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Dear International Leaders,

It has come to my attention as the President of the Confederation that the apalling number of orbital man-made junk has come to the point of insanity. So, intern, unless otherwise given one helluva good reason not to, the Member Republics of the Anagonian Confederation, including the Leadership Republic of Anagonia, shall and henceforth will activate all AA and Anti-Missile equipment to prepare for the launch of a good sized EMP Warhead.

This warhead was easily manufactured and chosen for the soul purpose of exposing the dominate weaknesses in technological efficiency, but soon chosen the role of Military Warhead in replacement for the Devastating Atomic and Hydrogen Warheads, save the Neutron of course.

This Warhead will launch into an medium orbital range to enable the blast radius of the EMP wave to effect both High and Low orbital ranges, as with the primary medium. Knowing that not all satellites will go down, it is good enough to show our tactical capabilities without endagering lives through Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Prepare your defenses, for even warhead will detonate away from the effective Orbital Defensive Weapons to enable a better chance of detonation.

you do know that an EMP wont do any physical damage...so i dont see the point of using it to destroy...junk...

Personally that is a bad idea. I have readied my defenses to take out that weapon before it destroys space satilites. If you want no communications and technology will surely crash, be my guest, but I am waiting.

Dear International Community,

Wait......your saying you BYPASSED ELECTRONICS!?!?!?!?

Ok......I'm getting dizzy.....we've been secluded for too long......so much has changed.....

What?!

EMP fries any Electronic Equipment! Your saying it cannot effect Satellites!?!? The only way thats possible is that......well.....some made a huge advancement in technology that we obviously missed....if not then we will find out....

Where the bloody hell do I say satelites are protected? I said that your thing would destroy them not be uneffected, I am trying to defend satilites!

Dear International Leaders,

It has come to my attention as the President of the Confederation that the apalling number of orbital man-made junk has come to the point of insanity. So, intern, unless otherwise given one helluva good reason not to, the Member Republics of the Anagonian Confederation, including the Leadership Republic of Anagonia, shall and henceforth will activate all AA and Anti-Missile equipment to prepare for the launch of a good sized EMP Warhead.

This warhead was easily manufactured and chosen for the soul purpose of exposing the dominate weaknesses in technological efficiency, but soon chosen the role of Military Warhead in replacement for the Devastating Atomic and Hydrogen Warheads, save the Neutron of course.

This Warhead will launch into an medium orbital range to enable the blast radius of the EMP wave to effect both High and Low orbital ranges, as with the primary medium. Knowing that not all satellites will go down, it is good enough to show our tactical capabilities without endagering lives through Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Prepare your defenses, for even warhead will detonate away from the effective Orbital Defensive Weapons to enable a better chance of detonation.

*bursts into laughter*

Show your tactical capabilities? Gee, this is most impressive.

*snicker*

Your missile would probably make it into the boost phase before Kelanis' SDI system obliterated it.

Ministry of Defense
Press Release

The Commonwealth strongly advises the government of Anagonia against their said intended course of action. Any damage caused to one of our satellites, or potential damage inflicted upon one of our EMP hardened satellites will be construed as an act of war. And given the clause in the Azazian Code of Military Conflict that states "advanced weaponry may especially be used in the self-defense or retaliation of similar advanced weaponry", the Commonwealth would be entitled by Azazian law to retaliate in a potentially similar fashion.

Every space orbital and non orbital we possess is EMP shielded, as is our ground based technology. EMP is no longer a viable weapon in the ways of war.

If you destroy our satalites, we'll have to find something nasty to do to you. And emp fries electronics, turning satalites into floating junk. Which means there will be even more junk. Which means your idea is one of the dumbest one's I've come upon. Not to mention that it seems like everyone's SDI's gonna fry your missile.

i dont doubt, that a single invasion into this 'Angonia' could out their EMP capabilities back into the dark age, although we will not invade unless they stop their ridiculous threat. Note the fact that I believe EMP would not make much of an impact, but i would prefer not to see Angonia destroyed by the countless nations that would see this as an act of war and most likely only send a small proportion of their armies at this foolish country (500thousand per country) this combined army would easily number in the 10's of billions and obliterate your nation. I beseech you, Angonia, to divert from this suicidal course of action before it is too late.

All space objects sent up by the EOL is thankfully EMP protected but any attack into the atmosphere that affects our satellites will be seen as an attack against the EOL and since this is a WMD a retaliatory strike of WMDs will result from the EOL upon Anagonia.

::hits Anagonia upside the head::

Boy!!! Now listen here and Listen good, stop tis idiocy now!!

Anagonia: Fine....can I still Role Play a Story Line?
Nodea Rudav: Sure.....I think...
OOC: Of course, you idiot....

Please do not launch the warhead. I would hate to have to do something retaliatory.
Every space orbital and non orbital we possess is EMP shielded, as is our ground based technology. EMP is no longer a viable weapon in the ways of war.All space objects sent up by the EOL is thankfully EMP protected but any attack into the atmosphere that affects our satellites will be seen as an attack against the EOL and since this is a WMD a retaliatory strike of WMDs will result from the EOL upon Anagonia.To EMP-proof your electronics, you would have to make them rather useless.

Please do not launch the warhead. I would hate to have to do something retaliatory.
Every space orbital and non orbital we possess is EMP shielded, as is our ground based technology. EMP is no longer a viable weapon in the ways of war.All space objects sent up by the EOL is thankfully EMP protected but any attack into the atmosphere that affects our satellites will be seen as an attack against the EOL and since this is a WMD a retaliatory strike of WMDs will result from the EOL upon Anagonia.To EMP-proof your electronics, you would have to make them rather useless.

Gold shielding...It's a great thing...We did this just "in case" of a nuclear detonation in the upper atmosphere.

Gold shielding...It's a great thing...We did this just "in case" of a nuclear detonation in the upper atmosphere.If there are any openings for sensors, cables, et cetera, it'll still get fried.

6 words that show how we can shield effectively: We Are A Future Tech Nation

6 words that show how we can shield effectively: We Are A Future Tech NationFuture Tech=/=Panacea

Anagonia, are you going to launch the warhead?

Nianacio, what did you mean by that? I'm confused.

Anyway, it would take quite a few large EMP weapons to destroy all the sattalites in orbit. Especially since some are probably going to be on the far side of the planet when you launch the missile.

Nianacio, what did you mean by that? I'm confused.I mean being a future tech nation doesn't solve everything; you still have to use things that will work.

<OOC>
Once more into the breach, dear friends ...

First and foremost, you should read this thread:

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68977&highlight=

Second, using EMP weapons will not destroy much of anything outside its immediate blast radius. It will damage unshielded electronics over a large area. Operating electronics such as radars and communications circuits (which must be unshielded to operate) will be overloaded far from the blast. Shielded circuits will be safe at fairly close range- by orbital standards. Say, farther than 100 kilometers.

Since the stated purpose of this idiocy was to remove "junk" from orbit, using an electromagnetic pulse weapon is completely counterproductive. Using explosives of any sort is a stupid way of removing orbital debris, because each explosion creates still more debris. You'll be creating more hazards to navigation, not less.

I usually try to avoid responding to this sort of nonsense, because it only encourages the writing of even more nonsense. Every so often, however, someone posts something that simply must be answered- despite the fact that it seems to have been written with a complete lack of factual information.

The originator of this thread is therefore assumed to be operating in his or her very own section of spacetime where the rules of physics do not apply, and will be ignored henceforth.
</OOC>

Nianacio, what did you mean by that? I'm confused.I mean being a future tech nation doesn't solve everything; you still have to use things that will work.

Thanks for clearing that up. :)

Do you really want to risk plinkling one of my satellites? I can have death and destruction raining down on your cities with pushes of many clearly labled buttons. After I completely ruin your country from afar, I can air insert a mechanized division in 5 days. In 10, I can have six divisions landing on your coast.


Rethink.

I can have death and destruction raining down on your cities with pushes of many clearly labled buttons.If you mean ICBMs or SLBMs, then I think not. ;)

I have coventionally armed ICBMs and SLBMs with warheads roughly equal to 800 tons of TNT. Plus, I can get my ships there pretty fast, and they have all sorts of stuff that goes boom.

I have coventionally armed ICBMs and SLBMs with warheads roughly equal to 800 tons of TNT.Conventional or not, I don't think they'd reach their targets.

Anagonia, do you have a coast?

Since many people have colonies up in space...I believe that launching an EMP into space to destroy (the more appropriate term to use is "to destroy") space "junk" would also have an effect on the life-support systems of said colonies...Therefore the end result would be the death of hundreds or thousands of men, women, and children...And escape pods would not be an excuse, their avionics and also their life-support would be fried...So if whats its name country launches an EMP...It is clearly an act of aggression against our nations...So invading whatever country he/she is, is justified...Unless we would like to some how forgive him for mercilessly slaughtering thousands of people in a idiotic and pointless move in destroying "space junk"

Gold shielding...It's a great thing...We did this just "in case" of a nuclear detonation in the upper atmosphere.If there are any openings for sensors, cables, et cetera, it'll still get fried.

It's a satellite so all openings are covered. Cameras have coverings and are only opened to take pictures. With that they are opened for only a few seconds at most. Sensors on the satellites respond to its surroundings. Any detection of any electrical field are detected at up to 2 miles. At that time it will allow for all doors to slam shut, taking on a fraction of a second.

Wow, this is just too funny. Shoot EMPs into space and knock out all the stuff in orbit? Somebody's forgetting to do their homework. There has to be dozens of anti-missile systems active at all times ready to take out your wimpy little warheads, and then you'd be promptly carpet-nuked into a nice piece of glass for doing such a thing. On second thought, go ahead and get yourself killed. We could use one less immature wanker who has to blow stuff up to feel good.

I forget. Is this guy trying to knock stuff out of orbit or destroy it?
If he's trying to clean the orbitr, an EMP will only mak more junk. If he's trying to destroy it, most of the satellites are EMP shielded and all an EMP will do anyway is turn them into paperweights.

So invading whatever country he/she is, is justified...Yes, but killing of his civilians is not.

Message from the Confederation Council, Anagonian Confederation

International Community,

This empty and obsolete threat came forth in an attempt to see the reaction and possible consequences introduced by Nations listening and hearing the transmission. Our final study and observation concludes that the World as Anagonia knows it, did know it so long ago, has changed only so much over the past decades. It is unbelievable of how many Nations consider the fact of some Nation being stupid enough to attempt and progenerate a scheme of this magnitude, if it ever had one, and furthermore go forth with it. The Anagonian Confederation has no intentions of causing the precious equipment in space, of which includes nothing belonging to the Confederation, for we know that most of it is needed for the Common Citizen to enjoy the Freedom and Independence such a Nation could provide in both Defense, Offense, Enjoyment, Entertainment, and so forth.

The Confederation Council has had several meetings pretaining to this situational test, and has concluded that the major, non-major, and regular to small Powers of this World are indeed prepared for another World War of Great Magnitude. It is safe to say that the empty threats we have produced were to initiate themselves, we would be obliterated off the face of this Earth. Concluding such also must come to the suprise ending that if the World were to gain a status of hatred or anger towards one another, it would be Armageddon.

In the End the Confederation Council has gained much from these studies and perhaps, in the future, may intiate more to gain more information on the capabilities and ways of a Nation unknown to the Confederation. The times and Decades the Anagonian Confederation has been idle from the World Scene were, as another added benefit, to the Major Good of the People living within these lands. For, if indeed we were in the World Scene, it would introduce needless stress to the People of the Confederation.

Thank you for your Time in the Participation of this Study.

*cough* *cough* lame...*cough* *cough* LAME...

think of a better excuse...hehe you got yourself into a hole you couldn't get out off

EMP fries any Electronic Equipment! Your saying it cannot effect Satellites!?!? The only way thats possible is that......well.....some made a huge advancement in technology that we obviously missed....if not then we will find out....

OOC: If you do that you will:

a) Hardly get any sattelites, the area where satelites orbit is bigger than the surface of the Earth, and the curvature will stop half of them getting hit regardless.

b) All you are likely to do is knock out YOUR OWN comms sattelites, while everyone else is mostly OK.

c) Make lots of people see you as a world security threat and attack you.

OR you could not participate in sad role plays..........

An elaborate excuse, Anagonia, but still not well crafted enough to cover up the fact you're just another n00b with nothing better to do with his time than come up with ways to get yourself killed, and then try vainly to pretend it was all a joke. It's not like you actually had to make a threat to find out that the majority of the nations in this community are prepared to blow each other to smithereens. A poor, poor excuse all the same. Furthermore, I wouldn't think so highly of myself to suppose that I could actually cause another World War. Nice try...wait, no it wasn't.

OOC: hmmmm, I think I'll invade anyways...just kidding

Niancio, TEO thanks for bringing logic and science to the "Ub3r 3MP Shielding" issue.

Angonia, better luck on your next plot line.