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Phaerus News Reports - New Alliance Pact formed

Zoogiedom today announced the formation of a new alliance, an alliance of aerial powers. After an air conference held in Zoogiedom for the past few weeks, a pact will be drafted to bind together these nations in an alliance (non-regional).

The following nations have attended or expressed a wish to attend the conference. Only those who have participated, helped, or attended will be referred to as founding members.

Jordaxia
Great Mateo
New Empire
Doujin
Raysia
GameFAQ
Omz222
Soviet Bloc
A Few Rich People
Tomzilla
Durtistan
Fluffywuffy
Sileetris
Ise
_Taiwan
Celtayoshi
Autonomous City-States
Kotterdam
Al-Sabir
Shildonia
Crookfur
MacLeod03
Chardonay
Anatoray
Northrop Grumman
Lashuga
Feazanthia *
IDF
New New Kiwizeland
The Angry Junkies
Anarresa
Adaptus Astrates
United Elias
Nuevo Kowloon


* - Feazanthia is on suspension in diplomacy by the Zoogie Government for the present.

Other nations may be appointed to the Founding Member status.

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I'd say that the actual signing should be in a week or two, when the council is officially formed. Debate about the pact should be made in this thread.

Continued from this thread: http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=138557

And then tomorrow comes the terrible task of telegramming all...*sighs*

I'll help, Zoogie.

Do you mind if I join this alliance/council thing?

Intresting.

TAG.

Well, we are certainly hopeful that we can be useful to the alliance.
(this is like an aerial OMP, yeah?)

Okay...thanks, Doujin. Phoenixius, no, I don't mind, although you won't be able to be considered a founding member...and Jordaxia, yeah, the OMP is where I got the idea.

GM would be pleased to join this alliance, and is willing to help Zoogie officials in creating any formal charter or other documentation involved with the creation of said alliance.

The Dominion is certainly in - And might I note that CAP seems an appropriate acronym for an alliance of air powers.

Ah I don't mind not being able to be a founding member.

We would also be pleased to join this group of nations.

New Empire, sign up at the forums. We're glad that you will be joining as well...yeah, Kotterdam, at first I thought of Federation, because that seemed like an appropriate word, but the acronym...well. Great Mateo is welcome.

We are interested in joining this organisation, barring we would not like to be forced to share weapons technology. Would that be OK?

Of course, there are no obligations to share your technology...there is only the obligation of alliance.

Have registered on the forums ;)

Mind if the Fed union joins ?

I thought you were space tech?

I go back and forth from space to mod tech its better that way .

we would like to join.

I'll join, sorry I haven't particpated in talks though :oops:

That's fine. You're such a recognized air power it would be a crime not to consider you a founding member. Esryia, we'd have to vote, I don't know you.

Kaz...haha. Well, tell her it's a math thing...

Phoenixius, just approved your account.

Zoogie, nice to see you.

I will, of course, join.

OOC: P.S. My mum finds the name Zoogie amusing.

Have registered, am waiting to be allowed in.

:? ...

1 considers joining but What use would i have.... I anit much use to anyone these days...

So can the fed union join ???

The FallschrimmJager Government would be interested in joining this endevour. It is of course common knowledge among intteligence agencies that FallschrimmJager(Lead by FallCorp.) does not maintain a military as is understood by conventional standards. R ather we rely on our allies and regional defense forces for such matters and are in the process of devoting what would be our military budget to an international logistics program. Which could be concivably helpful in these cercumstances.

Jager, you might need to keep in mind that to be an air power... You need a, y'know, air force.

can I join as well?

TFU, I answered on the last page...I thought you were future tech? If not, then that's fine with me.

Dr. Twist, if you wish to join, you would be welcome to....as with FallschrimmJager. You don't have a military, however...Al-Sabir, I believe you were at the air conference, and would be more than welcome. For TFU, Dr. Twist, and FallschrimmJager, we'd have to vote.

Jager, you might need to keep in mind that to be an air power... You need a, y'know, air force.
Actually, you need also need well trained ground crews for maintenance, field engineers(combat engineers) for actually setting up say a runway in hostile enviorments(unless your pilots do this, with their planes).
You need SatCom up to the second intelligence, you need theatre surveilence, you need cooks to feed your pilots and ground crew, you need cargo planes to hual your gear(unless your airforce has redefined the term "multi-role fighter"). Actually a military with superior Logistical support has a clear advantage over just about anything else. What FallCorp. offers is the ability to allow a nation to dedicate its entire airforce to combat roles(this would in most cases triple at a minimum the combat capability of an airforce) while we do the logistics. You might be able to get a squadron anywhere in world in 8hours, but we can support an Airforce anywhere in the world indefinatley.
A Logistic Air Power.

Jager, you might need to keep in mind that to be an air power... You need a, y'know, air force.
Actually, you need also need well trained ground crews for maintenance, field engineers(combat engineers) for actually setting up say a runway in hostile enviorments(unless your pilots do this, with their planes).
You need SatCom up to the second intelligence, you need theatre surveilence, you need cooks to feed your pilots and ground crew, you need cargo planes to hual your gear(unless your airforce has redefined the term "multi-role fighter"). Actually a military with superior Logistical support has a clear advantage over just about anything else. What FallCorp. offers is the ability to allow a nation to dedicate its entire airforce to combat roles(this would in most cases triple at a minimum the combat capability of an airforce) while we do the logistics. You might be able to get a squadron anywhere in world in 8hours, but we can support an Airforce anywhere in the world indefinatley.
A Logistic Air Power.

You do realize almost all large nations have more than sufficient logistics and intelligence support, correct? I myself have close to 2000 support and transport aircraft, approaching 20 million support personnel, and extensive satellite communications and recon network. Most nations have similar, only scaled down or up depending on their size.

Also, you're not large enough to provide logistics support for most nations due to your size. If we were to devote our logistics forces to combat as you state, this would create two problems: 1) The need to train and equip millions of support personnel. 2) Horrendous logistics problems due to the forces no longer in use being replaced by a much smaller force.

Third, this is an alliance of air powers. Those with large, powerful air forces, or advanced air technology. Not logistics powers.

Thanks for clearing that up, Great Mateo...if you wish to join, we could still put it to a vote, although your lack of air force will be a severe hindrance.

Anywho, this thread will magically go up.

The Commonwealth of Granzi would like to join this alliance. We have recently moved into the field of naval aeronautics. (Just designed a couple new aircraft, links are at the old thread.)

Sure, sign up at the forums. Will approve soon as possible, but have to go now.

Fall, I've got logistics up the wazoo (An air force tends to include logistics. Most people do not have a separate force for logistics). I have aircraft that can carry 175 tons of cargo, a quick deploying satellite recon system. We have plenty of logistics personel (100 Support per 12 combat pilots, on average.).

Trust me, you're not an air power. If you can't defend what you claim to be the only nation in the world with good logistics without getting some other country to help, you're not a power. The first and foremost purpose of any military force is to kill things, anyone can supply their own military.

Bump, hopefully more of the Air Conference attendees will see this.

Sileetris has decided to decline its membership to this group at this time. We feel it is unnecessary and unsuited to our personal goals; as a non-confrontational nation we feel it would be a waste of our resources to deploy our forces in foreign wars of little consequence to us.

The Zoogie People,

Tarqysian air power consist of Skylift Command. This organization is dedicated to air lifting humanitarian relief, medical supplies and foreign aid to other nations (more information on our site, linked below). Our doctrine is not inclusive of 'air superiority.' As such, would Skylift Command (SkyCom) be a viable CAP agency?

General Amira 'Bishop' Onathorpe
Commander Skylift Command
Commonwealth of Tarqys

Skylift Command (http://www.geocities.com/tarqys/Skylift_Command.html)

OOC:See comments on Fallschrimjager. If you cannot kill, you aren't really a power.

OOC: First my nation isnt too small to handle the Logistics of any of these nations since I have nothing but Logistics personell and not in a voluntary military format but rather a multi coparation format.
Second and most obviously as I stated it would allow you to eliminate those personell who did serve in the combat role, reduce expenditures during peace time, and increase overall combat capability.
Third, your all absolutely right, my bad I wasnt really thinking. Logistical support is an essential part of airpower but it is NOT airpower in and of itself. Sorry to bother.

IC:FallCorp, officially apologizes for the blunder in the marketing department.

LAST CALL FOR AIR CONFERENCE ATTENDEES. (http://s7.invisionfree.com/council_ap/index.php?showtopic=46)

The Council of Air Powers charter is currently up for ratification by the other attendees of the Zoogiedom Air Conference. Anyone who is on the list on the front page that does not sign up for the forums and ratify the charter within 5 days will not receive Founding Member status and privleges.

New Empire,

While we do not possess the ability to kill we nonetheless have the power to move. Please provide a better definition. If by power you mean air superiority in the form of hostilities, then I supposed SkyCom would NOT fit under the jurisdiction of this new agency. If by power you mean the ability to affect national policy via air, we are quite capable as delivery of humanitarian relief, medical supplies and foreign aid can often determine where the host nation will 'end up,' so to speak, in the political arena.

We welcome your input. We are a legitimate and professional aerospace agency and in firm belief that we may be of service in this new agency.

General Amira 'Bishop' Onathorpe
Commander Skylift Command
Commonwealth of Tarqys

New Empire,

While we do not possess the ability to kill we nonetheless have the power to move. Please provide a better definition. If by power you mean air superiority in the form of hostilities, then I supposed SkyCom would NOT fit under the jurisdiction of this new agency. If by power you mean the ability to affect national policy via air, we are quite capable as delivery of humanitarian relief, medical supplies and foreign aid can often determine where the host nation will 'end up,' so to speak, in the political arena.

We welcome your input. We are a legitimate and professional aerospace agency and in firm belief that we may be of service in this new agency.

General Amira 'Bishop' Onathorpe
Commander Skylift Command
Commonwealth of Tarqys

OOC: I have 6 times as many logistics and support personnel and as you do military personnel. I'd be willing to say the same goes for equipment. You wouldn't be any major aid, and relying on other logistics forces creates problems that I have already mentioned before in this topic. And an air force is not comprised of just support and logistics any way; to be a true air power you must have a strong and well rounded air force, including both attack and support capabilities.

Great Mateo,

You make a great point and I do not wish to bring this any further but:

Skylift Command is NOT a logistics group. Our doctrine has nothing to do with moving personnel, equipment or technologies. We are a smaller group but we would be of aid because our primary mission objective is an international one - not a domestic one. Think of this as the Berlin Airlift operation of today.

Here is our informal doctrine.
http://www.geocities.com/tarqys/Skylift_Command.html

We have discussed with the creator of CAP and we have already been humbly told we are NOT an air power. My goal now is to save what little respect and pride we MAY have. We stand in respect of the might of the Mateo Air Force and do not wish to dishonor them in this reply post.

Regards and may you fly the bluest skies,

Gen Amira 'Bishop' Onathorpe
Commander Skylift Command
Commonwealth of Tarqys

Taggity for later...