The RBA and GDODAD took action in an attempt to Kill off the possible Situation by declaring a State of in an attempt to bring around Instant diplomatic talks between the Nations involved to stop what was becoming a very Unstable situation.

We moved fast and added massive amounts of Pressure to that nations involved in an attempt to bring peace, as you can see there was no blood baths, there was no war.

I didnt plan out anything with AU. AU's actions actually came to a surprise to me as i dont know what in the hec he was doing.

I didnt plan out anything with AU. AU's actions actually came to a surprise to me as i dont know what in the hec he was doing.

OOC: Ahem, actually it was you who begged ME to be a part of it. I still hadnt made a decision whether or not to be involved with the invasion of Midlonia. So in fact, I got punished for YOUR deeds Credonia.

OOCL: yes i did ask you, yet you were not part of the plan, a plan which has been created weeks back around the time you were vouching for Mildonia when he leaked those OOC comments IC to the RIA

Xaniqall proposes that the two of you settle this with a good old fashioned duel.

Credonia is returning to its peaceful ways, we no longer "duel" with other nations as we once did

Austar Union and Credonia had planned out a massive 9 Step Plan taking into World Reaction and possible outcomes for a war with Midlonia. It was Clear to us that they had no Interest at all in Peace with Midlonia and were only interested in War with Modlonia because there relations were short.

Such Evidence does exist as it Shows in his Wedding thread he declared a State of war with Midlonia in an attempt to arrest there Empower.

The RBA and GDODAD took action in an attempt to Kill off the possible Situation by declaring a State of in an attempt to bring around Instant diplomatic talks between the Nations involved to stop what was becoming a very Unstable situation.

We moved fast and added massive amounts of Pressure to that nations involved in an attempt to bring peace, as you can see there was no blood baths, there was no war.

What evidence? That Mildonia and Credonia had a arguement in a private affair? The only thing that Austar Union did during that conference was to secure his own leader when a threat presented itself... afterall the Mildonian's drew their weapons first.

I don't see any corherant evidence to suggest that there were indeed a plot to start a war with Mildonia in AU.

All I see are two alliances which used to hate each other ganging up on Austar Union over what seemed to be a non-military plane being shot down in Mildonia... if you had the proof of your alligations I wouldn't be so offended but it's the fact that without proof and without clear justification you declared war on my ally (as questionable as their actions may have been) as a way of creating "peace".

There are millions of better ways of using diplomacy Dr. Twist, and you have shown that the RBA (like the GDODAD) can only conduct diplomacy with a big stick like a pair of cavemen.

Yes, peace exists, however peace existed prior to your declaring war. Had you got the proper justification I wouldn't care so much, but as things stand I will support Austar Union untill there is damn good proof. I utterly condemn your warmongering ways in opposed to true clean diplomacy.

OOC: Looks like Credonia has been pacified by the threat of GDODAD and the RBA. However until there is proof the RIA is considdering giving support to A.U.

"Rotovia stands in support of Credonia against the actions of GDODAD which at best can be described as rash and dangerous. The nations who claim membership to this said alliance should be ashamed of their actions that are wreckless and irresponsable"

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