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Despite FCN's attitude AGAINST bettering relations with Credonia, I will still be the bigger man in asking for an opening of relations with our two great nations to make way for peace and prosperity my people and his people alike. Failure to give any real effort to make peace between our two nations will only show to Credonia and the rest of the world FCN's devotion to keep from maintaining peace, which would be detramental to the overall well being of the international community. It will also bring to question his true motives and intentions. He says he is a peaceful nation, FCN, if you are then prove it and spare yourself the embarrasement of being called a hypocrit. The general international community of caring nations is a peaceful institution and such behavior is not inline with the morals or values established by it.

In addition, to all peacefull allies and friends of 5CN, if 5CN openly refuses to accept a peace offer, then you must question 5CN and ask yourselves, is this the kind of nation that you would want to be friends and allies with. While Credonia has had its bad times, it is is making up, and while relations between Credonia and 5CN have hit rock bottom where the only path we that seemed to be traveling was towards all out war (it would have happened eventually), Credonia is making an effort to patch relations. While the past cannot be erased and our aggressive actions forgotten, we can be forgiving of one another for the sake of international peace and love between international brothers.

So with that being said, Five Civilized Nations, I CHALLENGE you to come to peaceful terms and put forth effort towards making peace between our two peoples regardless of the past, because the past is just what it is, and we can all move on and learn from our mistakes, leading to more fruitful relations and a closer relationship in the future. So if you are truly devoted to peace like you say you are, I challenge you to put forth VISIBLE effort to make peace with Credonia. Failure to do so will put the legitamacy of your "efforts" towards international peace in question and would misalign your nation with the morals, values, and general attitude towards peace in the world.

To all Credonian friends and allies, should Five Civilized Nations continue to refuse to the agreement of peace, I ask that you help me contain FCN aggression towards Credonia, for Credonia is turning into the once totally peaceful nation it once was and active offensive aggression towards us would be in violation of international law and would endanger the peace of the international community. Such aggression could lead to the loss of countless innocent lives of men, women, and children of all ages, races sexes, and nationalities, so i humbly ask you for your support against any type of aggression from FCN should he refuse Credonia's peace offer.

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Why challenge if you are looking for peace? All Doujin sees this as, is a political power play to try and make Credonia look better than Five Civilized Nations. With that, there is no "International Law". The only way there would be "International Law", is if every nation got together and signed it into existence.

A nation can be "aggressive". There is nothing extremely wrong with that. As long as he doesn't go to the point where he invades everyone, aggressive policies of foreign relations are something that exists. Two plus two equals five, and Doujin can live with that.

You issued this "challenge", knowing that Five Civilized Nations would most likely not accept. Not accepting would, at least in your mind, justify gaining allies and going to war - using this as an "attempt" for peace, and that it was shot down so now you need to force peace upon Five Civilized Nations.

In closing, Doujin does not support this political power play by Credonia, and to clarify itself does not support Five Civilized Nation's aggressive foreign policy towards Credonia.

Emperor Maxwell Miller,
Empire of Doujin

Why challenge if you are looking for peace? All Doujin sees this as, is a political power play to try and make Credonia look better than Five Civilized Nations. With that, there is no "International Law". The only way there would be "International Law", is if every nation got together and signed it into existence.



International Law DOES excist. It's just the basic code of conduct that nations must follow. You have got to be very stupid and ignorant if you think it doesn't excist.

Here at Iuthia we would like to point out that we support all attempts to peacefully resolve situation we were not aware of any particular aggression from the Five Civilized Nations towards Credonia, perhaps a little bit of animosity towards them but we haven't seen anything which has been acted upon.

As such we support this attempt for diplomacy even if it is in the form of a "Challenge"... it's important for nations to at least try and while its not the best form of peace offering I've ever seen it is still something which is better then nothing.

However, due to the nature of the current relations between Five Civilized Nations and Credonia we can't actually see any incidents which suggest that "Containment" is required. However we have not been keeping up... meanwhile as far as Iuthia is aware there are no actual "International Laws" unless you are part of the UN, and they don't actually have any ruling on this subject. It's up to each individual nation to not piss off all the others, the world is mob rule I'm afraid.

Thanks none the less,

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International Law DOES excist. It's just the basic code of conduct that nations must follow. You have got to be very stupid and ignorant if you think it doesn't excist.

OOC: Funny really, I wasn't aware that there were any international laws governing my nation, as far as I'm concerned I will act as I please and if another nation has a problem with it they can do something about it... but I've not seen anything writen down anywhere. I have not signed up for any international laws.

However, I do conduct my nations affairs with care and I treat other nations with respect in the hope they will do the same. There are no laws saying they should treat me the same and I wouldn't expect them to... a "Basic Code of Conduct" may exist but it's nothing solid or binding, it's just a good way of dealing with people.

So no, there is no international law in NS, this isn't the real world and I don't treat it as such.

OOC: Maybe in Real Life, but in nationstates there is no such thing. At minimal, there is an International Standard which most nations are expected to hold to. But people don't have to adhere to any standard. And for you to so quickly go straight to insults, "very stupid and ignorant", is rather low. Refrain from insulting people on here, ok? At least OOCly. Do it all you want ICly.

Doujin further points out that Credonia is capitalizing and exploiting on Five Civilized Nations, on the fact that (he) cares about how the public see's his nation. Credonia is painting an aggressive picture on him, and it's hard to remove that. If Five Civilized Natiosn doesn't accept this, Doujin will support them, however diplomacy would be good. Credonia's way of trying to bring about peace between the two nations are a far cry from diplomacy, and as said before is nothing more than a political power play. Doujin would be glad to host a conference between Credonia and Five Civilized Nations where they could sit down and improve relations, which would be a true attempt at peace.

Emperor Maxwell Miller,
Empire of Doujin

The Republic of Ozymandias IV is saddened to see Credonia's latest attempt to bully another nation-state into doing what it demands.

It was Credonia who broke with the IADF and severed relations with both the Republic and the FCN. Perhaps that slight angered them more than it did our Ruling Council? In any case, it is not up to Credonia to demand friendship.

While we do not want to see open conflict between these two states, if the FCN decide that they do not want to have open relations with the Empire of Credonia, that is their choice and we will support it.

- Umberto IV,
SecInfo

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OOC

Jesus Christ, Credonia sure has strange way to make peace!

Using the threat of force to coerce nations into opening up diplomatic relations?

What does FCN think about this?

OCC: /me pulls up Chair and some popcorn and prepares for the long haul for the new Drama movie.

TAG.

This is not an attempt to "bully" another nation. This is an attempt to place peace between our nations. He has OPENLY stated in the past (just days ago actually) that he does not care for PEACEFUL relations thus adding to the impression that he does not wish for there to be any kind of peace between is, whether ir just me mutual peace or no contact at all, but peace is better than open hostility, which could ignite at any given time over any issue. It is in the best interest of my people to try to bring about peace in any way shape or form and however i see it necessary. If FCN refuses to accept peace, when no one is pressuring him or even threatening him, and he continues to make small hints of going to war (which he has stated in the past), then I have no other choice than to resort to a new diplomatic strategy, just short of military actions, and acting upon Credonia's new military and foreign policy doctrine.


EDIT: This is not to use force against him. I called upon my allies for help to contain FCN aggression SHOULD HE take military actions against Credonia. I never said we would strike preemptively

OOC: Maybe in Real Life, but in nationstates there is no such thing. At minimal, there is an International Standard which most nations are expected to hold to. But people don't have to adhere to any standard. And for you to so quickly go straight to insults, "very stupid and ignorant", is rather low. Refrain from insulting people on here, ok? At least OOCly. Do it all you want ICly.

Doujin further points out that Credonia is capitalizing and exploiting on Five Civilized Nations, on the fact that (he) cares about how the public see's his nation. Credonia is painting an aggressive picture on him, and it's hard to remove that. If Five Civilized Natiosn doesn't accept this, Doujin will support them, however diplomacy would be good. Credonia's way of trying to bring about peace between the two nations are a far cry from diplomacy, and as said before is nothing more than a political power play. Doujin would be glad to host a conference between Credonia and Five Civilized Nations where they could sit down and improve relations, which would be a true attempt at peace.

Emperor Maxwell Miller,
Empire of Doujin

We would like to enquire Doujin, why you appear to be making a habit of harrassing your allies at the moment. This is Credonia's own way of dealing with the situation, and whilst it is not nessasarly YOUR favorite way, it does not concern you.

SOME people need to learn when to keep their national communications shut, and when to open them.

The Emperor laughed heartily at Austar Union's comment, "We call it as we see it."

OOC:Maybe if you TGed 5CN, he'd reply.

"The Five Civilized Nations has no comment at this point," replied the Vice Foreign Minister Shi Jin when asked about the Credonian statement with regards to reestablishment and normalizing of the strained relations between the two nations.

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Five Civilized Nations Citadel--Emergency Cabinet Meeting--1545 hours

The engimatic leader of the Five Civilized Nations, Emperor Amadeus Crusade, sat back quietly as he listened to his ministers speak about the situation.

The Foreign Minister, Zhong Da, sitting to the left of the emperor, spoke quietly to the gathered ministers. "Credonia seeks to rebuild our relations. Its trying to leverage our position within the IADF to normalize our strained relations..."

In anger, the aging Defense Minister Rayus Noventa, snorted when he heard Zhong Da speak. His voice strident and filled with anger, Noventa said, "Screw Credonia... Joining the IADF was a mistake... We have been practically funding its military organization by ourselves..."

The Emperor frowned when he heard his Defense Minister speak. Speaking for the first time during the meeting, Emperor interrupted Noventa and said, "We will attempt to renormalize with Credonia, but we will keep a wary eye upon it... Meanwhile, we will reconsider our role within the International Allied Defense Federation... If we find that our role is unacceptable, we will withdraw."

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Shi Jin before the cameras read the prepared document.

"The Five Civilized Nations will not normalize relations with the nation of Credonia, until we receive concrete evidence that it has changed its imperialistic ways. In the meantime, we will seek to rebuild our strained relations within our mutual ties to the International Allied Defense Federation."

Durtistan's official position on this matter is that a challenge to make peace should be supported. While we agree that the manner and tone of the proposal is novel, we feel that given the past history of emnity between the two parties perhaps novelty is the best road forward.

Consequently, Durtistan applauds Credonia's intentions and desire for better relations and we hope that Five Civilized Nations will see this as perhaps less of a challenge to its committment to peace and more of an opportunity to lead the international community by example.

- Alden Brayd, Foreign Secretary, Durtistan.

Interesting how you are contradicting yourself:

"Speaking for the first time during the meeting, Emperor interrupted Noventa and said, "We will attempt to renormalize with Credonia, but we will keep a wary eye upon it..."

"The Five Civilized Nations will not normalize relations with the nation of Credonia, until we receive concrete evidence that it has changed its imperialistic ways"

(OOC: The emergency cabinet meeting is closed off, and I only showed it for a reason, to show that there is disagreement, i.e. it was secret IC

And: "In the meantime, we will seek to rebuild our strained relations within our mutual ties to the International Allied Defense Federation.")

(ooc:You could always slap credonia :? )